This Day in History . NGC

[oldbike54]

  What happened on this date in 1959 ?

  Dusty

[Daniel Kalal]

I took this shot at the cemetery in Lubbock (the spelling is correct--he spelled it differently on the records)

[rocker59]

  What happened on this date in 1959 ?

  Dusty

The music died.

Waylon lived.




 

[Guzzistajohn]

Don McLean got an idea for a huge hit tune that changed his life forever?

[cruzziguzzi]

One of my "unheralded" books in the other thread has an interesting look at the tragedy.

George is an interesting character with an insurance scam going as a tow truck driver in San Francisco. He gets a caddy to wreck and finds it was to be presented to "The Big Bopper" and just can't do it. Goes on a road trip to Texas and points north in a poorly planned tribute.

Todd.

[Chuck in Indiana]

I was a fan of Buddy Holly as only a teenager can be.  I was devastated. Can still do most of his songs, though, complete with hiccups.

[oldbike54]

I was a fan of Buddy Holly as only a teenager can be.  I was devastated. Can still do most of his songs, though, complete with hiccups.

 Buddy was the real king of R&R .

  Dusty

[giusto]

Buddy was the real king of R&R .

  Dusty

Dusty I am going to have to disagree with you here...I dearly love Buddy's music but there is only one King....he was there before and after and Buddy may never had had the chance without Presley...that said Elvis would not come along with out his predecessors...guit ar driven music from T-Bone Walker and before him Charlie Christian.
 Early Elvis at Sun Studios= untouchable

[oldbike54]

Dusty I am going to have to disagree with you here...I dearly love Buddy's music but there is only one King....he was there before and after and Buddy may never had had the chance without Presley...that said Elvis would not come along with out his predecessors...guit ar driven music from T-Bone Walker and before him Charlie Christian.
 Early Elvis at Sun Studios= untouchable

 Elvis never wrote or arranged a song . Even John Lennon understood that Buddy was the king . Yeah, Charley Christian , T-bone , and Bo Didley were pioneers , but they faded fast , Buddy was just getting started .

  Dusty

[giusto]

Elvis never wrote or arranged a song . Even John Lennon understood that Buddy was the king . Yeah, Charley Christian , T-bone , and Bo Didley were pioneers , but they faded fast , Buddy was just getting started .

  Dusty

Absolutely correct...even the tunes that Elvis was given (or took) credit for co-writing most likely weren't. But Buddy doesn't happen without Elvis. Song writing isn't everything in creating a music genre...look at Sinatra.
I miss fresh rock and roll.
Have a listen to George Bedard...https://youtu.be/jVnXdxrmF5w   “George Bedard & The Kingpins 3/3/12 Blind Pig, Ann Arbor MI you tube.
he still carries the torch with guys like Duke Robilliard. If you ever have the chance to see these guys you'll be glad you did...I grew up in Massapequa, NY...Brian Setzer lived 3 blocks away :)...he was fun to watch then...still is.

[wymple]

I was doing my 10th birthday when Holly died. My big sisters and all their friends had their walls, even their ceilings plastered with hundreds of pictures of Elvis. Outside of a couple songs, most of those girls could give a rats azz about Buddy Holly. Yes, he was influential, but not even close to the king.

[oldbike54]

I was doing my 10th birthday when Holly died. My big sisters and all their friends had their walls, even their ceilings plastered with hundreds of pictures of Elvis. Outside of a couple songs, most of those girls could give a rats azz about Buddy Holly. Yes, he was influential, but not even close to the king.

 I remember all of those Monkees posters a GF had on her walls also , didn't make them the king of anything  Buddy Holly has had more real long term influence on music than Elvis , who was kind of a media creation .

 Dusty

[giusto]

I remember all of those Monkees posters a GF had on her walls also , didn't make them the king of anything  Buddy Holly has had more real long term influence on music than Elvis , who was kind of a media creation .

 Dusty

 I respectfully and totally disagree. Early Elvis was totally groundbreaking and not media driven.
 Buddy Holly was a genius  and his death at 22 years old leaves us wondering where he could have brought music... Holly surely had a profound influence on music but was not there to create the genre of rock 'n' ...roll it had already been done for him....it that's why Elvis reigns ...there is only one king...Elvis

[Demar]

One of my "unheralded" books in the other thread has an interesting look at the tragedy.

George is an interesting character with an insurance scam going as a tow truck driver in San Francisco. He gets a caddy to wreck and finds it was to be presented to "The Big Bopper" and just can't do it. Goes on a road trip to Texas and points north in a poorly planned tribute.

Todd.

What book is this?

[Daniel Kalal]

you guys crack me up;  this argument's been done before...

"Rock'n Roll's been going downhill ever since Buddy Holly died."

- John Milner

[Dilliw]

I remember all of those Monkees posters a GF had on her walls also , didn't make them the king of anything  Buddy Holly has had more real long term influence on music than Elvis , who was kind of a media creation .

 Dusty

If it's influence on music then James Brown or George Clinton had a bigger impact than Buddy. 

As for the Monkees, there was talent there and who knows if it didn't influence the backup band to form their own:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSgB338VfIs&list=RDPSgB338VfIs#t=0

[Arizona Wayne]

How old are you rock & roll know it alls?  I'm, 73 and was 12 when Elvis hit the big time(`55). I have lived thru the whole rock & roll era before it ended with the current crapola that's called "music".     Buddy Holly was big when he was alive but Elvis is the King !!   

[rocker59]

If you want an indication of who was influenced by Buddy Holly, and how far his influence went, it's worth watching "The Real Buddy Holly Story", a documentary hosted by Paul McCartney.

It's in ten parts on YouTube.  Here's the first one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSDMRjBjKIg

[Guzzistajohn]

Granted, I wasn't there like some of you geezers but in the early days it was rockabilly not rock and roll. Carl Perkins recorded blue suede shoes at Sun Records before Elvis. John Lennon said there would be no Beatles without Carl Perkins. Not trying to steal Buddy's thunder, he was great but Carl was a huge influence in the early days of rockabilly.

[rocker59]

Granted, I wasn't there like some of you geezers but in the early days it was rockabilly not rock and roll. Carl Perkins recorded blue suede shoes at Sun Records before Elvis. John Lennon said there would be no Beatles without Carl Perkins. Not trying to steal Buddy's thunder, he was great but Carl was a huge influence in the early days of rockabilly.

Watch the video I linked.  Take the time to watch all ten.

it's pretty badass.

[oldbike54]

 Carl was certainly a pioneer , no argument there . My take is this . Elvis was the king of media , Buddy was the king of R&R . Elvis was photogenic in a way that Buddy never was , so all the teenage girls adored him . Buddy had to make it on raw talent , Elvis just had to smolder and swivel his hips .

 Dusty

[rocker59]

Carl was certainly a pioneer , no argument there . My take is this . Elvis was the king of media , Buddy was the king of R&R . Elvis was photogenic in a way that Buddy never was , so all the teenage girls adored him . Buddy had to make it on raw talent , Elvis just had to smolder and swivel his hips .

 Dusty

Keep in mind that Buddy's "career" spanned 2-years.  Only a couple of albums.

Buddy was influenced and inspired by Elvis, when The King played a gig in Lubbock that Buddy attended.  Had Buddy lived another 20-years, as Elvis did, he would've followed a similar path into pop.  Buddy was extremely talented, and very motivated.

Some of you guys are taking a lot away from the Elvis of '55-'58.  He was knocking down doors all over the country.  He could play several instruments and knew how to arrange a song.  Though most of his later career was covering pop songs, and he never wrote any songs, he was a very talented entertainer. 

[oldbike54]

Keep in mind that Buddy's "career" spanned 2-years.  Only a couple of albums.

Buddy was influenced and inspired by Elvis, when The King played a gig in Lubbock that Buddy attended.  Had Buddy lived another 20-years, as Elvis did, he would've followed a similar path into pop.  Buddy was extremely talented, and very motivated.

Some of you guys are taking a lot away from the Elvis of '55-'58.  He was knocking down doors all over the country.  He could play several instruments and knew how to arrange a song.  Though most of his later career was covering pop songs, and he never wrote any songs, he was a very talented entertainer.

 Never said Elvis wasn't talented , as are Madonna and Lady Ga Ga .

 Dusty

[Guzzistajohn]

Let's not forget that little hottie Wanda Jackson the 1st female rockabilly singer!

[Demar]

Feb. 04, 1945  Yalta Conference

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yalta_Conference

[oldbike54]

Feb. 04, 1945  Yalta Conference

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yalta_Conference

 Which in the grand scheme of things is much more important , unless you are poking fun at us ...

  Dusty

[Demar]

Which in the grand scheme of things is much more important , unless you are poking fun at us ...

  Dusty

Not poking fun at all. Just saw it on MSN and thought I'd keep the "This Day in History" theme going.

[oldbike54]

Not poking fun at all. Just saw it on MSN and thought I'd keep the "This Day in History" theme going.

 I'm all for that .

 Dusty

[Guzzistajohn]

Nice of the old boys to try to put Europe back together again. Thanks for the history lesson.

[mjptexas]

I took this shot at the cemetery in Lubbock (the spelling is correct--he spelled it differently on the records)

So, I had the dubious honor of playing a New Year's Eve gig on the same stage (Surf Ballroom in Clear Lake, Iowa) where Buddy made his last appearance (albeit many years later, and to a much smaller crowd).