Author Topic: Help: 2003 California stopped, won't go (Read 9836 times)

Mr Revhead · « **on:** February 06, 2016, 07:09:05 PM »

Hi, I'm in need of some help
I have a 2003 Cali EV
It stopped today, was in 1st gear slowly approaching stopped traffic. It went out like It have been turned off.
Will crank but not fire.
Can hear fuel pump when key turned on
All fuses checked and swapped some around to check
Relays click with power etc swapped positions to see if that helped, nope.
Oil pressure light does NOT light up when key turned on? But can short the sender and light comes on
Only the neutral light come son with key

Any hints or anyone had this before?

oldbike54 · « **Reply #1 on:** February 06, 2016, 07:20:14 PM »

Neutral safety switch maybe ?

Dusty

Mr Revhead · « **Reply #2 on:** February 06, 2016, 07:21:24 PM »

Does that not prevent the starter cranking? It cranks. Also would that prevent the oil pressure light working?

Chuck in Indiana · « **Reply #3 on:** February 06, 2016, 07:23:52 PM »

How about the fuel line coming loose in the tank? Open the cap, take a look while you turn the ignition on. See some swirling?

oldbike54 · « **Reply #4 on:** February 06, 2016, 07:24:39 PM »

Quote from: Mr Revhead on February 06, 2016, 07:21:24 PM

Does that not prevent the starter cranking? It cranks. Also would that prevent the oil pressure light working?

Don't know on an '03 . Probably not . I was actually trying to say sidestand switch . Kiwi Roy where are you ?

Dusty

guzzisteve · « **Reply #5 on:** February 06, 2016, 07:26:15 PM »

Could be a bad ign switch, got head & tail lights?

Mr Revhead · « **Reply #6 on:** February 06, 2016, 07:26:50 PM »

Quote from: Chuck in Indiana on February 06, 2016, 07:23:52 PM

How about the fuel line coming loose in the tank? Open the cap, take a look while you turn the ignition on. See some swirling?

I'll looked, do you see movement? Pump acts normal though, whirrs for a second or two and stops, just like it would normally. And also there's the oil light..
Pulling the tank off is on the list to check that hose though. But it really seems electric to me

Mr Revhead · « **Reply #7 on:** February 06, 2016, 07:28:31 PM »

Quote from: guzzisteve on February 06, 2016, 07:26:15 PM

Could be a bad ign switch, got head & tail lights?

All lights etc as per normal other than oil pressure light

Cam3512 · « **Reply #8 on:** February 06, 2016, 07:30:06 PM »

Your fuel line popped off the filter on the pump inside the tank.

Mr Revhead · « **Reply #9 on:** February 06, 2016, 07:32:21 PM »

Ok, that is on the list to check. Probably soon then!

So the oil pressure light is a fluke that it started acting like that at the exact same time?
The bike had been running maybe 5 mins and when I started it the oil light was as per normal

guzzisteve · « **Reply #10 on:** February 06, 2016, 07:34:04 PM »

Have you pulled a spark plug, ground to fins and checked for spark?

Mr Revhead · « **Reply #11 on:** February 06, 2016, 08:14:33 PM »

Yes, just now. Had spark.

Off with the tank then

Mr Revhead · « **Reply #12 on:** February 06, 2016, 09:10:07 PM »

Got the tank off. Was a lot of fuel in the exit line and ran out of the pump. Doesn't suggest an issue inside the tank.
I can see fuel in the line that runs down to the injectors, when cranking that level doesn't alter.
I have just found a tiny sewing needle feed into a wire in the back of one of the injectors.....

Also going back to the spark plugs, when I had one out I gave it a good crank and sniffed the plug hole, no sigh of gas.
The plugs look like they been running very lean to me

guzzisteve · « **Reply #13 on:** February 06, 2016, 09:24:30 PM »

You will always have fuel in lines even w/o pressure. I would plug the wire back up and see if the elbow squirts. Get a catch bucket & don't smoke.
Kind of dangerous but you'll know for sure.

Wayne Orwig · « **Reply #14 on:** February 06, 2016, 09:30:43 PM »

Sounds like a fuel line off the pump inside the tank.
The oil pressure switch is just a 'bonus' to add confusion.

Mr Revhead · « **Reply #15 on:** February 06, 2016, 09:33:33 PM »

I've just cut the end off the hose and put the connector back on and am about to put the tank back on to see if that made a difference but I doubt that was it.

I called the previous owner, the needle was for setting the TPS, it wasn't an injector it was in, my mistake.
He's had the internal fuel pump pipe come off another of his bikes and he reckons that's easy to diagnose as the pump doesn't stop trying to prime. Which is what I thought would happen. My pump is priming normally.

I'm leaning towards the injectors not firing. There's fuel as far as the injectors. And plenty of fuel coming out of the pump.
Unfortunately I am not very good with electrics so testing injectors isn't something I know how to do.

guzzisteve · « **Reply #16 on:** February 06, 2016, 09:48:00 PM »

Never seen both injectors at the same time stop, unless the line came off.

If you had software you could run ea one separately.

Mr Revhead · « **Reply #17 on:** February 06, 2016, 09:51:56 PM »

Where do you get this software.... and what hardware does it need? A laptop?

Looking at the wiring Diagram, the pump and both injectors all get power on the same circuit. So can't be that.
Unless the ECU has died :/

oldbike54 · « **Reply #18 on:** February 06, 2016, 09:55:33 PM »

Can you hear the electric petcock going clack ?

Dusty

Mr Revhead · « **Reply #19 on:** February 06, 2016, 09:56:13 PM »

My understanding is with an internal fuel pump like this there is no petcock

guzzisteve · « **Reply #20 on:** February 06, 2016, 10:00:07 PM »

Laptop, set of $25 cables, and download GuzziDiag

Mr Revhead · « **Reply #21 on:** February 06, 2016, 10:05:39 PM »

Will add to my must get list...

Just reading the manual, it lists "oil temperature sensor" as one of the parts of the EFI system. And the picture points to the sensor that when shorted activates the light on the dash.
Yet when you do that, it still wont start.

guzzisteve · « **Reply #22 on:** February 06, 2016, 10:23:49 PM »

If you have fuel pressure you will smell gas on the plugs after you crank it. You will always have gas in the line from gravity feed.
If the pump does not run and prime and then shut off(after reaching 3 bar pressure) the line came off in the tank.

Mr Revhead · « **Reply #23 on:** February 06, 2016, 10:31:38 PM »

The fuel pump runs for a few seconds and stops, just like it would normally.

However seeing as the tank was off I thought might as well look as it's been suggested the plastic filters can fail so maybe it was restricting it? Filter is ok, it's been swapped for a metal one.

That assembly is a PRICK to remove when that hose has come off and is sticking out....

Yes, the fuel line was off. SO, lesson learned is even if the pump sounds normal, it can still be the fuel line.

Will get a new piece this week and replace.

Thanks fort the help guys, I appreciate it.

fotoguzzi · « **Reply #24 on:** February 06, 2016, 10:36:20 PM »

kill switch?

oldbike54 · « **Reply #25 on:** February 06, 2016, 10:39:23 PM »

Quote from: fotoguzzi on February 06, 2016, 10:36:20 PM

kill switch?

He found a fuel line off Brad .

Dusty

guzzisteve · « **Reply #26 on:** February 06, 2016, 10:44:03 PM »

Glad you got sorted. Make sure it's submergable hose, should cost bout $21 a ft

Mr Revhead · « **Reply #27 on:** February 06, 2016, 10:47:36 PM »

Quote from: fotoguzzi on February 06, 2016, 10:36:20 PM

kill switch?

Been caught by that a couple of times!

CHeers Steve, yes will be off to local hose experts I deal with through work and getting some quality fuel submersible stuff and stainless clamps

oldbike54 · « **Reply #28 on:** February 06, 2016, 10:48:16 PM »

Quote from: guzzisteve on February 06, 2016, 10:44:03 PM

Glad you got sorted. Make sure it's submergable hose, should cost bout $21 a ft

Steve knows his Guzzis , he gets the cookie

Dusty

Chuck in Indiana · « **Reply #29 on:** February 07, 2016, 05:52:56 AM »

Quote from: oldbike54 on February 06, 2016, 10:48:16 PM

Steve knows his Guzzis , he gets the cookie

Dusty

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How about the fuel line coming loose in the tank? Open the cap, take a look while you turn the ignition on. See some swirling?

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