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Re: Another downturn in motorcye sales?
« Reply #30 on: February 09, 2016, 03:00:50 PM »
$28 a barrel oil is having a serious impact on the economy here not to mention the impact on all the oil producing and oil service companies. I can't see toy sales being very strong for quite some time.

On the one hand, in Houston, the layoffs are there in the extraction part of the oil business, but it is booming in the refinery segment of the industry.
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Re: Another downturn in motorcye sales?
« Reply #31 on: February 09, 2016, 03:00:59 PM »
I see the sales decline as more of a problem with young people not being interested.  Lets face it, the "Millenials" would rather spend $1000 on a Smart phone and play video games than go for a motorcycle ride.  Cars are merely an appliance, like a toaster for them. Turn the key and go. Motorcycles don't keep you warm and dry and insurance is expensive and it is a PIA answering texts while riding.  Go to a car or MC show and look at the audience.  Chances are the average age is 50 plus.  Same problem with tall the toy type sports like boats, planes etc.  Diminishing market due to lack of interest.  Plan on keeping your toys because there won't be many prospective buyers in the future.

Agree, if you're riding a bike you can`t play with your iPhone and look at the newest youtube video that has gone viral :thumb:

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« Reply #32 on: February 09, 2016, 03:05:34 PM »
I agree.  Short-term.  A natural slow-down in an election year.  People are unsure every four years and curtail spending.  After the election, people will rise and see the sky has not fallen, and they'll be looser with their checkbooks.

Long-term?  I think that long-term, recreational motorsports will suffer as the baby-boomers age out.  Boats, RVs, Quads, Motorcycles, etc.  It has been the baby-boomers who have driven the RV market, and the generations behind them just don't spend as much on toys.

Not on motor toys, but plenty on phone toys and the cost of gigs of downloading. It`s easy to spend $500 a month in the blink of an "open it"  keystroke

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Re: Another downturn in motorcye sales?
« Reply #33 on: February 09, 2016, 03:05:52 PM »
Low oil prices have been a boon to me. Not too long ago I put over 50 bux in the tank of my MINI cooper. (!) Filled up the van the other day for under $15. That's real money I can use for discretionary spending. AVgas is even falling, although there's only one manufacturer. It was killing my soul to pay $5.50/$7.50 a gallon. (!) That will help general aviation businesses.
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Re: Another downturn in motorcye sales?
« Reply #34 on: February 09, 2016, 03:06:54 PM »
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But the vintage market is alive and will continue to do well, thanks in part to millennials like me :)

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« Reply #35 on: February 09, 2016, 03:09:46 PM »
Low oil prices have been a boon to me. Not too long ago I put over 50 bux in the tank of my MINI cooper. (!) Filled up the van the other day for under $15. That's real money I can use for discretionary spending. AVgas is even falling, although there's only one manufacturer. It was killing my soul to pay $5.50/$7.50 a gallon. (!) That will help general aviation businesses.

Not really, there is as much interest in flying as riding bikes from the current generation. One of the reasons we have a pilot shortage.

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Re: Another downturn in motorcye sales?
« Reply #36 on: February 09, 2016, 03:13:56 PM »
Biz is good in Portland. Bike sales are strong.
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Re: Another downturn in motorcye sales?
« Reply #37 on: February 09, 2016, 03:40:52 PM »
Not on motor toys, but plenty on phone toys and the cost of gigs of downloading. It`s easy to spend $500 a month in the blink of an "open it"  keystroke

As well as motorcycling, I see a huge decline in participation in equestrian events (horse shows, trail riding), and in dog events (field trials, bird hunting).

Same story for horses and dogs that it is for motorcycles.  Huge decline in participation with very few newer/younger participants.  As older folks age out, they're not being replaced with younger newcomers.  There just aren't any.

I'll be attending a national championship bird dog field trial this weekend and will be among the youngest in attendance.  And one of the few spectators. 
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Re: Another downturn in motorcye sales?
« Reply #38 on: February 09, 2016, 06:14:10 PM »
Not really, there is as much interest in flying as riding bikes from the current generation. One of the reasons we have a pilot shortage.

Well you have a choice for recreational flying you can fork out an extraordinary amount of money for a cespit or similar which has precisely zero development since about 1960 something is no faster than driving, certainly no more convenient and will cost more. Or you can put your whole life in hock bust your rear in a very competitive environment for less than what a bus driver earns to eventually work your way into supervising a machine that will fly you around the world which if you start to operate it yourself the corporate masters will frown upon you. Pilotless planes are now a thing how long before the airlines decide we no longer need to be paying for two people to supervise something that can do the job way better than they ever hope to. Aviation has been in a race to the bottom for about 40 years, at some point it will reach it.

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Re: Another downturn in motorcye sales?
« Reply #39 on: February 09, 2016, 06:18:31 PM »
As well as motorcycling, I see a huge decline in participation in equestrian events (horse shows, trail riding), and in dog events (field trials, bird hunting).

Same story for horses and dogs that it is for motorcycles.  Huge decline in participation with very few newer/younger participants.  As older folks age out, they're not being replaced with younger newcomers.  There just aren't any.



I don't see much of a decline in the Hunter/Jumper world.  Just the opposite. It's a different world in that world.
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« Reply #40 on: February 09, 2016, 06:55:23 PM »
Let the young folks have their tech toys and metropolitan jungles...I'm going to the desert with my internal combustion engines, my tools, and cache some dinosaur juice and live like Mad Max
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Re: Another downturn in motorcye sales?
« Reply #41 on: February 09, 2016, 07:07:08 PM »
Just drive by a local high school and see how many MC's are parked in the student parking area.  When I was in highschool in the 60's and 70's there would be in in excess of 20 bikes.  Today, same school. None.
Parents drive their kid everywhere.  Family's have 2 or more cars.  When I was growing up, one car and dad had it at work.  Man, the memory of freedom and independence when I bought that CB175 Honda for $300 in 1971.  Today, they would rather call UBER to get somewhere.  Yes, there are exceptions to every trend but overall I think todays youth couldn't give a care about bikes.

By the 80's there were none in the parking lot, at least in Eastern LI, NY.

Yet I grew up with a desire and have pumped some not insignificant cash into the industry.

<shrugs>

I think mc ownership may have largely shifted to older buyers, and I don't mean 40's or 50's, but maybe just not teens. Perhaps the age at which people enter the market has shifted a decade or so, to a point where non-practical motorcycle (toy) ownership is more financially feasible.

Kids today are staring at much larger student loan debt and arguably more expensive cars and insurance. And bikes just aren't necessarily the practical (cheaper) solution anymore.
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Re: Another downturn in motorcye sales?
« Reply #42 on: February 09, 2016, 07:46:06 PM »
I don't see much of a decline in the Hunter/Jumper world.  Just the opposite. It's a different world in that world.

Yes.  I have family who have a teenaged eventer daughter.  Definitely a different world. 
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Re: Another downturn in motorcye sales?
« Reply #43 on: February 09, 2016, 08:38:31 PM »
$28 a barrel oil is having a serious impact on the economy here not to mention the impact on all the oil producing and oil service companies. I can't see toy sales being very strong for quite some time.

It should be mean lots of consumers with more money to spend rather than buying gas and utilities.  So bad for the oil patch but better for the rest of the country, especially for travel and vacations. 
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« Reply #44 on: February 09, 2016, 09:54:32 PM »
Low gas means more cigarettes, beer and lottery tickets.  I'm not convinced real fiscally responsible consumers spend any differently.
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« Reply #45 on: February 09, 2016, 10:37:32 PM »
Low gas means more cigarettes, beer and lottery tickets.  I'm not convinced real fiscally responsible consumers spend any differently.

I'm spending my fuel savings this weekend on a hotel suite, rather than camping in 30-degree weather.

Previously, the trip would cost $150 in fuel.  This weekend it will cost $50-$60.  I'm going to use the $100 savings to upgrade our accomodations.  So Wyndham will get the money rather than Murphy or Flying J.

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« Reply #46 on: February 09, 2016, 10:51:44 PM »
Well you have a choice for recreational flying you can fork out an extraordinary amount of money for a cespit or similar which has precisely zero development since about 1960 something is no faster than driving, certainly no more convenient and will cost more. Or you can put your whole life in hock bust your rear in a very competitive environment for less than what a bus driver earns to eventually work your way into supervising a machine that will fly you around the world which if you start to operate it yourself the corporate masters will frown upon you. Pilotless planes are now a thing how long before the airlines decide we no longer need to be paying for two people to supervise something that can do the job way better than they ever hope to. Aviation has been in a race to the bottom for about 40 years, at some point it will reach it.

Absolutely, pilotless airplanes will be coming. Airline executives despise us pilots since we still hold some power. Pilotless airplanes will not have a Union to ruin lining their pockets full of cash also.

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« Reply #47 on: February 09, 2016, 11:36:15 PM »
I'm spending my fuel savings this weekend on a hotel suite, rather than camping in 30-degree weather.

Being that it is Valentines weekend......Even high gas prices would not keep you away from a nice room!    :wink: 
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« Reply #48 on: February 10, 2016, 12:03:11 AM »
When I started on bikes in 1964 cars were prohibitively expensive, one had to have overseas funds in order to purchase a new car. Second hand cars often sold for more than new because Joe blogs simply did not have overseas funds; to get a car it was certainly a seller's market.

A young dude looking to get mobile was effectively pushed in to getting on two wheels. I suspect that many on this forum are like me and fell in love with motorbikes as a result. I look forward to any sort of bike ride; driving in a car, well, no. A means to an end.

Times changed out here an in an effort (which worked) to get old dungers off the road the government allowed the import of 2nd hand cars from Japan. Suddenly a struggling family could still have a reasonable car, but also, young people could get a car cheaper than a bike. My 2003 Guzzi cost more than The Princesses' 2008 1500cc Suzuki Swift! The millenials therefore did not need to be exposed to the  elements when dating the latest squeeze, they went straight to four wheels and consequently did not get the exposure to the joys of two wheels. Lets face it, why freeze in winter, get wet when it rains and slide along the ground in the first patch of oil you hit when you can be snug and warm in your air conditioned tin box? Most therefore, just do not "get" motorcycling.

We are all getting older, and that I think is why the pool of potential buyers is getting smaller.

I really was encouraged by Pittsburgh's comments. There are still some younger ones out there that still enjoy the wind in their face! :thumb:
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Re: Another downturn in motorcye sales?
« Reply #49 on: February 10, 2016, 04:33:28 AM »
In Texas you can't get a m/c license until you are 17 and pass the tests. By then you have a car or pick up truck and bikes are not thought off. I bought my first bike, a 1961 Harley 74 when I was 16. It was in my name and I had insurance. Now insurance for a teenager is almost prohibitive. I can't remember if I've ever seen a cycle at the Lindale high school parking lot and I go by it every day.

If the economy is bad why is every professional football game sold out? Yet, I hear 30 to 50 bucks is too much for a Guzzi rally.

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« Reply #50 on: February 10, 2016, 06:38:18 AM »
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I can't remember if I've ever seen a cycle at the Lindale high school parking lot and I go by it every day.

I graduated from a high school of around 800 students in 73. I remember about three motorcycles at the school on any regular basis. The largest HS I worked last year had a bit over 600 students. Regularly one Sportster, a handful of sport bikes and and a few scooters. So actually quite a bit more than when I was in HS. I would regularly get compliments on my Norge from kids at school.
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« Reply #51 on: February 10, 2016, 07:02:00 AM »
The motorcycle industry actually does very little to foster younger people riding motorcycles. There are ads in some magazines they don't read, stores where there are more used care sale people than motorcyclists and a don't do this or that society.

What there isn't and hasn't been for decades is something like the movie "On any Sunday". I remember going to that movie by which time I already had a Scorpion mini-bike. The thing had disk brakes, a real suspension and torque converter transmission, not one of those centrifugal clutch jobs. I was able to ride the fire roads in Jersey.

One day I came upon a couple of guys riding Yamaha dirt bikes, 125s. I proudly proclaimed mine was a 172cc 4 stroke. They must have laughed inward as there was this 8 year old on a lawn mower engined mini-bike who thought he had something. They didn't mind though, I was riding and we had something in common.

There was no I have this and if you don't then what you have doesn't qualify to be on the same road as me. It was all good. Far cry from what you see now.

But back to the industry. Where are the sponsored movies, something other than a Tom Cruise performing tricks that make you  :rolleyes:?

That one movie did more to attract and get people to good about motorcycles and motorcycling than anything else. How many kids begged their parents for a first minibike or small motorcycle after they saw that and how many parents looked at them differently as well?

In its place we have YouTube where a typical video is some faceless person riding a motorcycle evades cops as they race down the streets at 100+mph.

In the last decade, some cities have nearly completely redesigned their roads to accommodate bicycles to the point they have their own lanes and cars have to stay 3 feet away from them yet a motorcyclist has to pay over $5 to cross a bridge?

We need another "On any Sunday" event which is what that was, an event more than a movie. Something where the idea of riding a motorcycle means.more than some brand coveting fetish is last and in general, motorcycling is first and more important.

HD owners are laughed at because they often buy into the whole single and dangle accessorized outfit thing and many of them don't ride farther than a Starbucks but the truth is that HD has done more than anyone to keep motorcycling alive in the years since 1995 than everyone else combined.

The proof is in their sales. You can't sell your wares if you don't embrace new customers and that means more than just taking their money at bike purchase time . It means more than telling them how good your bikes are but also being there to make sure they are.

The industry has the means to do far more than sit back and mimic an overpriced jewelry store mentality, they could really change perceptions, if they wanted to and with that spark just one s generation to see motorcycles as something to experience.

It happened before, it could happen again.

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« Reply #52 on: February 10, 2016, 07:20:09 AM »
My feeling the problem is the major decline in areas that kids can ride a dirt bike on their own.Lets face it, probably 90% of us started out in the dirt honing are skills and love of two wheels.

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« Reply #53 on: February 10, 2016, 07:27:39 AM »
I will also say...
I work at a motorcycle accessory and gear shop, and I have taken the time to notice age trends. It is split exactly down the middle; every age group, every class of person, every walk of life comes in and they all ride. BUT... it "seems" as though the younger crowd (most of my peers) tend to gravitate towards dirt and quad... meaning, they have their little 125 at the campground that they like to toss around, they probably don't have any interest in going to a dealer to purchase a new bike (street or dirt), and they drive their jacked-up pickup to school. They still love bikes, but it's a weekend thing rather than a way of life (like it is for me). The middle-aged and older crowd seem to more appreciate their street bikes. Now, this is a generalization, and both crowds appreciate both worlds. But this is the pattern that I've picked up on, and it might have something to do with our perception of how the "motorcycling industry" is doing. Again, it's still here, and there are still 24 year olds like me who are obsessively passionate about two-wheeled machines and what they bring to our lives. But there are a lot of niches and nooks & crannies in the market that some of the younger crowd are filtering into. 

Also, when I was at Cleveland Moto signing for my V7 Classic, out of all the people who walked in and out of the dealer that whole day, want to know how many of them were remotely close to my age? One. Younger guy, probably barely 20, his father buying him a Royal Enfield. It was brilliant, but really spoke of the kind of crowd that Guzzi attracts. I just think a lot of the kids were at the Kawasaki dealer, wheeling and dealing on dirt throwers and tear-offs ;) I guess they'd rather spend money on weekend dirt bikes than Italian hand-made, small-block beauties  :violent1:
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« Reply #54 on: February 10, 2016, 07:56:00 AM »
Quote from Texas Turnip:
I graduated from a high school of around 800 students in 73. I remember about three motorcycles at the school on any regular basis. The largest HS I worked last year had a bit over 600 students. Regularly one Sportster, a handful of sport bikes and and a few scooters. So actually quite a bit more than when I was in HS. I would regularly get compliments on my Norge from kids at school.
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I graduated from the same size HS in 72. There was one motorcycle there then, and there is none there now. HS seniors today are stressing over how to pay for college, they're not paying for toys out of their college funds.

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« Reply #55 on: February 10, 2016, 08:03:41 AM »
My feeling the problem is the major decline in areas that kids can ride a dirt bike on their own.Lets face it, probably 90% of us started out in the dirt honing are skills and love of two wheels.

Agree. And the roads here in the NY/NJ/CT metro area are overcrowded with people driving 85 in a 60 or 65 zone because they moved to the suburbs and have a 3 hour round trip commute to and from the city.

When my son was young, we rode dirt bikes together. He was very skilled and fearless. He had a great time. When he was old enough for a drivers license, we had a talk about motorcycles, in case he wanted one. (My "rules" were no crotch rockets, less than 100HP for first bike, and it had to have ABS) Guess what? He told me that our area's roads were just too crazy for him to enjoy street riding and he said "no thanks."  Maybe they're making kids smarter now than when we were made....

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Re: Another downturn in motorcye sales?
« Reply #56 on: February 10, 2016, 08:07:55 AM »
Low gas means more cigarettes, beer and lottery tickets.  I'm not convinced real fiscally responsible consumers spend any differently.

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Re: Another downturn in motorcye sales?
« Reply #57 on: February 10, 2016, 08:29:19 AM »
In 1964, when I left high school, our cars only had a heater.  We grew up riding around with mom or pop driving and the windows down, lots of wind in the back seat, cold sometimes but just right in front where the wind did not hit you.

So, it was not that big a stretch to mount a MC and ride with no windscreen.  I rode a hilander scooter to high school and trade school across the river.  My first car was a used 1956 chevy V8 265.  My uncle helped with the purchase, he got a great deal for $395. There were no smart phones or GPS devices.

I was very much influenced by other MC riders going to school, but my dad would not let me have one while under his roof.  Too dangerous and we didn't have the money anyway. 

I watched a guy ride to school, most mornings he would pass the bus I was on.  He had a nice clean blue and white Triumph Cub 200cc, but he could wheelie it at will it seemed.  An older brother to a classmate up the road, had a cushman eagle, and his neighbor had a HD with pull back bars (sportster probably), and wore a black leather jacket.  I watched these guys come an go while I was growing up, walking to school, or riding my bicycle.

I worked on my Dad and Mom to get a MC, but the dude with the cushman eagle had a wreck one night, hit a big pot hole in the dark and put him in the hospital for a few days.  This ended my hopes and his younger brothers hopes of ever getting a MC while at home.
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Re: Another downturn in motorcye sales?
« Reply #58 on: February 10, 2016, 08:53:36 AM »
Sure, a few people in a few regions are being negatively impacted by the low oil prices.  However, most people benefit from low oil and gasoline prices, and end up with more money in their pocket.

Right now it's costing me about $37 to fill up my Suburban.  At the peak a few years ago, I had a few $100 fill-ups.

That $63 savings per fill-up is money in my pocket that I can spend on other things, helping other parts of the economy.

There is no oil industry within 100+ miles of me, so no one here has been negatively affected by the collapse of oil prices, but we've all benefitted from the savings that cheaper gasoline prices have given us.  Which will improve our economy by allowing dollars to flow to someone besides Exxon/Mobil, Conocco/Phillips, and Shell...

I agree with Rocker59.  Certainly I'm not schooled in economics, but that said, I like the analogy of a flowing river vs a stagnant pond.  If money/goods/services isn't 'flowing' through the greater economy it gets stagnant... too much in one place and not flowing freely... and the greater economy suffers.  The oil industry has had a good 100+ year run and has changed the world, arguably made it a better place.  But maybe its time to 'let it flow'.

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Re: Another downturn in motorcye sales?
« Reply #59 on: February 10, 2016, 10:20:05 AM »
Another factor, in the old days, you could go to the dealer and get a brochure on a bike, and take it home pin it up on your wall, and start saving your money to maybe get one some day.

Now, we just go to the internet and read forums about bikes of interest, then to YT to get the latest reviews from people that actually own one.  The local dealer is not used unless you wish to see a bike in the flesh.

New bikes coming freezes people to wait for the newest and latest, and if you wait long enough, your likes and dislikes may change to another newer and greater.

Example, we have absolutely no electric bikes in my area that I know of or have seen, but due to the info on the internet, I know a electric bike won Pikes Peak this year.  I can also view videos on YT of them, this causes me to pause when I think of buying another IC, say a 690 Duke. 

I think this causes more bikes to be left on the showroom floor over time.  I have never seen so many bikes (all makes and models) being stranded at the dealers for so long.
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