I'm Jonesing for a ride on the v9...Under 10K!!!$$$

[jas67]

Thanks for posting those pics, Dogwalker!  The Roamer is growing on me, but I'm really digging the blacked out pipes on the yellow stone in the corner.  Hope it's not just tape.  If they'd put the V9 engine in that, I'd have my second Guzzi.

They  will next year.

[pete roper]

The engine and gearbox need to go into a modern version of the Ippo and a 'Nuovo NTX'. Once the dreary 'Retro' trend is consigned to the dustbin of history where it belongs they could build an exciting little motorbike to compete with the small capacity offerings from the likes of Honda and Kawasaki. At the moment they seem to be aiming for the nostalgia market, which is fine but also finite.

Pete

[Dogwalker]

Thanks for posting those pics, Dogwalker!  The Roamer is growing on me, but I'm really digging the blacked out pipes on the yellow stone in the corner.  Hope it's not just tape.

It's a special prepared by the dealer.

[fossil]

Sorry Mike, just me being grumpy. I was going to drop in to the importer today see if they had a couple of these in for ADR approval but other events got in the way. I just wish it was in a modern chassis.

Things like the plastic chrome headlight bling on the 'Bobber' and its stupid fat front tyre, the 19 inch wheel on the Roamer. Sorry, its just silly. why not put sensible wheels on it like the B750 from a decade ago?

Pete

If you are talking about the headlamp collar: this is metal.

[pete roper]

Ok, I still think it sucks.

Pete

[jas67]

The engine and gearbox need to go into a modern version of the Ippo and a 'Nuovo NTX'. Once the dreary 'Retro' trend is consigned to the dustbin of history where it belongs they could build an exciting little motorbike to compete with the small capacity offerings from the likes of Honda and Kawasaki. At the moment they seem to be aiming for the nostalgia market, which is fine but also finite.

Pete

Nostalgia just isn't what it used to be.

[fossil]

Ok, I still think it sucks.

Pete

I like it. Looks good in naturam.

[O]

It's a special prepared by the dealer.

Ahhh, I should have noted the spoked wheels.  That bike looks great!  Thanks again!

[Cam3512]

The damn hipsters in the ads all look alike.  Lots of hair, beard, worn black belt, rolled-up jeans and worn out boots, leather jacket, and an open face helmet with a tortured expression.  "Let's ride one block to the organic coffee shop".   What a joke.

Guzzi doesn't have a great track record with 1st Gen motors (not ALL).   I'd personally be hesitant for that reason alone.

Keeping my V7 for now...

[Dogwalker]

Ahhh, I should have noted the spoked wheels.  That bike looks great!  Thanks again!

Oh, it could very well be a Stone with spoked wheels, I said a "special" in the sense of a unique piece. It's really nice to me too.

[Dogwalker]

Impressions of a Swiss dude (Owner of a Nevada and a Norge) that saw a yellow Roamer by the importer.

I've seen it live today by the Swiss importer.
Yellow roamer, arrived last night.
Put among the other V7 at the dealer, some of them being beautiful numbered special editions for the Swiss market, it rocks.
And I'm talking about the Roamer, the most "traditional" of the two.
Even greater attention to details than the V7II, that already is high for Guzzi standards.
I sat on a V7 Racer, a V7II scramblerized, a V7II Classic and the riding position of the Roamer is not worse or more sacrificed than the others. Indeed, with that beautiful large saddle, you can change position to support hamstrings and thigh bones as you want.
The ABS, marked Aprilia China in great evidence, is tiny and can fit under any seat of any Griso, dispelling the myth.
Compared to the V7II, the Roamer has beautiful footrests, beautiful attacks, beautiful commands, the single instrument is visually more beautiful of the two "clocks" of the V7II. The comparison with the Nevada is merciless.
The swing arm is finally "symmetric", there is a finger of space on the right and on the left of the tire. All in black, is visually more massive and with a more graceful forms than that of Nevada it replaces. Nice is also the cover of the bevel gear, bigger and more uniform in shape.
The engine is visually another planet, beautiful, solid compact, uniform matte black with intriguing details in brushed metal.
It stands out from the bike thanks to the shape of the tank, but at the same time gives a more "massive impression" and more balanced than the V7II, infinitely better than the pre-V7IIs. The manifolds are terrificly sized.
The alloy wheels are simply spectacular. Better than any spoken wheel ever fitted to any Guzzi, big or small block.
The side pamels, that leaves some doubt in the images, will be the part that will be more easily changed, but live they definitely are not bad, they provide a long and sleek line. Minimalist. Laterally it seems it's al reduced to make room for the view of the engine.
The V9 is' the replacement of the small block engines, the various V7, and Nevada. It's, as a level of finishing a step above the V7, that's already a beautiful product, and it's in a different category than the previous generations.
Compare it to a Big Block does not make sense. But it makes sense to say that the 1400 compared to the 1100 is what the V9 is compared to the previous small blocks. By sight and by touch, it is a quantum leap in quality.
Surrounded, at the dealer, by an Audace and a Custom, the V9 it's lighter and more streamlined but, thanks to the spectacular shape of the tank, is not a "little bike" but an agile and easy to handle bike, which can not be said of a Nevada.
...
For the record, the Roamer was put into production before the Bobber. That's why we don't see Bobbers at the dealers yet.
Strange choice, at least for the Swiss market, since the importer already has bookings for about 150 samples of Bobber, much less for the Roamer.
For Bobber it will take 3-4 weeks before you see them, but the dealers already have a complete booking for the first week of road tests, and a handful of people who have bought it "on paper."

[rocker59]

thanks dogwalker   

[Lcarlson]

Sounds like he likes it....

[Dogwalker]

Sounds like he likes it....

He did many works on the Nevada (834cc, OSS cams...), that his wife uses, while he uses the Norge, to better adapt it to long trips ("home-Rotterdam, home-Barcellona, home-Dover, home-Amburg, home-Berlin, home-Budapest" in a day). Now is waiting to test the V9 to see if it can replace the Nevada.

[rocker59]

Kev,

"Surrounded, at the dealer, by an Audace and a Custom, the V9 it's lighter and more streamlined but, thanks to the spectacular shape of the tank, is not a "little bike" but an agile and easy to handle bike, which can not be said of a Nevada."

I know there are some translation issues, but I read this to mean that the V7 Roamer looks like an agile and easy to handle full sized motorcycle, while the Nevada simply looks like a "little bike". 

And I agree that the Nevada's lines just don't look right.  It "looks" like a small entry level cruiser, while the Roamer "looks" like a full-sized retro standard.

[oldbike54]

 I bow to Pete in all things related to tech or mechanics , but the statement that the retro market is limited may be true in OZ , however here in the states that isn't true . The market for retro here is almost unlimited , witness almost everything HD , and the success of models like the Bonneville . My best guess is the V9 series will be a hit in America and large parts of Europe .

                                                                           Hipster


 Dusty

[Kev m]

Obviously Dog and I can't seem to communicate today.

I deleted all my posts because:

1. I obviously misread the translation in the first place.

and

2. I obviously can't communicate my thoughts to Dog as he's taking everything I say another way.

and

3. It really doesn't matter.

I can't wait to see the V9 as it definitely has a number of things I like about it.

I really still hope there's some sort of combination V9 Stone that comes of all this - basically a Hemi version of my current Stone. I think that would be great.

[rocker59]

 

[Chuck in Indiana]

I'd much rather have a V9 LeMans.. 

[JeffOlson]

I am growing to like the V9 more and more.

If it were mine, and if I could change it without wrecking things, I would add a full-sized, two-up saddle so two American-sized persons could actually ride on it together. (My wife is not a stick-like Italian supermodel, and I am, shall we say, "husky.") I would also see about raising the rear-end and dropping the front end to make the top tubes just beneath the tank horizontal (the way God intended ).

[rocker59]

[oldbike54]

 "I get allergic
   smelling hay"

  Dusty

[O]

Kev m,  If you'd just stop puttin' dirt in his hole, things would be fine. 

In all seriousness though, I was wondering what you were going on about.  Nicely done on the deletions. 

[Kev m]

Ha ha O call it the thing I did right today (the deletions).

I think DogW knows I like him and really appreciate his contributions.

I totally misread his buddy's stuff and I couldn't explain it though I tried.

Hopefully he laughed at me.

It's all good here.

[Penderic]

Huh?


Do I gotta use my new WildGuzzi Dialog Nuance Diagnostic unit, (special order), to learn whats going on here?

[bpreynolds]

I really still hope there's some sort of combination V9 Stone that comes of all this - basically a Hemi version of my current Stone. I think that would be great.

 :1:

Is there any chance they won't?  You guys would know better than me but I can't imagine why they've even kept the older engine in the other bikes except to deplete stock?  The V7 line has proven to be MG's lifeboat and I don't think they'd drop the Stone/standard V7 just to send out the Roamer and Bobber alone, especially given how good a seller the previous styling continues to be.  As is typical with MG, I think/hope next year they will feature the one engine across the entire V7 line.  What you guys think?

[jas67]

:1:

Is there any chance they won't?  You guys would know better than me but I can't imagine why they've even kept the older engine in the other bikes except to deplete stock?  The V7 line has proven to be MG's lifeboat and I don't think they'd drop the Stone/standard V7 just to send out the Roamer and Bobber alone, especially given how good a seller the previous styling continues to be.  As is typical with MG, I think/hope next year they will feature the one engine across the entire V7 line.  What you guys think?

It all depends on whether the V7 lineup continues to be a good seller along side the new V9 lineup.

If V7 sales drop significantly once the V9 is available in all markets, it will be dropped once all existing stock is sold.

[Kev m]

It all depends on whether the V7 lineup continues to be a good seller along side the new V9 lineup.

If V7 sales drop significantly once the V9 is available in all markets, it will be dropped once all existing stock is sold.

Reports are the V7 has been the biggest success MG has seen in at least the past decade or so that I've been riding them. There's no way they are "going away" per se. I'll eat my hat.

The only question is whether or not it continues as a Heron 750cc and I think the writing is on the wall that it PROBABLY WON'T.

But we won't know till we know.

[fossil]

It is that simple: they will not be able to sell the V7 II here in Europe from 2017 on. According my dealer who was guarding the V9 in the Hamburg exhibition the frame is mostly the old one. What they would have to do is to make a version of the small block engine that is EU4 - compatible. And this is exactly what they have done with the V9 engine. So of course a V9 Stone, Special and the lot will substitute the current V7 setup. I look forward to it.

The only thing is: in the future a 35 kW (48 hp) bike has to be constructed to have exactly that power. It may not longer be a detuned version of a stronger bike. And so I can imagine that there will be a smaller version of the V9 engine, perhaps with 750 ccm, that fits the bill here.

[bpreynolds]

I'm sure this has been covered earlier but I just ask here for a quick refresher.  Tell me again, other than the bigger engine and extra 7 ponies and smaller tank and different styling - what are the other differences on paper of the V9 versus the V7II?