1100 Takes Shape

[Old Jock]

So at a bit of a hiatus at the moment

The exhausts are down at Camcoat for Ceramic coating in silk black. Huzo was right the wrap just did not do it on the 1100 after all the effort. Taken a bit of a punt on the silk black for the 1100, like it or loathe it though it's what's going on.

The rear caliper support bracket is with my soopa doopa machine shop guys to get a bracket made to mount the speed pickup for the MotoGadget Motoscope. I'm also waiting on a fitting before I can mount the oil pressure sensor that will transmit to the Motoscope and a button assembly from ISR to activate sub menus on the dash. Still apprehensive about the Motoscope although I really like it I would have preferred if it was about 50% bigger. I worry that the front of the fairing, in front of the headstock will look empty, it's a really small unit when you see it in the flesh so to speak.

Final wait is for some discs from ISR. These are wanton bling and were not in the original plan, the 320 Brembo discs are fine. I'll probably punt both them and the 4 pot Brembo calipers either to a mate (if he wants them) or the Bay of Fleas.

In the meantime after that thread on the dubious methods that Guzzi used to voltage sense on the 1100 combined with the tortuous path the electrons have to make to get to the headlight (the wee things must be worn out by the time they reach the bulb) I went ahead and installed relays for dip and main. This was also from vague memories of reports on the trapeziod headlight not being the optimal device to transmit light onto the road ahead.



The Posilocks are a bit crude but I've used a lot of Posi products and never had any problem whatsoever, old dog, old tricks.

I need to hang out less here, I read the thread on LED bulbs.............. ............Soooooo o



Cyclops 3800 H4 now in place, I was not exactly enamored when I had to grind down the top lug a little to get it to fit. I could not fit the existing boot due it being specific to the pins on a normal H4, but that's not a biggie I don't ride in the rain

The black box is mounted with Dual Lock on the fairing bracket on the right with the Reg/Rec hanging down on the left



Bars arrived back from the anodizer. Had to find a more inventive method to route the switchgear wiring due to the copious amounts of cable I seem to have. Its not finshed and should look Ok once tie wrapped into place along the bars (crosses fingers). The bars are just roughly positioned and will be moved to an optimal position later (for length, angle and height) once the fairing, seat and levers are installed 





General shot



Onward and upwards, next thing while I wait will be to install the brake lever and master cylinder I suppose

John

[malik]

Coming along very nicely. Excellent.

Yes, that trapezoidal headlight is woeful. Worse than useless in tunnels. I arranged a pair of Denali D2's linked into high beam & mounted to the Sport's mirror mounts to give me something I could see with. Works well. Although you may not intend to ride at night, you sometimes get caught out. A better long term solution is a 7in round light, but that requires a new (custom) fairing and a new front subframe. A chap on this board in Taiwan adapted a Ducati front subframe. Worth a look at.

Mal

[Old Jock]

Thanks Malik

Yeah when I had a Daytona it had the square light which the UK & the US got. I heard some stories in the mags at the time about the trapezoid headlight being pants (as we'd say in the UK)

Common sense dictates that I go to a round light, but I reckon it would ruin the Magni's styling and it's Italian............ ...Styling is way above practicality

I have no intentions of, BUT if I did decide to change the set up I'd probably go to a twin projector HID or LED set up. The only problem with HIDs is finding somewhere to mount all the boxes.

Your idea of the Denali spots are good, if it turns out to be utterly utterly useless then I'd look at trying to mount something similar somewhere on the bike where they were not too conspicuous. That could be tricky as I'm struggling a bit now to get all the stuff mounted, Tonti frames are so much more accommodating on that score

John

[Old Jock]

Exhausts arrived back from Camcoat with an internal and external ceramic coating. I'm glad I went to the trouble IMHO it looks a lot better & no pipe polishing required 







So still a ways to go, next is the dash install

Still outstanding
Brakes & hoses
Battery, what size & where to install plus cables
Bodywork (that will be fun when it doesn't fit)

Just as I'm typing this the doorbell goes and it appears the discs have arrived from ISR................ ................... so yet more bling soon to bore the lot of you to death

John

[tris]

John

Re the ceramic coating.

I've just had a look at their website and they're pretty good prices.

Now I'd like my Breva to have shiny headers but to be honest really can't be A$$ed to polish them back up after every ride.

Will the internal lining really keep the heat away enough to stop the stainless colouring up?

Cheers

Tris

[Old Jock]

Tris you in the UK?

I can only relate to my limited experience as I eventually ended getting all the pipes on my bikes done black

According to the guys on here Jet Coat in the US have an external "Chrome" coating which is very good. Camcoat have "Chrome" external coating "CermaKrome" I think or something like that, but when I got the 1000 done I was far from impressed. They came back with a bluish cast and not nearly as shiny as stainless, you can see the SS Supertrapp end cans compared to the Cermakrome and the difference is pretty obvious. Of course the coating may have improved since then, that was around 4-5 years back.

Here's an example



The internal only will IMHO will reduce the time between polishing but probably not eliminate the blueing indefinitely on the headers, the rest of the system will probably be fine

If you are in the UK and interested then I'd call Camcoat, tell them what you are thinking about and why and let them tell you their thoughts. I've only had a good relations with them and I haven't heard any gripes on the Ducati forum either, where a lot of guys have had their systems done.

To get the 1100's system done was about 220GBP including shipping back up. Turnaround time is typically 2 weeks

If it's Jet Coat I'd start a thread and ask some other US guys to post up some pictures, there seem to have been quite a few who had their systems treated, internally and an external "Chrome" ceramic done.

Hope that helps, if you need more or want to chat about it drop me a PM or an email

John

[Old Jock]

Well discs finally arrived.

Had some issues and confusion re thread pitch for the caliper mounts as the cap screws were binding, turned out to be the calipers had not been tapped all the way through, only a very small amount but enough to bind the bolts. 5 minutes with a tap and sorted



Master is off the 1000 clutch when I went back to cable (fail on the M/C slave ratio which  gave me a wooden clutch).

Reversed the lever and a couple  of pins..............j ob done. I need to replace the hose as its got a small scratch/nick, no chances taken with front brakes

I have the proper Tygon hose, I did once use regular common or garden Tygon, it worked but sweated, not ideal.

The reservoir is mounted there to, hopefully, make it easier to fill and get it well outta the way



The brake light will be activated by a Goodridge SS, double banjo pressure switch. I like running individual lines to each caliper, just need to size them. Might have to chop the banjo a little, but I cannot see any problem with doing that

Couple of general shots





Dash next I guess

John

[Chuck in Indiana]

Gulp. Be still, my beating heart..

[balvenie]

Another feast for the eyes on WG

[Huzo]

You start to run out of words eventually, just dripping with taste and beauty, priceless !!!

[weevee]

Hi John, I hadn't realised this thread was Magni related.  It's been a great read!  Your bike's a real beauty.

Looking at the most recent photos you've posted, I'm intrigued to see how far you have the front forks pulled up through the yokes.  And is that the pre-load nut you have screwed well down?  Have you found these settings of benefit?  Quicker steering, maybe?   

These forks look pretty near identical to those on my Australia, and despite searching the web I've been unable to find any information regarding their oil-capacity, adjustability, recommended settings etc., so have left everything as it was when I bought it.  My bike handles well enough as-is, but it would be good to know how best to 'fiddle' with them.  Can you enlighten me?

Cheers
Steve   

[Old Jock]

Heh Steve

Great to hear form you

I haven't done anything to the forks since I got it, well they have been refurbished new oil & seals replaced. However as far as settings that was the way it came out the van. Perhaps a previous owner has tweaked them I really don't know, all I did was noted where the knobs were and reset them to that when I put them back in.

I know another guy who has a 1000 and had sent me some pictures of it. From the photographs it appears that his forks are, more or less, at the same height through the forks too.

Confession......... ..........now you'll all definitely think I've lost the plot............... .I have not even ridden this bike.

I have run the engine, when I got it but that's about it. It wasn't MOT'd and was needing some refresh work. So the original plan was to do some minor refurb then put it on the road. One thing borrowed another and it became obvious after a real critical inspection that it would really need torn down. IMHO to just bodge over the cracks on such a lovely rare machine would have been heresy. On top of that a lot of life's events got in the way too slowing things still further, well to a crawl.

I'm now on a mission to finish it before I'm too old to ride the bloody thing

I'm pretty well certain that the bike will be identical in cycle parts to your Oz, however the Oz is a much more desirable piece of real estate.

With the spinies Magni did 3 as far as I'm aware

1) Magni 1000 4V almost identical to the Oz in cycle parts and running gear but clothed like the 1100
2) Magni 1100 The 2V engine bike I'm currently butchering building
3) The Magni Australia

Weevee you have a PM

As for the rest of you guys...........than k you, thank you 

Now what to bodge next that's the question

John

[weevee]

Thanks for the PM, John - and the offer of suspension info.  It would be much appreciated.  Yes, my e-mail address is the same.

I'm aiming to buy a 'hack' bike for next summer's forays, so I may then strip down the Australia and finally get around to fitting a gear-drive for the oil pump etc.  All this talk about the 8v 'flat-tappet' issue is a concern too, but up until now (..fingers crossed!) she's run like a Swiss watch, so I've been biding my time.

I didn't realise you'd never ridden your bike at all, but if it's anything like the Australia you're in for a treat!  I've owned an RC30 for many years, and a multitude of other so-called 'iconic' bikes have come and gone without ever challenging the RC for my affections - but in the Australia I've found something that just might do it.  It's like rolling thunder, and a long ride-out on it stays in the memory for days afterwards.  What a bike it is! 

Until you get yours on the road, maybe you could check out the short vid I posted on Youtube a couple of days ago.  It's not the best, I know (..I had drooping camera-mount issues!) but it's a taster: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zFguED4BB8

Steve   

                 

[Old Jock]

Chest Mount, hard to get right but they are far better than helmet mounts for stability

Its still IMHO a cracking video, your right about the sound WOW!!!

Thanks for sharing the link with me

John

[Unkept]

I just wanted to say, amazing looking bike/work on your part! Inspiring me to get back to business myself...

And Steve, your video above and bike are amazing as well!

-Joe

[Old Jock]

Steve

Just to show that others too get the Chest Mount too low

Couple of mine taken yonks back............... ......I need to take some more, its just such a PIA setting the stuff up on the bike

Anyways unfortunately with naff music as the GoPros sound was either wind or a rattle so I had to do some sound editing to get anything, then I cobbled over my gaffs with a sound track 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNOwFF8SmRM&spfreload=10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHUlrL1Hb1U&spfreload=10

Noble try harder you could do beter 

John

[weevee]

Cheers Joe!


Fantastic scenery you have up there John.  If only the sun could be guaranteed it would be biking heaven!

My own video camera's a Chinese cheapie with very poor sound.  All I do is drop my Canon IS (..with its stereo mics.) in a backpack and leave it recording sound.  I then splice the soundtrack from this together with the video using one of the free-to-download video-editors I found on the web.  This is why the sound's usually the best part of anything I produce!  (I must one day buy myself a GoPro  )

Steve

     

[Old Jock]

So I thought I'd post if only with the point of keeping the thread alive.

There has not been so much happening as I'm still waiting for the machine shop to return my new bracket for the speed pickup & the rear caliper mounting bracket. This stops me getting on with the dash work or getting new brake lines made.

In the meantime some minor stuff, I ordered cables from Stein Dinse, these duly arrived. Throttle cable installed straight on, clutch had to modified (new nipple soldered on) for the ISR lever

I also found a Margura universal choke lever on Amazon that looked pretty good so I ordered it and again it arrived and I bolted it to the bars



A trip down to the bicycle shop a few minutes down the road and I came back with a bicycle brake cable which after 5 minutes with a Dremel fitted nicely into the choke lever (its really just a fast idle mechanism on the FI). Cheap, easy and convenient!!!!



Clutch cable ran a bit too close to the cylinder for my liking so I spaced it with a hose and P clip, whether it will hold up or melt remains to be seen





That's all I got at the moment, apologies for being so tardy

John

[balvenie]

We're more than happy to catch your posts any old time you like to visit  BTW, appreciate the close-up of the P-clip. It's a natty fix

[Mayor_of_BBQ]

This thread is amazing

[Old Jock]

I think the last time I posted about this the US was still part of the colonies. 

As the build moves along at a swift pace............... ........if your a geologist.

I had developed a fork leak and it was driving me nuts, it took me ages and a lot of disassembly and reassembly to even find it. The culprit was the damping adjuster, but I only found that out after checking everything else (sigh).

Several attempts to fix it proved unsuccessful. I'm not going to dig any holes by going into lurid details of the stupidity I can plumb when doing this kinda stuff, you'll just need to imagine. Eventually a local guy who is a suspension specialist helped me out, after I crossed his palm with silver, lots of silver............. ..turns out he supports a BSB team too but that's another story.

I did a "U" turn on the dash as well, we Brits are dammed good at "U" turns, watch our politicians.

The original dash, which only a mother could love, was getting installed!!!

The thought of hacking into the loom to modify it for a digital dash and the pain and anguish that would go with it was more than I could take after the Chinese water torture that was the fork leak.

I used some race seat foam to cut another surround, the original was bogging and torn. Its home botched replacement is a bit ropey too but as I learned a lot from that attempt I may have another go at making a better job of it later.

Another mystery was the speedo cable. The cable that was previously installed had a long tubular angled outer at the speedo end and was routed out at 90 degrees to the line of the bike and around the fork leg, before meandering in the general direction of the gearbox. Obviously off another model of Guzzi but why and why it was routed the way it was, will just have to be another one of these great unknowns.

I ordered and fitted an 1100 sport cable which is just a tad too long but good enough and runs down the frame.

Next in line is to size up brake lines.

So to to work out the runs and the line length. I thought it might be an idea to trial install the fairing. This is the first time its been put on in the build, so I was very apprehensive given my luck so far with this project.

After eventually remembering through a process of trial (and painful) error I found all the missing bits and after a couple of days I figured out where they went and started to install them and aforementioned fairing.

What then followed was a period of complete terror as the levers and God knows what else proceeded to throw themselves into the fairing sides as soon as the bars were more than a degree off central.

A period of heavy drinking followed.

Then much later.............. .another, some time after that I started adjusting the levers, followed by the bars, followed by the cable routing for choke and clutch, followed by readjusting the bars again, then the levers............. ..ad nausiem. I just never learn, I went through all this with the 1000 too.

So some pictures.







Tomorrow I'll start to size the brake lines.............u nless the mental health team in Glasgow Social work, read this and turn up at the door to take me for a loooong vacation

[Old Jock]

A couple more pictures as I had to correct my grammar too and the pictures went away............... .Microsoft Works (best Oxymoron I  know)





John

[twowings]

That's looking good! You're on the downhill side now...

[Chuck in Indiana]

A period of heavy drinking followed.

That must have worked. Lovely..

[Old Jock]

So trial install of the tank. I had to remove my relay mod for the headlights as it fouled the tank, I've got an alternate location lined up, but the mod is on hold for the moment. Besides the LED headlamp shouldn't be quite as heavy on the switchgear, I'll get around to it, but its a nice to have rather than an absolute must do.

Several bits of the loom required relocating too. The tank is extremely tight to the frame at the head but then opens up allowing loads of room further down.



I used some rubber trim at tank fairing interface and then continued it up along the fairing inside edge.



I think these pictures illustrate the somewhat limited space between tank/fairing and levers when the headstock is at its limits of travel. The other side is just the same, the levers do not actually come into contact with the fairing before the headstock stops.............. ......but its a mighty close run thing!!!!

[Old Jock]

Waiting for brake lines and a couple of P clips to make a quick and dirty mount for a pressure gauge (possibly)

In the meantime I hauled the Shorai out the 1098 and trialed it in the 1100.





This was just a "see what's possible" the Shorai is 21Ah (I know it's not truly 21Ah but LiFe equivalence for comparison) its been in the Duc about 5 years and starts it first time in warm weather every time from "store charge" around 60-70% capacity. Its quite a big battery and yet the tank was only proud of actually locating by 15mm or so.

The cutout in the tank is so large at the rear that I could fit the battery into it sideways



It would appear that a Lithium could be the solution to the fugliness of the "slap it on the side and be done with it".

I don't like the CF lowers either and although I have them the intention is not to install them

[balvenie]

Thanks for posting John

[Old Jock]

Thanks balvenie, I wonder if I've just bored everybody to death with this build because it has dragged out sooooooo long

I installed a pressure gauge yesterday, bit of a BIY job (Bodge it Yourself) but I didn't want to drill anything to make a proper mount and this was the best I could think of.



Its just 2 P Csips one around the fork leg and the other holding the gauge. The gauge is mechanical and takes it feed from the original oil pressure switch take off, that than goes to a pressure switch at the front of the bike, passes rearward and loops around the other side underneath the tank.



In order to not pull excessively on the fitting while turning the bars after several failed attempts, I opted for running it under the tank and leaving the hose unrestrained. The inside of the tank has been Gaffa taped to protect the paint and decrease friction between the tank and (plastic braided) hose.

The hose actually gets pushed or pulled, under, or out from, the tank as I turn the bars.

The hose slack necessary to allow the bars to turn is accommodated for where the hose loops over the frame underneath and about halfway along the tank.

You can see the hose feeding under the tank here



John

[Chuck in Indiana]

Sorry, Jock.. but this is the first thing that you've done on this build that I haven't loved. <shrug> There just has to be a way to make a proper mount and still not drill any holes..
Or even put it some where out of sight. You could still occasionally monitor it. Certainly, no offence intended, but that gauge and it's mounting offend me.  Everything else is so gorgeous. I'll get me hat. <shuffling off>

[Old Jock]

Heh Chuck

No offense taken, it's not the prettiest thing I admit and the P Clip mount is definitely BIY, I can see easily how it offends you when looking at the Aero Lario aesthetics.

Definitely not my finest hour, but not the worst, that was when I wrapped the pipes.

Had the gauge lying around and decided to use it. I've looked all over this dammed bike for somewhere to mount a gauge that I could look at, even if it meant glancing down, but be dammed if I can see one.

Perhaps if I had access to machining facilities but I don't and I'm putting this together in a space about the size of a large closet. 

I could possibly use the gauge but mount it lower down, below the Yoke, that way it would be out of site.

I didn't think it THAT bad. 

Anyways I bet even Claudia Schiffer's got an ugly bit somewhere 

Really value your opinion Chuck and thanks for telling me what you think, it's appreciated and made me think about it

John