Any bets on the model year when all the small blocks are based on V9?

[ohiorider]

I would think a small mfg like Guzzi, who may already be spread a bit thin, model-wise, would be moving quickly to base all future small block models on the new V9 driveline/engine.  It took Guzzi no time to drop the 2v per cylinder bb 1151cc in favor of the 1151cc 8v engine. 

Or do you see Guzzi continuing with the 750 Heron head AND the 850 semi-hemi head engines?

[Kev m]

I would think a small mfg like Guzzi, who may already be spread a bit thin, model-wise, would be moving quickly to base all future small block models on the new V9 driveline/engine.

2017 (in the EU) possibly 2018 here.

Primarily because of what Dogwalker has previously said about the ability to meet upcoming EU standards.

[jas67]

2017 (in the EU) possibly 2018 here.

Primarily because of what Dogwalker has previously said about the ability to meet upcoming EU standards.

Beat me to it, so, I just have to say  :1:

[sign216]

What are the thoughts for Guzzi's plan for the Heron headed V7 series?  A bike that can trace frame and engine components all the way to original 350/500 smallblock.

Drop the V7 and just keep the V9?   That would make business sense.

But this is Italy, so?

[jackson]

FYI: Same topic yesterday: http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=82070.0

[sign216]

The 750 is cheaper to make, so Guzzi could keep it in the line up for a while as their entry level.  Not sure if the retail prices reflect much difference between the V7 and V9.

I suspect the V7 has been such a big seller, that Guzzi will it keep for while, to hedge their bets, in case the V9 doesn't sell.

[Kev m]

The 750 is cheaper to make, so Guzzi could keep it in the line up for a while as their entry level.  Not sure if the retail prices reflect much difference between the V7 and V9.

I suspect the V7 has been such a big seller, that Guzzi will it keep for while, to hedge their bets, in case the V9 doesn't sell.

Why is the 7 cheaper to make?

And see other thread and references to Dogwalker suggesting in previous threads that the 7 can't make the next tier of EU standards in 2017.

[Dean Rose]

Maybe this is the answer?

Dean

[sign216]

Why is the 7 cheaper to make?

And see other thread and references to Dogwalker suggesting in previous threads that the 7 can't make the next tier of EU standards in 2017.

The Heron heads require less machining.  I.e. a flat head with two parallel valves, vs a hemispherical head with angled valves.  The Heron head is easier, straightforward to make with a simple valve train.  It's essentially the next evolutionary step up from the Model T "cylindrical"  combustion chamber. 

The Heron head was a favorite of race cars and airplanes in it's day.  Still a favorite of mine.

[Kev m]

The Heron heads require less machining.  I.e. a flat head with two parallel valves, vs a hemispherical head with angled valves.  The Heron head is easier, straightforward to make with a simple valve train.  It's essentially the next evolutionary step up from the Model T "cylindrical"  combustion chamber. 

The Heron head was a favorite of race cars and airplanes in it's day.  Still a favorite of mine.

But that means nothing if they can't make emissions standards with it.

And what's the cost per unit difference in the heads in the big picture? Can't imagine it's significant in the big picture.

[rocker59]

FYI: Same topic yesterday: http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=82070.0

merged.  thanks.

[Shorty]

How many parts do the V7s share with the smaller twins. Do they still sell the smaller twins in other markets?

[trippah]

Rumor has it VW has sent some specialists to help MG pass the emission standards.

[BugSpatteredJacket]

I don't recall off hand the specs but the BHP of the V9 is not at all that much more significant than the V7 imho. I was actually kinda surprised it is as low as it is in lieu of Triumph bumping up their Bonneville BHP.

That being said, I doubt the 750 will ever be discontinued. Its tried and tested and one of the most endearing engines ever made, again, imho. Discontinuing it would be akin to to Harley-Davidson discontinuing their Sportster range. It's just too iconic... too Guzzi not to have around. But what do I know - I am not a businessman at the end of the day.

[sib]

2017 (in the EU) possibly 2018 here.

Primarily because of what Dogwalker has previously said about the ability to meet upcoming EU standards.

But, isn't there another EU standard that has to do with power and license class?  I think that 48 HP (or the metric equivalent) is the limit for a popular license class.  I also think that's why the V7 and V7II are advertised as having 48 HP in the EU and 50 HP in the US.  So, if the V9 might have to be kept to 48 HP to meet this license class in the EU.

[jas67]

Rumor has it VW has sent some specialists to help MG pass the emission standards.

As the owner of TWO TDI VW's that are in limbo, I'm going to say, "TOO SOON!"

[Kev m]

I don't recall off hand the specs but the BHP of the V9 is not at all that much more significant than the V7 imho. I was actually kinda surprised it is as low as it is in lieu of Triumph bumping up their Bonneville BHP.

That being said, I doubt the 750 will ever be discontinued. Its tried and tested and one of the most endearing engines ever made, again, imho. Discontinuing it would be akin to to Harley-Davidson discontinuing their Sportster range. It's just too iconic... too Guzzi not to have around. But what do I know - I am not a businessman at the end of the day.

No actually Triumph LOWERED the HP on the Street Twin as compared to the outgoing air-cooled models. They increased it on the larger displacement 1200cc versions.

And no discontinuing the V7 smallblocks in favor of the V9 wouldn't be the equivalent of HD discontinuing the Sportster, though one could argue it would be the equivalent of replacing the 883 with a 1000cc.

SIB, yes there's a tiered license system in various parts of the world, but again it's a moot point IF they can't make emissions. And I'm not sure, but I believe the tiered systems vary at requirements (CC limits, HP limits, mechanical or electronic limiting etc). But I think the V7 didn't meet all standards all around the world for that as it was. Not to mention who says every manufacturer NEEDS to have a tiered "beginner" bike.

[Guzikid]

 It would seem to me that as I compare MSRP for the V7 II and the V9 units, and they are very close in my area it seems, the obvious pick would be the V9. I like the looks of the Roamer and the engine having a few more ponies and more torque......plus the "promised" better quality, it should be a no brainer !!  But, I have to wait until June/July to try out the Roamer rather than jump on a nice V7 II Scrambler edition. Now, the new upcoming Stornello......That might just be what I need to put me over the top !!!  Ah, decisions, decisions.......   The Kid

[Antietam Classic Cycle]

How many parts do the V7s share with the smaller twins. Do they still sell the smaller twins in other markets?

Nothing on their Italian website smaller than the V7 II, so I guess not.