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« Reply #150 on: March 29, 2016, 04:53:49 PM »
Doesn't look any different from the V7 in that aspect.... <shrugs>

That was my point, as well.  It's what I expected.  At 3:35-40 he hits a couple small potholes and has a very reaction very similar to what I remember of my V7C.  You're cruising along having fun and then you suddenly say "whoa, that was not fun at all!"

But it's a cool video.  The microphone doesn't really do justice to the sound, and yet it still sounds fantastic.  Heroin for the Guzzi junkie.
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« Reply #151 on: March 30, 2016, 04:48:32 PM »
I get the impression this is a puff piece, but can't be sure parce que je ne parlais pas le francaise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqlFQjR9nYI

But worth watching for the video and audio.
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« Reply #152 on: March 30, 2016, 04:59:56 PM »
OK, Moto Guzzi needs to send one to Phoenix for me to ride around Arizona for a couple weeks. We've got roads that are fast and boring, twisty and terrifying and every thing in between.

I'll even wear my full face helmet so folks are not scared by my face. If they send it in time for the Not a Rally in May I can even show it around a bit.

And please Moto Guzzi, TWO proper analog gauges (or at least the option to add the second one).
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Re: V9 Review Thread. Merged Threadfest
« Reply #153 on: April 12, 2016, 07:11:06 AM »

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« Reply #154 on: April 12, 2016, 08:05:56 AM »
He pretty much hits it I think..  :smiley:
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« Reply #155 on: April 12, 2016, 08:36:02 AM »
This the first I've heard of the cooling air flow around the exhaust ports
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« Reply #156 on: April 12, 2016, 08:42:35 AM »
He noted the bosses on the frame that could move the footpegs back -- a future standard to replace the doomed V7?

I note that the brake and shift lever look like they were made in shop class from sheet metal. 

Remember when Guzzi had lovely cast pieces there? (draws on corncob pipe)
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« Reply #157 on: April 12, 2016, 09:18:37 AM »
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« Reply #158 on: April 12, 2016, 09:26:49 AM »
One of the most entertaining reviews I've read in quite a while.  Great stuff.
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« Reply #159 on: April 12, 2016, 11:02:01 AM »
a bit like a forum rant but here you are:

http://www.motofire.com/2016/04/reviews/tested-moto-guzzi-v9-bobber/

Realize now the article was a slightly editted version of this original, some of the comments make more sense when you see the source website:
http://thebikeshed.cc/2016/03/30/the-new-moto-guzzi-v9-bobber/

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« Reply #160 on: April 12, 2016, 06:38:07 PM »
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« Reply #161 on: April 16, 2016, 06:00:51 PM »
Nice little article in Cafe Racer mag. April/May issue44.
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« Reply #162 on: April 18, 2016, 01:32:40 PM »
Not a review, just 12 minutes of video, but one of the better ones that's up right now imo.  The first couple minutes are good because the rider is passing and being passed by other V9's, so lots of different visual angles.  After that they bog down on slower roads, but the end is cool where they ride into the factory.

Also gives some sense of the passing power of the V9, which even in this situation is clearly a bit step above the V7.

If I got a Roamer, I'd be putting a screen on it immediately.  That Easy Rider slouch gets old quick at 70 mph.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWZ3nbidh_s&ebc=ANyPxKrWjytR0R5wUcQRbAUliFbopvqBd1CdLGg-9IxW-Gvw98gWBPGtLdVyblk1_ebJXEcz_vTcaBC8TCsYWiQiUVz8DBOsEA
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« Reply #163 on: April 18, 2016, 02:09:56 PM »
Not a review, just 12 minutes of video, but one of the better ones that's up right now imo.  The first couple minutes are good because the rider is passing and being passed by other V9's, so lots of different visual angles.  After that they bog down on slower roads, but the end is cool where they ride into the factory.

Also gives some sense of the passing power of the V9, which even in this situation is clearly a bit step above the V7.

If I got a Roamer, I'd be putting a screen on it immediately.  That Easy Rider slouch gets old quick at 70 mph.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWZ3nbidh_s&ebc=ANyPxKrWjytR0R5wUcQRbAUliFbopvqBd1CdLGg-9IxW-Gvw98gWBPGtLdVyblk1_ebJXEcz_vTcaBC8TCsYWiQiUVz8DBOsEA

Not sure how you can tell the V9 has more "passing power" from that video?   .
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« Reply #164 on: April 18, 2016, 02:58:56 PM »
Not sure how you can tell the V9 has more "passing power" from that video?   .

My basis is having done 12,000 mi on a V7.  But I grant you it's a subjective and highly unscientific observation.  That vid features some moderately aggressive rolling on, and I liked how the V9 responded.
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« Reply #165 on: April 19, 2016, 07:02:52 AM »
"Not sure how you can tell the V9 has more "passing power" from that video?"
Believe me, it has.
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« Reply #166 on: April 25, 2016, 02:01:37 PM »
...@  www.cyclenews.com by Alan Cathcart.   :azn:
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« Reply #168 on: April 25, 2016, 03:17:43 PM »
I think that's the first reviewer to prefer the Roamer with its more sensitive (other reviewers seemed to think over-sensitive) steering.
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« Reply #169 on: April 25, 2016, 03:30:27 PM »
I like these new V9s and may put off buying the V7II I planned to buy.  I've only seen them in pictures and videos but so far they look good to me. I'll miss the tachometer, the bike doesn't really need one but when I bought my first motorcycle only the more expensive bikes had one and so everyone wanted one, I still do.  The slightly forward pegs on the Roamer are a plus in my book.  Forward pegs are a lot easier for an older rider like myself with stiff knees and hips.  The styling is OK but the prominent ridges on the sides of the gas tank seem a little overdone.  The only thing I would seriously like to see changed is the weight, I would like to see that go down to the weight of the V7II.

The main reason I ride a small block is that it is about the only standard bike that has decent performance and weighs in around 400 lbs.

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« Reply #170 on: April 25, 2016, 08:04:26 PM »
Right on!  Looks like the press is fairly warm to the V9 series.

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« Reply #171 on: April 25, 2016, 10:44:11 PM »
I like these new V9s and may put off buying the V7II I planned to buy.  I've only seen them in pictures and videos but so far they look good to me. I'll miss the tachometer, the bike doesn't really need one but when I bought my first motorcycle only the more expensive bikes had one and so everyone wanted one, I still do.  The slightly forward pegs on the Roamer are a plus in my book.  Forward pegs are a lot easier for an older rider like myself with stiff knees and hips.  The styling is OK but the prominent ridges on the sides of the gas tank seem a little overdone.  The only thing I would seriously like to see changed is the weight, I would like to see that go down to the weight of the V7II.



The main reason I ride a small block is that it is about the only standard bike that has decent performance and weighs in around 400 lbs.



I see, you want a similar bike to your V7II that has 7 more HP, less plastic on it, but weighs the same.  :laugh:

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« Reply #172 on: April 26, 2016, 12:52:07 PM »
To Arizona Wayne,  That's about it except I don't currently have a V7II, I have a 2007 2TB Nevada so I'm also looking for ABS, better styling, and a newer bike.  I have other bikes I ride but nothing with traction control, ABS etc.  One of my bikes is heavier than than the Nevada and I've decided it is too heavy and will probably sell it.  And at my age I don't want to break down on the highway so I've decided that I should keep newer and hopefully more reliable bikes. 

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« Reply #174 on: April 28, 2016, 04:26:20 AM »
A  closer look at the v9 small block engine. 

http://www.cycleworld.com/moto-guzzi-v9-motorcycle-engine-history-and-evolution?src=offramp&loc=region-3&lnk=txt
Unfortunately with a lot of misinformation. IE, the small block engine was not designed by the "De Tomaso Automobili technical staff", nor by a " limited competence" designer. It was  almost single-handedly designed by Lino Tonti, who designed the chassis too ("vague" in the Lario? Maybe confronted with bikes made ten years later, but in 1984 it was one of the best handling and rigorous middleweight bikes around) and it's nearly incredible that his name is not reported even a single time in the article.
As for the comparison with the other 350cc twins, the Morini one was really an outstanding engine, but it was designed to be a "true" 350. The 500 was yet a lot less remarkable, and the engine can't grow further. The Ducati was a lot more fragile for a very limited, or null, gain in power (at the rear wheel: V35II 1987, 31.25 ps at 8800 rpm; Ducati Indiana 350 1988, 30.65 ps at 9100 rpm; Ducati SS 350 1992, 35.32 ps at 10400 rpm).
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« Reply #175 on: April 28, 2016, 04:40:52 AM »
Unfortunately with a lot of misinformation. IE, the small block engine was not designed by the "De Tomaso Automobili technical staff", nor by a " limited competence" designer. It was  almost single-handedly designed by Lino Tonti, who designed the chassis too ("vague" in the Lario? Maybe confronted with bikes made ten years later, but in 1984 it was one of the best handling and rigorous middleweight bikes around) and it's nearly incredible that his name is not reported even a single time in the article.

No it wasn't! It was sweet in the way a sour lolly was sweet. It was, as stock, a complete, steaming, turd.

When Guzzi announced the Lario I really wanted one. On paper it was actually fairly good. In reality it was awful and its awfullness was exacerbated by idiots trying to *Tune* the f*** out of it.

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« Reply #176 on: April 28, 2016, 05:11:33 AM »
I think that's the first reviewer to prefer the Roamer with its more sensitive (other reviewers seemed to think over-sensitive) steering.

The steering of the roamer is definitely not over-sensitive. The feeling is comparable to the V7 Stone in a way that the more rearward oriented rider´s position and the bigger front wheel compensate one another. The influence of the tyres can be neglected as both the V9 Roamer and my V7 Stone have the Sport Demons.
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« Reply #177 on: April 28, 2016, 06:27:58 AM »
The styling is OK but the prominent ridges on the sides of the gas tank seem a little overdone.  The only thing I would seriously like to see changed is the weight, I would like to see that go down to the weight of the V7II.

The main reason I ride a small block is that it is about the only standard bike that has decent performance and weighs in around 400 lbs.

Where are you getting your information on weight? Are you just looking at the DRY (lie weights):

V7II Stone 417# dry - Scrambler/Stornello/Racer 419# dry - vs Roamer/Bobber 438#dry - that's 19-21#

But the V7II has a 5.8 gallon tank, and at 6.3 #/gallon that's an additional 36.5# which gives you a wet weight of AT LEAST 454-456#.

That number is pretty believable since MCN put the wet weight of the 2013 V7 Racer (factory claimed of about 395#) at 443#.

The Roamer/Bobber have only a 4 gallon tank - so fuel only adds an additional 25# to the claimed 438 dry which gives you 463# which is only 7-9# more than the V7II.

So you're worrying about less than 10#.

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« Reply #178 on: April 28, 2016, 11:07:05 AM »
Kev M: Thanks for pointing out the weight differences and yes I've been making comparisons based on dry weights.  After reading your post I went back to see the various weights for the V7 models.  They are right around 400 lbs, that's what I've been using.  So the V7II has gained nearly 20 lbs over the earlier V7 bikes.  I had not noticed that difference.  So the Roamer is nearly 40 lbs heavier than what I am comfortable with. 

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« Reply #179 on: April 28, 2016, 11:47:19 AM »
Kev M: Thanks for pointing out the weight differences and yes I've been making comparisons based on dry weights.  After reading your post I went back to see the various weights for the V7 models.  They are right around 400 lbs, that's what I've been using.  So the V7II has gained nearly 20 lbs over the earlier V7 bikes.  I had not noticed that difference.  So the Roamer is nearly 40 lbs heavier than what I am comfortable with.

Well, you might want to rethink that yet again.

Looking just at WET weights (1st 4 from MCN):

2004 Breva7  448# 
2005 Nevada 439#
2009 V7C      444#
2013 V7R      443#

Current models predicted wet weights

V7 II             454-456#
V9 (B or R)    463#

You said you've got a Nevada - so that's 439 vs. 463 meaning only 24# than you are currently "comfortable with" NOT 40#.

Next to my V7 Stone we've got a Ducati 696 which is reportedly 408# vs the Stone's 443# - that's a 35# difference.

I don't think I could possibly tell the different between those weights without a scale.

I'm not even sure my 5' 6" wife can tell.

YMMV of course, but I wouldn't write any of these off because of weight based solely on specs (without trying them).
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