Guzzi V7 vs Harley 750 vs Triumph Street Twin

[Higgins9875]

http://www.motorcycle.com/shoot-outs/retro-roadster-gaiternational-shootout

[cruzziguzzi]

Well that was nicely done.

Of course the Triumph comes out ahead - hard not to in a feature to feature, niche oriented comparison. Those Triumphs are so hard to beat.

Stil, for the guy willing to read between the lines - our own little partisan entry comes out very nicely.


Todd.

[bpreynolds]

I generally like Motorcycle.com.  They usually don't have the young squids aboard like MCN or MotorcycleUSA (now defunct I understand).  And two of the reviewers here were also the ones in on the Griso/9T/CB1100 comparo they did where the Guzzi came out on top.  I thought the review is/was fair and I'd fully expect the new Triumph to come out ahead on most comparo scorecards. 

My only gripe and surprise with this review is they got 37mpg from the Stone????  I have a notoriously heavy throttle hand and can wring the mpg seemingly out of pretty much every bike I've ever owned but even when totally hammering my former V7 Stone the absolute worst ever returned was 42mpg.  My average on fuelly after 4500 miles or so on the bike and many fill-ups was somewhere around 46-47.

[leafman60]

http://www.motorcycle.com/shoot-outs/retro-roadster-gaiternational-shootout

Sorry if this has already been posted.

[Moto]

To clarify, Steven C has copied a comment posted in response to the article, from an unknown yahoo.

I would observe that it also does little good for the brand if we repost such unsubstantiated stuff here, where many come to look for information.

Moto

[rocker59]

To clarify, Steven C has copied a comment posted in response to the article, from an unknown yahoo.

fixt.   

[DaSwami]

My only gripe and surprise with this review is they got 37mpg from the Stone????  I have a notoriously heavy throttle hand and can wring the mpg seemingly out of pretty much every bike I've ever owned but even when totally hammering my former V7 Stone the absolute worst ever returned was 42mpg.  My average on fuelly after 4500 miles or so on the bike and many fill-ups was somewhere around 46-47.

37mpg??   I'm nearly 300 lbs fully geared up and my V7II is turning 47mpg during run-in.   What are those guys doing?

[rocker59]

I'm averaging about 50mpg on my 2014 V7 Special.

[ponti_33609]

650 miles - exclusively city driving and getting 41 mpg.

[DaSwami]

These testers make a big deal about the Street Twins 270 degree crank but the Scrambler has been doing it for years.  Big deal.  I hate liquid cooling on a bike, so there. And my old TU250X had a tank as big as the Triumph. 

The criticisms of the V7II ride and handling are just weird to me.  Like:

"Clutch won’t tolerate shenanigans"

"The Guzzi will do over 100 mph easy, but that speed on those tires, especially on rain-grooved pavement on a big freeway off-ramp for instance, is a thing I only did once.”

OK, so it's not conducive to wheelies or or going 100mph on a rain grooved exit ramp??  WTH??  It's not that kind of bike!!  Talk about picking some nits!!


"The only difference we noticed in these modes of propulsion was an increase in stiffness over bumps when at a positive throttle position on the Guzzi. It suffered from no jacking effect as the throttle is rolled on or off, but the same bump is handled differently depending on whether the V7 is on or off the gas."    Really?  Like I've ever even noticed.  That was actually worth writing about???

[wymple]

If the dink wants to ride a V7 like that, he might do the obvious and spring for appropriate rubber.

[drawnverybadly]

I ride in heavy stop and go traffic and have been averaging 33 mpg for the last month, I see all you guy's crazy mpg numbers and cry

[JProdun]

I ride in heavy stop and go traffic and have been averaging 33 mpg for the last month, I see all you guy's crazy mpg numbers and cry

I second that. Fill up 4 gallons every 120 miles. 140 when I'm lucky to get a few highway miles during commute.

[swordds]

I am getting between 45 and 50 mpg but I am usually staying between 3,000 and 4,500 rpm; usually driving on two lane country roads and very rarely over 70 mph.

[Clancy]

47 mpg (20km/l) commuting.
54 mpg (23km/l) freeway.
Love my V7-II 

[Toecutter]

I fill to the bottom of the filler neck, best I've gotten is 320 km before low fuel light, and I get about 100-110 km after it comes on before running completely dry. (that's about 198 miles to low fuel light and about 62 miles after, in "old fart" numbers.) Or, another way... about 4.5-ish litres per 100 km (52 miles per US gallon).

22 Litre tank my ass. Yeah, it'll hold 22 litres, but the factory themselves warn not to fill above the bottom of the filler neck. It's about 18 litres from *EMPTY* to *BOTTOM OF FILLER*. If I could use that last 4L, I'd get about another 80-90 km (52-ish miles) out of it. Thing is, if I fill past the bottom, she struggles to start, I think it leads to issues with the canister.

yes, I have run it completely dry. 

[Kev m]

I fill to the bottom of the filler neck

<snip>

Yeah, it'll hold 22 litres, but the factory themselves warn not to fill above the bottom of the filler neck. It's about 18 litres from *EMPTY* to *BOTTOM OF FILLER*. If I could use that last 4L, I'd get about another 80-90 km (52-ish miles) out of it. Thing is, if I fill past the bottom, she struggles to start, I think it leads to issues with the canister.

yes, I have run it completely dry. 

Well, maybe I'm better at squeezing in more than just to the bottom of the neck, cause I believe I've put 5.0 gallons in which is more than 18L.

I never have starting problems, though it does run rough or want to stall the first few minutes after it starts.

[Cool Runnings]

Guzzi V7 vs Harley 750 vs Triumph Street Twin vs Honda Shadow

Honda is way cheaper!! 

[Toecutter]

"Well, maybe I'm better at squeezing in more than just to the bottom of the neck, cause I believe I've put 5.0 gallons in which is more than 18L.

I never have starting problems, though it does run rough or want to stall the first few minutes after it starts."



5 U.S. gallons works out to 18.9 litres. Since I've stopped "squeezing in" that extra little bit, my rough running and stalling has gone away, and my "hot weather start issue" (if the temps are over 24 degrees C, I have to start it and hold the throttle open the tiniest amount for a minute or two, or it will chug down and stall  after starting) has entirely vanished.

My issue is the factory claim of a "22 L" tank , and near 500 km ranges.

[Kev m]

I never have starting problems, though it does run rough or want to stall the first few minutes after it starts."

5 U.S. gallons works out to 18.9 litres. Since I've stopped "squeezing in" that extra little bit, my rough running and stalling has gone away, and my "hot weather start issue" (if the temps are over 24 degrees C, I have to start it and hold the throttle open the tiniest amount for a minute or two, or it will chug down and stall  after starting) has entirely vanished.

My cold starts (full or near empty tank) are all the same.

Starts right up, idles fine for a few seconds, then starts to hunt. I don't have to touch the throttle at all, as a matter of fact IF I DO it might stall (or if I try to let out the clutch it will probably stall).

But since that happens tank empty or full it doesn't seem to matter.

It also happens if I clamp off the purge line from the canister which seems like even better evidence.

YMMV

[bpreynolds]

Thankfully, I never had one single cold start nor running hiccups at all in 5k miles on my previous Stone.  Damnit I miss that bike.

[oldbike54]

Thankfully, I never had one single cold start nor running hiccups at all in 5k miles on my previous Stone.  Damnit I miss that bike.

 Price we pay for scratching that itch Bipper 

 Dusty