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New V 9 Guzzis
« on: May 25, 2016, 09:18:47 PM »
Hi to all.  I just finished reading the July 16 issue of Rider mag and the mostly complimentary article about the Roamer and Bobber.  The engine specs says 90 degree V twin which is correct but then SOHC 2 valves per cyl.  SOHC means overhead cam I believe.  Sure looks like a pushrod engine to me from the outside.  Any comments?
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Re: New V 9 Guzzis
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2016, 09:24:01 PM »
 Typo Wes , OHV , not SOHC . Common mistake in magazines .

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Re: New V 9 Guzzis
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2016, 09:27:27 PM »
Hi to all.  I just finished reading the July 16 issue of Rider mag and the mostly complimentary article about the Roamer and Bobber.  The engine specs says 90 degree V twin which is correct but then SOHC 2 valves per cyl.  SOHC means overhead cam I believe.  Sure looks like a pushrod engine to me from the outside.  Any comments?
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Re: New V 9 Guzzis
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2016, 07:52:44 AM »
Thanks for the confirmation that I'm not completely over the hill. 
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Re: New V 9 Guzzis
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2016, 12:54:15 PM »
Plenty more to come.

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Re: New V 9 Guzzis
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2016, 01:49:59 PM »
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My favorite thing is in the Cycle World article where they love the bike but mention "limited cornering clearance"...wha? I had it so far over this morning I could have easily been knee-down. I don't know how far they pushed it to discover the "Limited cornering clearance" but I'm suspecting that may have been a little literary license.

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Re: New V 9 Guzzis
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2016, 07:19:05 PM »
 What bike has "unlimited" cornering clearance?
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Re: New V 9 Guzzis
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2016, 07:21:32 PM »
What bike has "unlimited" cornering clearance?

 Velocipede ?

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Re: New V 9 Guzzis
« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2016, 09:43:09 PM »
 :rolleyes:

Here is a picture of MotoJournalists preparing for their Moto Guzzi first test ride. To compensate for the torque reaction of the wrong way mounted engine, the new rider must first learn to lean way over even when the engine is not running.

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Re: New V 9 Guzzis
« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2016, 05:19:41 AM »
"My favorite thing is in the Cycle World article where they love the bike but mention "limited cornering clearance"...wha?"
Have you read my report about the test ride I had on the V9 Roamer? The limited cornering clearance was exactly what caught me off guard. It is very inferior to that of my V7 Stone.
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Re: New V 9 Guzzis
« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2016, 08:05:36 AM »
Hi Wes!

You area Ducati man nowadays anyway!

Is that Scrambler still doing you well???

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Re: New V 9 Guzzis
« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2016, 08:13:42 AM »
Hi Wes!

You area Ducati man nowadays anyway!

Is that Scrambler still doing you well???

 Last time we visited he was going to sell it .

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Re: New V 9 Guzzis
« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2016, 08:53:52 AM »
WHAT!!???

As PYoung says, I thought the Scrambler was the Bee's Knees for Wes!

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Re: New V 9 Guzzis
« Reply #13 on: May 27, 2016, 09:05:54 AM »
WHAT!!???

As PYoung says, I thought the Scrambler was the Bee's Knees for Wes!

 We visited at our little Arkansas gathering in Mar and again at Cedar Vale . He said the scrambler just didn't suit him , he may change his mind , but the scrambler is too limited .

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Re: New V 9 Guzzis
« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2016, 11:59:11 AM »
I recently took a v9 Roamer out for a test ride.  It looks good, fit and finish is everything you have read about.  I had to follow the sales guy, so I was restricted to keeping it mostly legalish. 

The mid mount pegs are indeed a bit far forward from what I expected.  My v65 has what I would call mid mid mount pegs, these I would say are on the slightly forward edge of mid mounts, however I found them very comfortable, from the standpoint of aging knees!   Torque was ever present, throttle response what right on, and handling, for as far as I could test, was nice and neutral.  It does wick up faster than any other small block I have ridden.  I found the motor delightful, I didn't get past 65mph, and that was just for a moment.  Seat felt good, but I was only on it for 15 min.  Coming off the Big Breva, it felt very light, especially the front end.   The entire feel from the front end of the bike is that of a much lighter machine than the big block, perhaps most the small blocks feel about the same?  It wasn't bad, it just felt like the front end was much more "busy" dealing with the road.   I liked it, I want'ed to like it even more, but at 6'6" 250, I'm just not built to fit it.   The one concern that I had was the mid mount pegs, open up my legs enough that I felt my thigh muscles holding my knees into the machine, and if I let go, my legs would start to splay in the wind at higher speed; I suspect my legs would tire from muscle fatigue on long rides?

Over all, I felt it was a very nice motorcycle, just not for me.  I do wonder who Guzzi sees as the target market for this bike.  I think they will sell to mostly current Guzzi fans, who would appreciate Sportsterish type of ride, but done with Guzzi style and power.  Thats not exactly a big demo!   For 10K or less, you can get several more powerful, and yet off the beaten path bikes, Ie Scout 60, Victory, Triumph.   I hope I'm wrong, but I think it may be to little to late, for the market place.
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Re: New V 9 Guzzis
« Reply #15 on: May 27, 2016, 12:22:18 PM »
We visited at our little Arkansas gathering in Mar and again at Cedar Vale . He said the scrambler just didn't suit him , he may change his mind , but the scrambler is too limited .

 Dusty

I hooked him up with a custom-lowered Quota a few years ago and he didn't like that either.

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Re: New V 9 Guzzis
« Reply #16 on: May 27, 2016, 12:37:50 PM »
"Over all, I felt it was a very nice motorcycle, just not for me.  I do wonder who Guzzi sees as the target market for this bike.  I think they will sell to mostly current Guzzi fans, who would appreciate Sportsterish type of ride, but done with Guzzi style and power.  Thats not exactly a big demo!   For 10K or less, you can get several more powerful, and yet off the beaten path bikes, Ie Scout 60, Victory, Triumph.   I hope I'm wrong, but I think it may be to little to late, for the market place."

I think you're way off. The market for this type of bike is ruling the scene right now. Standard style, modern-retro bikes are shit-hot. Triumph Street Twins and bonnies, Duc Scrambler, Guzzi V-7... these are market leaders, and they'er definitely the "style" of bike that's in demand right now. I think it will do well. The V-7 isn't selling mostly to "existing" Guzzi fans, it's just... selling.

Nah, I think it's going to do well.

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Re: New V 9 Guzzis
« Reply #17 on: May 27, 2016, 04:23:33 PM »
Maybe I am off on this.  I'm just pointing out you can buy more for significantly less from Triumph, Victory, or Scout,.

The market is red hot, but is it hot enough for a $10,000 Guzzi?
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Re: New V 9 Guzzis
« Reply #18 on: May 27, 2016, 05:20:27 PM »
Maybe I am off on this.  I'm just pointing out you can buy more for significantly less from Triumph, Victory, or Scout,.

The market is red hot, but is it hot enough for a $10,000 Guzzi?

Indian Scout - 1100cc - msrp $11299
Victory Octane - 1200cc - msrp $10,500
Triumph T120 - 1200cc - msrp $11,500

V9 Roamer - 850cc - msrp $9990
V9 Bobber - 850cc - msrp $10,490

Triumph Street - 900cc - msrp $8700
Indian Scout 60 - 1000cc - msrp $8999


I mean, I guess I see where you're going with it.

BUT BUT BUT - the Scout is a pretty different thing from a height/ergonomic perspective.

The Scout AND the T120 are a decent bit heavier, the Scout over 100# heavier, the T120 at least 50#

The Triumph Street is really the CLOSEST competitor and it is still heavier.

Now I think the Street is strikingly nice in person and it is probably a decent value, but it's not making any more hp than the V9, and it's got a chain and more complicated maintenance. Yeah, it's a little cheaper, but within about $1k of the Roamer.

I dunno... the V9 series is sorta in the middle, but maybe a nice middle ground to occupy.
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Re: New V 9 Guzzis
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Re: New V 9 Guzzis
« Reply #20 on: May 27, 2016, 06:47:39 PM »
Right, for $500 more you can get a far more powerful bike, that is still different enough to appeal to a guy/girl who doesn't want a Sportster.

The Street Twin, is indeed the closest head on comp, and it's a min of $1300 cheaper.

Like I said, I hope I'm wrong.  I like the v9, I hope it sells in big numbers.
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Re: New V 9 Guzzis
« Reply #21 on: May 27, 2016, 06:51:19 PM »
Yeah but I don't know that the Sportster guy is interested in a Scout/Octane, whereas he might be in the V9.

And yeah the Street Twin might be cheaper, but not by much and you get less.

I dunno, but then again I gave up a B11 for my V7. So power isn't everything.
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Re: New V 9 Guzzis
« Reply #22 on: May 27, 2016, 07:15:47 PM »
Is this the official V9 thread now?  I've been chasing it all over this forum!

I'm close to pulling the trigger on a V9.  Just waiting for them to hit our shores in CA, and for my 9T to sell, which both will probably happen within the next couple weeks. 

If the V9 was a better value than the Triumph, then the streets would probably be full of V9's, and then I wouldn't want it.  It's an odd mix of desires, wanting Guzzi to be popular enough to stay in business, but only just . . .

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Re: New V 9 Guzzis
« Reply #23 on: May 27, 2016, 07:41:21 PM »
..."you get less."   Not sure what you mean, what "less" don't you get?
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Re: New V 9 Guzzis
« Reply #24 on: May 27, 2016, 07:45:33 PM »
"better value" is a moving target, and all depends on what one values.

Me: I'd take a V7 or a V9 with V7 tank.

Jenn: probably prefers the Street Twin.

And since we've already got a V7...
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Re: New V 9 Guzzis
« Reply #25 on: May 27, 2016, 07:46:14 PM »
Kev said, "Yeah but I don't know that the Sportster guy is interested in a Scout/Octane, whereas he might be in the V9."

Maybe, but why would a Sportster guy want to buy a v9?  It is significantly less weight, and it has more electronic aids, but does that really mater to the typical Sportster guy?

I think Guzzi is aiming at younger Hipster types as their core demo.  I just wonder how many of that demo have 10K to drop on a Guzzi?  I guess we will know in a few months.
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Re: New V 9 Guzzis
« Reply #26 on: May 27, 2016, 07:48:09 PM »
Anyway, if I wasn't so dam large, I would buy a v9, I just like them!
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Re: New V 9 Guzzis
« Reply #27 on: May 27, 2016, 07:55:38 PM »
Kev said, "Yeah but I don't know that the Sportster guy is interested in a Scout/Octane, whereas he might be in the V9."

Maybe, but why would a Sportster guy want to buy a v9?  It is significantly less weight, and it has more electronic aids, but does that really mater to the typical Sportster guy?

I think Guzzi is aiming at younger Hipster types as their core demo.  I just wonder how many of that demo have 10K to drop on a Guzzi?  I guess we will know in a few months.

A number of Sportster guys ARE young hipsters.

And most value things like:

Air cooling
Simplicity
Style

That bobber and unique tank shape will appeal to some.

To that end, I SUSPECT most Sportster guys lookin for something a little different would rather the V9 than Scout/Octane.

There's a of animosity towards the Scout at the XL forum, but most Guzzis are well received.
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Re: New V 9 Guzzis
« Reply #28 on: May 27, 2016, 07:58:03 PM »
Anyway, if I wasn't so dam large, I would buy a v9, I just like them!

Me too, but I could anyway cause I'm more compact.
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Re: New V 9 Guzzis
« Reply #29 on: May 27, 2016, 08:53:03 PM »
The Rider article also mentions that the V9's have upsidedown forks, not sure I can see those forks in the photos...small technical issue with their text.  Overall they seemed to like the bikes.
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