New MGS01

[oldbike54]

 What about those of us who prefer beat up Italian not-so-exotica 

 Dusty

[rocker59]

What about those of us who prefer beat up Italian not-so-exotica 

 Dusty

Every Guzzi is Italian Exotica...  Even rat-rod customs, like yours!

[oldbike54]

Every Guzzi is Italian Exotica...  Even rat-rod customs, like yours!

 Funny , one of the sport bikers I rode with yesterday seemed pretty impressed with my "rat rod" , at our second stop he was wide eyed and said "how are you keeping up?"

 Dusty

[Penderic]

Something to do with international agreements: The US and Canada licencing systems will check the manufacturer VIN number that is stamped on the product built at the factory with the correct certified DOT components ....

Many foreign VIN sequences are not allowed to enter in either country, or if smuggled in, are not allowed to be registered for use on public roads.

Exemptions are temporary and are limited to trade show events or research and such.

[Tom]

I assume there's a title.  Where there's a will there's a way.

Ad says a Manufacturers Statement of Origin (MSO) is included.  It would have to be turned into a state for a title and registration.  The bike would lose value once it's titled.  It automatically becomes used without having any mileage put on it.

[Tom]

Tom,

There are several MGS-01s registered and tagged in the USA.

Just takes a little effort.

They have dealer plates?  Having a title and registration in one state doesn't automatically make it legal in another state.  Use to inspect and submit title applications for vehicles that came into the U.S. through the gray market.  Canada etc.  We inspected like California for entry into the U.S., parts per year of manufacture, compliance to U.S. FED DOT and EPA regs.  The owners would have to comply and/or not be able to register for street use. 

If this bike would to be registered and titled in the U.S..  It would lose value.

[rocker59]

They have dealer plates?  Having a title and registration in one state doesn't automatically make it legal in another state.  Use to inspect and submit title applications for vehicles that came into the U.S. through the gray market.  Canada etc.  We inspected like California for entry into the U.S., parts per year of manufacture, compliance to U.S. FED DOT and EPA regs.  The owners would have to comply and/or not be able to register for street use. 

If this bike would to be registered and titled in the U.S..  It would lose value.

Yeah.  Can't be done.  Especially in California.  And absolutely not in the Bay Area. 

[Tom]

Of course that doesn't mean that someone could put a Spot's plate or Daytona plate on a MGS01.

[Mark West]

I lost interest when I found out that it couldn't be licensed for the street and I was seriously looking.

I'm sure it varies by state but someone here in CA has one that he registered and said it was a piece of cake. he mounted some lights behind the mesh grills in the fairing and put some microscopic turn signals on it. Took it to the DMV to get it checked out and that was all it took.

From more than a few feet away, the changes weren't noticeable.

[rocker59]

Of course that doesn't mean that someone could put a Spot's plate or Daytona plate on a MGS01.

 :Beating_A_Dead_Hors e_by_liviu

[Tom]

Buying a Vehicle From Out of State - Can You Register it in California? (FFVR 29)

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The Bottom Line

If you are a California resident and acquire a new car, truck, or motorcycle from another state, it must be certified to meet California smog laws to be registered in California. This includes certain diesel-powered vehicles. DMV cannot accept an application to register a vehicle in California that does not qualify for registration (California Health and Safety Code §§43150 - 43156).
What Is Considered a New Vehicle?

California considers any vehicle with less than 7,500 miles on the odometer at the time of purchase or trade by a California resident or business, to be a new vehicle. This is true whether or not the vehicle has been registered in another state.

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Not all new vehicles are manufactured to be sold in California. Many manufacturers make vehicles to be sold only in the other 49 states. These vehicles (49-state) are made with smog equipment that meets federal emission standards, but not California standards. California-certified (50-state) vehicles are made to be sold in California.
Check the Label

To find out whether a car, truck, or motorcycle is California certified, check the emission label under the hood. For a motorcycle, check the frame or refer to your owner' s manual for the location. The label should read that the vehicle conforms to California regulations, or that it is legal for sale in California.
Exemptions

There are a few exemptions to the law. As a California resident, you may be able to register a 49-state vehicle if it was:

    Obtained as part of a divorce, inheritance, or legal separation settlement.
    Purchased to replace your California-registered vehicle that was stolen while you were using the vehicle out-of-state.
    Purchased to replace your California-registered vehicle that was destroyed or made inoperative beyond reasonable repair while you were using the vehicle out of state.
    An emergency vehicle, pursuant to California Vehicle Code § §27156.2 and 27156.3.
    Registered by you in the state of your last active military service outside California.
    A street motorcycle or motor-driven cycle year model 2005 and older, with an engine less than 50 cubic centimeters (cc) displacement. Beginning January 1, 2006, street motorcycles and motor-driven cycles year model 2006 and newer, with engines less than 50 cc displacement, require an emission label certifying them to meet U.S. Environmental Protection Agency emission regulations, and may be registered regardless of mileage.

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Vehicles Purchased From Out of the Country (Grey Market)

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[rocker59]

Tom,

You're quite the "by the book" guy.  Never really knew that.   

What you have posted doesn't really matter, because there are several MGS-01s in the wild, terrorizing the streets of Our Country...  Legally...

As was said earlier, "where there's a will, there's a way"...

 

[Tom]

Hey...if they were able to register at the time and put it on the street then some regs. were bypassed.  As for the by the book thinking, that was the job at the time.  One reason for not registering and titling is the tax man.  They want their money.

MSO for this bike means that if now if someone is able to title and register in CA, AZ and others full MSRP is used to calculate the license fees.  Wanna bet it'll be more than a car?  Some states base it on sale price.  Wonder what it would be in some states that base their reg. fees on sales price and proof of it? 

[Tom]

I was interested in that bike too but the narrow market it was made for didn't seem to make widely available for the general consumption.

[rocker59]

 :copcar:8

Hey...if they were able to register at the time and put it on the street then some regs. were bypassed.  As for the by the book thinking, that was the job at the time.  One reason for not registering and titling is the tax man.  They want their money.

MSO for this bike means that if now if someone is able to title and register in CA, AZ and others full MSRP is used to calculate the license fees.  Wanna bet it'll be more than a car?  Some states base it on sale price.  Wonder what it would be in some states that base their reg. fees on sales price and proof of it?

I don't think it would matter to someone who could afford to buy it. However in my state 6% sales tax on the purchase price of the vehicle then $9.90 per year to keep a motorcycle tagged. That's it

[Tom]

Okay did some checking.  MO. registration is based on 4.225% sales tax plus $11 reg. fee.  So that makes it about $2500 for your plates and title.  HI would charge about $100 and the sales tax if not paid in another state.  So about $2600.  AZ and CA you'd have to pay about 60% of MSRP which lowers every year thereafter at about 16%.  At least it's not 60% of $59000.00 then 16.25% of that.  and yes if one has the money to burn.

Would I put my Daytona/RS/1100 Sport plate on a MGS01.  Since I don't work for Motor Vehicle anymore......well I'm not admitting to anything. 

CORRECTION.  For AZ and CA then the 60% is reduced to 16.25% per year.  So that makes it about $2800 for your plate.

[Tom]

:copcar:8
I don't think it would matter to someone who could afford to buy it. However in my state 6% sales tax on the purchase price of the vehicle then $9.90 per year to keep a motorcycle tagged. That's it

$3500 for one year.

[Mark West]

Marty's Street legal MGS-01. Taken at the Alameda All Italian Day show, 2008.

[rocker59]

$3500 for one year.

You're not following me.  Sales tax on the purchase price is a one-time deal here.

There is a nominal personal property tax on cars, motorcycles, and trailers, but it's nominal.

It costs $9.90 per year to keep any motorcycle tagged in Arkansas, and there are no annual inspections.

[Tom]

Sorry, should have put $3500 first year for sales tax then whatever per your state reg. fees.

[Cam3512]

I lost interest when I found out that it couldn't be licensed for the street and I was seriously looking.

Lost interest?  As if it was street legal you'd plunk down the cash?  Anyone that can afford to buy the bike won't sweat any additional fees.

I call BS.

[Tom]

Had the credit and cash available at the time.  Because it was not legal, I lost interest.  I had to look at the dates.  Might be possible now to do a grey market transfer.  You can call it BS but I know what was possible at the time. 

I bought a LM V11 Sport Negro Corsa, SP1000NT, 1000S green, 1000 Le Mans V, 1100Sporti, Daytona RS and a Buell ST3 Thunderbolt.  Would I buy one bike maybe but I opted for the other bikes to round out the collection.  Still have all of them too.  If you're interested, I bought a number from Curtis & Mike Harper.  2 bikes from Ed Milich before he broke up with Alice.  Zoom Zoom can can confirm the SP1000NT.   

[Matteo]

Did well in Italian twins racing in its day 131 total production across five years, stunning build quality, it is the fastest thing to ever roll out of Guzzi's doors including things like the 500 V8 and since when were bikes supposed to be a rational purchase anyway? Guzzi would of died long ago if that were the case.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bOSr_xmJ7jM

He won BOTT two years in a row at Daytona.

[Murray]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bOSr_xmJ7jM

He won BOTT two years in a row at Daytona.

When your day job is test riding for a Mr C. Stoner you're probably pretty handy although the second win was with an after market BB1 motor.

[Arizona Wayne]

He's had this bike for 12 years and is trying to triple what he paid for it.  There is 1 street legal on the streets of the SF Bay area.  Used to come to our monthly Winters breakfasts some times.      Some times that owner responds on here.  Apparently that is Marty.  Met him twice but never remembered his name or maybe he didn't want it known.  If you knew some people @ X DMV office like he did you can get this done, technically legal or not.  Just like some street legal  2 stroke 500cc Yamahas, Suzukis multi cylinders in Calif. which were never supposed to be.

[Tom]

I'd rather say that it should/can't be licensed and title for the street then say there is one licensed for the street and you can get this one licensed too.  If Marty had connections and "gamed" the system to get his title and licensed then good for him but you know what happens when someone else expects the same.  A closer look at procedures and maybe a "favor" was in play.

[Cam3512]

I'd rather say that it should/can't be licensed and title for the street then say there is one licensed for the street and you can get this one licensed too.  If Marty had connections and "gamed" the system to get his title and licensed then good for him but you know what happens when someone else expects the same.  A closer look at procedures and maybe a "favor" was in play.

Norge Pilot, that you?

[oldbike54]

 Ouch . LOL .

 Dusty

[Tom]

 :Beating_A_Dead_Hors e_by_liviu  One thing I do know with state/county governments.  The higher ups don't like when the squeaky wheel gets louder.  They look to silence it by closer scrutiny in procedures and retroactive corrective measures.  May not have been the recipient of the "misdeed" but personnel involved.  Hopefully, they retire before a closer look so no punitive measures are taken. 

They busted a bunch of Driver License Examiners in Honolulu for bribe taking.   

[rocker59]

Norge Pilot, that you?