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Real Lemans 2 ? ser # and photo
« on: August 21, 2016, 09:36:07 AM »
I have a chance to pick this bike up for a reasonable price, most of the stock pieces are gone, engine has apparently been rebuilt with Arias pistons, rennsport 1102 super sport cam,lightened fly wheel,mikuni 38 mm flat slide TM carbs, double plugged head with dyna ignition, Dymag magnesium wheels, Magni Parallelogram swing arm, Brembo 4 piston Calipers,,,, it's being sold as a 1982 Lemans 2,,, the ser # is VE24394.

Most of what makes it a Lemans 2 has been removed, and gone,,, the ser #s listed on Guzzitech for the bike show it should be VE 17312 VE 24086,,, so this ser has the right prefix VE but is out of the number range by 300 approx,,, it would have been an original Canadian import bike.

What's the learned opinion out there,,, Is a Lemans 2 still a worthwhile investment, when most of the original bits are gone,,, were the VE prefixes only used on Lemans 2's,, or this this possibly an 850 clone?

How hard is it to locate an original or copy seat pan for the Lemans?






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Re: Real Lemans 2 ? ser # and photo
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2016, 10:22:57 AM »
If you like it as a rider, then go for it. As far as I'm concerned from a historical perspective, there's no Lemans 2 there. <shrug>
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Re: Real Lemans 2 ? ser # and photo
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2016, 10:32:19 AM »
"How hard is it to locate an original or copy seat pan for the Lemans?"

Not that hard to find, keep an eye on eBay as they come up fairly regularly, front fender can be found at MG cycle. 
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Re: Real Lemans 2 ? ser # and photo
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2016, 10:35:00 AM »
If you like it as a rider, then go for it. As far as I'm concerned from a historical perspective, there's no Lemans 2 there. <shrug>

Tks for the reply Chuck,,, for riding I'm enjoying my DL1000 & DR650 more and more as time goes by,,always looking for a nicer more comfortable ride,,, I do have an old MG G5, that I will gradually redo and put on the road.

The asking price for this Lemans 2 was only 2500,,, it would purely be an investment, possibly long term,, nothing more

The reason I was asking about the availability of seat pans,,, I do have a spare seat already on hand from when I put the Stuchi on my CX100,, but I do realize that without the side covers and rear fender,, the stock seat would probably look a little out of place.

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Re: Real Lemans 2 ? ser # and photo
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2016, 10:44:59 AM »
"How hard is it to locate an original or copy seat pan for the Lemans?"

Not that hard to find, keep an eye on eBay as they come up fairly regularly, front fender can be found at MG cycle.

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Re: Real Lemans 2 ? ser # and photo
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2016, 10:55:22 AM »
basically it shouldnt be hard to make it look like a nice le mans 2
bodyparts/wheels are still easy to find, as loads of le mans 2 have been turned into fake le mans 1 , or a cafe racers.
the parts you remove should be easy to shift, loads of cafe racer builders around.
 
i should have the seat pan, mudguard,  side covers and wheels, left overs from the Restauration of my own le mans 2



but i am in europe , so postage is probably way too expensive

anyway, at 2500 you cant go wrong, just the heads fetch half of that...

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Re: Real Lemans 2 ? ser # and photo
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2016, 11:07:13 AM »
basically it shouldnt be hard to make it look like a nice le mans 2
bodyparts/wheels are still easy to find, as loads of le mans 2 have been turned into fake le mans 1 , or a cafe racers.
the parts you remove should be easy to shift, loads of cafe racer builders around.
 
i should have the seat pan, mudguard,  side covers and wheels, left overs from the Restauration of my own le mans 2



but i am in europe , so postage is probably way too expensive

anyway, at 2500 you cant go wrong, just the heads fetch half of that...

I've seen pictures of your bike before,,, very nice, well done. my CX is almost a twin but in red

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Re: Real Lemans 2 ? ser # and photo
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2016, 12:26:24 PM »
Rear frame rails look chopped in the pictures, are they?   If you are looking for an investment, look elsewhere. To much has been screwed with.
I'd buy it for $2,500 with out a second thought. It'll make a fun rider.
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« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2016, 12:27:16 PM »
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Re: Real Lemans 2 ? ser # and photo
« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2016, 01:21:09 PM »
Rear frame rails look chopped in the pictures, are they?   If you are looking for an investment, look elsewhere. To much has been screwed with.
I'd buy it for $2,500 with out a second thought. It'll make a fun rider.

Good eye, upon speaking with the owner,, the rear frame has been chopped,,, throws my idea of getting a seat pan and using my spare seat out the window

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Re: Real Lemans 2 ? ser # and photo
« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2016, 01:25:27 PM »
Good eye, upon speaking with the owner,, the rear frame has been chopped,,, throws my idea of getting a seat pan and using my spare seat out the window

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You can pick up an old frame for little money, chop off the rails and have them welded back. But then this is turning into a money pit so you will have to get the seller down in the price or just leave it as is.
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Re: Real Lemans 2 ? ser # and photo
« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2016, 01:28:01 PM »


The asking price for this Lemans 2 was only 2500,,, it would purely be an investment, possibly long term,, nothing more



That bike will never be an appreciating investment at any price, I'm afraid.   There will always be nice stock unmolested ones that will be the ones appreciating.   

This one might be a good rider, but I doubt if it will ever be worth more that what you pay for it.

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Re: Real Lemans 2 ? ser # and photo
« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2016, 01:36:28 PM »
This looks like it would someone a great rider. Why not let it pass and let someone who wants to ride a real Guzzi sport bike enjoy it?

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Re: Real Lemans 2 ? ser # and photo
« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2016, 02:10:19 PM »
Forks look off, but that could be the wheel/fender/fork gaiter combo throwing my eyes off. That Frankenstein BUB headpipe / V-11 sport exhaust has to go.
I'm a bit confused as to why one would go to all of the expense of fitting a magni swingarm , dymag wheels, all of that engine work, and then throwing together and installing a crap set of pipes like that. A descent exhaust, tail section from airtech and a paint job would do wonders for this poor thing.
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Re: Real Lemans 2 ? ser # and photo
« Reply #15 on: August 21, 2016, 02:31:07 PM »
http://www.mgcycle.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=291&products_id=3197

MG Cycle sells a repro rear fender.

I know it's an early 850 LeMans.  But wouldn't it work if frame rails weren't chopped?
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Re: Real Lemans 2 ? ser # and photo
« Reply #16 on: August 21, 2016, 02:41:45 PM »
I know it's an early 850 LeMans.  But wouldn't it work if frame rails weren't chopped?

If the frame rails aren't chopped or are restored to stock length, then yes, that rear fender would work. It wouldn't however be "correct" for a Le Mans II because of the taillight mounting area.
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Re: Real Lemans 2 ? ser # and photo
« Reply #17 on: August 21, 2016, 03:23:29 PM »
Like I said in the first post.. it's not a LeMans 2 any more, and to my mind "investment" means original unmolested, or can be made original without much work. Sure, you *could* make it into a LeMans 2, but you'd have more money in it than it would ever be worth. Just MHO.
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Re: Real Lemans 2 ? ser # and photo
« Reply #18 on: August 21, 2016, 04:13:02 PM »
Forks look off, but that could be the wheel/fender/fork gaiter combo throwing my eyes off. That Frankenstein BUB headpipe / V-11 sport exhaust has to go.
I'm a bit confused as to why one would go to all of the expense of fitting a magni swingarm , dymag wheels, all of that engine work, and then throwing together and installing a crap set of pipes like that. A descent exhaust, tail section from airtech and a paint job would do wonders for this poor thing.

Good eye,, the forks are 38 or 40? Marzochi sp? off another bike,,,

The exhaust are Hindle cans and Lang Hindle (exhaust guru/god in Canadian MC racing) came up with the measurements and design himself, then built by the owner, fwiw, (he does apparently have very good fabricating skills,, he also did the fork brace)
 
I agree,,, as soon as I saw it,,, I thought ouch!,,, but then I remembered my spare seat(just missing a pan),,, and pictured the bike without the garish seat, and a nice solid red paint color,,, and figured if it was a legit Lemans 2 for 2500, it would be a safe investment.

The owner seems very knowledgeable,, states he has owned the bike for over 30 yrs,,, he was talking all the right names for people in the hard core racing community up in this part of Canada,, mechanics, machinist etc involved in work or advice in the mods,,, claims to have talked to Dr John personally a few times during the build,,, and one of the Magni son's on a few occasions(I thought only the Pope ever spoke to those guys lol),,,

I'm starting to think it might have been a campaigned race bike,,, definitely sounds like she spent a lifetime ridden hard and pushing the limits of her design.

Personally,,, I think he got a bit too carried away, trying to capture his Dr John theme to the extreme.

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Re: Real Lemans 2 ? ser # and photo
« Reply #19 on: August 21, 2016, 04:24:44 PM »
This looks like it would someone a great rider. Why not let it pass and let someone who wants to ride a real Guzzi sport bike enjoy it?

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You're absolutely right,,, a young guy with a good back and neck, wanting a nice vintage ride would probably do well with it.

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Re: Real Lemans 2 ? ser # and photo
« Reply #20 on: August 21, 2016, 04:37:52 PM »
Like I said in the first post.. it's not a LeMans 2 any more, and to my mind "investment" means original unmolested, or can be made original without much work. Sure, you *could* make it into a LeMans 2, but you'd have more money in it than it would ever be worth. Just MHO.

As I talked with the owner, almost every single unique Lemans piece has been removed, seemed very unusual, didn't make sense to me,,, but from the parts list that has gone into it,,, sounds like it has had some serious coin and work thrown at it over the years,,, but all of that means zero to me, stock would suit me just fine,,, and you're absolutely right, zero to a future investor, if the Lemans 2 is no longer there.

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« Reply #21 on: August 21, 2016, 04:57:10 PM »
From what little I've learn is that published serial numbers should be used as a guide, not gospel.
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Re: Real Lemans 2 ? ser # and photo
« Reply #22 on: August 21, 2016, 06:20:28 PM »
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The exhaust are Hindle cans and Lang Hindle (exhaust guru/god in Canadian MC racing) came up with the measurements and design himself, then built by the owner, fwiw, (he does apparently have very good fabricating skills,, he also did the fork brace)

Might be Hindle cans, but I'm calling BS on that exhaust story. That is a BUB headpipe with what looks like a V11 Sport lower section welded together. between the two is a connecting pipe that was bent at a muffler shop, look close at that bend.

 I'm not trying to be a jerk, but something is not adding up here.
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Re: Real Lemans 2 ? ser # and photo
« Reply #23 on: August 21, 2016, 07:13:05 PM »
Might be Hindle cans, but I'm calling BS on that exhaust story. That is a BUB headpipe with what looks like a V11 Sport lower section welded together. between the two is a connecting pipe that was bent at a muffler shop, look close at that bend.

 I'm not trying to be a jerk, but something is not adding up here.

I had asked him about the header pipes, he did state they were Bubs,,, but that Lang Hindle had taken all his engine mod specs into account, and recommended a 34"-36" exhaust length to the muffler for the best performance,,, I got the impression that was the reasoning for the the extra length at the 2nd welded cross over. fwiw

I agree something doesn't add up,,, he did state that he worked in a bike shop when he was younger,,, could this have been a total rebuild crash/burn bike back in the day?,,, or were his bike parts used to rebuild a write off Lemans 1?,,, another unsolved mystery perhaps,lol.

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Re: Real Lemans 2 ? ser # and photo
« Reply #24 on: August 21, 2016, 07:34:17 PM »
If it runs well and the title is good, I'd still pay the $2,500. It has a lot of potential for a "special".
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Re: Real Lemans 2 ? ser # and photo
« Reply #25 on: August 21, 2016, 07:40:03 PM »
I'll buy that for 2500 no problem. Just tell me who to call!
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Re: Real Lemans 2 ? ser # and photo
« Reply #26 on: August 22, 2016, 11:56:25 AM »
Yes, I'd buy it for $2500, where is it?  I'm missing my 850 Lemans majorly! Any of that "incorrect" stuff doesn't bother me in the least.  The fork is probably an improvement.

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Re: Real Lemans 2 ? ser # and photo
« Reply #27 on: August 24, 2016, 09:47:07 AM »
"How hard is it to locate an original or copy seat pan for the Lemans?"

Not that hard to find, keep an eye on eBay as they come up fairly regularly, front fender can be found at MG cycle.
I've got an original seat in good condition if you want to make an offer. It's surplus so will let it go cheap plus postage.

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Re: Real Lemans 2 ? ser # and photo
« Reply #28 on: August 24, 2016, 03:39:59 PM »
Don't know what your intention is for this LM II whether for riding looks or riding comfort but I've had a `81 CX100 for over 30 years and put almost 100K miles on it 1 & 2 up.  That original seat is uncomfortable and I put a Corbin gunfighter & lady on mine decades ago.  There are also other decent solo euro seats available for them too.  Riding on that stock seat is like riding on a 2X4 piece of wood!  :evil:

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Re: Real Lemans 2 ? ser # and photo
« Reply #29 on: August 24, 2016, 04:47:25 PM »
From the patina of the head pipes they could be off a newer model bike.
I could be wrong, but they look right.
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