Author Topic: Union Pacific 844 Steam engine to tour later this month - cool video (NGC) (Read 7639 times)

Gliderjohn · « **on:** October 10, 2016, 08:09:53 PM »

Comes twice through Kansas. Have to try and see this thing live.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eaM5pAf1ao
Here is the schedule: http://www.up.com/aboutup/special_trains/steam/details.shtml
GliderJohn

ken farr · « **Reply #1 on:** October 10, 2016, 10:57:34 PM »

Just too, too cool.

I can't imagine what it would be like to be able to be in the cab, see what it takes to operate the engine.

I have always wondered, what is the purpose for the "fairings" along the front side of the engine? I see them on European engines also.

Thanks, that was cool.

kjf

Demar · « **Reply #2 on:** October 10, 2016, 11:23:47 PM »

Cool

In the early 2000's I was able to ride behind 4449 from Sacramento to Oakland and back.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=sp+daylight&&view=detail&mid=2099AFD0501DF7EBF4512099AFD0501DF7EBF451&FORM=VRDGAR

Two Checks · « **Reply #3 on:** October 11, 2016, 05:45:14 AM »

Those fairings direct air upwards to route smoke up and away from the cab.

Scud · « **Reply #4 on:** October 11, 2016, 06:45:09 AM »

That thing pulls like a Moto Guzzi.

Chuck in Indiana · « **Reply #5 on:** October 11, 2016, 07:01:31 AM »

Quote from: Scud on October 11, 2016, 06:45:09 AM

That thing pulls like a Moto Guzzi.

Mark Dasher · « **Reply #6 on:** October 11, 2016, 09:32:04 AM »

Gotta love steam power! Thanks for sharing that! Here's the Heisler gear driven steam locomotive with a Guzzi style Vee cylinder configuration:

http://www.sierrascalemodels.com/Gallery/Rainier/Heisler.htm

Action video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snCnlZm178o

Two Checks · « **Reply #7 on:** October 11, 2016, 09:33:54 AM »

Hot dogs! It will be in my area the 18th and I will be off work that day!

Triple Jim · « **Reply #8 on:** October 11, 2016, 09:42:27 AM »

I was curious about the speed of the train in the video, so... 80" driver wheels, running about 5 turns/second = 71 mph.

https://www.up.com/aboutup/special_trains/steam/locomotives/844.shtml

PeteS · « **Reply #9 on:** October 11, 2016, 09:59:56 AM »

Quote from: Two Checks on October 11, 2016, 05:45:14 AM

Those fairings direct air upwards to route smoke up and away from the cab.

Thats what I thought also but recently learned they were there to reduce turbulence around the cab. Most folks I know refer to them as smoke deflectors.

Pete

Antietam Classic Cycle · « **Reply #10 on:** October 11, 2016, 10:00:53 AM »

Quote from: Mark Dasher on October 11, 2016, 09:32:04 AM

Gotta love steam power! Thanks for sharing that! Here's the Heisler gear driven steam locomotive with a Guzzi style Vee cylinder configuration:

http://www.sierrascalemodels.com/Gallery/Rainier/Heisler.htm

Action video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snCnlZm178o

Cass Scenic RR in WV has a Heisler, currently on loan to the D&GV RR and used on the "Durbin Rocket". I have one too... in HO gauge, made in Italy by Rivarossi.

Two Checks · « **Reply #11 on:** October 11, 2016, 10:03:46 AM »

Quote from: PeteS on October 11, 2016, 09:59:56 AM

Thats what I thought also but recently learned they were there to reduce turbulence around the cab. Most folks I know refer to them as smoke deflectors.

Pete

I have also heard them called "elephant ears".

PeteS · « **Reply #12 on:** October 11, 2016, 10:08:24 AM »

Quote from: Triple Jim on October 11, 2016, 09:42:27 AM

I was curious about the speed of the train in the video, so... 80" driver wheels, running about 5 turns/second = 71 mph.

https://www.up.com/aboutup/special_trains/steam/locomotives/844.shtml

Here is a great video of Southern Pacific 4449, another 4-8-4. In it the engineer talks about the reciprocating mass being about 4,000lbs moving at this 5 rps. Consider also both these engines could exceed 100 MPH pulling a dozen or more passenger cars and did so many times while trying to maintain a schedule.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmF-GTpTzZY

Pete

Mark Dasher · « **Reply #13 on:** October 11, 2016, 10:14:06 AM »

Quote from: Antietam Classic Cycle on October 11, 2016, 10:00:53 AM

Cass Scenic RR in WV has a Heisler, currently on loan to the D&GV RR and used on the "Durbin Rocket". I have one too... in HO gauge, made in Italy by Rivarossi.

Charlie, I thought that the Cass RR used a Shay locomotive? Unless you mean they have a Heisler as well? I've been meaning to go over there again and do some "leaf peeping"!

--Mark

PeteS · « **Reply #14 on:** October 11, 2016, 10:21:01 AM »

Cass has multiple Shays and at least one Heisler. Just up the road in Durbin they run a Climax.

Pete

AMGeneral · « **Reply #15 on:** October 11, 2016, 11:09:49 AM »

Yep, taking my dad on a road trip to KC while it is on display this sunday. UP is also restoring a Big Boy. Now that one will be a sight.

Antietam Classic Cycle · « **Reply #16 on:** October 11, 2016, 11:16:17 AM »

Quote from: PeteS on October 11, 2016, 10:21:01 AM

Cass has multiple Shays and at least one Heisler. Just up the road in Durbin they run a Climax.

The Climax from Durbin has been moved to the Cass shops and is being repaired alongside Cass's own Climax that is being restored. The Heisler from Cass is filling in for the Climax at Durbin.

From Facebook:

Casshews Andrew Kennedy and David White look over Climax Nos. 3 and 6 as the two locomotives occupy the same space for the first time in decades...if such a moment ever happened during their careers for Moore-Keppel & Co. at all. Both locomotives had significantly different dispositions after their respective careers at Ellamore, making it all the more incredible that this scene could happen in the 21st Century.

Antietam Classic Cycle · « **Reply #17 on:** October 11, 2016, 11:20:04 AM »

Quote from: Mark Dasher on October 11, 2016, 10:14:06 AM

Charlie, I thought that the Cass RR used a Shay locomotive? Unless you mean they have a Heisler as well? I've been meaning to go over there again and do some "leaf peeping"!

--Mark

Yes, Cass is predominantly Shay, but has a Heisler (now at Durbin) and a Climax under restoration. The Climax from Durbin is also now at Cass Shops for repair.

The Heisler going for a little ride:

Chase Gunnoe

April 13 ·

Greetings from Cass! Today, the Durbin & Greenbrier Valley Railroad is moving Heisler No. 6 from Cass to Durbin where it will operate on the railroad's Durbin Rocket for the 2016 operating season. While the Heisler powers the Rocket, Moore & Keppel Climax No. 3 will undergo restoration at the Cass Shops.

Demar · « **Reply #18 on:** October 11, 2016, 11:43:51 AM »

About 30 years ago I became very interested in Live Steam. I've collected a number of casting sets to fab 1-1/2" scale locomotives and two casting sets for a marine compound engine to power a 25' steam launch..... retirement projects. I've completed a few parts over the years. I belong to the Golden Gate Live Steamers http://goldengatels.org/

There are clubs across the US and worldwide.

Marine engine..... AVL steam engine https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=avl+steam+engine&&view=detail&mid=DCAD15EA5CE69D98BFBEDCAD15EA5CE69D98BFBE&FORM=VRDGAR

HDGoose · « **Reply #19 on:** October 11, 2016, 12:19:00 PM »

Quote from: AMGeneral on October 11, 2016, 11:09:49 AM

Yep, taking my dad on a road trip to KC while it is on display this sunday. UP is also restoring a Big Boy. Now that one will be a sight.

Is that the Big Boy from St Louis? The transporation museum there was restoring a Challenger and then a Big Boy, or so he told me. The Challenger was being worked on and near completion then. Do not remember how long ago that was.

Guido Valvole · « **Reply #20 on:** October 11, 2016, 12:33:24 PM »

The Big Boy is the one that was on display at the Pomona Fairgrounds for many years.

844 came through town a few years ago, best whistle ever. And it was *moving*!
cr

AMGeneral · « **Reply #21 on:** October 11, 2016, 01:16:52 PM »

It's on the UP website. Converting to oil. Reading the specs on these on UP and wiki is some fun reading.

http://www.up.com/aboutup/special_trains/steam/locomotives/4014/about_4014.shtml

Would love to catch the 844 running, but can't take time off during week. Looks like the 844 will be at the Union Staition in KC all day sunday. Wonder how close we will be able to get.

Two Checks · « **Reply #22 on:** October 11, 2016, 03:17:36 PM »

The National Transportation Museum. In STL only has a Challenger. No Big Boy. They do have another operational steam loco that used to do excursions but govt regulations changed and the money isnt available to upgrade it.
844 will be going right past the museum.
CORRECTION
They have a Big Boy, but no Challenger. Last I was there it was outside and in poor condition.
They also own a N&W 4-8-8-2 that is on loan to the VA museum until 2020.
The museum has much of its stuff outside. It is owned by the St. Louis County Parks dept so there isnt a lot of $ available.

Antietam Classic Cycle · « **Reply #23 on:** October 11, 2016, 04:30:43 PM »

Not quite as huge, but still plenty big, C&O 1309 will soon be back running again, hauling tourists in western MD.

WMSR 734 was mighty impressive, 1309 will be even more so. Can't wait!

Chuck in Indiana · « **Reply #24 on:** October 11, 2016, 04:52:32 PM »

I love this sh!t..

Kiwi_Roy · « **Reply #25 on:** October 11, 2016, 05:38:33 PM »

I served my apprenticeship on New Zealand Railways just at the end of the steam era
They were still using Ks and KAs made in the railway shops, my older brother was a fireman.
The engines were quite a bit smaller than those in Nth America and the gauge was only 3ft 6 but to see a KA going past at about 60 was an awesome sight.

http://www.trainweb.org/nzsteam/

Demar · « **Reply #26 on:** October 11, 2016, 05:41:49 PM »

When I mentioned above that I rode behind SP4449 it was a double header with SP2472 from Sacramento to Oakland. They rushed 2472 thru restoration to make the opening of the Sacramento Railroad Museum and it had trouble on the way up to Sacramento from San Francisco. They weren't sure it would make it home after the event so they doubled up with 4449. That was a cool day.

The museum in Sacramento has a cab forward on display. They were used on the SP line over the Sierras due to the numerous long snow sheds on the line.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Pacific_2472

http://www.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=668

Triple Jim · « **Reply #27 on:** October 11, 2016, 05:58:08 PM »

Quote from: Antietam Classic Cycle on October 11, 2016, 04:30:43 PM

Not quite as huge, but still plenty big, C&O 1309 will soon be back running again, hauling tourists in western MD.

According to the specs, this one will pull half again more "tractive effort" than 844, at 99,000 lb, compared to 844's 64,000 lb.

Dean Rose · « **Reply #28 on:** October 11, 2016, 06:11:44 PM »

http://www.vmt.org/collections/rail.html

Dean

Antietam Classic Cycle · « **Reply #29 on:** October 11, 2016, 06:42:05 PM »

Quote from: Triple Jim on October 11, 2016, 05:58:08 PM

According to the specs, this one will pull half again more "tractive effort" than 844, at 99,000 lb, compared to 844's 64,000 lb.

Power vs. speed.

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