More Bonneville variants for 2017

[Shorty]

T100 and Street Cup. More options. http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/triumph/2017-triumph-bonneville-t100-and-street-cup-previews.html/attachment/100416-2017-triumph-street-cup-5187 


http://ridermagazine.com/2016/10/07/2017-triumph-street-cup-first-look-review/         

[leafman60]

Plus, they now have the new Scrambler 900.

http://www.triumphmotorcycles.com/bikes/classics/street-scrambler/2017/street-scrambler

[Kev m]

So I take it all of those are 900cc variants of the new Street? So they HAVE a Bonnie Thruxton, but made a 900cc lower hp Street Cup - I LIKE - sorta helps with some of the V7 Racer nay-sayers.

I like the T100, but man I'm a slave to cast wheels.

[JJ]

I have owned 3 Triumphs in my time, in this order - 2001 Bonneville, 2011 Sprint GT, and a "Meriden" restored 1970 T100C Trophy 500.  All good bikes in their own right!

I really like the new T120 Bonneville Black and this new "Street Cup" is nice way cool also. :1:

You really have to give John Bloor and the Triumph team a lot of credit from where they were in the early 90's.  They make a good motorcycle, again. :1:








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[JJ]

...as a third bike for the stable, I would have no problem with the T120 Black!!  :1:

[boatdetective]

Delightful machines- good on Triumph for giving people a reasonably priced product that is reliable, looks great, and is fun. As far as drawing in hipsters- the more the merrier I say.

[leafman60]

From my own experience and from the reports I get from many Triumph riders, Triumph is head and shoulders above other European bike manufacturers (BMW, Guzzi, Ducati etc) in reliability.  They are also right where they need to be with diversity of product line, power and style.  My next new bike may be a Triumph.

I wish they made a serious dual-sport with 2 cylinders to take the place of the Stelvio, a 270-degree crank twin with off-road capability.  I'm not sure the new Scrambler fills that purpose. 

Instead, Triumph is fielding their 3-cylinder Explorer and Tiger models for this duty.  They are great but too much like sewing machines for me.  I like a lumpy-running motorcycle.

[Kev m]

From my own experience and from the reports I get from many Triumph riders, Triumph is head and shoulders above other European bike manufacturers (BMW, Guzzi, Ducati etc) in reliability.  They are also right where they need to be with diversity of product line, power and style.  My next new bike may be a Triumph.

Granted we see some (usually niggling, occasionally horrendous) problems with Guzzis (current Cali and Smallblock lines seemingly in good shape, but stuff like the valve train debacles of the last decade loom large).

And I can't speak to BMW.

But my anecdotal experience for Ducati is how much better can you get than 0 problems.

Granted, we're just shy of 10k miles in 4 years, but I think my little bro (JAS67) probably has that on his 796 in about 2 years. And I think neither one of us has had even the slightest hint of an issue.

If we're typical, then Ducati is up there too.

[Penderic]

Whats next on the revival list? Choppers? 

Hipster Choppers! 





What goes around .....

[Penderic]

Carts!


 

[Penderic]

Woo hoo! Special Edition Triumph Cult Bikes!



Wrong thread. Sorry. 

[jas67]

But my anecdotal experience for Ducati is how much better can you get than 0 problems.

Granted, we're just shy of 10k miles in 4 years, but I think my little bro (JAS67) probably has that on his 796 in about 2 years. And I think neither one of us has had even the slightest hint of an issue.

If we're typical, then Ducati is up there too.

I'm at 7k on my 796 with nearly zero problems.   I say nearly, because, occasionally, as in, maybe 3 times in the time I've had the bike (only bike I ever bought new), it failed to start despite cranking plenty fast.    The solution is to wait 5 minutes or more, and try again.

Otherwise, absolutely trouble free, and a complete joy to ride.

As for BMW, I'm at 14k miles on my F800GT that I bought last year with 5k miles on it.    I have had zero problems during that 9k miles.

My Moto Guzzi Small Block ownership has been fairly trouble free.   The V7R (now has 9k miles) had a leaky rear shock at 5k miles, replaced under warranty, and my 2014 V7S had the muffler-turned brown problem when I got it at 976 miles, but, it's run great the entire time I've had it (1 year, now has 5,4xx miles).   Aside from cold start issues when I first got it, that were made better with a refresh, my 2009 V7C didn't have any problems while I had it.   I had that one 2 years, from 1,800 miles to just over 10k miles.

[Kev m]

I'm at 7k on my 796 with nearly zero problems.   I say nearly, because, occasionally, as in, maybe 3 times in the time I've had the bike (only bike I ever bought new), it failed to start despite cranking plenty fast.    The solution is to wait 5 minutes or more, and try again.

Otherwise, absolutely trouble free, and a complete joy to ride.

As for BMW, I'm at 14k miles on my F800GT that I bought last year with 5k miles on it.    I have had zero problems during that 9k miles.

My Moto Guzzi Small Block ownership has been fairly trouble free.   The V7R (now has 9k miles) had a leaky rear shock at 5k miles, replaced under warranty, and my 2014 V7S had the muffler-turned brown problem when I got it at 976 miles, but, it's run great the entire time I've had it (1 year, now has 5,4xx miles).   Aside from cold start issues when I first got it, that were made better with a refresh, my 2009 V7C didn't have any problems while I had it.   I had that one 2 years, from 1,800 miles to just over 10k miles.

OK, I think maybe 2 times in 4 years our 696 did that too... like it flooded itself on cold start enrichment and then cleared when left to sit for 5 minutes. I'd forgotten about that since it's been so long.

As for your smallblock ownership - are you not forgetting about a new voltage regulator, a couple of fuel filters, and a disappearing dipstick?

[Rough Edge racing]

 Triumphs, I have Triumphs, this is one of mine...This one is quite fast, dangerous and reliable for a few miles at a time... I know very little about the modern Bonnevilles..to me they look bloated... but many new bikes are bulky... but they have a following and perform nicely and that's what really is important

   

             

[Kev m]

Triumphs, I have Triumphs, this is one of mine...This one is quite fast, dangerous and reliable for a few miles at a time... I know very little about the modern Bonnevilles..to me they look bloated... but many new bikes are bulky... but they have a following and perform nicely and that's what really is important

   

             

Fast eh? Like what? 10-second fast?

And, I dunno man, but what's the wheelbase on that thing? There's a certain irony of pointing that out and calling say even a new Street or Thruxton "bloated". No?

[Cam3512]

Yea, those new Triumphs look bloated to me too...

[Rough Edge racing]

Fast eh? Like what? 10-second fast?

And, I dunno man, but what's the wheelbase on that thing? There's a certain irony of pointing that out and calling say even a new Street or Thruxton "bloated". No?

  It's supposed to be sarcastic and it's obviously  not a street bike   ..Yes, 10 second 1/4 fast, 130 HP, 460 pounds...It was out on the road for testing ,my race rider says it accelerates faster than his 2010 1050 Speed Triple...
  Bloated? It's a dedicated land speed racing bike with vintage push rod engines on a 72 inch wheel base...the engines are 12 inches wide, 16 inches at the splayed exhaust pipes..
   Obviously modern bikes can't be designed to be slim like old Brit bikes. They need bulkier engines to house more robust internals..But to me, many modern bikes look bloated..Just my opinion....

[Kev m]

  It's supposed to be sarcastic and it's obviously  not a street bike   ..Yes, 10 second 1/4 fast, 130 HP, 460 pounds...It was out on the road for testing ,my race rider says it accelerates faster than his 2010 1050 Speed Triple...
  Bloated? It's a dedicated land speed racing bike with vintage push rod engines on a 72 inch wheel base...the engines are 12 inches wide, 16 inches at the splayed exhaust pipes..
   Obviously modern bikes can't be designed to be slim like old Brit bikes. They need bulkier engines to house more robust internals..But to me, many modern bikes look bloated..Just my opinion....

I got that, and as you point out it may be quick, but you can see the irony of calling the modern street bikes bloated when you can pick up a 480# 125 rwhp modern Triumph "bloated looking" streetbike that will run circles around it literally since it can handle and do things like, I dunno, generally be ridden more than a mile or two at a time.

[Rough Edge racing]

I got that, and as you point out it may be quick, but you can see the irony of calling the modern street bikes bloated when you can pick up a 480# 125 rwhp modern Triumph "bloated looking" streetbike that will run circles around it literally since it can handle and do things like, I dunno, generally be ridden more than a mile or two at a time.

  Kev, it's a vintage engine straight line race bike .It has no other purpose. You do understand that? It's like saying, on a different level, a Pro Street drag bike with 400 HP is useless for a road race.....  ... I believe your argument is out of gas   

[Kev m]

  Kev, it's a vintage engine straight line race bike .It has no other purpose. You do understand that? It's like saying, on a different level, a Pro Street drag bike with 400 HP is useless for a road race.....  ... I believe your argument is out of gas   

I absolutely realize that - which is why I found the humor lacking in your original joke/sarcastic point - or stated another way, why it doesn't make any sense whatsoever to call a modern streetbike bloated in comparison.

Or stated yet another way - we're probably just miscommunicating.

[jas67]

OK, I think maybe 2 times in 4 years our 696 did that too... like it flooded itself on cold start enrichment and then cleared when left to sit for 5 minutes. I'd forgotten about that since it's been so long.

As for your smallblock ownership - are you not forgetting about a new voltage regulator, a couple of fuel filters, and a disappearing dipstick?

The V7R fuel filter didn't seem to be on the verge of failing when I replaced it.   The V7S still has the original.
The disappearing dipstick could have likely been prevented had I noticed that the O-ring wasn't seated in the grove.

Yes, the fuel regulator is a bit of an annoyance, but, minor nonetheless.    So, maybe not completely trouble free, but, way better than my experience with the Breva 1100, two failed gauge clusters, and one failed clutch.

Oh, and one more comment for the BMW F800GT, I bought that from my friend, Bill, who bought it with 2,000 miles, so, I do know that the last 12,000 of the total 14,000 miles were trouble free.

[jas67]

Triumphs, I have Triumphs, this is one of mine...This one is quite fast, dangerous and reliable for a few miles at a time... I know very little about the modern Bonnevilles..to me they look bloated... but many new bikes are bulky... but they have a following and perform nicely and that's what really is important

   

             

That's just frickin cool!!!!

[Rough Edge racing]

I absolutely realize that - which is why I found the humor lacking in your original joke/sarcastic point - or stated another way, why it doesn't make any sense whatsoever to call a modern streetbike bloated in comparison.

Or stated yet another way - we're probably just miscommunicating.

 For sure miscommunication... Let me restate my opinion of what is a bloated bike...They are too large for the styling  ..Does that make sense? Keep in mind this is my personal opinion... I went to look at a Suzuki SL1000 on Craig's list. The bike was huge and dense and tall , photos didn't look like that to me. This is how the Modern Bonneville looks to me, too large for the styling like a caricature...Maybe I'm just used to seeing the same styling clues on the much smaller vintage Triumphs.. Again this is just my personal opinion ...

[Kev m]

For sure miscommunication... Let me restate my opinion of what is a bloated bike...They are too large for the styling  ..Does that make sense? Keep in mind this is my personal opinion... I went to look at a Suzuki SL1000 on Craig's list. The bike was huge and dense and tall , photos didn't look like that to me. This is how the Modern Bonneville looks to me, too large for the styling like a caricature...Maybe I'm just used to seeing the same styling clues on the much smaller vintage Triumphs.. Again this is just my personal opinion ...

That's cool, I'm not going to argue opinion, especially a visual one.

But I've got some follow up questions along the bloated perception topic.

Have you sat on or ridden the Street yet?

Have you sat on or ridden a W650?

I realize some people thought the air-cooled T100 serious was a bit big compared to the original Bonnies. It never bothered me (I started on a Suzuki GS550E which was pretty big, and quickly bought my first Sportster, so you can guess why it never felt that way to me, though I also had a VT500 Ascot which was downright tiny, too small to my perception.)

Anyway I've heard many people say the size of the W650 was closer to the original Bonnie than those T100s.

I've got some miles on a buddy's W650 and I love it, reminds me of the V7 in a lot of ways, and the V7 is about as small a bike as I want.

I've not ridden the Street yet, but spent some time crawling around it, and it looks diminutive to my eye. But again, that could be perception. Still I think it's closer to the W650/V7 than the previous T100 series.

Thoughts?

[oldbike54]

 Thoughts ? You guys make my head hurt 

 Dusty

[Rough Edge racing]

That's cool, I'm not going to argue opinion, especially a visual one.

But I've got some follow up questions along the bloated perception topic.

Have you sat on or ridden the Street yet?

Have you sat on or ridden a W650?

I realize some people thought the air-cooled T100 serious was a bit big compared to the original Bonnies. It never bothered me (I started on a Suzuki GS550E which was pretty big, and quickly bought my first Sportster, so you can guess why it never felt that way to me, though I also had a VT500 Ascot which was downright tiny, too small to my perception.)

Anyway I've heard many people say the size of the W650 was closer to the original Bonnie than those T100s.

I've got some miles on a buddy's W650 and I love it, reminds me of the V7 in a lot of ways, and the V7 is about as small a bike as I want.

I've not ridden the Street yet, but spent some time crawling around it, and it looks diminutive to my eye. But again, that could be perception. Still I think it's closer to the W650/V7 than the previous T100 series.

Thoughts?

 

I've sat on the mentioned bikes but never ridden them... It's just the look I don't care for, the mechanicals are soft and rounded off, a bit too "organic".... they do function perfectly for their intended purpose.. You like Sportsters, they are slimmer than others and the focus in on the engine....Most Guzzis draw attention to the massive engine and transmission, very mechanical..However some newer models have more styling that hides engine details.. My tube frame Buell is a very mechanical look...Now I have the 96 Ducati 900 Monster ,the engine is a bit hidden but with all the frame tubes, mechanical bits and the fact you can see through it makes it look very mechanical...I have base model non stylish vehicles with black wheels , I prefer women without makeup, as an electrician the bulk of my work was exposed conduit and it's what I liked to do...
   Just personal preferences and logic will never change me   
 

[JJ]

Yes, I've ridden a W650 - great bike!   

Yes, I owned a 2001 Bonneville (early one), and it was also a great all around motorcycle.

No bad Triumph variants listed (IMHO), - just choose the one that "floats your boat" emotionally...and then "fits your riding needs", practically. 

When I think about Triumphs that are NOT "bloated" the vintage Meriden's always come to mind...

This is my old 1970 Triumph T100C Trophy 500.  Cool bike!






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[oldbike54]

Yes, I've ridden a W650 - great bike!   

Yes, I owned a 2001 Bonneville (early one), and it was also a great all around motorcycle.

No bad Triumph variants listed (IMHO), - just choose the one that "floats your boat" emotionally...and then "fits your riding needs", practically. 

When I think about Triumphs that are NOT "bloated" the vintage Meriden's always come to mind...

This is my old 1970 Triumph T100C Trophy 500.  Cool bike!






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 It is weird , grew up on Meriden Triumphs , even owned a couple of Coventry models , lots of miles on them , and it is always amazing how small they were on the couple of rides a year I make on one . Teen-eintsey little things as my mom would have said .

 Dusty

[oldbike54]

 Well damnit , Rough and I agree on something , we both prefer our women sans makeup 

 Obviously I am just being a troublemaker , as we agree on lots of things , or at least it seems we
do , right Tony ? Tony , right , Tony ...

 Dusty

[JJ]

Well damnit , Rough and I agree on something , we both prefer our women sans makeup 

 Obviously I am just being a troublemaker , as we agree on lots of things , or at least it seems we
do , right Tony ? Tony , right , Tony ...

 Dusty

Yup....women without make-up...as exposed conduits!!!  That will go far on the ol' PC scale!! (LOL)