Guzzi's vision?

[waxi]

Just noticed that they removed Norge and Stelvio from Italian site...

Where Guzzi is going? Were Stelvio, Norge and Griso really not profitable? I am so angry... All these models were real bikes. Where is the courage to stand up against BMW? Money apparently is no problem if they forced MGX into production...

C'mon Guzzi!

[fotoguzzi]

 

[Chuck in Indiana]

The current rumor is they will show the Stevio replacement in the fall of 17 for production in 18. Or not.. 

[Matteo]

Roper was right.

[bad Chad]

So what has Piaggio done with Guzzi?  Over the last few years they have brought the well received v7 series to the market, a hit for Guzzi.  They have produced an entire new line of market competitive, Cals to replace the ancient Tonti big blocks.  As great as the Tontis were, they were long past their sell date.   I'm not sure how well the new Cals have sold overall, but they sure don't seem to be a sales disaster from my perspective.  I think the MGX has a strong shot of making a fairly big splash for a small Italian mfg.   

The v9s are out, and seem to be filling a real niche that Guzzi could fill.  The new for 17 v9 seem even more well thought out, with better ergo's, and lots of options.

After an 11 year run, Guzzi has killed the CARC 11/1200, that's actually a pretty long run when you think about it.   So in my mind there is now a good sized hole in Guzzi line.  Word from Guzzi is that there is a new Stelvio coming, and if their going to make a Stelvio, seems it wouldn't be a stretch to make a sporting platform, and standard out of the new bike?

The point is, they have increased their sales substantially both world wide, and north america.  I know were not talking huge total numbers,  but according to Piaggio's limited release of units mfg, they are up by substantial double digits.

Will Guzzi again produce ground breaking tech, I don't know, none of us do.  If they do it will be because Piaggio sees money to be made doing so.  I hope they do, I really think Guzzi needs a halo bike on the sport/roadster side of the market to balance the great work they have done with MGX.   I'm glad we have new Guzzi's to talk about, and dream of.

[Cam3512]

My opinion.  The 1400 engine will be their big block, with the new 850 the small block.  I would expect to see these two engines in many different models in the future.  What that will be is anybody's guess.

[rocker59]

Just noticed that they removed Norge and Stelvio from Italian site...

Where Guzzi is going? Were Stelvio, Norge and Griso really not profitable? I am so angry... All these models were real bikes. Where is the courage to stand up against BMW? Money apparently is no problem if they forced MGX into production...

C'mon Guzzi!

The CARC bikes were always slow sellers.

Piaggio is having Guzzi build what customers are buying.

I don't like it, either, but it looks like Cruiserz and Baggerz are Guzzi's near-term destination...

This has been coming for awhile.  This has been telegraphed for several years.   

[rocker59]

My opinion.  The 1400 engine will be their big block, with the new 850 the small block.  I would expect to see these two engines in many different models in the future.  What that will be is anybody's guess.

Yet, they just showed us new 750cc (V7-III) bikes with the new hemi heads.

So, at this point we have 750cc retros/standards, 850cc cruisers/standards, and 1400cc cruisers/touring cruisers.

Guzzi seems to have abandoned the 1000cc - 1200cc space that they've occupied for 30 years.

Strange.

[LowRyter]

I'd like to see a sport version of the 1400.  We are waiting too long whether it's 1400 Stelvio or LeMans.

But-

I'll disagree saying the Tonti was that long in the tooth.  I think it's a classic design and is equal or better to a new Sportser or Bonnie.  Guzzi could take the basic Tonti and continue to modernize the suspension, geometry, mechanicals and styling and be very competitive with any steel frame "standard" motorcycle.  A roadster, cafe, cruiser, or touring/cruiser.  The Tonti just "works" much better than a lot of "new" bikes. 

I don't see any advantage that the V7/V9 has over a big block Tonti.

[waxi]

I'm not sure, but is it possible that they left these models aside because of emission regulation and mandatory safety additions (ABS)?

[Kev m]

I'd like to see a sport version of the 1400.  We are waiting too long whether it's 1400 Stelvio or LeMans.

But-

I'll disagree saying the Tonti was that long in the tooth.  I think it's a classic design and is equal or better to a new Sportser or Bonnie.  Guzzi could take the basic Tonti and continue to modernize the suspension, geometry, mechanicals and styling and be very competitive with any steel frame "standard" motorcycle.  A roadster, cafe, cruiser, or touring/cruiser.  The Tonti just "works" much better than a lot of "new" bikes. 

I don't see any advantage that the V7/V9 has over a big block Tonti.

I loved my Jackal for a lot of reasons, but I think I disagree. I mean the basic design was fine, but the motor was long in the tooth, so much it was getting left behind by emissions and power standards. I mean, let's not pretend that something other than a major overhaul in design was going to get it to meet the power and emissions standards of the new Bonnie series. As for the Sportster, hell, even the Sporty (and its motor is getting long in the tooth too as much as I love it) is pushing the same hp and more torque than the last of the Tonti Calis*.

And since they came out with the Cali 1400 series they sorta lept forward and up in power and size leaving no room for a Tonti Cali.

Now that doesn't mean they don't have a glaring open spot in that 1000-1300cc range they could sure stand to fill, maybe with something more sporty/standard.

The one advantage a V7/V9 has over the old Tonti Cali is that they are smaller/lighter - more efficient and more nimble. Not to mention better looking. That's why I made the move. But I guess even I would consider a V12 again in the right package.




*(MCN put the Black Eagle at 68 rwhp and 58 ft. lbs - Motorcycle.com has the new Sportster CX at 69 rwhp and 74 ft. lbs.).

I'm not sure, but is it possible that they left these models aside because of emission regulation and mandatory safety additions (ABS)?

That is certainly one of the theories that has been put forth here by more than one person so far. I believe Dogwalker stated 6 months ago that the CARCS were not EU IV compliant and would not be brought into compliance (could not?).

[rocker59]

I'd like to see a sport version of the 1400.  We are waiting too long whether it's 1400 Stelvio or LeMans.

But-

I'll disagree saying the Tonti was that long in the tooth.  I think it's a classic design and is equal or better to a new Sportser or Bonnie.  Guzzi could take the basic Tonti and continue to modernize the suspension, geometry, mechanicals and styling and be very competitive with any steel frame "standard" motorcycle.  A roadster, cafe, cruiser, or touring/cruiser.  The Tonti just "works" much better than a lot of "new" bikes. 

I don't see any advantage that the V7/V9 has over a big block Tonti.

What's strange is they grafted the CARC onto the back of a Tonti frame for the Bellagio, and people who rode them loved them.

I'd have thought they would develop that platform further, with more displacement, but it was a dead-end model.

[JJ]

A photographic attempt to explain Guzzi's vision of the future......

 












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[Kiwi_Roy]

I thought I heard a rumor they were working on a water cooled Guzzi?

[swooshdave]

I thought I heard a rumor they were working on a water cooled Guzzi?

They will have to because of emissions. Same reason Triumph had to.

[Steph]

I'll disagree saying the Tonti was that long in the tooth.  I think it's a classic design and is equal or better to a new Sportser or Bonnie.  Guzzi could take the basic Tonti and continue to modernize the suspension, geometry, mechanicals and styling and be very competitive with any steel frame "standard" motorcycle.  A roadster, cafe, cruiser, or touring/cruiser.  The Tonti just "works" much better than a lot of "new" bikes. 

I don't see any advantage that the V7/V9 has over a big block Tonti.

 :1:

For many, the big block will feel more substantial than the small block to cross the country from one side to the other. 
These bikes are not about spec sheet but how they make you feel.
My Cali Stone still gets me mellow.

In terms of Guzzi vision?
It's poor. They are all over the place. For years they wanted to be BMW now more like Harley. Ppfff...
I doubt the latest would make good police bikes.

[fotoguzzi]

they need a room 200

[rocker59]

I thought I heard a rumor they were working on a water cooled Guzzi?

Flashing back to 1999 today ???   

[JeffOlson]

Maybe I am looking a different website, but Moto Guzzi still shows the Norge and two flavors of Stelvio...

[rocker59]

Maybe I am looking a different website, but Moto Guzzi still shows the Norge and two flavors of Stelvio...

If you're looking at www.motoguzzi-us.com , then that's why...

The mothership has dropped Norge and Stelvio:  http://www.motoguzzi.com/it_IT/

[JeffOlson]

They show up here: http://www.motoguzzi.com/en_EN/motorbikes/

[Adan]

Another thread lamenting how Guzzi has abandoned the legions of riders who did not buy CARC bikes. 

[Kev m]

They show up here: http://www.motoguzzi.com/en_EN/motorbikes/

We know they have a history of phasing out this material off their websites to sell old stock. No story here.

[arveno]

water cooling engine ?? ah ah ah !!
they've been having one ready since 1937 ......

[waxi]

Another thread lamenting how Guzzi has abandoned the legions of riders who did not buy CARC bikes.

As my first post was deleted: No it's not!

Liquid cooled... ok, but why they didn't test this in production for last n years? Guzzi knew where standards are going, but yet they seems to wait the last second...

[Luap McKeever]

Ahhhh....Moto Guzzi - Going out of business for 95 years now.  I'm not gonna sweat it fellas.  They haven't closed the doors yet. But, I do have a feeling they are changing based on rider demographics.  Fact is, the current average age of Guzzi riders is probably in the 50's or so. Maybe higher. Meanwhile, while other manufacturers try and figure out how to sell to the 20's-40's demographic, I would hope Guzzi rides that train too.  Will we all like it?  Probably not.  But, as anyone in business will tell you..."Adapt or die".

I think everything will be fine, but I am an optimist. 

As a biased viewpoint, if the MGX is an indicator of the future Moto Guzzi, we'll be loving it.

[bad Chad]

I think that's a pretty good assessment Luap.

[pete roper]

The MGX seems, at least in the US, to be popular so from a business point of view it's a good thing but I'm afraid I have to disagree with you Luap because if that is 'The Future' I won't be a part of it.

Pete

[Penderic]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgKa8QEWeno

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[Tom]

An SP1400 with Ohlin suspension would be a cool sport touring bike.