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Any Cali 1400 Opinions?
« on: February 26, 2017, 01:20:20 PM »
I'm about to fly to another state to buy a Cali 1400 and ride it back and would like some feedback on the 1400. The reviews I've been reading have all been very positive, has anyone on here had some experience with one? I'm looking at the custom, not the baggers. It has less than 1000 miles and has a power commander, auto tune, and pipes. Anything I should keep an eye out for?
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Re: Any Cali 1400 Opinions?
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2017, 01:44:19 PM »
I would make sure it had the alternator wire update done, otherwise if you leave the key on for a period of time it fries the alt.
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Re: Any Cali 1400 Opinions?
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2017, 01:46:08 PM »
Yes, avoid power commanders and other add-ons.  They're like rattle-canning chrome to hide the rust. Toss them and fix whatever they're trying to mask.

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Re: Any Cali 1400 Opinions?
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2017, 01:54:20 PM »
Yet another fine example! Owner buys bike. Invests large sums in 'Add Ons' to 'Improve Performance' and then sells bike!

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Re: Any Cali 1400 Opinions?
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2017, 01:57:58 PM »
You'll have fun.   :thumb:  You going to the coast?  Raise the air pressure in the rear tire to near max on the sidewall.  The stock rear tire has a short life.  Expensive to replace.  Handles well for sweepers and highway touring.  Mountain hairpin roads slow down.  You'll get flop from the front end when turning the bars all the way to the left or right.  More pronounced in the parking lot.
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Re: Any Cali 1400 Opinions?
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2017, 02:40:07 PM »
Yes, avoid power commanders and other add-ons.  They're like rattle-canning chrome to hide the rust. Toss them and fix whatever they're trying to mask.

What he said.  A 1400 with the latest factory ecu flash is a decent running bike.  18,000 miles on my Cali Custom.  My only issue is not having enough riding time  :tongue:
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Re: Any Cali 1400 Opinions?
« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2017, 06:59:37 PM »
I would make sure it had the alternator wire update done, otherwise if you leave the key on for a period of time it fries the alt.

Is this a recall issue?
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Re: Any Cali 1400 Opinions?
« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2017, 07:01:23 PM »
You'll have fun.   :thumb:  You going to the coast?  Raise the air pressure in the rear tire to near max on the sidewall.  The stock rear tire has a short life.  Expensive to replace.  Handles well for sweepers and highway touring.  Mountain hairpin roads slow down.  You'll get flop from the front end when turning the bars all the way to the left or right.  More pronounced in the parking lot.

Yes, going to the coast, probably make a few day trip out of it. Thanks for the tips!
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Re: Any Cali 1400 Opinions?
« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2017, 07:04:04 PM »
Yes, going to the coast, probably make a few day trip out of it. Thanks for the tips!
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Re: Any Cali 1400 Opinions?
« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2017, 07:10:11 PM »
Ha ha ha, recall, Guzzi and recall in the same sentence.

They have bikes (like every 8V motor for how many years?) that will guaranteed eat their camshafts, but haven't recalled them.

So a recall for a wire... Nope, not happening.

 Hush , we don't reveal those kinds of details until AFTER someone joins the club  :shocked: :laugh:

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Re: Any Cali 1400 Opinions?
« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2017, 07:15:34 PM »
You'll have fun.   :thumb:  You going to the coast?  Raise the air pressure in the rear tire to near max on the sidewall.  The stock rear tire has a short life.  Expensive to replace.  Handles well for sweepers and highway touring.  Mountain hairpin roads slow down.  You'll get flop from the front end when turning the bars all the way to the left or right.  More pronounced in the parking lot.

Question, from what I've read, the flop is only on the Flying Fortress with the 24" front wheel, have you heard about it on the Custom or other baggers?
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Re: Any Cali 1400 Opinions?
« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2017, 07:38:07 PM »
Is this a recall issue?

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Re: Any Cali 1400 Opinions?
« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2017, 11:01:13 PM »
Question, from what I've read, the flop is only on the Flying Fortress with the 24" front wheel, have you heard about it on the Custom or other baggers?

I experienced it on the test rides at last year's National in John Day, OR.  The Eldo handles better because of the 16" wheels and tires.  Haven't ridden the MGX. 
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Re: Any Cali 1400 Opinions?
« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2017, 09:01:20 AM »
I just got a Cali touring and it is just a pleasure to ride.  It handles and accelerates way better than you'd expect from a cruiser.  I'd imagine a custom to be even better.

I'm personally wary of engine mods on bikes.  Be sure to check under the seat for careless modding and other shenanigans.  I once got an FZ6 that was modded and the wiring was a total mess.  I also got a used Norge (inspected by the dealership!) which had a totally corroded battery.
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Re: Any Cali 1400 Opinions?
« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2017, 07:42:56 PM »
I have a 1400 Custom and just got back from a 4 day 1200 mile run around Arizona.  Mine also has the same fueling mods and guzzitech exhaust and it runs very strong and crisp so I wouldn't change it unless there's a problem with it. 3/4 of the miles was on tight mountain roads and this bike handles like a large sport touring bike with the exception that it doesn't have the ground clearance so just be aware of it.  I am not a cruiser type rider and have mostly been on European sport and sport touring bikes so it has taken me a while to get used to the feet forward riding position.  I have to say that the more I ride the 1400 the more I like it.  I now have over 18,000 on the bike and am impressed.  I bought the Custom with 11,000 on it along with fully adjustable Penske shocks. 

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Re: Any Cali 1400 Opinions?
« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2017, 11:15:13 PM »
I have a Cal 1400 touring, It's a peach! The only thing I am changing is... wait for it, Ta Da... fluid's :-) Enjoy your bike. BK

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Re: Any Cali 1400 Opinions?
« Reply #16 on: February 28, 2017, 05:31:17 AM »
I've ridden all the 1400's.  They're all gems, and the MGX has the heaviest low speed steering. I didn't notice it on the others.

If this is your first Moto Guzzi, try and hold back judgement until at least 100 miles of riding time. Also, try to avoid the super slab on your way home.  Find a nice scenic route with no construction zones as often as you can. That's when you'll realize just how special this brand is.  They are mile eaters. 
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Re: Any Cali 1400 Opinions?
« Reply #17 on: February 28, 2017, 06:42:11 AM »
...If this is your first Moto Guzzi, try and hold back judgement until at least 100 miles of riding time. Also, try to avoid the super slab on your way home.  Find a nice scenic route with no construction zones as often as you can. That's when you'll realize just how special this brand is.  They are mile eaters.

What he said....

I've learned the $$hard way$$ not to make many mods until I have had some serious seat time.
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Re: Any Cali 1400 Opinions?
« Reply #18 on: February 28, 2017, 05:21:48 PM »
Thanks for the input guys! I've had a couple of V11s and enjoyed them greatly, so I'm super excited for the 1400.
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Re: Any Cali 1400 Opinions?
« Reply #19 on: February 28, 2017, 07:48:18 PM »
I have a 2014 Cali bagger. I love riding it. 13,000 miles in the past 14 months. However I have some issues with the bike. I'll paste the contents of a log of issues I have constructed over the my 14 months of owning this machine. It is a bit of reading but this is a pretty comprehensive review of this model. Keep in mind though, except for the warped disc rotors and the misbehaving clutch I've been able to right all the wrongs and I love, love, love riding this bike.

As for the electric modification others have mentioned above, it involves simply disconnecting one wire from the alternator and insulating that loose wire from grounding against anything nearby. Somehow MG put an "extra" wire that causes trouble when the key is left "on" but engine not running. This is considered a warranty item and any Moto Guzzi shop can perform the work, it should be free as Moto Guzzi issued a Technical Service Bulletin (TSB) for it.

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Complaints Log for new 2014 California Touring
2014 California Touring: VIN: ZGULVC007EMxxxxxx
I purchased this motorcycle on December 21, 2015, at the following Moto Guzzi Dealer:
Eurosports, 303 S. 3rd St. (Route 309) Coopersburg, PA 18036, 610-282-9300 (www.eurosports.net)

When I performed the 600 mile first service and inspection, January 2016. I found the following
Deficiencies:

� Front calipers are incorrectly shimmed to align the disc pads with the rotor. Four 2mm stainless
washers (two per caliper) corrected the misalignment. Update, 6400 miles � Front brakes badly pulse
now.
� At first purchase I heard a metallic sound when encountering bumps in the road. I thought it sounded
like a lose fuel tank mount but this was not the case. Then I thought it was the windshield when I
found one of the mounts lose, but tightening that did not remove the sound. I hear and feel a clicking
when applying front brakes hard just before full stop (3 mph). Now, at 6400 miles, I also hear and
feel something flex, snap, pop or click when braking hard (briefly) at speeds of 30-50 mph. Also, just
upon coming to a complete stop if I apply the front brakes hard, making the forks dive, right through
to a full stop I also hear the click during fork compression rebound. This also has progressed with
increasing mileage.
� Both panniers leak, the left more than the right, at a rate of just a few drops but it's steady while
raining. It comes in at the two pannier halves junction, back near the latch. I sealed the entire seam
with a product called �Seam Grip�. Fixed now, I checked this under pressure with a garden hose.
� Both mirrors will move during riding. The left mirror will move at speeds below 50 mph. The right
mirror will keep its position up to maybe 80 mph. The left mirror rotates about the vertical axis, it
reflects more of my arm and body as it moves, the right mirror tends to rotate about the horizontal
axis such that it rotates reflecting an increasing upward view. This necessitates readjustment of at a
minimum the left mirror rather constantly while touring.
� Exhaust support brackets are anchored to the frame with four attachments. One of the four Allen Key
bolts at the bottom of the bracket, next to the Port exhaust pipe flex joint, was not fully tightened. The
bolt's shoulder was not tight against the bracket. It was cross threaded at the factory and left to
continue down the assembly line. See image below. Fixed at first service (600 miles).
� Starboard exhaust side ring clamp was completely loose and rattling on the pipe. The Port exhaust
side clamp was tightened well below specification of 50 Nm (37 ft.lbs.).
� All four spark plugs were torqued to about 1 to 2 ft. lbs. of torque. I re-torqued them to 10 ft. lbs.
upon re-installation. I did not find spark plug torque values in the manual!
� I looked for loose fasteners but the exhaust side ring clamp, mentioned above, was the only one I
found. I did note that the exhaust heat shields use Red thread lock on my bike. All exhaust fasteners
at the cylinder head and the header to muffler clamps required tightening to meet specifications.
� Oil cooler horizontal braided hose, located just above the horns, was crushed between twist grip
position sensor aluminum block and the frame. See the image below. Fixed at first service.
� Chrome plating on both Pannier latches have flawed finish.
� Pannier paint is wearing through where latch closes, on both panniers. A design flaw.
� Both Tires over inflated to 42 psi. But this may have been done at the dealer.
� I looked for loose fasteners and found the Starboard Header to Muffler side pinch clamp was fully
loose and rattling on the pipe. I noted all exhaust heat shields use Red Locktitie.
Just another observation.
� All four spark plugs were torqued to about 1 to 2 ft. lbs. of torque. I re-torqued them to 10 ft. lbs.
upon re-installation. I did not find spark plug torque values in the manual!
Again, rectified, but noted.
� Both Tires over inflated to 42 psi.
Again, rectified, but noted. Naturally, this has nothing to do with warranty. Just an observation.

Design Flaws:
� Cruise control activation, setting. Difficult, especially with throttle hand, no increase/decrease speed
function. The only way to set it accurately/precisely is to reach across with left hand.
To fix it, move the activation control to the clutch side and use the rocker control to alter/resume
speed. Short move right increase, SM left decrease speed. Long move right resume, LM left cancel.
� Piaggio documentation for the California model states that the self canceling blinkers should cancel
after 40 seconds or 0.3 miles. This is too long and it is dangerous! We should be able to alter this
through EPROM programming. Or make it end user configured.
� Dip stick is very poor design, it should be a flat blade where oil level check is located.
� Venting at rider position behind windshield is insufficient. Engine heat builds up at rider position. I
fell asleep while riding this bike once. I modified the windshield mounts to ameliorate this dangerous
condition.
� It's a Touring model, it really should come with the Luggage Rack, which is presently an accessory

Assembly Flaws:
Below are a couple of images showing the serious problems with my California Touring:

Rear most Allen Key bolt on Port side exhaust support bracket to frame location is tight but not home, it was
cross threaded at the factory. To fix it I removed the bolt, chased the threads. I had to use a new bolt because
this one was too badly damaged. I bought a new bolt, installed it and tightened it to full torque.

My oil cooler line was pinched between the frame and throttle control block (aluminium block below tank, fly by wire).
I was able to pull this hose out of it's pinched location by rocking it repeatedly. I had to uncrush the braided
steel sheathing with a set of gas pliers. Hopefully, the tube inside was not compromised, I'd hate to have it
open a pressurized leak out on the road. I'm keeping a close eye on it.
The Dealer did replace this hose after I gave him a photo of the assembly flaw.
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Re: Any Cali 1400 Opinions?
« Reply #20 on: March 01, 2017, 05:11:55 PM »
I've owned my California 1400 Touring for almost 3 years now. To this day I find myself just looking at it in the garage, I'm truly in love with both its looks and character. However, it did take me some effort and money to bring it up to what I would call a "perfect setup." Things I've done on my bike:

1. Fixed the alternator wire issue (as per technical bulletin from Moto Guzzi, look for more info on guzzitech forums)
2. Fixed the "moaning whale" issue (again, look it up on guzzitech forums)
3. Installed a Power Commander V + AT3 setup from guzzitech, along with the new fueling map - this was by far the greatest change for the better I've done to the bike and I do recommend it. The engine now runs amazingly well, pulls great from lowest rpms and has significantly increased torque throughout the rev range. I do understand that people are wary of any modifications to the fueling but I was really dissatisfied with the fueling that came with the bike (I had the first version that was really bad at low rpms and lacked in torque)
4. I put aftermarket exhaust pipes from Mistral
5. I opened up the air box
6. I put better suspension front and back (Matris fork springs and Matris rear shocks) - this was the second most effective upgrade, the ride is unbelievably smooth, stable and precise.

All in all my Cali 1400 now feels absolutely perfect to me and I already know I will never sell it - I want to keep it for the next generation.

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Re: Any Cali 1400 Opinions?
« Reply #21 on: March 01, 2017, 10:37:07 PM »
Mucky,

You posted:  "(I had the first version that was really bad at low rpms and lacked in torque)"

By this do you mean your bike is a 2013 model year?

Mine is the 2014 and I guess Moto Guzzi must have figured out what they did wrong with the earlier model because my bike has been running strong and with a smooth power band right off idle ever since I first picked it up with 3 miles on the odometer.

Thanks for sharing, good to mention the GuzziTech site, a great resource for us all.

If I keep my bike (my clutch issue has me worried) I'll consider the suspension mods you mention, I've seen other riders identify these same parts. I'm mostly satisfied with the suspension on mine I guess because I only weigh 170 lbs. but the suspension is one area where improvements are worth doing.

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Re: Any Cali 1400 Opinions?
« Reply #22 on: March 09, 2017, 06:46:44 PM »
To update you guys, I bought the bike this past weekend and rode it back from Los Angeles to Arizona. I must say that I am in love with this bike! Of course, the guy I bought it from did a bunch of nice upgrades including front and rear suspension, power commander with AT300, exhaust, touring bars with heated grips (it's a Custom, not the touring model), bags, and a bunch of billet items from Moto Guzzi. This bike has amazing power, handles great, and sounds incredible! The only things I need are a detachable windscreen for long tours, and a different seat (my rear was feeling it after a few hours). This one's a keeper guys, I don't think I've liked a bike as much as this one (and I've owned a lot).
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Re: Any Cali 1400 Opinions?
« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2017, 06:57:45 PM »
Den,

thanks for all of that good info! Some of those factory issues remind me of my 2007 California Vintage, it had loose bolts all over the place. Moto Guzzi really needs to amp up their quality control. The first thing I'm going to do is make sure the grounding issue is taken care of on this bike. I had no noises or issues with anything on the ride back, except for what I thought was a high idle, but that turned out to be factory spec at 1350rpm.

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Re: Any Cali 1400 Opinions?
« Reply #24 on: March 09, 2017, 09:34:44 PM »
To update you guys, I bought the bike this past weekend and rode it back from Los Angeles to Arizona. I must say that I am in love with this bike! Of course, the guy I bought it from did a bunch of nice upgrades including front and rear suspension, power commander with AT300, exhaust, touring bars with heated grips (it's a Custom, not the touring model), bags, and a bunch of billet items from Moto Guzzi. This bike has amazing power, handles great, and sounds incredible! The only things I need are a detachable windscreen for long tours, and a different seat (my rear was feeling it after a few hours). This one's a keeper guys, I don't think I've liked a bike as much as this one (and I've owned a lot).

I have owned a lot of Guzzis, too and my 1400 is by far the best.  What an amazing bike.  Glad you like it!

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Re: Any Cali 1400 Opinions?
« Reply #25 on: March 09, 2017, 10:07:18 PM »
My Custom is my first Guzzi, and it is the best cruiser I've ever ridden. It is bone stock and has run flawlessly since day one.

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Re: Any Cali 1400 Opinions?
« Reply #26 on: May 14, 2017, 10:13:43 AM »
To update you guys, I bought the bike this past weekend and rode it back from Los Angeles to Arizona. I must say that I am in love with this bike! Of course, the guy I bought it from did a bunch of nice upgrades including front and rear suspension, power commander with AT300, exhaust, touring bars with heated grips (it's a Custom, not the touring model), bags, and a bunch of billet items from Moto Guzzi. This bike has amazing power, handles great, and sounds incredible! The only things I need are a detachable windscreen for long tours, and a different seat (my rear was feeling it after a few hours). This one's a keeper guys, I don't think I've liked a bike as much as this one (and I've owned a lot).

Any luck on finding that detachable windscreen?  I just bought a 2014 Cali Custom and am looking for a detachable windscreen as well.  Any tips would be greatly appreciated!
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Re: Any Cali 1400 Opinions?
« Reply #27 on: May 14, 2017, 12:19:27 PM »
Any luck on finding that detachable windscreen?  I just bought a 2014 Cali Custom and am looking for a detachable windscreen as well.  Any tips would be greatly appreciated!

No, I haven't purchased one yet, still looking.
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Re: Any Cali 1400 Opinions?
« Reply #28 on: May 14, 2017, 02:49:12 PM »
This is exactly what frustrates me about the brand and makes me wary of purchasing a NEW California Touring, which by the way I really want.  A 2017 Cal Touring is almost $20,000 before taxes up here in Canada.  Sorry guys, if I spend that much money on a bike then have to spend hundreds if not thousands more on aftermarket bits to make it run right, that's just plain wrong.  For that kind of money one can buy a pretty decent car and likely never have to even go back to the dealer for the whole warranty period.  You can call it quirky, character, whatever but what it really boils down to is poor design/workmanship/quality control.  After paying for the bike and driving out the door I shouldn't have to immediately start looking for someone to remap it, rewire it or add bits to keep me on the road!!!
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Re: Any Cali 1400 Opinions?
« Reply #29 on: May 14, 2017, 03:02:57 PM »


By this do you mean your bike is a 2013 model year?

Mine is the 2014 and I guess Moto Guzzi must have figured out what they did wrong with the earlier model because my bike has been running strong and with a smooth power band right off idle ever since I first picked it up with 3 miles on the odometer.

I purchased my first Cali 1400 Custom, a 2014 model in May 2013 (bought in California, I believe one of the first in the USA).  It might have even been manufactured in 2012.  Go figure.


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