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The Iconic Guzzi v2 was developed for the Fiat 500???
« on: August 07, 2017, 04:37:40 PM »
I just read in the latest issue of CycleWorld that the v7 motor was originally developed as a replacement motor for the mid 60s Fiat 500!  The author claimed that in the end, Fiat rejected the motor, but MG had already developed the motor so they decided to use it in a motorcycle, and the rest is history.  That does not jive with what I have heard before.  Any input?
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Re: The Iconic Guzzi v2 was developed for the Fiat 500???
« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2017, 08:36:43 PM »
From Greg Field's "Moto Guzzi Big Twins":

Individually, Carcano and Todero had each woked on 90-degree Vs in the past. Carcano had designed an air-cooled 600-cc designed to propel the Fiat 500 car, and Todero had helped develop the fan-cooled 750-cc engine for the Mechanical Mule, an engine designed by another Moto Guzzi engineer, Antonio Micucci.

Neither the Fiat 500 nor the Mule engine  was used as the basis for the V700 engine, however, and it's somewhat puzzling how the whole misconception got started, given that the Mule engine was designed Micucci, rather than Carcano. The fact is, all the V700 engine and the other two share in common is a 90-degree V-angle. "Comparing the head design and structure, the distribution, displacement, lube and fuel systems, and engine crankcases is enough to demonstrate that the engines are totally different and come from different ideas," asserted Todero.


I think the above says it all. Similar, but completely different.
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Re: The Iconic Guzzi v2 was developed for the Fiat 500???
« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2017, 09:34:36 PM »
More detail on the Fiat engine here, and how it led to the V7:

https://rideapart.com/articles/the-man-who-made-the-moto-guzzi-v8

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Re: The Iconic Guzzi v2 was developed for the Fiat 500???
« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2017, 01:14:54 AM »
More detail on the Fiat engine here, and how it led to the V7:

https://rideapart.com/articles/the-man-who-made-the-moto-guzzi-v8

All "authorities" are not equal. You have to judge each one. Read Greg Field's book, with its detailed accounting of his sources, and you'll understand. Greg nailed it: the Fiat and the motorcycle engine are not related. We shouldn't abet the further spread of  the  myth.


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