So I ran the V7 with some big BMW's yesterday

[kingoffleece]

Oh, what fun to see my 40 or so bhp stay right with the K1200 and K1300's thru the twisties.
Flat out no contest as we'd all expect but in the technical stuff, with all experienced pilots, the V7 (granted I have a wonderful map and high end suspension well set up at both ends) holds more that it's own.

In other words, I had a BLAST, again, on the V7.  What a great bike.

[chuck peterson]

 

[Kev m]

I get a childish pleasure from such things I must confess...

[Huzo]

That's gotta be a good feeling for sure, as long as you stay away from the Beemers natural domain, you'll always be in for a good time!
But I do take your point in the spirit it was made.

[KiwiKev]

As long as you don't get sucked in to a race and fall off it's fun on a group ride. Even if it's not you that falls off it does put a damper on your day.


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[kingoffleece]

I'm well aware.  Thx, though.

[alanp]

Oh, what fun to see my 40 or so bhp stay right with the K1200 and K1300's thru the twisties.
Flat out no contest as we'd all expect but in the technical stuff, with all experienced pilots, the V7 (granted I have a wonderful map and high end suspension well set up at both ends) holds more that it's own.

In other words, I had a BLAST, again, on the V7.  What a great bike.

 Very fun!  What front suspension setup do you have?

[TimmyTheHog]

I was in the same boat as you today...had a giggle when I was able to keep up with my buddy's GS1200

until my buddy's better cornering skill kicked in :P and out turned me...

Straight away....ya, not even close lol...

[Socalrob]

Just my opinion, but on public streets it's more the rider than the bike, and if the riders are at all in the same league, it's more the level of law breaking and risk that a rider is willing to take.

A lot of the canyons I ride I could be over 100mph and be no more than 8 tenths effort/risk.  In a similar vein, most responsible canyon riders ride "the pace" style instead of max acceleration down the straights, threshold braking, setup for the curve, drag a knee through it, the max acceleration spinning up the rear with a bit of slide out the corner.  Which is where a true sports bike can kick the ass of non sport bikes.  But do that on the street on a consistent basis and you are an idiot.

Don't get me wrong, I love to flog a lower horsepower lower weight bike like the V7 around, but don't think a committed rider flogging one of those BMW sport tourers, using every bit of brakes and horsepower they have, can't beat your pants off.

[kingoffleece]

I'll consider myself informed.

[roadscum]

I think the point is the  V7 is as good a bike for average everyday riding as anything out there once the suspension is sorted. Sure more hp, more tech, and more skill would win a race, if if ya ain't racing it can hand it's the best given riders of equal skill.
Paul

[Lannis]

Just my opinion, but on public streets it's more the rider than the bike, and if the riders are at all in the same league, it's more the level of law breaking and risk that a rider is willing to take.

Yep - who is the most willing to hammer around a blind turn faster than he can see to stop?   What's it worth to you?   To some people it's worth the risk, to others, not so much.   Individual decision not related to how hard the bike will go or how far it will lean over. 

The track is where you find out about bikes and riders.   And then the daily touring rider on the big 120 hp bike is going to watch Jonathan Rea lap him using a Kawasaki 300 Ninja ....

... so at some level, it's mostly about the rider.

Lannis

[Chuck in Indiana]

As I've mentioned before, it's not the name on the hammer handle, it's the guy swingin it. 

[kidsmoke]

Glad to hear you're fully enjoying your bike KOF!

hater's gonna hate.

[Lannis]

hater's gonna hate.

That's become a pretty meaningless and sh!tty thing to say these days.

Every response on this thread has been related to "have fun, be safe, don't take chances that aren't worth it".   

And it somehow gets the name "hate".   You won't shut anyone up doing that any more.

Meanwhile, folks continue to have fun on their bikes, and other folks do the same and talk about it ... that's what this forum is all about.  Has nothing to do with "hate".

Lannis

[Kev m]

That's become a pretty meaningless and sh!tty thing to say these days.

Every response on this thread has been related to "have fun, be safe, don't take chances that aren't worth it".   

And it somehow gets the name "hate".   You won't shut anyone up doing that any more.

Meanwhile, folks continue to have fun on their bikes, and other folks do the same and talk about it ... that's what this forum is all about.  Has nothing to do with "hate".

Lannis

Oh Jezus Key Rist on a Motor Bike - the expression - to anyone under maybe 50 y/o doesn't mean Hate as in Nazis, it means the Millennial equivalent of the baby boomer's "bite me". Nothing more... Gawd 

[Lannis]

Oh Jezus Key Rist on a Motor Bike - the expression - to anyone under maybe 50 y/o doesn't mean Hate as in Nazis, it means the Millennial equivalent of the baby boomer's "bite me". Nothing more... Gawd 

Really?   I disagree.   Perverting language like this (and you, as a professional writer, should know it) is a way of twisting communication and thought so that it doesn't mean anything any more ...

Lannis

[oldbike54]

 <sigh>

 Dusty

[Lannis]

<sigh>

 Dusty

<biff> <bam> <pow>  What is this, a remake of the old Batman show?

[Socalrob]

Yep - who is the most willing to hammer around a blind turn faster than he can see to stop?   What's it worth to you?   To some people it's worth the risk, to others, not so much.   Individual decision not related to how hard the bike will go or how far it will lean over. 

The track is where you find out about bikes and riders.   And then the daily touring rider on the big 120 hp bike is going to watch Jonathan Rea lap him using a Kawasaki 300 Ninja ....

... so at some level, it's mostly about the rider.

Lannis

Agreed.

I ride a BMW GSA1200.  The subject of the GS/GSA riders kicking sport bike butt comes up on a regular basis, like the BMWs are some sort of magic sport bike killers.  Talk about kool aid drinkers.  Like you say, its not the bike, its the rider, and on the street, its also the rider's risk tolerance.

Of course if you are riding in a group on public roads doing "The Pace", a small light bike with good suspension like the OP's is easier to ride quick through corners, and the 50 HP is about enough to get to the next curve without losing ground on those $20K BMWs riden by 50 something riders who are concerned about their insurance costs.  Makes the MG about the perfect street bike outside of weird things like super motos.

Now, if I put some sticky super moto wheels/tires on my KTM 690, I could whip Rossi through the local canyons on his Motogp Yamiha for sure.

[Guzzi Gal]

 

[Kev m]

Really?   I disagree.   Perverting language like this (and you, as a professional writer, should know it) is a way of twisting communication and thought so that it doesn't mean anything any more ...

Lannis

No, it is the continued evolution of language, the growth of colloquial usage and nuance.

As a writer I should recognize and embrace such things.

As a user you can too, or you can just step back and shout "Get off my lawn" whichever makes you feel warm and fuzzy.

[Socalrob]

No, it is the continued evolution of language, the growth of colloquial usage and nuance.

As a writer I should recognize and embrace such things.

As a user you can too, or you can just step back and shout "Get off my lawn" whichever makes you feel warm and fuzzy.

Damn Yuts

[Lannis]

No, it is the continued evolution of language, the growth of colloquial usage and nuance.

As a writer I should recognize and embrace such things...

You also know that there's a place and time for all these things.  I can just see the next technical manual you edit on a Honda stern drive ...

"The injection system on this ride be dope.   Bitch be stupid quick yo, it's hundo P worth of boat.  Deff triff, on fleek."

No?  Really?   Not into that sort of language in that context?   Neither is this old cane-shaking dude gonna take "Hater" sitting down on a normally civil board, even though there's sighing and head-shaking going on among the hep cats .....

Lannis

[Kev m]

I'll get back to you when Honda markets a stern drive.

That said I've been working on motorcycle manuals for about a year...

[pyoungbl]

On a sorta related note....and to get away from what seems to be a bitter thread...last weekend I was reminded of how much fun it is to really flog a tiny bike.  I took a 250cc bike up to WV for the weekend and got to enjoy some of the twisty one lane roads that seem to wind like a snake all through the mountains.  When the yellow sign says the turn is 15 mph they really mean it!  Golly, that was as much fun as I used to have on the Ducati, albeit at twice the speed.  My point is that you can have a ball without taking nearly the risks that seem to come with 150 hp super bikes.  The V7 would have been fun on those mountain roads.  Riding the tiddler makes me a better rider because I have to pick my lines and maintain momentum through the curves, much like the V7.

Peter Y.

[Lannis]

On a sorta related note....and to get away from what seems to be a bitter thread...last weekend I was reminded of how much fun it is to really flog a tiny bike.  I took a 250cc bike up to WV for the weekend and got to enjoy some of the twisty one lane roads that seem to wind like a snake all through the mountains.  When the yellow sign says the turn is 15 mph they really mean it!  Golly, that was as much fun as I used to have on the Ducati, albeit at twice the speed.  My point is that you can have a ball without taking nearly the risks that seem to come with 150 hp super bikes.  The V7 would have been fun on those mountain roads.  Riding the tiddler makes me a better rider because I have to pick my lines and maintain momentum through the curves, much like the V7.

Peter Y.

Nobody's bitter, it's all talked out, just daffing around now.

You make a good point about VA and WV road warning signs.   If a road sign says "Maximum Safe Speed 50", or 45, or 40, or 35, or 30, or 25 ... then (if you can see around the turn) you might shoot at taking it at 50% or 100% over the number. 

When the warning sign hits 20, you'd better start thinking about it; 30 or 35 will be tops.

And when it says "15" or "10", you'd better throw out the anchor and get it down to 15 or 10 ... some of those turns you can see your own taillight halfway through the turn .....

Lannis

[kingoffleece]

Dusty,
You can nuke this.  Somehow my point about fun with a small bike got lost.
I'm aware of The Pace and practice that style.  But enough is enough.

I certainly didn't mean to ruffle anybody.  Or something like that.  I'm confused.

[oldbike54]

Dusty,
You can nuke this.  Somehow my point about fun with a small bike got lost.
I'm aware of The Pace and practice that style.  But enough is enough.

I certainly didn't mean to ruffle anybody.  Or something like that.  I'm confused.

 I am loath to nuke a great thread muddied up a bit by a few , maybe we can get back on topic .

 I must agree with those who have mentioned how much fun a less powerful motorbike can be on a nice curvy road . Lightweight and manageable power with a good rider on board can often keep the big boys in sight . That is the point you are making , right King ?

 Dusty

[Mayor_of_BBQ]

As I've mentioned before, it's not the name on the hammer handle, it's the guy swingin it. 

can we get a like button around here