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Broke down.
« on: August 30, 2017, 11:50:12 PM »
Sitting on the side of the road waiting for dad. Bike started cutting out as I waited for a train. Seemed the right cylinder was cutting in and out. Tried to get home. 5 miles down the road noticed the right side front half the the muffler was glowing red. Will post pic when available. Bike had gotten to the point where it wouldn't go 50mph. Any thoughts? 2013 V7 special

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Re: Broke down.
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2017, 11:51:18 PM »
Plug caps.

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Re: Broke down.
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2017, 12:00:44 AM »
The cap clips onto the plug and is hard to pull off but it's very wiggly on the plug. This normal?

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Re: Broke down.
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2017, 12:31:16 AM »
Well I'm home. Took the cap off the plug, screwed it in 2 times, never felt like it was tightening, and it fixed it long enough to get home. Started running bad again 1/2 mile from my house. So now I snip the ends of the wires off a bit and get new plug caps right?

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Re: Broke down.
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2017, 12:48:42 AM »
The stock spark plug caps are rubbish. Replace them ASAP.
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Re: Broke down.
« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2017, 01:29:09 AM »
Yes, I'll get you the cap and plug numbers tomorrow if someone else doesn't chime in first.

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Re: Broke down.
« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2017, 05:29:10 AM »
The stock spark plug caps are rubbish. Replace them ASAP.

What's wrong with the factory spark plug boots?

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Re: Broke down.
« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2017, 05:53:40 AM »
They're shite.

Also before you decide to go poking about with your Stelvio do a bit of research on removing the plug caps on it because butchering them is easy and it will elicit no sympathy if you bugger it up. The info is available to anyone with a computer and Internet access.

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Re: Broke down.
« Reply #8 on: August 31, 2017, 05:56:23 AM »
What's wrong with the factory spark plug boots?

People have only been making spark plug connectors since about 1910 when hot-tubes went out of favor.   You need more than 107 years for Guzzi to get something like that straight, apparently.

All the pre NTX Stelvios had crap spark plug caps, too.   And the strange thing was, they looked and felt like heavy-duty, premium items.   Nice molded rubber connectors that fit the head nicely, you'd THINK they were way nicer than a plastic NGK - but none of them went more than 30,000 miles.   

After everyone else's failed, I bought the recommended NGK replacements (have to buy four sets and mix and match to make two that will fit) and just carried them on the bike.    The first one failed at 22,000 at the National Rally in New Hampshire, and the second one failed on the road at 30,000.   

And the failure wasn't due to ham-handed mechanicking, either.   I was aware of their fragility and was careful about handling them during removal (for valve lash checks).   Just one of those "character" things ....

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Re: Broke down.
« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2017, 06:25:06 AM »
If they aren't abused the 1200 caps are fine. Not defending the design as it makes servicing sucky unless you know the drill or have the stupidly expensive boot removal tool. They don't fail without help though.

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Re: Broke down.
« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2017, 07:19:16 AM »
If they aren't abused the 1200 caps are fine. Not defending the design as it makes servicing sucky unless you know the drill or have the stupidly expensive boot removal tool. They don't fail without help though.

Pete

Good info, thanks.

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Re: Broke down.
« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2017, 08:30:02 AM »
My recent breakdown two hours from home was my admission into the failed spark plug cap club. The NGKs everyone refers to are solid! I picked up part number LD05F 8060. 5K ohm, 12mm. This was at 18,600 miles.
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« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2017, 08:41:28 AM »
This guy is (was) on a 13 V7 not Stelvio. They must come from China like the rest of the junk on them. The wires & caps have always been junk since the newer smallblock got popular in 09.
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Re: Broke down.
« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2017, 08:45:00 AM »
They're shite.

Also before you decide to go poking about with your Stelvio do a bit of research on removing the plug caps on it because butchering them is easy and it will elicit no sympathy if you bugger it up. The info is available to anyone with a computer and Internet access.

I've never seen someone harp on another rider so bad just because they started a thread about not being able to read the tiny manual print. I've seen you treat others the same as well. Are you always so curmudgeonly and discouraging to new Guzzi owners?
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Re: Broke down.
« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2017, 08:50:20 AM »
If they aren't abused the 1200 caps are fine. Not defending the design as it makes servicing sucky unless you know the drill or have the stupidly expensive boot removal tool. They don't fail without help though.

Pete

Depends on your definition of "fine" I suppose.   I've never met another 09 - 11 Stelvio owner who didn't have to replace their spark plug caps.   I'm the only one I know who went as many miles as I did.   And many of us are perfectly capable of not snatching the plug caps out with pliers and a crowbar, and they STILL failed ....

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Re: Broke down.
« Reply #15 on: August 31, 2017, 08:53:45 AM »
I've never seen someone harp on another rider so bad just because they started a thread about not being able to read the tiny manual print. I've seen you treat others the same as well. Are you always so curmudgeonly and discouraging to new Guzzi owners?
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« Reply #16 on: August 31, 2017, 09:07:05 AM »
Many of the old timers here are famously grouchy, especially with any topic that's been talked about even once in the past several years on the forum. I wish the landing page had a "Be nice or leave" sign. Then, there'd be maybe half a dozen of us left, so  :evil:

I'm fine with the grouchy. I'm young and famously grouchy in real life. If I didn't know better though, based on posting history, I'd think Mr Roper wouldn't want anyone to buy a Guzzi.
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Re: Broke down.
« Reply #17 on: August 31, 2017, 09:17:22 AM »
 Let me clear this up a bit . Pete isn't all that grouchy , it is more , well , something else , most of it is just him poking . He always comes back with the correct answer , so please , let's not start a fight here . Pete actually knows about half of us , and probably always assumes he is among folks who he has met , or will meet . Trust me , in real life he is merely a regular Richard Cranium , nothing outstanding , right Pete ?  :grin:

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« Reply #18 on: August 31, 2017, 09:18:02 AM »
Oh heck, you ain't seen grouchy.

Grouchy left a few years ago, now, that was some industrial strength grouchy.


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Re: Broke down.
« Reply #19 on: August 31, 2017, 09:32:49 AM »
The English have a tendency to sound dictatorial and intolerant when they'd like to seem authoritative. It doesn't generally function as intended when applied to an American audience and sometimes even to themselves, but instead comes across as mildly humorous. Monty Python made a career out of it.  Either way I'm sure no harm is intended.
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« Reply #20 on: August 31, 2017, 09:48:42 AM »
The English have a tendency to sound dictatorial and intolerant when they'd like to seem authoritative. It doesn't generally function as intended when applied to an American audience and sometimes even to themselves, but instead comes across as mildly humorous. Monty Python made a career out of it.  Either way I'm sure no harm is intended.

I'm sure that's true, especially the cross-cultural part, and there's no reason for anyone to take offense when that happens.

On the other hand, a universal truth is ... If you're going to dish it out, you've also got to be able to take it ....

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Re: Broke down.
« Reply #21 on: August 31, 2017, 10:28:49 AM »
The direct replacement NGK caps (for the Stelvio, not sure if this also applies to the V7) are #SD05E. If you can find them. For some reason, they tend not to be stocked by U.S. distributors. As an alternative, NGK #SB05E caps fit, except that the opening in the sealing boots are too big. That can be addressed by swapping over the boots from a pair of #SD05F caps. Its a bit of a bother, but really not all that difficult, and appears to permanently fix the issue.
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Then again, when I was watching Predator I didn't think two members of its cast would become governors, either. So you never know.

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Re: Broke down.
« Reply #22 on: August 31, 2017, 10:36:40 AM »
I picked these numbers from a past thread, someone tell me if I'm correct. XD05F cap C8E plugs

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Re: Broke down.
« Reply #23 on: August 31, 2017, 10:45:25 AM »
The English have a tendency to sound dictatorial and intolerant when they'd like to seem authoritative. It doesn't generally function as intended when applied to an American audience and sometimes even to themselves, but instead comes across as mildly humorous. Monty Python made a career out of it.  Either way I'm sure no harm is intended.

And he's our curmudgeon!  Truth is Pete is a good guy that is very knowledgeable and also entertaining. He will also go to the extremes to help folks out, like he has loaned and shipped special tools around the globe to help someone rebuilding a Stelvio gearbox or walk someone in South Africa through some such work on a Breva they could get any local help with. He has also published numerous photo tutorials on how to properly maintain a Guzzi.  So in reality he is quite the ambassador for the brand, helping folks own and enjoy them. He also is quite famous for telling it like he sees it, in his colorful vernacular.
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Re: Broke down.
« Reply #24 on: August 31, 2017, 10:56:58 AM »
The direct replacement NGK caps (for the Stelvio, not sure if this also applies to the V7) are #SD05E. If you can find them. For some reason, they tend not to be stocked by U.S. distributors. As an alternative, NGK #SB05E caps fit, except that the opening in the sealing boots are too big. That can be addressed by swapping over the boots from a pair of #SD05F caps. Its a bit of a bother, but really not all that difficult, and appears to permanently fix the issue.

Yes.   I mentioned above that you have to buy four to get two, but couldn't remember the part numbers.   Those are them!   And I don't know about permanent, but it's been good for two years/20000 miles and no more trouble ....

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Re: Broke down.
« Reply #25 on: August 31, 2017, 11:24:29 AM »
And he's our curmudgeon!  Truth is Pete is a good guy that is very knowledgeable and also entertaining. He will also go to the extremes to help folks out, like he has loaned and shipped special tools around the globe to help someone rebuilding a Stelvio gearbox or walk someone in South Africa through some such work on a Breva they could get any local help with. He has also published numerous photo tutorials on how to properly maintain a Guzzi.  So in reality he is quite the ambassador for the brand, helping folks own and enjoy them. He also is quite famous for telling it like he sees it, in his colorful vernacular.

I understand and support Pete.  What I think he was trying to say (perhaps indelicately) is that there are idiosyncracies to a Guzzi and it is incumbent on the owner to ask/research/learn before mucking about.  I once had a chap contact me and ask me to come 100 miles to fetch his broken smallblock and bring it home for repairs.  In hopes of fixing on site, I asked if it still had points or had it been converted to one of the aftermarket electronic ignitions.  Pregnant pause.  "I don't know."  You're telling me that you just drove 99% of NYC to SFO and you don't even know what ignition is in your machine?  I hope the coyotes have a fine dinner.

The other thing that bothers me no end is when new people jump in and present a variety of odd symptoms that challenge long distance diagnosis.  Lots of constructive comments come up.  The OP fixes the problem and rides on.  Never reports back what the problem was.  Never compliments the technician who first came up with the idea for resolution.  Never shares his success with the community.  Just take the answer and ride away.  If you ask for help and someone gives it, please report the results and acknowledge those who participated.

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Re: Broke down.
« Reply #26 on: August 31, 2017, 11:40:23 AM »
And he's our curmudgeon!  Truth is Pete is a good guy that is very knowledgeable and also entertaining. He will also go to the extremes to help folks out, like he has loaned and shipped special tools around the globe to help someone rebuilding a Stelvio gearbox or walk someone in South Africa through some such work on a Breva they could get any local help with. He has also published numerous photo tutorials on how to properly maintain a Guzzi.  So in reality he is quite the ambassador for the brand, helping folks own and enjoy them. He also is quite famous for telling it like he sees it, in his colorful vernacular.

 :1: Every group needs a curmudgeon. Carry on Pete.
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Re: Broke down.
« Reply #27 on: August 31, 2017, 11:50:20 AM »
And my 2010 Stelvio is still soldiering on at 32000 miles with the stock plug caps.  Oh boy, now I've done it.  They won't last another week.

I keep meaning to order the new caps, but now I guess I better get them on the way
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« Reply #28 on: August 31, 2017, 12:50:22 PM »
The other thing that bothers me no end is when new people jump in and present a variety of odd symptoms that challenge long distance diagnosis.  Lots of constructive comments come up.  The OP fixes the problem and rides on.  Never reports back what the problem was.  Never compliments the technician who first came up with the idea for resolution.  Never shares his success with the community.  Just take the answer and ride away.  If you ask for help and someone gives it, please report the results and acknowledge those who participated.

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« Reply #29 on: August 31, 2017, 12:52:25 PM »
Pete was replying to Bonaventure, who he knows and has a Stelvio.. not the OP of this thread. He was simply telling him not to yank those Plug wires off.
He had already told the OP what his problem was with two words.  <shrug>
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