Tell me about a 2007 Griso

[boatdetective]

I've said it before and will again- one of the best things about owning a Guzzi is the technical support on this forum. It is unbelievable. No matter what happened to my bikes- i was able to get expert help here in sorting it out.  Mr. Roper, despite the midget controversy, is a beacon of light.

[ITSec]

Mr. Roper, despite the midget controversy, is a beacon of light.

He ain't the Jolly Green Giant, but he's no midget! 

[Perazzimx14]

What you don't know is that yes, I fell for the power commander thing for that sort of money.
Threw the bastard in the bin (literally). Complete and total waste of money, but I stayed the course and got the perfect solution.
Anything else ?

I too got "the perfect solution" for factory fueling issues and put it didn't cost me a dime. Actually it put $7,500 in my pocket.  Anything else? 

[beetle]

Hey, look! A dancing poo!

[Huzo]

I too got "the perfect solution" for factory fueling issues and put it didn't cost me a dime. Actually it put $7,500 in my pocket.  Anything else?

Yeah one thing.
What was your solution ?

[pete roper]

He sold it. Look. That's cool. It didn't work for him. If we all wanted the same thing we'd be like Harley riders! ( That should kick something off! :D)

Pete

[Perazzimx14]

Yeah one thing.
What was your solution ?

 

[Chuck in Indiana]

He sold it. Look. That's cool. It didn't work for him. If we all wanted the same thing we'd be like Harley riders! ( That should kick something off! :D)

Pete

Paging Kev in 3-2-1...
 

[Huzo]

Sorry, don't know what you mean..

[antmanbee]

What would be considered a good deal or price on a 1100 Grisso? Good to excellent condition and under 15K miles. Just curious. I would like to see one in my future.
I am always interested to read the Grisso threads to see the various issues and resolutions.

[pete roper]

One S in Griso godammit!

[ITSec]

What would be considered a good deal or price on a 1100 Grisso? Good to excellent condition and under 15K miles. Just curious. I would like to see one in my future.
I am always interested to read the Grisso threads to see the various issues and resolutions.

In my recent reviews of Craigslist and CycleTrader, I've seen the 1100s offered at about $5-8,000, and the 1200s running about $7-9,000 (asking prices for both, no telling what the sale actually was made at).

[Kiwi_Roy]

One S in Griso godammit!

Wot 

https://vancouver.craigslist.ca/rds/mcy/d/2007-moto-guzzy-griso-1100/6287305180.html

At least I can spell Guzzi

I went and had a look this evening
Hasn't run for months and of course the battery was shagged
Even with a jump from my car all it would do was click

He didn't' know if the joints had been greased, the only thing in it's favour was last serviced by Valley Yamaha.

Outside under a cover since spring, some oxidation on the throttle bodies. What part of "Well Maintained is that?

I made what I thought was a fair offer for a bike not running, let him mull it over for a day

What's with the red hose?

[ITSec]

I went and had a look this evening
Hasn't run for months and of course the battery was shagged
Even with a jump from my car all it would do was click

He didn't' know if the joints had been greased, the only thing in it's favour was last serviced by Valley Yamaha.

Outside under a cover since spring, some oxidation on the throttle bodies. What part of "Well Maintained is that?

I made what I thought was a fair offer for a bike not running, let him mull it over for a day

What's with the red hose?

Maybe he really hates the breather leaving oil directly under the sump?

I like his generosity in noting that "SADDLES INCLUDED" - 'cause riding on that frame is real uncomfortable!

[Kiwi_Roy]

In picture 3 the loom behind the RH throttle body (aft of the red hose) is almost white like bleached linen, is that normal?

Which port on the bike is the red hose connected to, he said it was added at the dealership.

The headlight never came on the whole time we tried to start it, is that normal?
(I think I read somewhere the light comes on only when the motor is running)

If he accepts my offer the first thing I will have to purchase is a new battery
The Yuasa site calls for YTX20CH-BS That is what's fitted
I thought it was strange that it didn't crank with the jumper cables but I guess it needs a good connection to a good battery, this one is absolutely done.

[pete roper]

In picture 3 the loom behind the RH throttle body (aft of the red hose) is almost white, is that normal?
Which port on the bike is the red hose connected to, he said it was added at the dealership.

Is this the correct battery for the bike, if he accepts my offer that's the first thing I will have to purchase.
Yuasa YTX20CH-05

I have no idea what the red hose is for? Perhaps it's a spare penis gourd in case his falls off! The white stuff is sheathing on part of the loom I believe and yes, all the early ones bleach. Whether it's just the sun or the dye washes out I don't know but it's normal and harmless.

With the battery, even if you don't get a Yuassa, make sure the number in the middle is 20, not 16. Both are externally identical but one is a 20AH and one a 16AH, won't be a problem in warm weather but once it gets cold it will encourage the Startus Interuptus problem and it won't hold a Cherie or last as long as a 20AH.

Make sure you READ and follow to the letter the instructions for puting the new battery into service. You can't just put the acid in, install it and ride. Well, you can, but it'll blow half the acid out all over your bike and warp it's plates for good measure!

Pete

[Huzo]

Make sure you READ and follow to the letter the instructions for puting the new battery into service. You can't just put the acid in, install it and ride. Well, you can, but it'll blow half the acid out all over your bike and warp it's plates for good measure!

Pete

Will you give me the guts on that please ?
It sounds important. I replaced my battery in Moi Rana (Norway), and I'll admit, that's exactly what I did. There's been no sign of the acid reflux thing yet (shitty arse luck I guess), but what's the tutorial on the plate warping thing Peter.

[KiwiKev]

Isn't one of the gel type batteries the way to go ?

No more messy acid spills with them - seems to work fine in my old cali at least.

Does the Greaso need more amps when it's cranking ?


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[pete roper]

God's teeth! There are INSTRUCTIONS IN THE BOX, doesn't anybody read anything any more!

With an inactivated AGM battery you need to stick the acid in and then give it time, the instructions say an hour, I prefer overnight, to allow the acid to be fully absorbed by the plates. Then a swift charge at a fairly high rate and it's ready to be put into service.

If you don't allow the plates and mats to absorb the acid fully the charge from the alternator will cause the plates to warp and short internally creating excessive heat which will boil the acid and blurt it out everywhere.

Pete

[Kiwi_Roy]

God's teeth! There are INSTRUCTIONS IN THE BOX, doesn't anybody read anything any more!
 

Real men don't read the instructions , you know that.

If I pick up a battery it will be the day before then a leisurely Train and ride

Thanks Pete

[kirb]

What would be considered a good deal or price on a 1100 Grisso? Good to excellent condition and under 15K miles. Just curious. I would like to see one in my future.
I am always interested to read the Grisso threads to see the various issues and resolutions.

I just sold a 2007 red Gris(s)o with 12,XXX miles for just under $5k to my ex-girlfriends now husband who lives in the UK...  2V head models seem to go for $4k-$6k with most actual sales going at the mid-low end of that spectrum in the US. It was on CL for a few weeks without any hits, never tried to sell aggressively as he showed interest shortly after I put it up on my Facebook page.

[Huzo]

God's teeth! There are INSTRUCTIONS IN THE BOX, doesn't anybody read anything any more!

With an inactivated AGM battery you need to stick the acid in and then give it time, the instructions say an hour, I prefer overnight, to allow the acid to be fully absorbed by the plates. Then a swift charge at a fairly high rate and it's ready to be put into service.

If you don't allow the plates and mats to absorb the acid fully the charge from the alternator will cause the plates to warp and short internally creating excessive heat which will boil the acid and blurt it out everywhere.

Pete

Ummm. Thank you.
I was not in a position to do exactly that, but as it happens I didn't know though.

[KiwiKev]

So what's the guts on these new fangled AGM batteries then ?


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[ITSec]

So what's the guts on these new fangled AGM batteries then ?

Like it says - 'no initial charging required'. That says nothing about proper prep and installation. Just like always, an AGM battery needs to have the acid put in it and to be sealed, and then LEFT ALONE FOR AN HOUR for best results. Once done, it will be a notable improvement over earlier types of batteries (particularly in areas such as sulphiting and vibration resistance) but it is still in essence an advanced form of the traditional lead-acid battery.

Use without this initial step may be successful, but will not allow the battery to achieve optimum life and capability.

[KiwiKev]

Like it says - 'no initial charging required'. That says nothing about proper prep and installation. Just like always, an AGM battery needs to have the acid put in it and to be sealed, and then LEFT ALONE FOR AN HOUR for best results. Once done, it will be a notable improvement over earlier types of batteries (particularly in areas such as sulphiting and vibration resistance) but it is still in essence an advanced form of the traditional lead-acid battery.

Use without this initial step may be successful, but will not allow the battery to achieve optimum life and capability.

Mm, I think mine had been set up already as I don't recall having to mess around with acid.

[ITSec]

Mm, I think mine had been set up already as I don't recall having to mess around with acid.

Normally, the shop that sells it cracks open the box, takes a very nicely prepared segmented plastic container with the acid mix in it and breaks the seals, pours it into the battery and then applies a permanent sealing strip across the top of the cells. They then should allow it to sit and do what Pete described and I referenced, and allow it to sit and both absorb into the glass mats and activate the plate chemistry. While the batter will function as soon as the acid is in place, it will have longer life and higher capacity is the time for this to occur is provided.

Unless you received a box that still had factory tape closing it and a fancy molded plastic segmented container with acid, the shop did this for you.

[Kiwi_Roy]

Surprisingly little information on filling an AGM
https://www.atbatt.com/motorcycle-batteries/how-to-fill-and-charge-yuasa-ytx14-bs-motorcycle-battery

[ITSec]

Surprisingly little information on filling an AGM
https://www.atbatt.com/motorcycle-batteries/how-to-fill-and-charge-yuasa-ytx14-bs-motorcycle-battery

They don't make a distinction, but that procedure applies to all types of lead-acid batteries. AGM or not, that's how it's done...

[KiwiKev]

They don't make a distinction, but that procedure applies to all types of lead-acid batteries. AGM or not, that's how it's done...

Have a look at Motobatt.com you can specify the make , year and cc rating .

Mine is an MBTX12U and it specifies 12U on their site - gives all the specs etc. would be interesting to see how it compares to the Yuasa equivalent.

Mine was quite reasonably priced, no dearer than a conventional battery I don't think.

I like the idea of no acid spills with them.


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[Kiwi_Roy]

Kevin,
         Your Motobatt is quite small, only 12 AH so it won't have much cranking time, Pete recommended a 20 AH for the Griso. I think the later bikes are more fussy about battery Voltage.
Luckily you have a nice steep driveway to get a bump start if you need it.

I helped an owner with one of those 4 terminal Motobatts, he accidentally put it in backwards it would crank over ok but no spark (Bosch starters don't care about the polarity) but he ECU has a Safety Diode that prevents it powering up if the polarity is wrong. 
Your P8 ECU has the diode inside in series with the ECU relay coil,
http://www.thisoldtractor.com/guzzi007/schematics/1996_Sport_1100i.gif  Pin 4 to Negative if I remember, it's quite easy to blow those diodes, don't ask me how I know.
Later ECUs just have the diode outside
http://www.thisoldtractor.com/guzzi007/schematics/1998_EV.gif  Item (51)