Author Topic: Griso/Norge Shop Stand  (Read 3770 times)

Offline Kiwi_Roy

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Griso/Norge Shop Stand
« on: September 18, 2017, 05:19:00 AM »
I think I finally have the stand to a point where I want it, It's very easy to make with simple tools
The idea is to provide a means of lifting the rear wheel without hydraulic aids like a jack or lift table.
It's possible to raise the rear wheel in about a minute flat for changing tires or removing the rear swing arm.

Dimension Sketch (not to scale)
https://image.ibb.co/bCuqHb/0665_001.jpg

50" 6 x 2 Lumber
12" 4 x 2 Lumber
18" 1/2" pipe
19" 1/2" Ready Rod with nuts & washers
The large hole in the left hand lift plate is to allow for removal of the rear swing-arm pivot bolt.

Overview to show how the stand fits together through the chassis.
https://image.ibb.co/io4kiG/IMG_1967.jpg

Left Side lifting plate fitted with bike on the prop stand.
https://image.ibb.co/kKgFiG/IMG_1969.jpg

Showing where the pivot bolt is located behind peg plate
If you are going to remove the rear swing arm remove the plate first.
https://image.ibb.co/ccKqHb/IMG_1971.jpg
Sorry about being sideways, having a bit of trouble with IMG


I left the Mk I Version here, it works particularly well with a motorcycle lift.
Griso Shop Stand Mk I
This version was just knocked together quickly to prove the concept.
Faced with pulling apart the rear end of my Griso I started to think about a shop stand.
As it happens I didn't get it finished in time but last night I had half an hour to spare.

2 lengths of 2 x 4 for lift plates
14" of 1/2" pipe - I found some heavy wall Aluminum tube which is nice
16" of 1/2" ready rod, nuts and washers (actually 1/4" would have done)
3/4" speed bit, hammer and chisel
Slide the tube through the frame hole Luigi provided, you will have to ease it a tad for 1/2" pipe, a rat tail file makes short work of the washer in each end.



The wooden lift plates slide over each end of the tube and engage with the footrest to lock them in place and prevent rotation, secured by the ready rod through the tube.



You may be wondering why I made the lift plates so short, it just so happens I had two lengths available.
To lift the bike I simply run my motorcycle jack underneath.



And jack her up, this is very secure with the nuts just finger tight.



 
If you remove the footpeg plates in order to pull the swing arm make the lift plates in more of an "A" shape for stability since the footpegs aren't there to lock the plates.
« Last Edit: November 07, 2017, 02:58:28 PM by Kiwi_Roy »
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Re: Griso Shop Stand
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2017, 08:37:19 AM »
Very creative. I got tired of balancing the Griso using wood blocks and the floor jack, I finally bit the bullet and purchased the stand, much faster and more secure now.

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Re: Griso Shop Stand
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2017, 09:07:56 AM »
Yes those are very nice but not much use for pulling the swing arm, as I said some adaption is needed on the left hand side.
I hear you on the floor jack it would be easy to topple off that.
Besides, I just had to find some use for that hole through the frame LOL

Anyway, here's the idea for anyone wanting to make a good secure stand in a hurry

I must say I like yours in red with wire wheels.
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Re: Griso Shop Stand
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2017, 02:15:46 PM »
Looking at ZR's photo, you can almost imagine a larger version of the Becker stand that pivoted on a rod through the hole. The Becker stand's wheels are an important feature giving more leverage for raising the bike (I think), so wheels might be attached to the leading edge of large plywood triangles that replicate the functions of the Becker L-arms, including having the proper angles so the bike is stable once the triangles are pushed forward on their wheels to raise the bike. A big problem would be how to keep the triangles parallel to each other without making brackets that interfered with function.

Look, take another 20 minutes tonight and whip something like that up, OK?  :thumb:

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P.S. Really like your bike Zebra.

P.P.S. And your stand, Roy.
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Re: Griso Shop Stand
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Re: Griso Shop Stand
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2017, 05:03:35 PM »
If you take the footpeg-plates (footpeg mounts) to remove the rear swing arm there's nothing to mount the Becker stand.

I don't think there is any point putting wheels on,
Assuming the footpeg plates are off starting out with the lift plates angled backwards it will lift and drop into place.
There is no need for any bracing with the lift plates over the footpegs.
With the footpeg plates removed a simple 2x4 on edge between the lift plates is all it would require to be rock solid.

I'm a wood butcher but I do like working with Aluminum
Let see what you can come up with.
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Re: Griso Shop Stand
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2017, 09:52:31 PM »
If you take the footpeg-plates (footpeg mounts) to remove the rear swing arm there's nothing to mount the Becker stand.

I don't think there is any point putting wheels on,
Assuming the footpeg plates are off starting out with the lift plates angled backwards it will lift and drop into place.
There is no need for any bracing with the lift plates over the footpegs.
With the footpeg plates removed a simple 2x4 on edge between the lift plates is all it would require to be rock solid.

I'm a wood butcher but I do like working with Aluminum
Let see what you can come up with.

Yes, I've reconsidered my leverage idea about the wheels; doesn't make sense. But they do allow the front wheel to remain in place (for example, in a chock) while the bike is levered up. I don't have time to mess around with this idea right now.

I like aluminum too.

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Re: Griso Shop Stand
« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2017, 03:25:11 AM »
I'd be very interested in a solution for lifting the Griso without side plates. Mine are permanently removed. I did try a a modified centre-lift stand (a la Bursig), but the Griso is just too heavy.





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Re: Griso Shop Stand
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2017, 02:00:43 PM »
Those are Bellagio footrest and lever control mounts. Spendy if you buy them new!

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Re: Griso Shop Stand
« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2017, 04:58:51 PM »
Those are Bellagio footrest and lever control mounts. Spendy if you buy them new!


Look again, Pete. Those are the home made mounts with Joker Machine rear sets.

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Re: Griso Shop Stand
« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2017, 05:08:50 PM »

BTW I like the look of your Griso without the footrest plates, was that a kit or roll your own?



Roll my own. 6mm Al plate, hand cut. Joker Machine rear sets. Straight outlet master cylinder with pressure switch.

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Re: Griso Shop Stand
« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2017, 05:35:31 PM »
Very creative. I got tired of balancing the Griso using wood blocks and the floor jack, I finally bit the bullet and purchased the stand, much faster and more secure now.

I really liked the Becker Technik stand when I owned my 2012 Griso 8vSE.  For most of my maintenance activity (cleaning rear wheel/tire, using the stand in combo with a scissors jack to remove front and rear wheels for a trip to the tire shop, etc) it was perfect.

I still have it, in the event I have a Griso craving once again ..... and that's always possible.
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Re: Griso Shop Stand
« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2017, 12:52:31 AM »

Look again, Pete. Those are the home made mounts with Joker Machine rear sets.

Sorry, didn't really look. Last time I saw it it had the Bellagio kit on it. Didn't realise you'd gone batshit crazy on it! :laugh:

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Re: Griso Shop Stand
« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2017, 01:15:31 AM »
Sorry, didn't really look. Last time I saw it it had the Bellagio kit on it. Didn't realise you'd gone batshit crazy on it! :laugh:


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Re: Griso Shop Stand
« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2017, 11:04:35 AM »
 This the one Roy??   Bumped! :thumb:

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Re: Griso Shop Stand
« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2017, 08:44:30 PM »
Hey there zebraranger... what kind of leather bag is that you have mounted?  Its exactly what I'm looking for to carry around a few small tools.

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Re: Griso Shop Stand
« Reply #15 on: October 19, 2017, 03:40:48 PM »
Bump
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Re: Griso Shop Stand
« Reply #16 on: October 19, 2017, 04:02:05 PM »
My Griso 1200SE on front and rear stands.



The rear stand was designed for my 1200 Sport, hence the necessity of the planks to raise the height slightly.  If turning the wheel is not required, then they are not required to simple hold the bike vertical.



A close up of the bobbin mounted on the pillion footrest. 

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Re: Griso/Norge Shop Stand
« Reply #17 on: October 19, 2017, 06:00:31 PM »
Very nice Dave :thumb: but the object of the exercise was to make use of that dirty great hole Luigi left in the bikes.

Someone asked me what it was for so I had to come up with an answer.

Your rear stand could have just as easy lifted further forward on said hole
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Re: Griso/Norge Shop Stand
« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2017, 06:08:20 PM »
No, I disagree it would be easier.  It would be harder, because the length of the lift arm is longer, reducing any mechanical advantage.  I know, I tried this.

Besides, my dirty great hole is now blocked with my puncture repair kit.


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Re: Griso/Norge Shop Stand
« Reply #19 on: October 19, 2017, 07:13:41 PM »
No, I disagree it would be easier.  It would be harder, because the length of the lift arm is longer, reducing any mechanical advantage.  I know, I tried this.

Besides, my dirty great hole is now blocked with my puncture repair kit.

The repair kit is a good idea, did you knock out one of the washers?
Mine doesn't use a lift arm as such, the two boards are bolted to the bike while its on the side stand.
Then it's stood up on the RH side and a 3" block is slipped under the left.
To get it back down push it over and kick the block out.

I would have stands like yours but live in an apartment, I don't have room to store them when not in use or the tools to make them.
I had to pull the swing arm for greasing with the bike supported under the sump, it occurred to me this is not very safe so I offer my simple wooden idea as a solution for those in like situation
Cheers.
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Re: Griso/Norge Shop Stand
« Reply #20 on: October 19, 2017, 08:27:14 PM »
The repair kit is a good idea, did you knock out one of the washers?

Yep, I knocked out one, before discovering I should have removed a couple of screws.  The one on the other side came out intact.

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