The best gun for MEN?

[JukeboxGothic]

This is for the handgun enthusiasts on the board. About as interesting a discussion as I have seen on the subject.
https://youtu.be/1Tb9-d1s__c

[Lannis]

This is for the handgun enthusiasts on the board. About as interesting a discussion as I have seen on the subject.
https://youtu.be/1Tb9-d1s__c

Watched about 2 minutes of it, noted the location from which it was posted, it all came together pretty quick.

Lannis

[Huzo]

Mutton gun !

[guzzisteve]

Big & simple, no aiming required.

[sidecarnutz]

OK. That was funny. Nice to see a sense of humor on a sensitive subject.
I have personally found guns are like golf clubs. You need a good selection of them made for different shots!

[fotoguzzi]

You know what they say about a guy with a big pickup truck.....

I just scored a sweet never fired Henry .22 Carbine.. got a steal of a deal.

[normzone]

Nice !

I think somewhere in the Henry family there is a 45-70 variant of that carbine. I have a hankering for one ....

[Shorty]

My speed.

[Gliderjohn]

From normzone:

I think somewhere in the Henry family there is a 45-70 variant of that carbine. I have a hankering for one ....

Might ask your shoulder first especially if it come with a crescent butt plate.
GliderJohn

[Chuck in Indiana]

A 45-70 is black powder isn't it? <scratching head> I've never shot a black powder gun that was anything more than a push.

[Sheepdog]

45-70 used 70 grains of black powder back in the Springfield days, but uses smokeless powder now. Sorta the same as the 30-30. I understand the smokeless powder versions are purposely slowed down to accommodate older guns, but ignition is still a great deal quicker. 45-70s still kick pretty hard...harder still if handloaded for modern rifles. Think .450 Marlin.

[Gliderjohn]

Actually their were two military loads for the 45-70 back in the 19th century. The regular infantry load was 70 grains of black powder pushing a 405gr. bullet. The calvery used a 55 grain load in the lighter carbines because the 70 load kicked to hard. Remember these rifles had crescent shaped metal butt plates. Yes, black powder is more if a push but can be a very hard push.
GliderJohn

[nsmith]

I like my 45-70 long octagon barrel Marlin just remember to pull the stock in tight before you touch the bang lever and it ain't that bad. I will NOT fire it again from the prone position, EVER.

[Sheepdog]

Actually their were two military loads for the 45-70 back in the 19th century. The regular infantry load was 70 grains of black powder pushing a 405gr. bullet. The calvery used a 55 grain load in the lighter carbines because the 70 load kicked to hard. Remember these rifles had crescent shaped metal butt plates. Yes, black powder is more if a push but can be a very hard push.
GliderJohn

A 45-90 was also popular among dangerous game hunters. The Winchester Model 1886 was chambered in this cartridge and was a favorite of Teddy Roosevelt.

[normzone]

I briefly owned a 45-70. The guy who I got it from coveted my two Eldorados, at that time one in pieces for parts and the other non running.

I was spending all my time and money on horses, he was a gun collector. I was moving and the madness was upon me.

I told him I didn't have any distance guns and for him to bring me something and he could take the bikes. The rifle was a rolling block breech from 1895 with a new long barrel on it, some flip up peep sights and some oddball stock from the junk pile.

With that barrel it weighed a ton, so the recoil was not too bad.

Eventually I traded it back to him for a Honda 450 when I blew my truck motor up and needed wheels while it got rebuilt. Yup, I'm a good guy to do business with. I gave away the Honda after letting it sit and get gummed up carbs.

[Chuck in Indiana]

Norman... I have this bridge I'd give you a deal on..  

[normzone]

Sounds great, but I'd need to know where both ends of it are located first.

If one was at your place and the other not too far from here, we might have a deal.

[rocker59]

.45-70 isn't known for fierce recoil.  Hell, lots of people shoot it in Thompson Contenders.

3 1/2 inch 12 gauge pump. Now there's some recoil.

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[Gliderjohn]

From rocker59:

.45-70 isn't known for fierce recoil.  Hell, lots of people shoot it in Thompson Contenders.

Try some of these:
https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=35
GliderJohn

[et18]

You know what they say about a guy with a big pickup truck.....

I just scored a sweet never fired Henry .22 Carbine.. got a steal of a deal.

I love my Henry .22.  I  probably take 10 guns to the range every time I go and the Henry is always one of my favorites, something about the lever action is just more satisfying than a semi-auto to me.  And you can shoot it all day for $20.

[Frulk]

Since there was a thread drift towards Henrys....

Henry is doing a lot of things right currently. I handled a few of them Monday AM at a small sporting goods store on the way back to Utah coming out of Riverton Wy. Had the opportunity to cycle them and do side by side comparisons on the Marlins (Remlins or Marlingtons as some now call them facetiously).

    Of the 4 Henrys I looked at they all had better wood to metal finish and better wood figuring overall than the 6 Marlins on the wall. Smoothness of the actions was a draw. The Marlins have made some significant improvements recently in regards to overall quality issues they had after being brought under the corporate umbrella of the Freedom Group. No need to rehash that here. Google can provide the extensive back story on that. 

  A fair number of folks seem to have a strong opinion on the center fire Henrys tube magazine. There are those that are hung up, and for some reason need the historical accuracy of the loading gate and if you're one of those then that may be a deal breaker for you.  I have to say that I really like it for a couple of reasons and that's coming from somebody that has a fair number of Winchesters and Marlins.

One thing anyone will notice right off the bat on a side-by-side comparison of the Henry's and Marlins is how fat/wide/bulky (insert whatever descriptor you want here) the new Marlins fore end is when compared to the Henry's. It really is significantly outsized compared not only to the Henry's but its previous generation. I need to go out and look at some of my JM stamped rifles and take a measurement to quantify the difference.

The store had one of their recently introduced new lever action rifles models, the Long Ranger model made in Wisconsin.  Of all the Henrys there it had the best wood, seem to remember it was in .243.  Just a very attractive, relatively light feeling (to me) rifle that should appeal to a lot of folks.

Henry also recently introduced a lever .410 shotgun and 3 models that are the first in a factory offering to chamber the .327 Fed Mag. in a rifle platform.  I'm currently waiting on my local dealer to call me and let me know the rifle version I ordered with a large lever loop is at the store waiting for me to pick up. 

[Gliderjohn]

Henry appears to make fine rifles but I have no complaints about my 1976 Marlin 39A. The posted target was from a bench rest at 50 yards.



GliderJohn

[Frulk]

39A�s have always been sterling shooters. To my knowledge there have been no accuracy issues with the lever Marlins before and after they were bought out. Everything I came across was related to general fit and finish and that now seems to be on the mend. The ones I own are all pre buyout and have decent accuracy considering all of them are chambered for straight walled pistol cases. When I say decent I mean that as hunting, not bench rest accuracy.  It�s probably a wash between the two brands as to which one is more accurate.

[Chuck in Indiana]

Henry appears to make fine rifles but I have no complaints about my 1976 Marlin 39A. The posted target was from a bench rest at 50 yards.



GliderJohn

A friend had one when I was a kid, and a 39A was the first gun I bought when I had some disposable income. It's always been a tack driver, and has furnished some fine eating back in the day.

[guzzitime]

If you want a thrill, take a Quigley Sharps in .45_120 and get sloppy with tucking it in. You will not forget. The

[Chuck in Indiana]

  A fair number of folks seem to have a strong opinion on the center fire Henrys tube magazine. There are those that are hung up, and for some reason need the historical accuracy of the loading gate and if you're one of those then that may be a deal breaker for you.  I have to say that I really like it for a couple of reasons and that's coming from somebody that has a fair number of Winchesters and Marlins.

So, I'm *assuming* it calls for a SWC boolit? Do you have a Henry in .357 or .44 mag? I hand load those calibers, and have a Ruger 44 mag carbine. I was maybe thinking of a Henry..

[Frulk]

So, I'm *assuming* it calls for a SWC boolit? Do you have a Henry in .357 or .44 mag? I hand load those calibers, and have a Ruger 44 mag carbine. I was maybe thinking of a Henry..

Chuck, Henry is a .44 mag and I've only run Hornady XTP's and lead round nose flat point (LRNFP) lead through it. Some levers are a little particular on what they'll feed. My Marlin 1895CB in .45 Colt will eat SWC's just fine but a Winchester AE in .357 mag refuses to digest them consistently. Bigger issue (and I know you know this as a reloader) is the shape of the bullet due to the inline mag with the potential of setting off a primer. I have a ton of LRNFP just for the levers as their steady diets to shoot plate steel.

My take since you're thinking about a Henry:  Pro's: consistently nice wood if you're a traditonalist and are looking for that. Very good wood to metal finish. Smooth action when compared to a Winchester toggle. Usable sights. Both fast AND easy to load and unload.  Can get the large lever loop which has a nice shape and works well with or without gloves. Accurate enough for what you'll need from a .44 mag. Steel receiver is almost a pound lighter than their brass version. Makes a big difference for carrying in the field and brings the overall weight almost down to the Marlins. Having shot both steel and brass Henrys I don't notice the difference in recoil that the pound makes.

Cons: Finish almost looks like parkerizing on their steel receiver guns. I would prefer a deep blue finish. A VERY few reports that under heavy recoil the magazine tube follower jumped out of its detent allowing it to fly out of the mag. I put 20-30 heavy XTP loads with .5 grains less than the max allows of 2400 Win 296 behind them through the rifle and had no such issue. That would be a 2 minute fix that might involve a Dremel and making the detent more pronounced.

Which Ruger Carbine do you have, the original version or the last edition with the mag and Mini 14 action?  Some very opinionated stuff out there about running lead through them and fouling the gas system.  You shooting unjacketed lead through it?

[Chuck in Indiana]

Which Ruger Carbine do you have, the original version or the last edition with the mag and Mini 14 action?  Some very opinionated stuff out there about running lead through them and fouling the gas system.  You shooting unjacketed lead through it?

It's the 10-44. Doesn't work with lead. At all. I run JHCs through it.