Moto Guzzi's Future

[kingoffleece]

I get John's point.  But then again, I like the Triumph "fake" carbs.  I don't see them that way but do see them as a homage to the older way of doing things.

Wait.  Did someone say oil thread?  Good!  I have a question.  My 2001 Jackal book says 20-50 but HAMLIN showed me a paper from MG that superseeds the manual and calls for 10-60.  But!  Some here say NO it's gotta be 10-40.

HHHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLL LLLLLLPPPPPPPPPPPP.   I'm so confused.  Oh, it's a sports bike?  Opps.

[JohninVT]

I get John's point.  But then again, I like the Triumph "fake" carbs.  I don't see them that way but do see them as a homage to the older way of doing things.

Wait.  Did someone say oil thread?  Good!  I have a question.  My 2001 Jackal book says 20-50 but HAMLIN showed me a paper from MG that superseeds the manual and calls for 10-60.  But!  Some here say NO it's gotta be 10-40.

HHHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLL LLLLLLPPPPPPPPPPPP.   I'm so confused.  Oh, it's a sports bike?  Opps.

Was 10-60w 4t even on the market in 2001 when your Jackal was made?  I dunno but at nearly $15 a quart, oil changes are pretty expensive for the new Guzzi's at almost $75 a pop with the filter.  It's $150 to change the plugs, oil and filter and change the gear box oil if you do it yourself on a California 1400.           

[oldbike54]

I get John's point.  But then again, I like the Triumph "fake" carbs.  I don't see them that way but do see them as a homage to the older way of doing things.

Wait.  Did someone say oil thread?  Good!  I have a question.  My 2001 Jackal book says 20-50 but HAMLIN showed me a paper from MG that superseeds the manual and calls for 10-60.  But!  Some here say NO it's gotta be 10-40.

HHHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLL LLLLLLPPPPPPPPPPPP.   I'm so confused.  Oh, it's a sports bike?  Opps.

 20 W50 Dino , unless you like spending money  I'll send a bill for the psychiatry session later 

 Dusty

[Zoom Zoom]

Oh goodie, an oil thread.

John Henry

[oldbike54]

Oh goodie, an oil thread.

John Henry

 It was inevitable John 

 Dusty

[rocker59]

  I have a question.  My 2001 Jackal book says 20-50 but HAMLIN showed me a paper from MG that superseeds the manual and calls for 10-60.  But!  Some here say NO it's gotta be 10-40.

HHHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLL LLLLLLPPPPPPPPPPPP.   I'm so confused.  Oh, it's a sports bike?  Opps.

Solid lifter Guzzis through 2004:  20w50
Hydraulic Lifter Guzzis 2003/2004:  5w40
Small Blocks since 2009, Cal Vintage, CARC Guzzis, and Cal 1400s: 10w60

I doubt your 2001 Cal Jackal has a preference, so use what makes you feel happy.  Some swear by Yak Fat.

[Zoom Zoom]

Mike, Guzzi did change the recommendation to 10/60 on the solids at some point. (2010 or 2012 maybe.) But, yak fat is good, although I prefer virgin olive oil.

John Henry

[rocker59]

Mike, Guzzi did change the recommendation to 10/60 on the solids at some point. (2010 or 2012 maybe.) But, yak fat is good, although I prefer virgin olive oil.

John Henry

On solid lifter big blocks, I thought the change to recommend 10w60 only applied to Cal Vintage, Breva 11/12, Griso 11/12, Norge, and Stelvio.

But I could be wrong.  Steve or Pete should know for sure.

[kingoffleece]

The bulletin is fact-MG now recommends 10-60.
The rest was an attempt at humor.  And, a fine single malt will do for therapy!  Can you tell winter has gone on WAY too long for me yet?

[kingoffleece]

Oil thread?  Oh, yes.  As a full Sicilian I can say the house is stocked with fine oils from Italy, Greece, Spain, and California, but not as such are suited to The California.

[Kev m]

The bulletin is fact-MG now recommends 10-60.
The rest was an attempt at humor.  And, a fine single malt will do for therapy!  Can you tell winter has gone on WAY too long for me yet?

If it's the bulletin I remember (I can't look now as I'm not near my laptop) I THINK it meant on late-model solid lifter California's and mentioned some specifically like the Cal-Vin.

The bulletin mentions changing homologation standards, which wouldn't include open-loop models like the Jackal.

[drbone641]

I just saw this pic and it's not the V85 I saw in other ADV type pics. Did I miss something? This is a beauty!

[JohninVT]

I just saw this pic and it's not the V85 I saw in other ADV type pics. Did I miss something? This is a beauty!

If that ever became a real model in the line up I'd buy one.  I'd love a bike just like that with the 1400 drivetrain in it but I'd be OK with the rumored V85 engine as long as it came close to the numbers being thrown around for power output and weight. 

[Toecutter]

I can tell you that 10-60 is a massive pain in the ass to find, out my way. I have to stock up when I find it (and that's usually only back at my dealer, 6 hours from here). I've checked anywhere and everywhere.

[ramarren]

I just saw this pic and it's not the V85 I saw in other ADV type pics. Did I miss something? This is a beauty!

Now that's a fair pretty machine ... 

[Kristian]

So you're calling your posts thin air.
Ok, agreed. [emoji39]

Look, I get that your little outbursts probably come from a place of hurt feelings over what you perceive to be criticism of V7s, a machine you own. When you're a kid, there's nothing worse than having someone criticize something you like; but, we get over that as we age. That also means it's preferable to stop throwing the toys out of the pram and make stuff up out of whole cloth in arguments; facts work better. Cool, calm, collected. Repeat.

My final on this is that it's best not to bother with what anyone says about whatever you own or your tastes; get to a place where you're happy and confident in your choices, even if you're a big guy on a small bike.

I'm even going to ride a V7 tomorrow as I like them, and as I want to see what the fuss is about.

[Kev m]

Look, I get that your little outbursts probably come from a place of hurt feelings over what you perceive to be criticism of V7s, a machine you own. When you're a kid, there's nothing worse than having someone criticize something you like; but, we get over that as we age. That also means it's preferable to stop throwing the toys out of the pram and make stuff up out of whole cloth in arguments; facts work better. Cool, calm, collected. Repeat.

My final on this is that it's best not to bother with what anyone says about whatever you own or your tastes; get to a place where you're happy and confident in your choices, even if you're a big guy on a small bike.

I'm even going to ride a V7 tomorrow as I like them, and as I want to see what the fuss is about.

I really don't know what you're going on about as I've not had a single outburst, nor do I particularly care much about anyone's opinion of a V7 (be it the Racer or my Stone).

I often talk about how my V7 is the slowest, smallest, and arguably cheapest bike I own, but it matters not since I enjoy it so much.

I just think it's funny the fuss a few here seem to be stirring over semantics, taste, and a whole category of bikes that are largely irrelevant to what I enjoy.

But have at it.

[oldbike54]

 Might be time to put this one to rest fellas , it has bogged down into a morass of personal slights and since we literally aren't learning anything new ...

 Dusty

[Kristian]

Might be time to put this one to rest fellas , it has bogged down into a morass of personal slights and since we literally aren't learning anything new ...

 Dusty

Indeed; Kev m, here's my extended hand--'tis really a buncha nonsense. I'll buy you a dram tonight, though, given our distance, I'll have to drink it myself. What's your preference?

And, as noted, I'll report back on the V7 I'm riding tomorrow.

[Kev m]

Indeed; Kev m, here's my extended hand--'tis really a buncha nonsense. I'll buy you a dram tonight, though, given our distance, I'll have to drink it myself. What's your preference?

And, as noted, I'll report back on the V7 I'm riding tomorrow.

It's all good here my friend.

No offense taken or meant.

Ride safe,

Kev

[kingoffleece]

As long as you're buyin'.............

[bad Chad]

 Oh come on guys really, you're gonna bury the hatchet now just when it was about to get good!

[oldbike54]

Oh come on guys really, you're gonna bury the hatchet now just when it was about to get good!

 Yes they do 

 Dusty

[Kev m]

Oh come on guys really, you're gonna bury the hatchet now just when it was about to get good!

Not for nothing, but was anyone actually upset? I thought this was just friendly banter and a lot of semantics?!?

[Kristian]

It's all good here my friend.

No offense taken or meant.

Ride safe,

Kev

Well, whaddaya havin'?

[Kristian]

As long as you're buyin'.............

Hey, if I end up buying all you guys drinks in absentia and drinking them all myself, I'll get hammered beyond all reason. I'd have to park the Sport 1100 and take the V7 home (no, geez, just kidding!) 

[rdbandkab]

I'm of the same mind with who ever mentioned the thought of an updated V11 series.   I've always lusted after the Sport, Le Mans, and Scura designs...

[twhitaker]

I just saw this pic and it's not the V85 I saw in other ADV type pics. Did I miss something? This is a beauty!

I can picture that with a V11 LeMans fairing on it. Very nice, indeed!

[Kev m]

Well, whaddaya havin'?

About 3 hours of martial arts teaching and training, but around 9:00 pm I'll pop open a Guinness draft can!

[sidecarnutz]

As a dinosaur old fashioned owner, I refuse to own any Guzzi that uses anything but 20w/50.