Where to Get 10W-60 oil ?

[kirb]

Motocarr on ebay sells it by the case, about $13 per liter with shipping

[Ncdan]

I don’t rightly remember where this information came from but I’ve heard that the 10-60 recommended oil is due to the extra heat the closed system with an 02 sensor generates. Therefore if one is changed over to the open loop dropping the 02 sensor 20-50 motorcycle oil is fine. Any thoughts on this?

[webmost]

Amazon 5 liters 40 clams free shipping w/ prime

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CPL918E/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

[Byrdock]

Iron Pony in Ohio has Silkoene 10w-60 on closeout $4.99L $19.99 4L
https://www.ironpony.com/ipd/pl.asp/c3/Oil/c2/Oils-and-Chemicals/c1/Street-Products/closeout/True

[Luap McKeever]

Iron Pony in Ohio has Silkoene 10w-60 on closeout $4.99L $19.99 4L
https://www.ironpony.com/ipd/pl.asp/c3/Oil/c2/Oils-and-Chemicals/c1/Street-Products/closeout/True

What a steal!

[Chuck in Indiana]

Crap. I had 24 bottles in the shopping cart, then checked and it is rated SN. It's probably fine, but I'll stick with SG rated oil.

[kballowe]

Crap. I had 24 bottles in the shopping cart, then checked and it is rated SN. It's probably fine, but I'll stick with SG rated oil.

The "SG" is an obsolete classification that has been reprinted in many owners manuals for many years.  There are even some motorcycle specific oils that show "SG" on the label, if for no other reason that many owner's manuals still spec it.  Some of this has to do with wet clutch compatibility.  Much of this oil also meets the later SL/SM/SN classifications.


As an example - on the label of Amsoil MCV 20W-50 Synthetic Motorcycle oil
"JASO MA/MA-2 � API SG/SL/CF/CG-4 � ISO-L-EMA2"

I have a bottle of Genuine Yamalube that says "SG" - but then (on the side) says "Exceeds API SL"

hahahahaha then I have a bottle of Harley oil that has a picture of a Harley on the label and the grade (20W-50)
I was looking for the words "Put this in your Harley.  Trust us".   lol  - because there are no specs listed

[Kev m]

I don�t rightly remember where this information came from but I�ve heard that the 10-60 recommended oil is due to the extra heat the closed system with an 02 sensor generates. Therefore if one is changed over to the open loop dropping the 02 sensor 20-50 motorcycle oil is fine. Any thoughts on this?

FWIW - even the tech bulletin that came out in 2006 (#010-2006), which is the one that specifically modified oil recommendations to include 10-60 for certain models, specifically said (bold mine):

1100 SERIES California - Mechanical Tappets

Engine Oil: RACING 4T 10W-60 or as an alternative 20W-50


And I'll note there was no similar "or an an alternative" wording attached to the CARC model recommendations.

[Luap McKeever]

From what I've studied in the past, SG rating falls within the SN rating.  G is before N. Therefor, any N rated oil also includes G rating and other prior ratings to SN.




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[kballowe]

I'm not very good at this
I think my point was that "SN" oil is OK.

I apologize for the controversy


After further reading, I have discovered that my owner's manual recommends "a high quality 10W60 motor oil" and goes on to recommend Castrol motor oils.  Castrol only markets one 10W60 motor oil (SN), and I have somehow managed to acquire some of this elusive elixir.

Life is good

Thank-you, everyone.

[TimmyTheHog]

Agreed but for those that don't have this information they are looking for the magic "SG" or now days 4T on the label.
Gives warm and fuzzys!!!

:-)

^whatever Luap said.

Unless you are running SUPER OLD CAR and OLD OLD engine, SN can be reversed used for SG.

If you REALLY concerns about it, I do know Motul 7100 4T is rated from SG to SN







Beside SN, SG...or whatever rated, you need to make sure it IS NOT ENERGY CONSERVING, and JASO MA & MA2 rated.

I know we have dry clutch system, so it may not affect us that much, but I simply like to stick to that rule as "shit happens"

[kballowe]

Iron Pony in Ohio has Silkoene 10w-60 on closeout $4.99L $19.99 4L
https://www.ironpony.com/ipd/pl.asp/c3/Oil/c2/Oils-and-Chemicals/c1/Street-Products/closeout/True

Wow.

THANK-YOU !

8 liters, delivered to my house.  $48 and some change.  "API SG/SH,SJ/SL, CCMC G5 and JASO MA2 certified"

Thanks again.


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[Chuck in Indiana]

Where did you find

"API SG/SH,SJ/SL, CCMC G5 and JASO MA2 certified"

All I'm seeing is SM/SN
I'll buy a few gallons if it is SG..
Edit: After more research it looks as if the only SG rated one is the 5-40.

[Muzz]

There is nothing like an oil thread.

For those that go back a bit, you may remember a few years ago when a dealer (forgotten who) put a post up saying basically, "what is going on. I suddenly have umpteen bikes ranging from a few tens of thousands of miles to the hundreds of thousands all with failed cams/followers." The oil boffins here said that the oil companies had quietly dropped the zinc loadings. This happened with oil ratings at about the SJ time.

A metallurgist said that the zinc prevented "microwelding" happening as the follower rubbed over the cam surface. Although oil manufacturers had put additives in to improve lubrication, they did not prevent the microwelding happening on flat tappet engines like Guzzis.

For myself, from that I look for the zinc loading rather than the rating. I use 10W/60 because the smallblocks run hot. I have used 10W/50 when the 10W/60 was unavailable. Penrite have the zinc loading on their packaging. That's what I use.

[Dilliw]

For myself, from that I look for the zinc loading rather than the rating. I use 10W/60 because the smallblocks run hot. I have used 10W/50 when the 10W/60 was unavailable. Penrite have the zinc loading on their packaging. That's what I use.

Love me an oil thread!  My approach is a little different; I just use what Bubbie uses :) 

Seriously, there's long thread on a Harley site where a guy named Bubbie who lives in Southeast Arizona switched his modified EVO to Liqui Moly 10W60.  His analysis from Blackstone said he should run it out to 7,500 miles between intervals. 

I've been to SE Arizona and I once owned a Harley.  If that oil can handle that combination, with a built motor to boot, I think it will take care of my Griso.

[Chuck in Indiana]

SG rated.. 

[blackbuell]

Anybody use Red Line 10W-60?

Jon

[Chuck in Indiana]

Anybody use Red Line 10W-60?

Jon

It's local, and not too expensive. Unfortunately, unlike all their other oils.. it's *not* SG rated. <shrug>
<oil thread in full bloom>
 

[Ncdan]

FWIW - even the tech bulletin that came out in 2006 (#010-2006), which is the one that specifically modified oil recommendations to include 10-60 for certain models, specifically said (bold mine):

1100 SERIES California - Mechanical Tappets

Engine Oil: RACING 4T 10W-60 or as an alternative 20W-50


And I'll note there was no similar "or an an alternative" wording attached to the CARC model recommendations.

👍

[Chuck in Indiana]

Advisory: Check owner's manual to assure appropriate service category and viscosity grade.  API SM engine oil is backwards compatible. As such, it can be safely used in older vehicles. It should be noted, however, that the use of API SM engine oil in some older "muscle cars" with flat tappet camshafts, has been linked to premature wear.  As such, check owner's manual to assure appropriate service category and viscosity grade.

That's all I'm going to say about it.

[Dilliw]

That's all I'm going to say about it.

Flat tappets???  SG rated oil won't save those in a Guzzi 

[Chuck in Indiana]

Flat tappets???  SG rated oil won't save those in a Guzzi 

 

[Kiwi_Roy]

So what do you thing of using Motoul 20w60 instead?

[Lee Bruns]

So . . . .buying from the Guzzi dealer is out of the question? God forbid they make a nickel, they might keep their doors open if that happened.

[lti_57]

I have been using redline 10w-60 for years
but recently found Liqui-moly and have made the switch to that, On my Norge and for my 87  BMW E30

[Chuck in Indiana]

So what do you thing of using Motoul 20w60 instead?

Many here run Motul 10-60
Meets the following standards: API SL/SH/SG and JASO MA

[TimmyTheHog]

Many here run Motul 10-60
Meets the following standards: API SL/SH/SG and JASO MA

+1 with motul...just a bit pricy if not on sale...

Here is a picture of it if you still doubt it



Now, I think thread is long over due to the fire 

[blackbuell]

I have been using redline 10w-60 for years
but recently found Liqui-moly and have made the switch to that, On my Norge and for my 87  BMW E30

I used Red Line 10W-60 oil in my 2009 Norge for most of its 55 K mile life (totaled on a deer). Though Red Line oils do not have API ratings, the company claims that their 10W-60 oil is recommended for: API SN/SM/SL/SJ/SH/SG/CF and ACEA A3/B3/B4. Might continue to use it in my recently acquired 2007 Norge.

Jon

[jdgretz]

Anybody use Red Line 10W-60?

Jon

Been running it for the last 80,000 miles.  Use their Shockproof 80W in the gear boxes as well.

jdg

[Luap McKeever]

Iron Pony in Ohio has Silkoene 10w-60 on closeout $4.99L $19.99 4L
https://www.ironpony.com/ipd/pl.asp/c3/Oil/c2/Oils-and-Chemicals/c1/Street-Products/closeout/True

Wow, ordered 2 gallons Tuesday at noon, shipped for $48. Came home from work today (Thursday) and they're on my front porch.  That's pretty awesome considering where I live.

Oh, after doing more research on silkolene, I did find this little bit of info on revzilla (where it's $16 a quart):

* Developed and tested in World and National Superbike Racing
* High Viscosity Index, exceptional shear strength and outstanding thermal stability give excellent �stay-in-grade" performance
* Outstanding anti-wear, anti-friction and load-carrying properties
* Meets or exceeds API-SF and SG standards
* Motorcycle 4T JASO-MA certified