2016 Eldorado, As Frustrating as it is Beautiful

[oilhed]

If Moto guzzi comes out with a V85 Eldorado I would be very tempted. 

I don't need or want a 1400 cc Moto Guzzi.

Me, too

I don't NEED any motorcycle and I WANT them all!

[blu guzz]

When you want a shiny new toy, buy the wife something nice first.

[twowheeladdict]

Me, too

I don't NEED any motorcycle and I WANT them all!

Oh, I NEED a motorcycle! 

[LowRyter]

Just looking at photos of the Victorys and my knowledge of the 1400, I would say the Guzzis is more a rider's bike given the extreme forward controls on the Vics.

Just my 2 cents

[Kev m]

Just looking at photos of the Victorys and my knowledge of the 1400, I would say the Guzzis is more a rider's bike given the extreme forward controls on the Vics.

Just my 2 cents

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[twowheeladdict]

Just looking at photos of the Victorys and my knowledge of the 1400, I would say the Guzzis is more a rider's bike given the extreme forward controls on the Vics.

Just my 2 cents

You got that wrong.  Bikes with forward controls are for those who know how to ride.     It does take more skill and confidence to go through the curves fast when you have forward controls.

[LowRyter]

You got that wrong.  Bikes with forward controls are for those who know how to ride.     It does take more skill and confidence to go through the curves fast when you have forward controls.

 

[Lannis]

You got that wrong.  Bikes with forward controls are for those who know how to ride.     It does take more skill and confidence to go through the curves fast when you have forward controls.

Yep!   That's why every racing, competition, and Iron Butt bike is built that way .... !   

Lannis

[twowheeladdict]

Here is my Mean Streak with Jardine Forward Controls installed.  The Mean Streak runs sport bikes wheels/tires, USD forks, and good brakes.  I shocked a few people on this bike.  LOL!

[twowheeladdict]

Yep!   That's why every racing, competition, and Iron Butt bike is built that way .... !   

Lannis

What does that have anything to do with being "built for a rider"? 

[twowings]

You got that wrong.  Bikes with forward controls are for those who know how to ride.     It does take more skill and confidence to go through the curves fast when you have forward controls.

Oh, that must be why all the top MotoGP, Superbike, Supercross, motocross, and enduro riders use highway pegs! 

[Kev m]

Yep!   That's why every racing, competition, and Iron Butt bike is built that way .... !   

Lannis

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Oh, that must be why all the top MotoGP, Superbike, Supercross, motocross, and enduro riders use highway pegs! 

You both realize that was poor logic.

He said it takes more skill to ride em, which translates into it's harder.

Why would anyone build a race or endurance bike etc. and design it to be HARDER to ride?!?

So your posts basically support his supposition.

[Lannis]

So your posts basically support his supposition.

Well, that's nice then ... everyone's happy!

Lannis

[TN Mark]

Well, well, well, I'm back in the Moto Guzzi Eldorado 1400 hunt. But, now it's an all black one please. I'm looking at one this week that's as modified as a 1400 gets regarding Hp and Trq. Still small numbers from what I'm used to on my Victory bikes. Yes, bikes, I added a second Victory instead of buying the Eldorado a couple years ago. That Victory, a 2013 Hard-Ball, is For Sale, It's drop dead gorgeous, sounds amazing and is quite powerful. It's on eBay (TNVicMan) as I write this.

Anyway, a fellow Wildguzzi member and I talked and I was reminded of the 2016 issue regarding the Demand Sensor (TPS). I know the 2017 ECU firmware can be downloaded in the 2016 ECU but the systems will still be somewhat different. From what I understand, the 2017 to 2020 TPS and related systems don't have the issues of the 2016 and earlier bikes.

So far, every Eldorado I've found is a 2016. If a 2016 with 2017 firmware and the GTM fuel management system can be reliable, I'll have another decision to make. Yes, I know a PCV is 'old' technology. But the PCV on my 2012 Victory is still 100% reliable 100% of the time after 100K+ miles. That, and the Guzzi ECU can't be directly re-written like my Hard-Ball and most Harleys.

And, yea, my wife is onboard now for a Guzzi to be in the garage along side my 2012 gloss pearl white Victory Cross Country Tour. Of course it's had all the usual Victory Go faster stuff since 2013. Even 112 RW Hp and 114 RW FtLbsTrq can get 'boring' after a while. The only way to get to 135 Hp and 135 Trq on the Victory is to make the 106" into a 117". Which frankly costs more than either the Victory I'm selling or buying a used Eldorado. So, the Eldorado search is back on.

[blu guzz]

it is interesting to skim back through this 7 year old thread and see some of the names we don't see anymore.  I have a 2016 black with 32,000 miles.  It had 18,000 when I bought it 2 seasons ago.  It has been trouble free in that time.  I have an aftermarket screen by Parabellum and the previous owner installed hard cases on it and they are very large and useful.  I had a custom seat made and Mattris rear shocks and Ago exhaust but that is all it needed in my opinion.  I keep getting tempted by the lighter weight of the 850 V7, but that goes away once I am on the road on the Eldo.  It has such charm and character.  It is very smooth on any length trip you want to take. 

[TN Mark]

it is interesting to skim back through this 7 year old thread and see some of the names we don't see anymore.  I have a 2016 black with 32,000 miles.  It had 18,000 when I bought it 2 seasons ago.  It has been trouble free in that time.  I have an aftermarket screen by Parabellum and the previous owner installed hard cases on it and they are very large and useful.  I had a custom seat made and Mattris rear shocks and Ago exhaust but that is all it needed in my opinion.  I keep getting tempted by the lighter weight of the 850 V7, but that goes away once I am on the road on the Eldo.  It has such charm and character.  It is very smooth on any length trip you want to take. 

Thank you for the post! All too often most of what is posted are problems. A Grok session on a 2016 Eldorado returned issues and problems posted here and the GTM site.

[TN Mark]

I know the 2016 and earlier 1400’s are/were somewhat prone to Demand Sensor/TPS problems. But, I’m reading where the design change and the firmware upgrade in 2017 mostly (completely) removed that concern.

Question: does the 2017 firmware update downloaded to the 2016 ECU mostly take care of the Demand Sensor/TPS problem?
Even though the 2016 and 2017 systems remain mechanically different.