What is this guzzi

[Ncdan]

Someone is wanting to trade this guzzi for a Razor ATV my son has. Can any of you guys tell me what this bike is and approximate value? I know this is kinda vague but I may can get more info later.

[Antietam Classic Cycle]

Was there supposed to be a photo attached?

[oldbike54]

 Kinda looks like a 1999 Inviso model   

 Dusty

[Guzzistajohn]

Ahhhhh, The Wonder Woman model. Not worth much, too hard to find @ bike night.

[Ncdan]

Sorry guys here it comes.




This thing is a Frankenstein!!!

[oldbike54]

 It does have the rare *fur* injection option , one of three if memory serves . A properly set up Jackal has less than zero need for a Power Commander so that is meaningless , find out who actually built this thing before making a move , it is sort of interesting , but an improperly done conversion can be a nightmare .

 What model Razr do you have ?

 Dusty

[guzzisteve]

Make sure it's not hot and has documents

[Ncdan]

It does have the rare *fur* injection option , one of three if memory serves . A properly set up Jackal has less than zero need for a Power Commander so that is meaningless , find out who actually built this thing before making a move , it is sort of interesting , but an improperly done conversion can be a nightmare .

 What model Razr do you have ?

 Dusty

It's my sons Dusty. I'll get more information tomorrow. This bike is not far from where we live in the Piedmont area of NC. From the picture I can tell it's been repainted. It's looks good in the photo but I've been fooled too many times from pictures. I told my boy I'd be willing to go look at it. I think he said the guy is asking 4K outright.

[oldbike54]

It's my sons Dusty. I'll get more information tomorrow. This bike is not far from where we live in the Piedmont area of NC. From the picture I can tell it's been repainted. It's looks good in the photo but I've been fooled too many times from pictures. I told my boy I'd be willing to go look at it. I think he said the guy is asking 4K outright.

 Well , a nice well set up Jackal will bring $2K ,  so unless your boy really wants *Frankie* ...

 Dusty

[jrt]

That's an interesting bag of parts-
You can't put dollar figure on it (ok, I guess someone can). 
I would be really, really skeptical.   

[Cam3512]

Looks like a Paul Linn special.  He lives in NC, and has done some nice Loopframe frankenbikes. 

Great guy. 

[Daniel Kalal]

(nothing to add; just wanted a larger photograph)

[guzzisteve]

I'll bet that bike will have less glitches than your C14.

[Turin]

I remember a time when this board would be going nuts over a squarefin loop conversion. Mark Etheridge did one, and there was a another one that was a BFD. (These are the days when board members were pining for Guzzi to make a new Eldorado)
4K seems cheap to me.

now with links!

http://www.motoguzziclassics.com/MGCCustom13.asp
http://www.motoguzziclassics.com/MGCCustom5.asp

[arveno]

if this is legit i cannot believe is still for sale .
I like it and i do not think you can build one similar with less than 4 k .

[Antietam Classic Cycle]

Looks like a Paul Lind special.  He lives in NC, and has done some nice Loopframe frankenbikes. 

Great guy.

It was indeed built by Paul Linn, one of a number of "customs" he's built. Tom Formberg owned one and so did Mike Skaggs. Paul builds some nice bikes, that usually have a few "bugs" to work out. IMO, it's a bargain for $4k.

[Ncdan]

The thing about the power command needing tweaking due to low rpm popping, I think that's how it was put, is this something that can be tuned after removing the power commander?

[Ncdan]

That's an interesting bag of parts-
You can't put dollar figure on it (ok, I guess someone can). 
I would be really, really skeptical.

I think the bike may be in Gibsonville NC.

[guzzisteve]

The thing about the power command needing tweaking due to low rpm popping, I think that's how it was out, it tjis something that can be tuned after removing the power commander?

Yes.

[Groover]

Looks very nice.

[Kev m]

(nothing to add; just wanted a larger photograph)

Holy CRAP - that thing looks and sounds AWESOME.

Now THAT'S A 74' Eldo I COULD OWN!

Do EEETTTTTT!!!!!

[lucian]

I'll bet that bike will have less glitches than your C14.

That's just mean. 
Looks interesting Dan,  even Fur injected.   

[guzzisteve]

Wasn't trying to be mean at all, but there is a reason why lots who buy the C14 dump them.

[Chuck in Indiana]

There are FrankenGuzzis and *nice* FrankenGuzzis. Looks like a nice one to me. Value is in the eye of the beholder, though.

[TN Mark]

This looks fine to me and it would be a fun bike to play with. A 2000 Jackal 1100 engine should be very stout. Make sure it has the twin plate clutch assembly with the 5 speed. A properly set up and tuned Power Commander is a wonderful device. Whether the Jackal engine/EFI/intake/exhaust is bone stock or modified. Again, the stock fuel map wasn't designed for the benefit of the engine or power, it was only as a mandate from the government. Being able to tune each cylinder's AFR and the engine timing with a PCV is excellent option. Sadly, few Moto Guzzi owners seem to realize this. Likely due to such small numbers of bikes and even fewer tuning centers knowing much about tuning a Guzzi. That and having a bike properly dyno tuned costs a few bucks.

If there's an air leak in any of the exhaust connections that could also cause some popping. It really depends on the circumstances of the popping.

[Ncdan]

This looks fine to me and it would be a fun bike to play with. A 2000 Jackal 1100 engine should be very stout. Make sure it has the twin plate clutch assembly with the 5 speed. A properly set up and tuned Power Commander is a wonderful device. Whether the Jackal engine/EFI/intake/exhaust is bone stock or modified. Again, the stock fuel map wasn't designed for the benefit of the engine or power, it was only as a mandate from the government. Being able to tune each cylinder's AFR and the engine timing with a PCV is excellent option. Sadly, few Moto Guzzi owners seem to realize this. Likely due to such small numbers of bikes and even fewer tuning centers knowing much about tuning a Guzzi. That and having a bike properly dyno tuned costs a few bucks.

If there's an air leak in any of the exhaust connections that could also cause some popping. It really depends on the circumstances of the popping.

👍

[JohninVT]

It’s a nice looking bike and appears to have been done well.  4K is probably about right but that depends how many miles are on the drivetrain and a few other things.  Trade value is lower that purchase so if I was trading Something toward it I’d suggest 3k-3.5.  A Power Commander isn’t bad but it’s also not usually needed unless you swap exhausts and a bike runs lean.  Slapping one on a bike doesn’t automatically make it run any better.

I don’t agree that people are dumping 1400’s because they’re bad.  I think people sell or trade them because they didn’t really know what it was when they bought them.  They have the same issues every other Guzzi does. 

[oldbike54]

 Let me repeat , a Power Commander does nothing for a properly set up Guzzi motor from that era . If it isn't running properly it means that something is wrong , the PC is just masking something , and likely dumping more fuel in than the engine actually wants .

 Rant over .

 Dusty

[twhitaker]

Really tempting. I'd make it look more like an Eldo, even put a belt driven alternator on. Black with original pinstriping.

[Antietam Classic Cycle]

If there's an air leak in any of the exhaust connections that could also cause some popping. It really depends on the circumstances of the popping.

There two areas where a leak could occur on that bike:

It has Loopframe headpipes with have a different flange than Tonti frame headpipes. Unless they've been modified or some sort of adapter made, there's a very good chance that they're not sealing well at the head. been there, fought that.

The mufflers are made by MAC which in my experience don't fit very tightly onto the headpipes. I've found it necessary to use thin aluminum shims a sealer to get them to stop leaking.

Those two could be part of the reason it's popping, but the headpipes are quite blue as well.