Indian FTR

[Darren Williams]

When Indian first came back, with only 3 versions of the "Chief" model, I was hoping for a full line. The big touring bikes called the Chief, ADV bike called the Scout, Sport-touring bike called the Brave, something just like the FTR1200 called the Warrior...  You get the theme.  We joked their Sportster like bike could be called the Squaw. We were not being nice and I apologize if that offended anyone.

I hope this continues with much success and someday I might trade off the GS for one of their ADV-Touring bikes..

[rocker59]

OOOPS, I missed that post.

Scout numbers were 100 crank hp / 72 torques -----> MC.com got 85 rwhp / 65 torques,  CW got 86/64.

On the videos I've watched, Indian is saying the FTR's engine is based on, but different from, the Scout.

New cases.  New Crank. Lightweight alloys used on all the covers.  They're claiming a huge weight savings in the FTR engine, as compared to the Scout engine.

Cool hotrod stuff. 

[LowRyter]

This thing doesn't have the current Scout engine.

Pretty obvious.

[rocker59]

Thanks Captain.

This thing doesn't have the current Scout engine.

Pretty obvious.

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[DorsetBlue]

"Scout engine"?  This one has 120hp (possibly a real hunderd).  And the current Scout has maybe 70? 

I be might happy with a "Scout" (70hp) with midmounts at $7k.

The Scout engine is the same as the Victory Project 152 engine and therefore the Victory Octane - just states of tune varied.  That's the whole point of it, it does different jobs for different bikes.  There were whispers of a water cooled bigger Victory engine in development (think > 1500cc) which was originally for the next generation Victory Cross bikes but that disappeared off of the radar when Victory was canned.  Expect that engine to re-appear (like this Project 152 engine) in Indian bikes of various guises within the next few years.

[Aaron D.]

Some different bits, not sure how many parts would interchange but they are both in such a mild state of tune you'd get more power from a remap of some sort. Not that either needs it.

[Darren Williams]

When I test rode several Scouts (and the Octane), it's engine and gear box seemed very good. This is from Indian, I'm sure it is crank, but the power numbers and my feel were quite good.

HP = 100
ft-lbs= 72
Peak Torque = 6000 RPMs

https://www.indianmotorcycle.com/en-us/scout/specs/

[BrotherJim]

Just to clear up any confusion, Indian started with the Scout engine on the FTR1200 and made many of modifications.  It is not a situation like the Scout FTR750, www.indianmotorcycl e.com/.../flat-track-race/ftr750, where they designed and built a completely different engine.  Those racers that were able to purchase one were paying upwards of $40-50K for that bike.  Designing and building a completely new engine for the FTR1200 would have resulted in an even more costly machine than their current starting prices of $13-15K that would have surely resulted in a sales failure for Indian, obviously. 

[rocker59]

info on the FTR1200 engine:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQgis63r2r8

[Darren Williams]

The FTR 1200 motor sounds really strong. Plenty of torque to make a little over 500 lb bike move quite well! I just hope as they tweek it for more power, they didn't give up durability. On paper I think Indian has knocked it out of the park with the FTR and look forward to what else they come up with based on this platform.
 

My experience with the 1100 Scout motor was equally impressed. It was on par with my 1200 Sport, which never seemed to lack get up and go. Both at or near 100 HP and in the 70s for torque with a red line of 8000. And both shifted quite well. It was just being wasted in a cruiser layout.    That motor, as is, in the FTR would have been no slough, IMHO.

Other than tank size, this would have been a real contender for my $$$, if I hadn't just bought a new Griso (that also needs about an extra gallon of fuel capacity).

[LowRyter]

sounds like a great bike for $10k

[blu guzz]

Watching that guy do wheelies really makes me want one bad.  Not.

[rocker59]

sounds like a great bike for $10k

John, I don't recall you being such a pessimist when a new bike was released.

[LowRyter]

John, I don't recall you being such a pessimist when a new bike was released.

I've been at the Indian dealer several times, just to see if they could sell a regular Scout with midmounts and maybe a little cafe tuck and flyscreen.  The sales guy give me a "deer in the headlights" look (after I explained what midmounts are).

This looks like a cool bike.  But it's a pretty expensive toy at $13-15k (for that money you can get a Duc Super Sport, a "real motorcycle" with a gas tank).  If I was going to spend my money, which I ain't, there are several Duactis for that much money that are real performers.  Not to mention some of the new middleweights like the Kaw 900, Suzuki 1000 naked, and Yamaha 900 triple for $10k.

I am as curious about the small tires and long wheelbase as I am the engine and frame. 

[Aaron D.]

There are several sets of mid-mounts for Scouts-but I think the would be cramped as heck.

You can buy the Krazy Horse kit too..

[Darren Williams]

There are several sets of mid-mounts for Scouts-but I think the would be cramped as heck.

You can buy the Krazy Horse kit too..

You're right from my view point. The Scout has a cruiser frame with a very low seat. Putting you're feet under the seat would be a no-go unless the seat could be raised 6". It would probably need a completely different frame, kinda like the FTR.   

[LowRyter]

meh

[oilhed]

You're right from my view point. The Scout has a cruiser frame with a very low seat. Putting you're feet under the seat would be a no-go unless the seat could be raised 6". It would probably need a completely different frame, kinda like the FTR.   

Or a seat like this

on this

[rocker59]

If I could find one of those Beemer seats, I'd probably buy a Scout...

That seat along with the 1920 beach bars would make it just right!

Or a seat like this

on this

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[oilhed]

I'm sure if you could fabricate a pan someone will stuff it for you.  Think, high density foam.  If I knew of high quality, decent priced, mid-pegs I might be tempted, too.

[Darren Williams]

The second picture, Scout after the BMW, still looks way to low for proper peg location under the seat. At least to me.

I'd just hold off till they make one close to the right configuration, that is able to work as a sport touring bike.

 

[oilhed]

The second picture, Scout after the BMW, still looks way to low for proper peg location under the seat. At least to me.

That's why you need a thick, tall, puffy seat like on the BMW

[Aaron D.]

Scout is my sport tourer.

[et18]

sounds like a great bike for $10k

Yep, beautiful bike and I would love to have one but $15K sounds like a lot of money for a bike like this.  Having said that, I think it's one of the most exciting bikes to come out this year. 

[Kev m]

You're right from my view point. The Scout has a cruiser frame with a very low seat. Putting you're feet under the seat would be a no-go unless the seat could be raised 6". It would probably need a completely different frame, kinda like the FTR.   

Rearsets do not equal mid-mounts.

That is all...

[LowRyter]

well crap,  I might've found my next bike.   Hopefully it's cheaper than the subject bike. 





https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/suzuki-shows-new-katana-at-intermot

[bad Chad]

Really?  You would be good riding that thing?  I do apperciate the attempt to recall the original Katana, that was one way cool bike.  This thing, well, it missis the target.  But to each his own!

[LowRyter]

Having ridden the bike it's based on Chad, HELL YEAH!

[oilhed]

Rearsets do not equal mid-mounts.

That is all...

Footpegs at least directly under the front edge of the seat.  Used to me the norm, now you never see 'em.

[JohninVT]

I love all of these new bikes hitting the market.  The Panamerica/Dirtglide is pretty cool(even though I hate the stacked headlights).  The FTR looks good on paper and I’ll check one out when they hit dealers.  The new Katana shown above is a gsx-s1000 restyled and with a smaller tank.  I’d ride one because the S and F(and the Katana) all have the K5 GSX-R1000 engine and it’s sublime.  I also love the Honda NeoCafe series.  The CB300R in red is a fantastic looking bike.  The XSR700 and 900 are great.  Basically, the 80’s are back again.  Bikes have round headlights and standard ergonomics. 

What surprises me the most about all the new bikes coming out is that for the first time in my 49 year life...I am lusting after a Harley.  The Streetfighter is the only Harley I’ve ever seen that immediately had me frantically searching the web for every possible scrap of information.  I hope it’s a Monster 821 without the stupid maintenance costs and with dealers on every street corner.