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Re: (NGC) H-D Custom 1200 Sportster
« Reply #30 on: October 21, 2018, 12:51:24 PM »
While you're at it.  What year & models had rubber motor mounts, mag wheels, dual discs up front and non-low, standard appearance with mid-controls?
Rubbermount = 2004+
Carburetors < 2007
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* 1200S (solidmount only though 03)
* 883R (available in solidmount and rubbermount models through ~06 ish in the US, much later overseas)
* 1200R 04-08 (08 only had 4.5g tank)
* XR1200 and XR1200X (had unique EFI system, some unique bodywork, USD forks etc) ~09-12ish
* 1200 CX Roadster 16-present (USD forks)

All of them had mags, BUT tubed spokes were an accessory on the S and R models.

All of those models had mid mounts standard (except the XR/XRX which had rearsets), but of course forwards were available as accessories.

All had tall suspensions and 3.3g tanks except as noted.
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Re: (NGC) H-D Custom 1200 Sportster
« Reply #31 on: October 21, 2018, 07:47:05 PM »
I got a new 2018 Harley Heritage this year and look like the big brother to that sporter.  I like it.  It�s like a new gril friend you just want to ride it all the time.  But the forward controls do drag a lot.Rudyr

The Heritage has floorboards, not forward controls.
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Re: (NGC) H-D Custom 1200 Sportster
« Reply #32 on: October 24, 2018, 12:15:01 PM »
where you at in Fl.?? Palm-Bay HD wheels and deals and has lots of XL's

I guess right down the street from you Bodine :wink:

Its funny how this thread has taken on a life of its own, since I first posted it. I thought I might get a hard time from the Guzzi hardliners, but surprisingly many here also have Harley and seem to like them.

I did go to Space Coast Harley and purchased a 2019 Custom 1200 Sportster. I had only been there one other time for a visit when I was shopping at Bass Pro Shop which is on the same property. Space Coast Harley is quite a place. Supposedly the largest H-D store in the U.S., and yes they will deal. Under $10K out the door, 2 year warranty, and other extras, I couldn't go wrong.Now I've got to ride it and see for myself!

Thanks everyone for the input!
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Re: (NGC) H-D Custom 1200 Sportster
« Reply #33 on: October 24, 2018, 12:40:40 PM »
I guess right down the street from you Bodine :wink:

Its funny how this thread has taken on a life of its own, since I first posted it. I thought I might get a hard time from the Guzzi hardliners, but surprisingly many here also have Harley and seem to like them.

I did go to Space Coast Harley and purchased a 2019 Custom 1200 Sportster. I had only been there one other time for a visit when I was shopping at Bass Pro Shop which is on the same property. Space Coast Harley is quite a place. Supposedly the largest H-D store in the U.S., and yes they will deal. Under $10K out the door, 2 year warranty, and other extras, I couldn't go wrong.Now I've got to ride it and see for myself!

Thanks everyone for the input!


SWEET! Enjoy. Don't hesitate to ask if you have any questions - service is dead simple.

And post pics at some point!

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Re: (NGC) H-D Custom 1200 Sportster
« Reply #34 on: October 24, 2018, 02:58:47 PM »
Well alrighty!!! Enjoy, and don't fall for the if we don't service it your warranty is void. Be very wary of the shops in Brevard. The only independent shop for HD's is in Melbourne. Southern V-Twin Cypress Ave. Wayne has been there since 1998 and only does HD's. Best of luck with it

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Re: (NGC) H-D Custom 1200 Sportster
« Reply #35 on: October 24, 2018, 03:12:34 PM »
Well alrighty!!! Enjoy, and don't fall for the if we don't service it your warranty is void. Be very wary of the shops in Brevard. The only independent shop for HD's is in Melbourne. Southern V-Twin Cypress Ave. Wayne has been there since 1998 and only does HD's. Best of luck with it

Nah, they didn't say that at Space Coast. In fact, when I had the service orientation they even mentioned  that some owners have preferred service shops. The only thing they would like is for me to bring it in at 1,000 miles for the first checkup, readjustments, etc. I know V-Twin, but there are others I've used here in town that are also very capable..

What Guzzi do you own?
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Re: (NGC) H-D Custom 1200 Sportster
« Reply #36 on: October 24, 2018, 03:17:45 PM »
Even that "first service" pitch is BS, but it is the service you would most likely need a primary chain, belt, and/or clutch adjustment and it's a good time to see if anything is wonky.
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Re: (NGC) H-D Custom 1200 Sportster
« Reply #37 on: October 24, 2018, 03:25:50 PM »
Even that "first service" pitch is BS, but it is the service you would most likely need a primary chain, belt, and/or clutch adjustment and it's a good time to see if anything is wonky.

Yeah, I know. But I had a couple of new Guzzi's that problems right out of the box, believe it or not :wink: So why take a chance,
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Re: (NGC) H-D Custom 1200 Sportster
« Reply #38 on: October 24, 2018, 04:40:35 PM »
Yeah, I know. But I had a couple of new Guzzi's that problems right out of the box, believe it or not :wink: So why take a chance,
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Re: (NGC) H-D Custom 1200 Sportster
« Reply #39 on: October 24, 2018, 05:22:29 PM »
I did go to Space Coast Harley and purchased a 2019 Custom 1200 Sportster. I had only been there one other time for a visit when I was shopping at Bass Pro Shop which is on the same property. Space Coast Harley is quite a place. Supposedly the largest H-D store in the U.S., and yes they will deal. Under $10K out the door, 2 year warranty, and other extras, I couldn't go wrong.Now I've got to ride it and see for myself!

Congrats!  :gotpics:  :gotpics:  :gotpics:
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Re: (NGC) H-D Custom 1200 Sportster
« Reply #40 on: November 05, 2018, 10:43:12 AM »
Congrats!  :gotpics:  :gotpics:  :gotpics:

OK, picked it up last week and have had some time to put some miles on it and break it in.

Coming off 3 different Norge's, a Griso, and several CalVin, I'm finding this Sportster much different both good and bad.

-Its a very comfortable around the town bike. However, with my short 31" inseam,  I 'm always catching my pants on the when coming to a stop. So, I've ordered a kit that moves the pegs forward about 3". It should take care of the problem.

-Compared to the Guzzi's it seems kind of industrial. Clunky shifting, and noisey motor. Although it doesn't vibrate much at idle. Easy to see with the mirrors.

-It pulls well. However, I'm still under 1,000 miles so I haven't wound it out yet.

-I miss the displays I'm used to with the Guzzi's. The sportster has just one large guage which is the speedometer. Everything else is displayed below it on a small digital display. Hard to see if you have mediocre vision or bright sun.

-No easy to remove seat for storage of my bike documents. I'm not sure a tank bag would look ok.



Actually, for what I'm using it for, and the experience of trying a Harley,  It will be fine
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Re: (NGC) H-D Custom 1200 Sportster
« Reply #41 on: November 05, 2018, 08:17:43 PM »
Nice looking bike.  I kinda agree about the gauges. Twin clocks with a display in between would be nice. Love the seat & spoked wheels. 
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Re: (NGC) H-D Custom 1200 Sportster
« Reply #42 on: November 05, 2018, 09:01:31 PM »
Yeah, twin clocks are my preference too. So it was ironic I had to add them to my last two Sportsters and my first Guzzi (Jackal).

Though at least the Harleys had easy plug-n-play kits.

Speaking of they may still on these new ones, I dunno. But I guess they have the tach function in the odo screen in you want so it's not all bad.
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Re: (NGC) H-D Custom 1200 Sportster
« Reply #43 on: November 06, 2018, 06:38:56 AM »
Yeah, twin clocks are my preference too. So it was ironic I had to add them to my last two Sportsters and my first Guzzi (Jackal).

Though at least the Harleys had easy plug-n-play kits.

Speaking of they may still on these new ones, I dunno. But I guess they have the tach function in the odo screen in you want so it's not all bad.

The tach/gear indicator is displayed on the bottom digital display, but quite small. What is available is a $300 option that has a 4 inch analog Tachometer on top with a large back lit digital display underneath that has speed and all other options
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Re: (NGC) H-D Custom 1200 Sportster
« Reply #44 on: November 11, 2018, 12:33:31 PM »
OK, picked it up last week and have had some time to put some miles on it and break it in.

Coming off 3 different Norge's, a Griso, and several CalVin, I'm finding this Sportster much different both good and bad.

-Its a very comfortable around the town bike. However, with my short 31" inseam,  I 'm always catching my pants on the when coming to a stop. So, I've ordered a kit that moves the pegs forward about 3". It should take care of the problem.

-Compared to the Guzzi's it seems kind of industrial. Clunky shifting, and noisey motor. Although it doesn't vibrate much at idle. Easy to see with the mirrors.

-It pulls well. However, I'm still under 1,000 miles so I haven't wound it out yet.

-I miss the displays I'm used to with the Guzzi's. The sportster has just one large guage which is the speedometer. Everything else is displayed below it on a small digital display. Hard to see if you have mediocre vision or bright sun.

-No easy to remove seat for storage of my bike documents. I'm not sure a tank bag would look ok.



Actually, for what I'm using it for, and the experience of trying a Harley,  It will be fine

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Re: (NGC) H-D Custom 1200 Sportster
« Reply #46 on: November 14, 2018, 01:28:41 PM »
I had a 2008? 1200R. Pretty good power, handled great. It had really good brakes. Rear shocks just worthless from the factory. Really good gas mileage.
Factory seat was not even close to being the worst seat ever but it was not so good. A buddy has one of the last XR1200's . The bike gave me leg cramps but nice ride. I'm not an advocate of loud pipes . The factory XR1200 has potato's in the exhaust pipes. The exhaust strangles that bike.

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Re: (NGC) H-D Custom 1200 Sportster
« Reply #47 on: November 27, 2018, 11:34:34 AM »
Well, I've had the new Sportster for a few weeks. Its a nice bike and I'm enjoying it. Unfortunately, I took a 2019 Softail Low Rider for a ride, and I might exchange my new Sportster for one!

 The new Milwaukee-8 is a great motor. Pulls like a freight train, smooth, runs cooler, and less tractor like and clunky then the Sportster's 1200 Evolution. The new softail frame is much stiffer and lighter then the old dyna frames and much more comfortable on the highway. The bike also comes standard with a full size tach, cast aluminum wheels with tubeless tires, security/FOB system, better adjustable suspension, etc.

I still haven't neglected the Guzzi though :wink:
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Re: (NGC) H-D Custom 1200 Sportster
« Reply #48 on: November 27, 2018, 11:43:13 AM »
Well, I've had the new Sportster for a few weeks. Its a nice bike and I'm enjoying it. Unfortunately, I took a 2019 Softail Low Rider for a ride, and I might exchange my new Sportster for one!

 The new Milwaukee-8 is a great motor. Pulls like a freight train, smooth, runs cooler, and less tractor like and clunky then the Sportster's 1200 Evolution. The new softail frame is much stiffer and lighter then the old dyna frames and much more comfortable on the highway. The bike also comes standard with a full size tach, cast tubeless tires, security/FOB system, better adjustable suspension, etc.

I still haven't neglected the Guzzi though :wink:

Ha ha, yeah they really did a great job on the M8 and the new Softails.
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Re: (NGC) H-D Custom 1200 Sportster
« Reply #49 on: November 27, 2018, 12:17:51 PM »
Well, I've had the new Sportster for a few weeks. Its a nice bike and I'm enjoying it. Unfortunately, I took a 2019 Softail Low Rider for a ride, and I might exchange my new Sportster for one!

 The new Milwaukee-8 is a great motor. Pulls like a freight train, smooth, runs cooler, and less tractor like and clunky then the Sportster's 1200 Evolution. The new softail frame is much stiffer and lighter then the old dyna frames and much more comfortable on the highway. The bike also comes standard with a full size tach, cast aluminum wheels with tubeless tires, security/FOB system, better adjustable suspension, etc.

I still haven't neglected the Guzzi though :wink:

This is exactly the reason, most big harley dealers have quite a few newer, low mileage Sportys on their lot, that were traded in, for a "big twin".
A friend of mine who used to sell Harleys calls it "The most expensive test ride".
You see it over,and over again.
If I were looking for a nice ,low mileage sportster, I would check the big harley dealers first.
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Re: (NGC) H-D Custom 1200 Sportster
« Reply #50 on: November 27, 2018, 12:50:20 PM »
This is exactly the reason, most big harley dealers have quite a few newer, low mileage Sportys on their lot, that were traded in, for a "big twin".
A friend of mine who used to sell Harleys calls it "The most expensive test ride".
You see it over,and over again.
If I were looking for a nice ,low mileage sportster, I would check the big harley dealers first.
Rick.

Thing is Sportsters and BTs are different things.

Sportys are, for what it is worth, the small(ER) and light(ER) and narrow Harley chassis. The unitized motor and 5-speed is rugged and reliable and in some ways (belt replacement for instance) quick and easy to maintain. But the chassis and motor hasn't received any of the refinements that the BTs have received since the EVO.

I mean, the Sporty is still an EVO Sportster while the BT went through an entire birth, revision, and death of a platform (Twin Cams) and now has benefited from the development of the M8.

Big Twins are even larger, and heavier, and more expensive so often got better components (6-speed, better suspensions, better brakes, even Brembo these days). They are not unitized, so they contain separate motors and transmissions. Some maintenance procedures are easier like there's no primary chain adjustment (auto tensioner) and many have hydraulic clutches now, but other items like belt replacement is generally much more involved.

Thing is Sportsters ARE less expensive, so a lot of people buy them to get that Harley feeling then realize there are some trade offs and some differences. The motor itself is a difference. Sure they're all 45 degree, shared crankpin, knife/fork rod, air-cooled V-twins. But the 4 camshaft, unitized EVO has always been tuned for slightly higher rpm - generally being happiest in the 3-4k range instead of the more 2-3k ish range of a BT.

Between those little differences in feel and the much bigger differences of the chassis and these days even power output and refinement of the M8, a lot of people buy a Sportster and later decide they want a BT.

Still a decent number realize the Sporty is right for them.... or have both.  :angel: :angel: :angel:
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Re: (NGC) H-D Custom 1200 Sportster
« Reply #51 on: November 27, 2018, 03:20:42 PM »
I had a 2006 XL1200C (rubbermount) for several years, and loved it for what it was — a brawny backroads runabout. The rear shocks were unusable, but easily replaced with Progressive 412s, which were adequate for what I was using it for. The build quality and fit & finish were outstanding, and not a thing ever went wrong with it. It was not a particularly versatile machine, though, and I would consider some things — like touring — to be completely out of its range of suitability.

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Re: (NGC) H-D Custom 1200 Sportster
« Reply #52 on: November 27, 2018, 03:43:06 PM »
Well, will you look at that.   :grin:  If I could do mid controls the Low Rider would be in my garage right now.  As it stands I would have to modify any of the softails quite a bit to meet my wants in a softail Harley.

My first Harley was a '16 Road Glide Ultra, but I worked my way up to it by putting 55,000 miles on a Kawasaki Voyager XII and 60,000 miles on a Vulcan Voyager 1700.

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Well, I've had the new Sportster for a few weeks. Its a nice bike and I'm enjoying it. Unfortunately, I took a 2019 Softail Low Rider for a ride, and I might exchange my new Sportster for one!

 The new Milwaukee-8 is a great motor. Pulls like a freight train, smooth, runs cooler, and less tractor like and clunky then the Sportster's 1200 Evolution. The new softail frame is much stiffer and lighter then the old dyna frames and much more comfortable on the highway. The bike also comes standard with a full size tach, cast aluminum wheels with tubeless tires, security/FOB system, better adjustable suspension, etc.

I still haven't neglected the Guzzi though :wink:

If you are looking at new bikes, you owe it to yourself to test ride a few different model bikes before making your decision. 

Pick out a bike from the new softail lineup, and if you are strong enough to handle the Road King, take a new one for a ride as well. 

Considering the bike you are interested in, the Low Rider or the Street Bob might be a good choice to check out for a test ride.

Then you will have an informed decision if the Sportster is the bike for you. 

I personally like the look of the 48 special and need forward controls on all cruisers because of the low seat height and rider triangle, but what kept me from buying it at the time was the range with the peanut tank.  I might pick up a used one to have and for my niece to ride when she visits.  The V7 has her on tip toes.
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Re: (NGC) H-D Custom 1200 Sportster
« Reply #53 on: November 28, 2018, 10:50:16 AM »
Thing is Sportsters and BTs are different things.

Sportys are, for what it is worth, the small(ER) and light(ER) and narrow Harley chassis. The unitized motor and 5-speed is rugged and reliable and in some ways (belt replacement for instance) quick and easy to maintain. But the chassis and motor hasn't received any of the refinements that the BTs have received since the EVO.

I mean, the Sporty is still an EVO Sportster while the BT went through an entire birth, revision, and death of a platform (Twin Cams) and now has benefited from the development of the M8.

Big Twins are even larger, and heavier, and more expensive so often got better components (6-speed, better suspensions, better brakes, even Brembo these days). They are not unitized, so they contain separate motors and transmissions. Some maintenance procedures are easier like there's no primary chain adjustment (auto tensioner) and many have hydraulic clutches now, but other items like belt replacement is generally much more involved.

Thing is Sportsters ARE less expensive, so a lot of people buy them to get that Harley feeling then realize there are some trade offs and some differences. The motor itself is a difference. Sure they're all 45 degree, shared crankpin, knife/fork rod, air-cooled V-twins. But the 4 camshaft, unitized EVO has always been tuned for slightly higher rpm - generally being happiest in the 3-4k range instead of the more 2-3k ish range of a BT.

Between those little differences in feel and the much bigger differences of the chassis and these days even power output and refinement of the M8, a lot of people buy a Sportster and later decide they want a BT.

Still a decent number realize the Sporty is right for them.... or have both.  :angel: :angel: :angel:

Right on Kev! The only thing left off was the oil cooler :wink:

The good thing is that the dealer I bought the Sportster from is willing to buy me out at exactly what I paid, and at my request include different bars and a windshield for the LowRider and is still under MSRP for the bike. They sell roughly 15-20 bikes a day and supposedly are the largest HD dealer in the U.S. Its a huge place!
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Re: (NGC) H-D Custom 1200 Sportster
« Reply #54 on: November 28, 2018, 10:54:12 AM »
How times have changed..  :grin:
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Re: (NGC) H-D Custom 1200 Sportster
« Reply #55 on: November 28, 2018, 11:06:18 AM »
I had a 2006 XL1200C (rubbermount) for several years, and loved it for what it was — a brawny backroads runabout. The rear shocks were unusable, but easily replaced with Progressive 412s, which were adequate for what I was using it for. The build quality and fit & finish were outstanding, and not a thing ever went wrong with it. It was not a particularly versatile machine, though, and I would consider some things — like touring — to be completely out of its range of suitability.

I'm gonna leave this right here:

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Re: (NGC) H-D Custom 1200 Sportster
« Reply #56 on: November 28, 2018, 11:07:54 AM »
Right on Kev! The only thing left off was the oil cooler :wink:

The good thing is that the dealer I bought the Sportster from is willing to buy me out at exactly what I paid, and at my request include different bars and a windshield for the LowRider and is still under MSRP for the bike. They sell roughly 15-20 bikes a day and supposedly are the largest HD dealer in the U.S. Its a huge place!

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Re: (NGC) H-D Custom 1200 Sportster
« Reply #57 on: November 28, 2018, 11:25:47 AM »


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Re: (NGC) H-D Custom 1200 Sportster
« Reply #58 on: November 28, 2018, 11:42:04 AM »




True, and not taking anything away from Brett, but he had dealer support and he didn't START out with a bike that already had over 150k miles on it (or over 200k the second time).

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Re: (NGC) H-D Custom 1200 Sportster
« Reply #59 on: November 28, 2018, 11:53:59 AM »
Right on Kev! The only thing left off was the oil cooler :wink:

The good thing is that the dealer I bought the Sportster from is willing to buy me out at exactly what I paid, and at my request include different bars and a windshield for the LowRider and is still under MSRP for the bike. They sell roughly 15-20 bikes a day and supposedly are the largest HD dealer in the U.S. Its a huge place!


The bars were my favorite part of the low rider.  Of course the dealer had them installed wrong and I had to get them to adjust them for the test ride.  They had them pushed too far forward which put the grips in an awkward position.  Once I got them rolled back to where buckhorn bars are supposed to be installed then they were very comfortable.  They tried to orient them like mini ape hangers since that is all the rage along with tall T-bars.

What bars are you having them install?
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