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Certificate of origin
« on: December 11, 2018, 07:16:37 PM »
Hello all!
I was wondering if anyone has ordered a "Certificate of Origin" from Moto Guzzi Proud Owners??  (The Clan)
Seems pricey but might be interesting for the 73 Eldo....
IF you did, do you feel it was worth the cost???

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Re: Certificate of origin
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2018, 07:24:39 PM »
I'm only familiar with the Certificate of Origin that comes with a new bike before it is registered.  What's the reason for a CoO for a 45 year old bike?  Other than curiosity value I cannot see any reason to have a CoO.  Please bring me up to speed.
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Re: Certificate of origin
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2018, 08:22:24 PM »
I think (for me) getting the written history with anything I'm buying is a plus, and the more the better.  A original CERT is something special to have, especially since that piece of paper usually is never handed over to the buyer. I bought, as some of you already know, a very low milage 1997 Nero 1100 Sport earlier this year. I paid a premium for this bike, since this bike is possibly the lowest 1100 Sport in existence. In addition to the CERT, I also received every piece of paperwork (except a build-sheet) that came with this bike since she was imported into the US, and the CERT started this bikes paper trail. Besides the CERT, I received the original handwritten purchase papers, the original US MG assembly and get the bike ready for the customer check-off papers, all original warranty papers, manuals, and, and, and.....

So for me, the bike and the paperwork makes this bike something special, at least in my world. I'm planning one day on framing most of this bikes paperwork, so that the bike and her history can be displayed together. I have no intensions of ever riding this bike, and I hope that this beauty will one day be displayed either in a motorcycle museum or a Sports Bar, and how nice will it be when the history of this pristine bike is hanging on the wall next to it......

Andy

ps: I learned from the CERT that my bike was imported from Italy to a long gone Moto Guzzi shop which was located in Lillington, NC. And Lillington NC is about a thirty minute ride away from my home here outside of Raleigh, NC now. I think that this is a nice piece of the bikes history to know.




















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Re: Certificate of origin
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2018, 08:35:53 PM »
The shop in Lillington was Moto America which was the national importer in the 1990s and they also had a retail shop there....I remember attending open houses and seeing 4 1000s models on the floor for sale....they moved to Angier after Lillington.

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Re: Certificate of origin
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2018, 11:03:28 PM »
I didn't know you could get these. How do you get them, and how much do they cost?
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Re: Certificate of origin
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2018, 05:42:26 AM »
I purchased a Certificate of Origin directly from Moto Guzzi using email and a Bank Transfer. It showed all the details of my 1984 Cali II history. As a retired army guy, a fellow service member brought it to Canada on an Air Force Herc ... but in Italy they had no VIN # plate on the frame. They just stamp the numbers on the frame.
My insurance company required this Certificate.   
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Re: Certificate of origin
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2018, 09:26:22 AM »
Once again, the CO just shows that the bike was made by Guzzi and imported into the US by the importer.  I usually do my own DMV work (being Guzzi frugal I can save the $$$ charged as a 'document fee') so I take the CO to DMV along with a bill of sale and thus have proof that the vehicle is legally mine.  Then DMV gives me a title and registration in exchange for the CO and my payment of the various fees that the state charges.  Oh, and I pay the sales tax too.  If you have a particularly significant machine where a paper trail is useful I guess the CO is the 'birth certificate'.  For most normal bikes I cannot see any reason to want to pay for a CO.

As an aside, in Italy the owner of a car or motorcycle is obligated to have proof that all taxes have been paid.  While stationed in Italy I bought a '73 Laverda and it came with a stack of paperwork showing the tax payment each year from new until when I bought the bike, around 1991.  These documents included the mileage each year and a trail of ownership.  I later sold the bike and it was imported into the US by an Air Force officer.  In about 2001 I met the then current owner of that motorcycle and he was delighted to tell me that he still had that paper trail, to include my former ownership.  Thus, I can appreciate the nostalgia surrounding the documentation of this particular bike but I'm convinced the paper trail had little or no added value to the machine.
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Re: Certificate of origin
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2018, 07:04:23 PM »
I didn't know you could get these. How do you get them, and how much do they cost?

Hello Groover,  I got it in a email fro Moto Guzzi Proud Owners.  Not sure it will work but here it is...... http://proudowners.motoguzzi.com/benefit-archivio-ufficiale-moto-guzzi/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=dem&utm_campaign=clan_DEM_benefit_Archivio_Ufficiale_1118_USA&utm_content=dem_novembre_USA
  and it's €200 or €160 for members.
I'm only familiar with the Certificate of Origin that comes with a new bike before it is registered.  What's the reason for a CoO for a 45 year old bike?  Other than curiosity value I cannot see any reason to have a CoO.  Please bring me up to speed.

I would compare it to having a "Build Sheet" for a classic car.
Honestly I have a true connection to my bikes. They have taken me many places, and also AWAY from many places. Having  235,000 between the 2 I have now, there is a big connection with them and it would be both cool and interesting to know their Dates of Birth.
It's obviously not for everyone.

 
I think (for me) getting the written history with anything I'm buying is a plus,


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Re: Certificate of origin
« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2018, 11:43:28 PM »
Wonder what Piaggio would do with mismatched frame and engine numbers?  I'd certainly like a certificate of origin for the GTV - the title said it's a non-existent 1933 model 157.  But not at 160 euro! 
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Re: Certificate of origin
« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2018, 09:43:32 AM »
It is just another gimmick to remove cash from your wallet, if you like it pay. It is also a way to get money from : "YOU ARE THE PROBLEM" guys.  They have no new bikes in a BB format, where you have a big 1 piece block.
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Re: Certificate of origin
« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2018, 11:59:49 AM »
There is a photo of the "certificate of origin" on line and it is a disappointment. 
http://www.italo-classics.at/fahrzeuge/img_8837_1506419995.jpg

The only info is the year the bike was built.  No info for date of completion, color, biposto, or delivered to.  Perhaps paying for the more expensive version will get you complete info.




The Ariel factory record for my '47 shows the engine, frame and gearbox numbers, that it was completed July, 14 1947. engine had high compression piston and polished internals, red and chrome finish, and twin exhaust.  And that it was delivered for export to JBNicholson in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan.  A similar level of detail must be in the factory records for Guzzis because some descriptions are incredibly detailed.


"Moto Guzzi Factory Certificate of Origin shows this GTS was delivered new on 27 March 1941 to the “Milizia Della Strada Di Roma.” It was a special build for the police in Rome. It is also the last of the GTS series."





"This rare pre-war Moto Guzzi comes with a letter from the factory (dated December 1993) stating that it was manufactured in October 1938 as a GTC/L for use by the Italian highway patrol police. This letter goes on to say that it was probably a demonstrator and was first delivered to Moto Guzzi's agent in Milan before being returned to the factory in December '38 and delivered to the firm's agent in Trieste in March 1939. It was finally sold to Moto Guzzi's distributor in Ethiopia in December 1939."



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