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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Lumpy Idle on April 12, 2019, 04:15:32 PM
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hey, does anyone have any tips that will help prevent these S#i+bags from stealing my new one after i get the car back from the shop?
my neighbor saw them (he's up late - this happened at 2:30 am) and when he realized something fishy was going on he hollered at them. they were done with the entire process in a couple of minutes!!! the tow truck driver who towed my car to the shop told me that he gets a lot of calls for stolen cat's. and that as far as he knows the remedy fixes (commercially available strap, cable systems) don't slow these A$$holes down very much. it is going to cost me $500 out of pocket for the insurance deductible and it will again if they decide they want to go for my shiny, newly installed unit.
What to do?
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Sad, no idea why people do such things.
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The world is full of people with a $300 a day habit that they cant afford to lose! Is that cat connected up with flanges? If so have your local muffler shop weld a flat bar across both flanges so they cant be separated, easy enough for the next R&R all you have to do is cut the welds or flat bar. DonG
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That stinks. I think I might be looking to install a motion activated camera(s) that take decent pics at night. Although it won't solve the cost of replacement, you might manage to catch them for law enforcement! I'm thinking the ones hunters use out in the woods might do the trick.
I too would be concerned about them returning for the new cat. :violent1:
John Henry
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These dirtbags use a battery powered sawzall with a fast cutting metal blade and just hack off the exhaust pipe on both sides of the catalytic converter. They (or whever they fence to) evidently break them open to get the precious metals from the inside to sell.
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These dirtbags use a battery powered sawzall with a fast cutting metal blade and just hack off the exhaust pipe on both sides of the catalytic converter. They (or whever they fence to) evidently break them open to get the precious metals from the inside to sell.
yeah, i went onto the interwebz to look for some answers and i discovered that they do not care how old your car is or how old your converter because they bust them open for the metals inside. what they do look for are vehicles that are higher up off the ground. my car is a honda element and they had plenty of room to get under it and saw and yank. it was made clear to me that these strapping systems do not work because they will just cut fore and aft of the security system and take the whole thing.
aaaarrrggghhh.
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Booby trap.
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Motion Alarm?
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Now if you were prepared ahead of time and could catch them in the act I have an electronic game caller with a remote that works from 75+ yards. It is loud at full volume. Now hide that under the car frame and wait. Once the guy has just crawled under the car hit the button for "mountain lion in heat scream". I assure you he will not hesitate to figure out what is there, he will just set a record for the 440 yd run. :evil:
GliderJohn
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Deer cam off of Amazon. One of many.
https://www.amazon.com/BlazeVideo-Controller-Activated-Waterproof-Continuous/dp/B07DL5WGTQ/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=BXRPP06HF64X&keywords=deer+camera&qid=1555121747&s=sporting-goods&sprefix=deer+%2Cindustrial%2C266&sr=1-1-spons&psc=1
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Deer cam off of Amazon. One of many.
https://www.amazon.com/BlazeVideo-Controller-Activated-Waterproof-Continuous/dp/B07DL5WGTQ/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=BXRPP06HF64X&keywords=deer+camera&qid=1555121747&s=sporting-goods&sprefix=deer+%2Cindustrial%2C266&sr=1-1-spons&psc=1
i use one of them, problem is your not there to apprehend the jerks.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Trail-cam/i-gcCVqVG/0/a2d9ba9f/L/Screen%20Shot%202018-03-22%20at%208.56.35%20PM-L.png) (https://fotoguzzi.smugmug.com/Trail-cam/i-gcCVqVG/A)
Screen shot from the video,
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NweIFqKt4SY
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Have your muffler shop weld in flanges for a "test" piece of pipe, have them weld flanges on your new cat and when it comes time for inspection install the cat.
Paul B :boozing:
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Here in New South Wales scrap yards are obliged to get your i.d. and they don't pay for scrap in cash. Stops a lot of this silliness.
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Don't know whether it still is but the metal used originally in them was platinum. Very very expensive.
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Have your muffler shop weld in flanges for a "test" piece of pipe, have them weld flanges on your new cat and when it comes time for inspection install the cat.
Paul B :boozing:
That's what I would do.
No cat, no theft.
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What a Cat tas trophie .
Dusty
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they do look for are vehicles that are higher up off the ground
Simple solution, slam it! They won't be getting under my driveway dinosaur.
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Even a cordless sawzall or cordless grinder with a cut off wheel makes some serious noise when cutting, I'd find a better parking place maybe closer to the house if possible. A couple of years ago they hit the local mall in broad daylight and managed to steel over 25 of them in one pop. Some shoppers heard and saw them, they just figured that they had broken down and was making repairs....
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This happens everyday in Mexico. Take your car in to a shop for any type of repair (even a tire change) and the cat will be removed. They are nice enough to weld on a peice of exhuast pipe in it's place. This is all met with a shrug. No one seems to care.
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I like those cat converters. Sorry they are getting stolen. That's really a bad thing.
Signed,
Your atmosphere
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Have your muffler shop weld in flanges for a "test" piece of pipe, have them weld flanges on your new cat and when it comes time for inspection install the cat.
Paul B :boozing:
Yes, being drunk helps.. :grin:....Federal law prohibits repair shops from modifying any part of the emissions system.It might even be a criminal penalty. Not worth the risk to any reputable shop,but a back alley shop might do it..Actually I believe the test pipes are a thing of the past .....
As an electrical contractor I did work for one of the larger dismantle yards in New York state. They had constant loos of cats on late model wrecks...The thieves bought or stole jacks and cordless saws from Harbor Freight and left the tools behind after taking their fill of parts..The police were not able to catch them...The owner stationed men on the roofs of the storage buildings with cameras..Got photos of the thieves entering after using a culvert under the highway to get up close and get past the chain link fencing..The police acted on it and caught the thieves in the act...
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I have a garage for my vehicles, an electric fence around the property, (to keep the animals in), and a power gate at the road.
Would be thieves know all of us in the country are armed and willing to defend our property. :cool:
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Engrave "Stolen from (enter Name), address, phone number" on the part. Then when the perp tries to sell it, the buyer will know it it stolen. In indiana and Kentucky you have to provide I.D. to scrap or pawn.
I have an unattended coil laundry. Everything has "Stolen from Coin Laundry" wrote in black marker on it. That way a family member can be shamed by other family members for stealing stupid stuff. They take toilet paper, used garbage bags out of cans, paper towels, pick up cigarette butts, other peoples clothing. Over all though, most people are very civil and orderly. Corruption is not limited to the poor, mentally ill, sick, drug addict or alcoholic. Rich, famous, political, LEO, people of faith or anyone is capable of doing wrong against other humans and nature. I have faith that people in general are good. And have lots of insurance.
So, how did the car sound when you started it?
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So, how did the car sound when you started it?
i didn't start it up at all. when i got there my neighbor had already scoped it out and pointed out that they had left a small beat up bottle jack under the car. we initially assumed they were coming for the tires but that he scared them off. when taking out the bottle jack i looked underneath and then noticed some cut cables and the hole where the cat. used to be.
i live in oakland, california and there is new homeless encampment near a freeway overpass not too far from my place. my parking is street parking. i do not have the luxury of a private driveway or a garage, alas. there are now a couple of guys at that homeless camp who have a shiny maroon pickup truck and are doing a thriving business in stealing bicycles and aluminum car rims/tires. they remover the wheels from the bike and cut the spokes out with a small bolt cutter. the aluminum rim goes into the bed of the truck and the rest of the bike is just scattered around the homeless camp. the car rims go into the bed of the pickup after they have sliced off the tires. the whole thing is tarped over and waits until they fill the bed - then i assume its off to the recycler. the cops do nothing. if you call this in on the local non-emergency number the dispatcher will listen patiently and then .....nothing happens. from what we can piece together the crew stealing the cat's is a different bunch altogether. my neighbor noted that they were driving a black mercedez. i guess there is money in stealing aluminum.
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^^^This type of crime is almost always committed by professional criminals , if there is enough profit in something , stopping it can be very difficult .
Some years back a couple of friends went to Dallas for an event , they spent the evening at a high end motel in a *safe* part of town . The next morning they discovered that everything worth stealing from the $50K Lincoln Navigator they were driving was gone . The thieves used a very small drill bit to drill strategically placed holes around the door lock on the passenger side , knowing how to bypass all of the security mechanisms . The Ford was equipped those little TV's for the rear seats , a high end stereo , leather seats , all of the amenities . The thieves removed almost the entire interior in about 3 minutes per the security cameras that the desk clerk apparently wasn't watching , then simply drove away in a vehicle parked just out of camera shot .
Dusty
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you probably need to not worry as aftermarket cat converter are worth very small amount of money in scrap ,what i have done in the past was to paint it with bright orange paint ,my thought was when i called the police i would describe it properly and my be a scrap yard may not want to be involve in a possible illegal activity ( well they may get caught easier )
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hi all,
just got the car back from the shop. the whole job came to $2,647 and included the usual repair shenanigans of charging ludicrous amounts for nuts and bolts. the thing that really stands out though is the listed charge for the honda oem catalytic converter. anyone wanna guesss. ok, don't. it was $1,982 for the converter alone. i was stunned. out of pocket i was only liable for my $500 deductible but the cost of the cat from honda was ridiculous. in CA we need to use CA approved converters and they can be had online for varying prices but a reasonable average was around $350 so you can see that honda's price is wildly over the mark.
i asked the guy at the shop whether or not painting it orange and etching in my car license # would help. he chortled a bit and said "no, not really."
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:shocked:
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Hopefully precautions can be taken as any officer of the law will tell you " They'll Be Back".
Paul B :boozing:
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WOW! That is steep. As you pointed out, Honda in this case is getting a pretty penny for this. I wonder what the street value is for the thing. (Cats in general.)
John Henry
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hi all,
just got the car back from the shop. the whole job came to $2,647 and included the usual repair shenanigans of charging ludicrous amounts for nuts and bolts. the thing that really stands out though is the listed charge for the honda oem catalytic converter. anyone wanna guesss. ok, don't. it was $1,982 for the converter alone. i was stunned. out of pocket i was only liable for my $500 deductible but the cost of the cat from honda was ridiculous. in CA we need to use CA approved converters and they can be had online for varying prices but a reasonable average was around $350 so you can see that honda's price is wildly over the mark.
i asked the guy at the shop whether or not painting it orange and etching in my car license # would help. he chortled a bit and said "no, not really."
I can't imagine what insurance must cost you. I know my insurance company factors in whether the vehicles are parked in a garage and/or behind a security gate.
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The thieves removed almost the entire interior in about 3 minutes per the security cameras that the desk clerk apparently wasn't watching
Dusty
Desk clerk probably was the lookout man.
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WOW! That is steep. As you pointed out, Honda in this case is getting a pretty penny for this. I wonder what the street value is for the thing. (Cats in general.)
John Henry
My guess is it wasn't sold for scrap, but used in a repair/replacement where they are able to offer the customer a discount for the OEM Honda part, and it's all profit for them.
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So the real crime happened at the dealership!
NAPA sells direct fit CARB compliant Cat Convert for $$634.99 Non-CARB or universal fir cat converters are in the $200 to $500 range
NAPA part number - EXH 82894 2011 Honda Element direct fit
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Use your garage or install a gate at your property's entrance. Lighted parking areas discourage thefts, too. Back when I was kinda poor, I even made up some fake alarm system labels to stick all over my place. I was the only resident on my street that didn't get burglarized (it was an urban neighborhood). You don't have to have perfect security; just enough to make them move to easier marks.
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Use your garage or install a gate at your property's entrance. Lighted parking areas discourage thefts, too. Back when I was kinda poor, I even made up some fake alarm system labels to stick all over my place. I was the only resident on my street that didn't get burglarized (it was an urban neighborhood). You don't have to have perfect security; just enough to make them move to easier marks.
This is all great advise but for the millions who live in apartments, condo's, manufactured housing that do not have a garage its moot. Not everybody lives down an isolated lane where a gat will work. If I put a gate at the end of my driveway chances are great that I would drive around it through the grass to avoid opening and closing it.
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If I put a gate at the end of my driveway chances are great that I would drive around it through the grass to avoid opening and closing it.
I would believe that. :grin:
For people like you, Ghost Controls invented this: https://ghostcontrols.com/build-a-system-2/
After 10 years of opening and closing the gate, my wife decided we needed one. That is after seeing many of her girlfriends using them. :rolleyes:
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My problem wouldn't be so much the gate but rather I live in a development and my yard is not fenced in. To either side of my driveway is lawn that is level with the driveway.
It'd be kind of like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbWg-mozGsU
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Maybe just a small rectangular plastic box, with a blinking light and wires coming out of it attached to the cat con, secured to the underside of the car. "It's wired with explosives, I ain't touching it." :grin:
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Sad, no idea why people do such things.
Well, this thread has given a lot of reasons why! :shocked:
Lannis
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Well, this thread has given a lot of reasons why! :shocked:
yeah, the oem price left me gobsmacked. as for my insurance rates - i am a bit under $800 a year for a 2005 honda element and i have comprehensive. i am sure there is an urban living penalty and a ding for no garage, although they never asked about my parking when i got the policy.
i have gotten various views when i talk to mechanics and tow truck drivers but it was pointed out to me (after i asked "why would they steal a cat. from an older car?") that the thieves don't care about the age of the cat. they are not going after the cat itself - so that it can be used in another vehicle. no indeed, they are cracking them open and then selling the precious metal packet to the recyclers. this avoids any and all problems with the possible serial number identification of the cat as well. if they have the tools to cut out the cat. they have the tools to crack it open and scoop out its precious metal goodness. f*(kers.
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yeah, the oem price left me gobsmacked. as for my insurance rates - i am a bit under $800 a year for a 2005 honda element and i have comprehensive. i am sure there is an urban living penalty and a ding for no garage, although they never asked about my parking when i got the policy.
i have gotten various views when i talk to mechanics and tow truck drivers but it was pointed out to me (after i asked "why would they steal a cat. from an older car?") that the thieves don't care about the age of the cat. they are not going after the cat itself - so that it can be used in another vehicle. no indeed, they are cracking them open and then selling the precious metal packet to the recyclers. this avoids any and all problems with the possible serial number identification of the cat as well. if they have the tools to cut out the cat. they have the tools to crack it open and scoop out its precious metal goodness. f*(kers.
Yep. The last time copper went high thieves were pulling the wires out of new construction and abandoned homes. Sometimes lake homes closed up for the winter.
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Good grief man,
Ever herd of insurance?
Pretty simple.....
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Good grief man,
Ever herd of insurance?
Pretty simple.....
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Ahhhh, why didn't i think of that? thanks kirby and welcome to the list.
with that i think this thread has drawn to a natural point of closure. thanks all
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Hopefully precautions can be taken as any officer of the law will tell you " They'll Be Back".
Paul B :boozing:
Let's have a pole... :cool: I say 2 weeks. :popcorn:
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Let's have a pole... :cool: I say 2 weeks. :popcorn:
hah! ...and ouch!
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I think I'd trade for straight pipe until inspection time came. And perhaps change it out again if I thought it was going to be stolen.
It's not the environmental answer but seems practical.
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Might just be me but, if I had to lock up everything ,have gates, cameras, I would move..
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Might just be me but, if I had to lock up everything ,have gates, cameras, I would move..
Well, now that you've said it ... Me Too.
Fear of that kind of behavior sort of defines "Quality of Life" for me! But to each his own ....
Lannis
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Well, now that you've said it ... Me Too.
Fear of that kind of behavior sort of defines "Quality of Life" for me! But to each his own ....
Lannis
yes, we have been thinking about it and this is just one more incident to add to that side of the tally sheet.
to take a line from a mr. bob dylan:
"...you ask why i don't live here - honey why don't you move?"
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yes, we have been thinking about it and this is just one more incident to add to that side of the tally sheet.
to take a line from a mr. bob dylan:
"...you ask why i don't live here - honey why don't you move?"
Or as another wise man said:
"And you may find yourself
Living in a shotgun shack
And you may find yourself
In another part of the world
And you may find yourself
Behind the wheel of a large automobile
And you may find yourself in a beautiful house ....."
You just never know; and change is hard!
Lannis
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Or as another wise man said:
"And you may find yourself
Living in a shotgun shack
And you may find yourself
In another part of the world
And you may find yourself
Behind the wheel of a large automobile
And you may find yourself in a beautiful house ....."
You just never know; and change is hard!
Lannis
Did you just quote the talking heads? LOL!
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Might just be me but, if I had to lock up everything ,have gates, cameras, I would move..
Where I live "Good fences make good neighbours."
Their animals stay away from my animals and vice versa. Two gates are maintained at all times between the animals and the road.
Gates also discourage neighbors from just popping over when you are trying to get things done. Now, back in the day when neighbors would jump in and help you instead of distracting you was a time that is no more.
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Did you just quote the talking heads? LOL!
David Byrne, along with Annie Lennox, my favorite hits-of-the-80s singers ....
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Did you just quote the talking heads? LOL!
water flowing underground
same as it ever was
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Yep. The last time copper went high thieves were pulling the wires out of new construction and abandoned homes. Sometimes lake homes closed up for the winter.
Those are easy picking. Folks around here were hitting active, operational power substations. This dude wasn't one of the more skilled thieves- https://www.goupstate.com/news/20110719/man-dies-after-fire-at-power-substation-in-cowpens (https://www.goupstate.com/news/20110719/man-dies-after-fire-at-power-substation-in-cowpens)
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From Lumpy Idle:
thanks kirby and welcome to the list.
Just so you know kirby1923 is a long time contributor here. Don't know why his post count is showing a one.
GliderJohn
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Where I live "Good fences make good neighbours."
Their animals stay away from my animals and vice versa. Two gates are maintained at all times between the animals and the road.
Gates also discourage neighbors from just popping over when you are trying to get things done. Now, back in the day when neighbors would jump in and help you instead of distracting you was a time that is no more.
What type of animals? I live in a agricultural area of small farms for dozens of miles in every direction.. Electric fences are used to contain beef cows and usually rail fences for horses...Our chickens have a fenced pen but are often let out to forage...Other than this, there are no fences for the purpose of keeping people in or out...People keep their dogs on their property because loose dogs annoying livestock might be shot...My neighbors mind their own business, but they and us are not afraid to offer or ask for help if needed...
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There are extremes on every end of the spectrum on the subject of thief here and all have their validity. The bottom line is regardless of where one lives, keeps their belongings or has insurance or not, all of us are subject to bad things happen to us. Hopefully we learn from those negative experiences and will lead us to improving our defense systems to prevent future inconveniences of these Type Evelin our lives.
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What type of animals? I live in a agricultural area of small farms for dozens of miles in every direction.. Electric fences are used to contain beef cows and usually rail fences for horses...Our chickens have a fenced pen but are often let out to forage...Other than this, there are no fences for the purpose of keeping people in or out...People keep their dogs on their property because loose dogs annoying livestock might be shot...My neighbors mind their own business, but they and us are not afraid to offer or ask for help if needed...
Horses, cows, dogs, etc. We are 1/2 mile from a crossroad that has a service station, tire shop, post office, and restaurant. The service station got broken into last weekend and scratch-off lottery tickets were stolen. Idiots got busted when they tried to cash in winning tickets. LOL!
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There are extremes on every end of the spectrum on the subject of thief here and all have their validity. The bottom line is regardless of where one lives, keeps their belongings or has insurance or not, all of us are subject to bad things happen to us. Hopefully we learn from those negative experiences and will lead us to improving our defense systems to prevent future inconveniences of these Type Evelin our lives.
That's all true.
But there is a distinct quality-of-life difference between living in a place where you don't even have to lock your doors or lock up your equipment or take the key out of your ignition and nothing gets stolen in 40 years ...
... and living in a place where you have to lock everything up behind theft proof fences, locks, and alarms or it will literally be gone in 3 days if it's sitting out unlocked.
It's so different that it's not really the same sort of life. Certainly anything can happen anywhere, but it's the difference between No Man's Land and the rear garrison in a battle zone. Not comparable.
Lannis
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If you have a decent vehicle,you really need to look into getting it covered by a comprehensive insurance policy that covers things of this nature.
No matter where you live, you would be covered.
I self insure because I own all my machines w/o any of them leveraged however I take the risk if things go bad. Only liability coverage and I am very careful about where I park, just like traveling by moto.
IMHO
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If you have a decent vehicle,you really need to look into getting it covered by a comprehensive insurance policy that covers things of this nature.
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i was going to let this pass but since you bring it up a second time i feel the need to mention that i wrote that in my initial post that i have insurance for this and i have a $500 deductible.
" it is going to cost me $500 out of pocket for the insurance deductible and it will again if they decide they want to go for my shiny, newly installed unit."
there are too many things that can happen to you if you have a reasonably decent car and do not have it.
as far as moving out of here goes - well, yeah we have been tossing it around for a while. but it is a complicated thing and hinges upon jobs as well. i live in oakland, ca. and the city is changing really fast. a travel magazine not all that long ago put oakland into its top 10 list of cities to visit. housing prices are skyrocketing, rents are going through the roof and the homeless problem is exacerbated by all of it. real estate consortiums have descended upon this area and are exploiting the east bay for all they wring can wring out of it.
sideshow:
https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2019/04/14/oakland-sideshow-ends-with-ac-transit-bus-set-on-fire/
warehouse fire started (allegedly) by homeless guy in adjacent ally:
https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2019/04/01/2-alarm-fire-erupts-in-oakland-neighborhood/
large homeless camp shut down:
https://abc7news.com/society/city-crews-clear-big-oakland-homeless-encampment/5115527/
while annoying to me my loss of a $500 insurance deductible does not compare with some of the other stuff going on around me in this city. still and all we get the feeling it is time to leave. the confluence of sleazy real estate consortiums and the resulting homeless pandemic has mad the city nearly unlivable except in certain enclaves.
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Quite right, you have decided to except the risk of a high deductible. I only carry liability so I except the risk of losing the whole car w/o compensation. (50+ years and I haven't lost one yet for any reason.)
I guess I have never heard of a CAT theft so I am naïve about this type of occurrence.
When in CA I am in a rural area so not much theft of any kind. Down here in some of the orchards that have big electric water pumps for irrigation, thieves would tear into them for the copper and ruin the motor (for about $40 worth of copper).
So the big farmers started taping an envelope to the pump motor with a $100 bill and a note "take the money and please leave the motor alone"
You might try that method...don't know what the value of a used CAT is?
:-)
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A quick Google search tells me that a cat contains between 3-7 grams of platinum and other precious metals, let's say the average is 5 grams.
Current spot price of platinum is $903 per ounce and there's 28.3 grams per ounce so $32 per gram so $160 of platinum in that "average" cat.
Yeah... I'm seeing why they do it...
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Curious as to how they extract this metal, seems like that would be a chore no?
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I would guess they are selling the cats whole as replacements whether the originals were failed and plugged up or stolen.
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I think your right. If your in the black market parts business you take an order for a CAT of a certain make and model car and go out and find one and steal it and sell for 1/2 the price of a new one.
I think they work for Many miles so for a late model car its going to work. CA is very hard on the smog performance.
The precious metals is probably not the driver of this caper.
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For those talking about replacing with a straight pipe years ago my wife had a Dodge Daytona that the cat went bad. I fab'ed up a straight pipe and it ran terribly with no low end power. Not sure if it needed the back pressures or what but as soon as I bough a NAPA direct replacment cat and installed it the car ran like new.
So a straight pipe might not be the answer.
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So the big farmers started taping an envelope to the pump motor with a $100 bill and a note "take the money and please leave the motor alone"
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I think that if you read up on the history and results of the "Danegeld", you'll find that that method never works .... !
Lannis
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I think that if you read up on the history and results of the "Danegeld", you'll find that that method never works .... !
Lannis
after my travel trailer was broken into twice, I just leave it unlocked. I see no reason for them to break the door again. I keep the generator at the house now, so if they want $100 kenwood radio, lawn chairs and portable bbq grill, power to them.
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I think your right. If your in the black market parts business you take an order for a CAT of a certain make and model car and go out and find one and steal it and sell for 1/2 the price of a new one.
I think they work for Many miles so for a late model car its going to work. CA is very hard on the smog performance.
The precious metals is probably not the driver of this caper.
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Yep. That's how it works. :angry:
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I think that if you read up on the history and results of the "Danegeld", you'll find that that method never works .... !
Lannis
I read about this in the Bakersfield news paper (a few years ago) and it was never followed up..so ??
Now days they have other ways to monitor the big pumps?? maybe drones or small cameras or some wireless sensors to alert the farm of a molestation going on...??
I meant it as kind of a tongue in cheek thing...but I 'm pretty sure it was tried on one of the big farms 'cause they were loosing pump motors and expensive to replace and time consuming..
Desperation for something...anythin g...
BTW, I learned a long time ago...never say never!
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Danegeld aka protection.
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BTW, I learned a long time ago...never say never!
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You're right about "never", so I'll change it to "hasn't ever"!
Lannis