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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: cloudbase on February 10, 2020, 04:09:31 PM
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https://www.torquenews.com/1084/subaru-officially-joins-toyota-group-what-it-means-new-outback-and-forester-models (https://www.torquenews.com/1084/subaru-officially-joins-toyota-group-what-it-means-new-outback-and-forester-models)
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Well that will flush Subaru as been any chance of been reliable cheap to repair and any kind of entertainment to drive. Although having getting a few things repaired locally all mechanics and workshops seem to be flat out which means people are fixing things instead of buying new stuff so not a surprise they are struggling.
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Two auto brands with good reliability and practical designs.
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Maybe Subi will make a pickup truck now. :popcorn:
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They did in the 80s early 90s.
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Well that will flush Subaru as been any chance of been reliable cheap to repair and any kind of entertainment to drive. Although having getting a few things repaired locally all mechanics and workshops seem to be flat out which means people are fixing things instead of buying new stuff so not a surprise they are struggling.
Toyota is streets ahead in reliability, and fun compared to Subaru!
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Toyota is streets ahead in reliability,!
Toyota is trading on a reputation while burning it to the ground.
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They only own 20%, so I wouldn't loose any sleep over it.
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I was at the dealer last fall, getting the Prius :evil: serviced, and saw a neat looking sporty car with the hood up. Had Toyota emblems, and a boxer engine. :grin:
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They are building a Toyota / Mazda plant in Madison county, AL.
Looks like Toyota is doing what the big three did many years ago.
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This thread definitely contains quite a few “alternative” facts. WT_?
Questions:
1) When was it ever proven that Subaru makes more reliable vehicles than Toyota?
2) When did Toyota begin being associated with fun vehicles?
Cheers!
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I think the MR2 would be considered a fun vehicle. The Supra, not so much.
Pete
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The Subaru BRZ is the Toyota GT86. I predict: in 10 years from now one Toyota will be by far the biggest car maker. And the only one that is healty. Why? Because they are the only ones who have answers today to a lot of questions all other makers only begin to hear now. Electric and hybrid? Yes. Hydrogen? Look at the Mirai (the new one for 2020 is even a nice car). Homogeneous charge compression ignition? Well, they are affiliated with Mazda. Or to say it this way: Only one solution? Like Tesla? No.
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This thread definitely contains quite a few “alternative” facts. WT_?
Questions:
1) When was it ever proven that Subaru makes more reliable vehicles than Toyota?
When the 70 and the 200 series motors started turning themselves inside out before the drive lines fail (the drive lines used to go first) should you actually make them actually work and the Hilux got a poorly engineered DPF.
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When did Toyota begin being associated with fun vehicles?
I believe Alfa Romeo uses Toyota for their dealer network.
Mike
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I believe Alfa Romeo uses Toyota for their dealer network.
Mike
Where? Alfa Romeo are available at Fiat dealers in The USA.
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I think the MR2 would be considered a fun vehicle. The Supra, not so much.
Pete
MR2 last production was 2007...
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That is a pretty misleading article title. Wow, went from 16 something to 20! Earth shattering! Ford and GM collaborated to produce the 10-speed transmission in my F150. Now they are collaborating to produce a front wheel drive transmission together. That's bigger news!
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Maybe Subi will make a pickup truck now. :popcorn:
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(https://i.ibb.co/VMWzk2L/baja.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VMWzk2L)
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New car brand... Lexubuyota (Lexus, Suburu, Toyota)
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Yet, Subaru does not make a pick up...
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I own both a 2010 Tacoma and 2013 Outback. While both are good vehicles, I wouldn't say the Tacoma (USA built) is better quality...
I had a Japanese built 4runner prior to the Tacoma, and it was bullet-proof
The Tacoma has had:
-seat belt recall
-leaf spring recall due to rusting (they went through a few gas tanks...)
-limited service campaign for Cats (mine was fine -but got a new one anyways)
-noisy driveshaft campaign but mine is fine
-AC leak at condenser (fixed myself with new o-ring and a charge-up)
And a few areas of the Tacoma seem prone to rust (incl. clamps and fasteners under the hood). The engine is solid and it rides/tows great for a 10 year old vehicle.
The Subie has less mileage, but has only had the obligatory Takata air bag recall. It just seems better put together.
I'd look at an Ecoboost Ford truck, but I'm still leery of long term reliabilty. We'll see when the time comes ...
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Two Camrys here including a 2003 with 195K miles. Oil consumption is about 1/2 quart in 5,000 miles. I had a 2007 Tundra. It had an OK engine that I had to jury rig to get around the cold start valve issue ($5,000 to repair). But just about everything on the underside rusted out including the frame. Toyota makes pretty good cars but their trucks leave a lot to be desired.
Pete
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(https://i.ibb.co/R0zgNTy/brat.jpg) (https://ibb.co/R0zgNTy)
(https://i.ibb.co/VMWzk2L/baja.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VMWzk2L)
i mean a real pickup
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Two Camrys here including a 2003 with 195K miles. Oil consumption is about 1/2 quart in 5,000 miles. I had a 2007 Tundra. It had an OK engine that I had to jury rig to get around the cold start valve issue ($5,000 to repair). But just about everything on the underside rusted out including the frame. Toyota makes pretty good cars but their trucks leave a lot to be desired.
Pete
There are many documented cases in the midwest rust belt of Toyota pickups breaking in half due to rusted through frames. I saw a picture of one that broke when it was put on a lift.
kk
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There are many documented cases in the midwest rust belt of Toyota pickups breaking in half due to rusted through frames. I saw a picture of one that broke when it was put on a lift.
kk
Yeah, Toyota did a generous buy back of pre-2006 or 2008 (can't remember) Tacomas here in Canada just to get them off the road. But the issue doesn't apply to my 2010. They are better but not perfect. Resale values still very high in Canada.
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Have a 2012 Tacoma. Received a customer support program notification for a campaign to expect a notification for application of corrosion resistance compound to the frame. This applies to their list of cold climate states. I bought this truck in the aftermath of their last frame fiasco.
Old school here in PA and undercoat my vehicles every year with boiled linseed oil.
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Have a 2012 Tacoma. Received a customer support program notification for a campaign to expect a notification for application of corrosion resistance compound to the frame. This applies to their list of cold climate states. I bought this truck in the aftermath of their last frame fiasco.
Old school here in PA and undercoat my vehicles every year with boiled linseed oil.
Lol...thanks for the heads up. I should be getting a letter too, with all the salt (and other stuff) they use up here! I do the Rustcheck but haven't bothered in a while.
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Yes a few years ago Toyota and Subaru made a 2 door sports car together. Depends were you buy as to what badge it has on it.
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I don't mind it when a car manufactuer has a "service campaign." That means they are picking up the tab for the repair. Far better for the company to pay for the mistake than me!
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Agreed.
I should have also mentioned that Subaru has extended the warranty on my 2013 Outback's engine, CVT and electric parking brake to 10 years (I think). The engine extension was specifically for the oil consumption issue. Good on them for that...
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"The safety and security of all wheel drive" and "built in zero landfill manufacturing plants". Classic Subaru lies LOL! Here's hoping it doesn't rub off on Toyota.
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Subaru owners are hoping runaway Toyota doesn't rub off on them and kill someone!
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Toyota and Subaru are part of the keiretsu system. (In Japan a conglomeration of businesses linked together by cross-shareholdings to form a robust corporate structure.)
Honda by comparison is largely independent in the auto business although has many affiliates in the motorcycle business.
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I'd look at an Ecoboost Ford truck, but I'm still leery of long term reliabilty. We'll see when the time comes ...
Among my first cousins, I've got 3 retired Ford engineers and one 32 year Master Certified Ford mechanic, who's still at it, although finally spared having to do to much wrenching, a mixed blessing. Also, my lead Admin at work, a good friend of many years, is married to a 30 year Ford Master Mechanic.
I'd been itching for a midsize truck, and all 5 men, still getting paid by Ford, told me they wouldn't touch the new Ranger's Ecoboost with a ten foot pole, if long term ownership was the plan.
As a result I'm in my 5th Toyota, a '13 Tacoma (found a very low mileage used, private sale. 2nd Tacoma I've owned). Lovefest. Intentional engaged ownership is key, kinda like Guzzi's. If you know and monitor the weak points, you're likely to enjoy years and years of use. Worth noting that even among Toyota fanboys, the new Tacoma's (2016+) are not getting all positive press either...
As a New Englander, Suub's have a earned a pretty solid reputation for (rusty) longevity, again, with intentional engaged ownership. I owned an 86 1800 GL that was the best car in snow of all the 4x4's I've had (Subaru, Isuzu, Mazda and Toyota)
This union doesn't bother me too much. They've been crossbreeding for a while.
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Among my first cousins, I've got 3 retired Ford engineers and one 32 year Master Certified Ford mechanic, who's still at it, although finally spared having to do to much wrenching, a mixed blessing. Also, my lead Admin at work, a good friend of many years, is married to a 30 year Ford Master Mechanic.
I'd been itching for a midsize truck, and all 5 men, still getting paid by Ford, told me they wouldn't touch the new Ranger's Ecoboost with a ten foot pole, if long term ownership was the plan.
As a result I'm in my 5th Toyota, a '13 Tacoma (found a very low mileage used, private sale. 2nd Tacoma I've owned). Lovefest. Intentional engaged ownership is key, kinda like Guzzi's. If you know and monitor the weak points, you're likely to enjoy years and years of use. Worth noting that even among Toyota fanboys, the new Tacoma's (2016+) are not getting all positive press either...
As a New Englander, Suub's have a earned a pretty solid reputation for (rusty) longevity, again, with intentional engaged ownership. I owned an 86 1800 GL that was the best car in snow of all the 4x4's I've had (Subaru, Isuzu, Mazda and Toyota)
This union doesn't bother me too much. They've been crossbreeding for a while.
Thanks for the input. Yes, although not perfect, I will probably go back to Toyota for my next Tacoma. I know what I'm gonna get.
The jury is still out on my 2013 Subaru as I only have 78,000 km on it. Interested to see how it does. So far, so good. it's only been back to the dealer for 2 recalls (wiper, air bag). Nothing else has gone wrong (knock on wood). I must say that there is no contest in the snow - the Subaru is miles better than the 4X4 Toyota in the snow.
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A lot of the Subi's have steering racks made out of cheese. :rolleyes:
The son's metal recycling bin in his power steer business have discarded Subauru racks sticking out like ack ack guns, especially those with the motor on the rack. The teeth on the rack wear badly in the middle and develop play, and promptly get rejected on their Warrant of Fitness test.
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First off, let me clarify that I do not like Toyota vehicles, mainly due to their styling or rather lack thereof. Their interiors also scream bland and cheap, cheap, cheap.
However, I work with two dealer groups owning more than
70 dealerships each, covering most brands. Off the record, they will tell you they have the least warranty claims at their Toyota and Lexus stores.
Most people buy Toyota’s for reliable transportation, not because they are passionate about cars, in the same way you buy a toaster, because you want toast in the morning.
Now get back to talking passionately about your two wheeled beauties.