Author Topic: Subaru to become a Toyota affiliate (Read 4703 times)

cloudbase · « **on:** February 10, 2020, 04:09:31 PM »

https://www.torquenews.com/1084/subaru-officially-joins-toyota-group-what-it-means-new-outback-and-forester-models

Murray · « **Reply #1 on:** February 10, 2020, 04:18:44 PM »

Well that will flush Subaru as been any chance of been reliable cheap to repair and any kind of entertainment to drive. Although having getting a few things repaired locally all mechanics and workshops seem to be flat out which means people are fixing things instead of buying new stuff so not a surprise they are struggling.

Sheepdog · « **Reply #2 on:** February 10, 2020, 07:28:32 PM »

Two auto brands with good reliability and practical designs.

fotoguzzi · « **Reply #3 on:** February 10, 2020, 10:38:52 PM »

Maybe Subi will make a pickup truck now.

stubbie · « **Reply #4 on:** February 10, 2020, 10:48:24 PM »

They did in the 80s early 90s.

Mr Revhead · « **Reply #5 on:** February 10, 2020, 10:56:06 PM »

Quote from: Murray on February 10, 2020, 04:18:44 PM

Well that will flush Subaru as been any chance of been reliable cheap to repair and any kind of entertainment to drive. Although having getting a few things repaired locally all mechanics and workshops seem to be flat out which means people are fixing things instead of buying new stuff so not a surprise they are struggling.

Toyota is streets ahead in reliability, and fun compared to Subaru!

Murray · « **Reply #6 on:** February 11, 2020, 04:15:43 AM »

Quote from: Mr Revhead on February 10, 2020, 10:56:06 PM

Toyota is streets ahead in reliability,!

Toyota is trading on a reputation while burning it to the ground.

Motormike · « **Reply #7 on:** February 11, 2020, 04:29:16 PM »

They only own 20%, so I wouldn't loose any sleep over it.

Chuck in Indiana · « **Reply #8 on:** February 11, 2020, 06:27:09 PM »

I was at the dealer last fall, getting the Prius

serviced, and saw a neat looking sporty car with the hood up. Had Toyota emblems, and a boxer engine.

twowheeladdict · « **Reply #9 on:** February 11, 2020, 06:31:00 PM »

They are building a Toyota / Mazda plant in Madison county, AL.

Looks like Toyota is doing what the big three did many years ago.

Canada72 · « **Reply #10 on:** February 11, 2020, 08:53:17 PM »

This thread definitely contains quite a few “alternative” facts. WT_?

Questions:

1) When was it ever proven that Subaru makes more reliable vehicles than Toyota?
2) When did Toyota begin being associated with fun vehicles?

Cheers!

PeteS · « **Reply #11 on:** February 11, 2020, 09:33:25 PM »

I think the MR2 would be considered a fun vehicle. The Supra, not so much.

Pete

fossil · « **Reply #12 on:** February 11, 2020, 10:49:48 PM »

The Subaru BRZ is the Toyota GT86. I predict: in 10 years from now one Toyota will be by far the biggest car maker. And the only one that is healty. Why? Because they are the only ones who have answers today to a lot of questions all other makers only begin to hear now. Electric and hybrid? Yes. Hydrogen? Look at the Mirai (the new one for 2020 is even a nice car). Homogeneous charge compression ignition? Well, they are affiliated with Mazda. Or to say it this way: Only one solution? Like Tesla? No.

Murray · « **Reply #13 on:** February 12, 2020, 03:56:16 AM »

Quote from: Canada72 on February 11, 2020, 08:53:17 PM

This thread definitely contains quite a few “alternative” facts. WT_?

Questions:

1) When was it ever proven that Subaru makes more reliable vehicles than Toyota?

When the 70 and the 200 series motors started turning themselves inside out before the drive lines fail (the drive lines used to go first) should you actually make them actually work and the Hilux got a poorly engineered DPF.

Travlr · « **Reply #14 on:** February 12, 2020, 07:34:19 AM »

Quote from: Canada72 on February 11, 2020, 08:53:17 PM

When did Toyota begin being associated with fun vehicles?

I believe Alfa Romeo uses Toyota for their dealer network.

Mike

rocker59 · « **Reply #15 on:** February 12, 2020, 07:53:48 AM »

Quote from: Travlr on February 12, 2020, 07:34:19 AM

I believe Alfa Romeo uses Toyota for their dealer network.

Mike

Where? Alfa Romeo are available at Fiat dealers in The USA.

rocker59 · « **Reply #16 on:** February 12, 2020, 07:56:55 AM »

Quote from: PeteS on February 11, 2020, 09:33:25 PM

I think the MR2 would be considered a fun vehicle. The Supra, not so much.

Pete

MR2 last production was 2007...

bratman2 · « **Reply #17 on:** February 12, 2020, 08:33:05 AM »

That is a pretty misleading article title. Wow, went from 16 something to 20! Earth shattering! Ford and GM collaborated to produce the 10-speed transmission in my F150. Now they are collaborating to produce a front wheel drive transmission together. That's bigger news!

roadventure · « **Reply #18 on:** February 12, 2020, 09:15:41 AM »

Quote from: fotoguzzi on February 10, 2020, 10:38:52 PM

Maybe Subi will make a pickup truck now.

Groover · « **Reply #19 on:** February 12, 2020, 09:26:35 AM »

New car brand... Lexubuyota (Lexus, Suburu, Toyota)

rocker59 · « **Reply #20 on:** February 12, 2020, 09:38:19 AM »

Quote from: roadventure on February 12, 2020, 09:15:41 AM

Yet, Subaru does not make a pick up...

jpv7 · « **Reply #21 on:** February 12, 2020, 09:53:47 AM »

I own both a 2010 Tacoma and 2013 Outback. While both are good vehicles, I wouldn't say the Tacoma (USA built) is better quality...

I had a Japanese built 4runner prior to the Tacoma, and it was bullet-proof

The Tacoma has had:
-seat belt recall
-leaf spring recall due to rusting (they went through a few gas tanks...)
-limited service campaign for Cats (mine was fine -but got a new one anyways)
-noisy driveshaft campaign but mine is fine
-AC leak at condenser (fixed myself with new o-ring and a charge-up)

And a few areas of the Tacoma seem prone to rust (incl. clamps and fasteners under the hood). The engine is solid and it rides/tows great for a 10 year old vehicle.

The Subie has less mileage, but has only had the obligatory Takata air bag recall. It just seems better put together.

I'd look at an Ecoboost Ford truck, but I'm still leery of long term reliabilty. We'll see when the time comes ...

PeteS · « **Reply #22 on:** February 12, 2020, 11:03:44 AM »

Two Camrys here including a 2003 with 195K miles. Oil consumption is about 1/2 quart in 5,000 miles. I had a 2007 Tundra. It had an OK engine that I had to jury rig to get around the cold start valve issue ($5,000 to repair). But just about everything on the underside rusted out including the frame. Toyota makes pretty good cars but their trucks leave a lot to be desired.

Pete

fotoguzzi · « **Reply #23 on:** February 12, 2020, 11:18:40 AM »

Quote from: roadventure on February 12, 2020, 09:15:41 AM

i mean a real pickup

Moparnut72 · « **Reply #24 on:** February 12, 2020, 01:43:57 PM »

Quote from: PeteS on February 12, 2020, 11:03:44 AM

Two Camrys here including a 2003 with 195K miles. Oil consumption is about 1/2 quart in 5,000 miles. I had a 2007 Tundra. It had an OK engine that I had to jury rig to get around the cold start valve issue ($5,000 to repair). But just about everything on the underside rusted out including the frame. Toyota makes pretty good cars but their trucks leave a lot to be desired.

Pete

There are many documented cases in the midwest rust belt of Toyota pickups breaking in half due to rusted through frames. I saw a picture of one that broke when it was put on a lift.
kk

jpv7 · « **Reply #25 on:** February 12, 2020, 03:56:27 PM »

Quote from: Moparnut72 on February 12, 2020, 01:43:57 PM

There are many documented cases in the midwest rust belt of Toyota pickups breaking in half due to rusted through frames. I saw a picture of one that broke when it was put on a lift.
kk

Yeah, Toyota did a generous buy back of pre-2006 or 2008 (can't remember) Tacomas here in Canada just to get them off the road. But the issue doesn't apply to my 2010. They are better but not perfect. Resale values still very high in Canada.

JoeB · « **Reply #26 on:** February 12, 2020, 04:27:32 PM »

Have a 2012 Tacoma. Received a customer support program notification for a campaign to expect a notification for application of corrosion resistance compound to the frame. This applies to their list of cold climate states. I bought this truck in the aftermath of their last frame fiasco.
Old school here in PA and undercoat my vehicles every year with boiled linseed oil.

jpv7 · « **Reply #27 on:** February 12, 2020, 04:58:03 PM »

Quote from: JoeB on February 12, 2020, 04:27:32 PM

Have a 2012 Tacoma. Received a customer support program notification for a campaign to expect a notification for application of corrosion resistance compound to the frame. This applies to their list of cold climate states. I bought this truck in the aftermath of their last frame fiasco.
Old school here in PA and undercoat my vehicles every year with boiled linseed oil.

Lol...thanks for the heads up. I should be getting a letter too, with all the salt (and other stuff) they use up here! I do the Rustcheck but haven't bothered in a while.

stubbie · « **Reply #28 on:** February 12, 2020, 07:54:30 PM »

Yes a few years ago Toyota and Subaru made a 2 door sports car together. Depends were you buy as to what badge it has on it.

Motormike · « **Reply #29 on:** February 12, 2020, 08:33:03 PM »

I don't mind it when a car manufactuer has a "service campaign." That means they are picking up the tab for the repair. Far better for the company to pay for the mistake than me!

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Author Topic: Subaru to become a Toyota affiliate (Read 4703 times)