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Title: What is this hinge called and where to get?
Post by: Perazzimx14 on July 22, 2020, 08:00:43 AM: I found these in the UK but with $40 shipping on a $4 hinges its a bit cost prohibitive. On the UK site they are called "hinge link" but nothing comes up as that in the good ole US of A. I've tried Grainger, McMaster Carr, MSC local hardware stores.....nuffin.

Looking for versions in about 1" wide to add hinges to some Tusk pannier lids.

(https://i.ibb.co/JKnYKtw/80-638-MSZN-070613164720.jpg) (https://ibb.co/JKnYKtw)
Title: Re: What is this hinge called and where to get?
Post by: guzzisteve on July 22, 2020, 08:06:16 AM: Maybe under turnbuckle. Put your thinking cap on.
Title: Re: What is this hinge called and where to get?
Post by: Perazzimx14 on July 22, 2020, 08:14:37 AM: Quote from: guzzisteve on July 22, 2020, 08:06:16 AM
Maybe under turnbuckle. Put your thinking cap on.

I even tried with my drinking cap on and nothing.
Title: Re: What is this hinge called and where to get?
Post by: cliffrod on July 22, 2020, 08:39:52 AM: I would try hardware offered by woodworking ships. Lee Valley tools has a lot of common and obscure hardware. Just looked quickly at their website and found 27 pages of hinges (over 200 different styles) but didn't search. If I couldn't find that specific hinge there, they may be able to give you a specific part id or name. The hard copy catalogs I have from them are around 15 yrs old.

I also thought Packard woodworking used to have lots of hardware that is hard to find elsewhere. They're near me but mail order only.
Title: Re: What is this hinge called and where to get?
Post by: tris on July 22, 2020, 09:17:37 AM: Quote from: Perazzimx14 on July 22, 2020, 08:00:43 AM
I found these in the UK but with $40 shipping on a $4 hinges its a bit cost prohibitive. On the UK site they are called "hinge link" but nothing comes up as that in the good ole US of A. I've tried Grainger, McMaster Carr, MSC local hardware stores.....nuffin.

Looking for versions in about 1" wide to add hinges to some Tusk pannier lids.

(https://i.ibb.co/JKnYKtw/80-638-MSZN-070613164720.jpg) (https://ibb.co/JKnYKtw)

If you run up against a brick wall in the US, give me a quick PM as I'd think you got them delivered to me I could get them shipped over for less than that, though you might have to do some ducking and weaving with the Customs your end
Title: Re: What is this hinge called and where to get?
Post by: Perazzimx14 on July 22, 2020, 10:01:16 AM: Quote from: Daniel Kalal on July 22, 2020, 09:23:30 AM
you can buy a thousand for just $2.16 (or one for $4.68)

https://www.protex.com/80-638MSZN-hinge-link-mild-steel-zinc-plate-passivate-silver-blue

Yep and $40 shipping from Protex. They are the UK supplier I found them at.
Title: Re: What is this hinge called and where to get?
Post by: Rich A on July 22, 2020, 10:48:11 AM: They look like they wouldn't be that hard to make if you can TIG weld or maybe braze/silver solder.

Rich
Title: Re: What is this hinge called and where to get?
Post by: Perazzimx14 on July 22, 2020, 10:59:46 AM: Quote from: Rich A on July 22, 2020, 10:48:11 AM
They look like they wouldn't be that hard to make if you can TIG weld or maybe braze/silver solder.

Rich

I have access to some of the best SS TIG welders in the industry and an industrial sheet metal and pipe fab shops. Rolling the edges over the wire bail would take equipment to make it look professional. Even if we had this edge rolling equipment 15 minutes of dead labor costs would more than cover the $40 in shipping from the UK.

In the past as much as I've tried to manufacture items readily avalaible to save money, while i can usually do it it usually only cost me abot 5X as just buying.
Title: Re: What is this hinge called and where to get?
Post by: Rich A on July 22, 2020, 11:24:48 AM: Quote from: Perazzimx14 on July 22, 2020, 10:59:46 AM

I have access to some of the best SS TIG welders in the industry and an industrial sheet metal and pipe fab shops. Rolling the edges over the wire bail would take equipment to make it look professional. Even if we had this edge rolling equipment 15 minutes of dead labor costs would more than cover the $40 in shipping from the UK.

In the past as much as I've tried to manufacture items readily avalaible to save money, while i can usually do it it usually only cost me abot 5X as just buying.

I was thinking more along the lines of a garage workshop. You could weld stainless tubing onto flat stock instead of rolling the edges (slitting the tubing if you wanted).

Rich
Title: Re: What is this hinge called and where to get?
Post by: berniebee on July 22, 2020, 11:50:15 AM: Use a nylon or leather strap?

Or a door latch like this, bend the long strap 90 degrees.

(https://i.ibb.co/0qj94fL/door-latch.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0qj94fL)
Title: Re: What is this hinge called and where to get?
Post by: RinkRat II on July 22, 2020, 12:17:47 PM: Possibly search Articulating Hinge, woodworkers use something similar for hidden hinges on box lids. HTH

Paul B :boozing:
Title: Re: What is this hinge called and where to get?
Post by: Perazzimx14 on July 22, 2020, 12:34:42 PM: Quote from: RinkRat II on July 22, 2020, 12:17:47 PM
Possibly search Articulating Hinge, woodworkers use something similar for hidden hinges on box lids. HTH

Paul B :boozing:

I've searched

Articulating
Double articulating
Bail
Wire
Offset
Overlap
Offset overlap
Strap
Offset strap
90 degree/straigt strap
Surface mount
Lid
Metal lid
Metal lid with an overlapping lid
Box lid

....and just about every other term I can thing of for a hinge. Surely the site in the UK is has not cornered the market on this seeming obscure hinge?

I've poured over at least 4 hinge sepecific sites + all the common hardware suppliers, nothing!
Title: Re: What is this hinge called and where to get?
Post by: Perazzimx14 on July 22, 2020, 12:40:54 PM: Quote from: berniebee on July 22, 2020, 11:50:15 AM
Use a nylon or leather strap?

Or a door latch like this, bend the long strap 90 degrees.

(https://i.ibb.co/0qj94fL/door-latch.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0qj94fL)

If only these panniers were on a KLR this would be viable and probably preferred method to match the laundry detergent bottle hanguards and milk crate top case. I'd prefer something a little less DIY for my applcation.
Title: Re: What is this hinge called and where to get?
Post by: OldMojo on July 22, 2020, 02:43:00 PM: If you have any Amish/Mennonites nearby, swing by the buggy/tack shop.

"Ooh yah shure - dat dere's a Frausprag strap ya know"
Title: Re: What is this hinge called and where to get?
Post by: Muzz on July 22, 2020, 04:00:59 PM: There is an extended type of hinge called a Parliament Hinge.

Just done a search and in the plethora of pictures there is one with a similar action but nowhere near the construction.

Also looked in rising hinges but nothing like that.
Title: Re: What is this hinge called and where to get?
Post by: amamet on July 22, 2020, 04:16:23 PM: Passionate hinge

https://www.protex.com/80-638MSZN-hinge-link-mild-steel-zinc-plate-passivate-silver-blue
Title: Re: What is this hinge called and where to get?
Post by: amamet on July 22, 2020, 04:17:44 PM: Whoops just saw someone posted the same website :)
Title: Re: What is this hinge called and where to get?
Post by: amamet on July 22, 2020, 04:23:09 PM: https://www.hardwaremfg.com/product/hinge-link-mild-steel-zinc-plate-passivate-2/
Title: Re: What is this hinge called and where to get?
Post by: wirespokes on July 22, 2020, 04:25:41 PM: When searching in cases like this - go to Google images. In this case a good starting point is searching for "clasp". Here's what I found:

https://www.google.com/search?q=clasp&tbm=isch&chips=q:clasp,g_1:lock:BWpjjpyi_Ec%3D&hl=en&ved=2ahUKEwjXqrXg5OHqAhVWh54KHWTkBVoQ4lYoBnoECAEQIQ&biw=1519&bih=851
Title: Re: What is this hinge called and where to get?
Post by: drdwb on July 22, 2020, 04:26:45 PM: Something like this work? I did a search on Duck Duck for hinged hinge which gave me images of hinges. Clicked on link but the link failed.
Also got a laugh thinking about the drinking cap, thanks.

(https://i.ibb.co/P6J0rjc/DC7-DE4-BC-5568-4-AC1-BCF5-B01-E9-ABA6-B51.jpg) (https://ibb.co/P6J0rjc)
Title: Re: What is this hinge called and where to get?
Post by: oldbike54 on July 22, 2020, 04:38:48 PM: Quote from: Perazzimx14 on July 22, 2020, 12:34:42 PM
I've searched

Articulating
Double articulating
Bail
Wire
Offset
Overlap
Offset overlap
Strap
Offset strap
90 degree/straigt strap
Surface mount
Lid
Metal lid
Metal lid with an overlapping lid
Box lid

....and just about every other term I can thing of for a hinge. Surely the site in the UK is has not cornered the market on this seeming obscure hinge?

I've poured over at least 4 hinge sepecific sites + all the common hardware suppliers, nothing!

There are some things that are common in England that have never been seen here , just like there are items in Italy and Bhutan that we never see . The opposite is also true , although I don't think the Germans would care much for "cheese in a can" or mountain dew .

Despite what some think , we aren't the center of the universe :rolleyes: :grin:

Dusty
Title: Re: What is this hinge called and where to get?
Post by: wirespokes on July 22, 2020, 04:51:30 PM: Quote from: oldbike54 on July 22, 2020, 04:38:48 PM

Despite what some think , we aren't the center of the universe :rolleyes: :grin:

Dusty
Oh yeah? Where IS the center????
Title: Re: What is this hinge called and where to get?
Post by: oldbike54 on July 22, 2020, 05:17:03 PM: Quote from: wirespokes on July 22, 2020, 04:51:30 PM
Oh yeah? Where IS the center????

Kronos .

Dusty
Title: Re: What is this hinge called and where to get?
Post by: LowRyter on July 22, 2020, 05:18:55 PM: I guess you've already tried Ace Hardware and Lowes?
Title: Re: What is this hinge called and where to get?
Post by: Perazzimx14 on July 22, 2020, 05:52:26 PM: Quote from: amamet on July 22, 2020, 04:23:09 PM
https://www.hardwaremfg.com/product/hinge-link-mild-steel-zinc-plate-passivate-2/

Amamet for the win :thumb:. Looks like they are the UK link hinges but sold from Missouri. I'll call tomorrow to verify.

Thank you.
Title: Re: What is this hinge called and where to get?
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on July 22, 2020, 05:56:59 PM: Gotta love WG. :thumb:
Title: Re: What is this hinge called and where to get?
Post by: Muzz on July 22, 2020, 07:19:38 PM: Quote from: Chuck in Indiana on July 22, 2020, 05:56:59 PM
Gotta love WG. :thumb:

When I decide to build my first ultralight :rolleyes: :laugh: I'll know where to come!
Title: Re: What is this hinge called and where to get?
Post by: jrt on July 22, 2020, 11:00:20 PM: Yep, I did an image search as well and came up with this:
https://www.protex.com/80-638MSZN-hinge-link-mild-steel-zinc-plate-passivate-silver-blue

now you have options...
Title: Re: What is this hinge called and where to get?
Post by: Perazzimx14 on July 23, 2020, 06:22:26 AM: Quote from: jrt on July 22, 2020, 11:00:20 PM
Yep, I did an image search as well and came up with this:
https://www.protex.com/80-638MSZN-hinge-link-mild-steel-zinc-plate-passivate-silver-blue

now you have options...

Yes I know if you google "link hinge" it takes you right t the Protex site. That is where I 1st found the hinge type in question. ProTex is based in the UK. The problem is several dollars in hinges is $40+ dollars to ship. I am looking for a US based supplier to make this a little more cost effective.
Title: Re: What is this hinge called and where to get?
Post by: Perazzimx14 on July 23, 2020, 11:54:45 AM: Quote from: Perazzimx14 on July 22, 2020, 05:52:26 PM
Amamet for the win :thumb:. Looks like they are the UK link hinges but sold from Missouri. I'll call tomorrow to verify.

Thank you.

Back to the drawing board. This is an American based branch of Protex so they only take orders but items are still shipped from the UK :sad:
Title: Re: What is this hinge called and where to get?
Post by: oldbike54 on July 23, 2020, 12:07:57 PM: Quote from: Perazzimx14 on July 23, 2020, 11:54:45 AM
Back to the drawing board. This is an American based branch of Protex so they only take orders but items are still shipped from the UK :sad:

Yep , it took me some time to figure that out .

Dusty
Title: Re: What is this hinge called and where to get?
Post by: Zoom Zoom on July 23, 2020, 12:34:43 PM: So I guess the question is, just how badly do you want them?

ZZ
Title: Re: What is this hinge called and where to get?
Post by: amamet on July 23, 2020, 12:43:32 PM: Try Anvil cases. They make the cases we use

(https://i.ibb.co/3m7QrnM/F17-CB488-5768-446-D-8957-7-C983-F4-C7521.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3m7QrnM)