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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Chrull on September 01, 2023, 12:30:20 PM
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After spending six or so years looking at Guzzis I decided to to take action this summer.
A red Roamer was up for sale at a dealer within reasonable distance. When I arrived, rain was pouring down, so no test drive.
What could really be wrong with a bike with less than 5000km anyway? :grin:
Traded in my Suzuki and picked up my new italian beauty the next week.
(https://i.ibb.co/g6M1JD3/IMG-0392.jpg) (https://ibb.co/g6M1JD3)
After a few rides in between the constant rain that has been plaguing us poor swedes this summer I started to feel a bit annoyed with the way the bike rides.
When under load, say acceleration or trying to maintain speed up a hill the vibrations seems to be excessive. This happens at any RPM, from lugging to redline. Hefty vibrations in the seat and footpegs.
"Aha! Aftermarket slipons, therefore lean running - my solution is close at hand" I thought foolishly.
Spent an afternoon in the garage polishing the original mufflers and fitting them. - No difference. (But the bike looks better)
Fuel, spark and air. Lets check spark first. Least amount of work...
Gap was 0.8 left, 0.5 right.
*Checks manual*
Workshop manual: 0.6-0.7mm
Owners manual: 0.9mm
:violent1:
Guess I'll just set them to - oh no, don't bother. Left plug has a hairline crack.
(https://i.ibb.co/0scKds3/plug.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0scKds3)
Orders a new set and the arrive a few days later :rolleyes:
(https://i.ibb.co/m5fg7SF/plugs.jpg) (https://ibb.co/m5fg7SF)
Fitted my new plugs and took the bike for a spin (after waiting a couple of days for the rain to clear)
No difference what so ever.
Took it to my local mechanic, who also happens to work on Guzzis.
He took it for a test ride and I asked him if he thought there was anything wrong with it.
"Well, it vibrates more than any v7 or v85 I've ever riden"
- How about any V9 then?
The v9 has sold so poorly that he hardly had worked on any of them, but he didn't think it was anything wrong.
Back home I ordered a paddock stand to do the valve clearances.
Intakes were 0.10 / 0.20mm L/R and exhaust were 0.20 / 0.20mm L/R
Adjusted them to 0.10 / 0.15 as per the manual.
Took here for a spin this afternoon, and whoa, maybe something has changed. Less vibrations as I accelerated up to 100km/h before running out of road. Turned back and nope. As I turned around I now had the wind against me and the bike starts to vibrate more as the load increased.
Am I losing my mind here? Should my Roamer vibrate as much as my old DR650 when rolling on the throttle?
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I don't notice a significant amount of vibration on my Roamer, but I have learnt to ride in a lower gear than I thought.
Does feels like a twin TB engine with out of balance TBs sometimes
The latest map helped a snatchy throttle, and Todd on Guzzitech recommends VERY regular TPS resets
HTH
Tris
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What else has been modified? How about the handlebar? Are the stock bar end weights still attached?
Have you gone through all major chassis connections? Motor mounts?
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Look up the values and OHM your wires and plug caps. Older value was 5000ohms, I don't know if that's changed on the newer bikes. My$.02
Paul B :boozing:
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The latest map helped a snatchy throttle, and Todd on Guzzitech recommends VERY regular TPS resets
My plan was to get a new map from Beetle for my mistrals, but first I wanted to make sure the bike is in as good running condition as possible... Got my cables for GuzziDiag last week, will do a TPS reset tomorrow.
What else has been modified? How about the handlebar? Are the stock bar end weights still attached?
Have you gone through all major chassis connections? Motor mounts?
Stock except saddle bags, Guzzi original.
I don't feel any vibrations in the bars, and the mirrors are fine. Butt and feet is where it's at.
Haven't checked engine mounts. Will ad that to the list of things to do.
Look up the values and OHM your wires and plug caps. Older value was 5000ohms, I don't know if that's changed on the newer bikes. My$.02
Paul B :boozing:
Will ad it to the list :)
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This thread started by Kiwi Roy might help
https://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=102451.0
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Had a quick session in the garage before bedtime.
Measured spark plug caps to ground, through the coil. 1.8MOhm on both sides. Looks like there is a diode in there. Reversing the leads gives me an open circuit.
Does anyone know what manual to look for if I want more information on the electrical system? The V9 manual does not cover any electronics.
Edit: The V7III manual cover more of the electronics, and they look to be very similiar. I'll go with that for now :)
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There's a workshop manual for the bike (ref 2Q000193) and one for the engine (ref 2Q000202) that I found on line, but I can't remember where, maybe guzzitek?
If you can't find them PM me your email address and I'll ping them across.
There's a seperate document for the ECU/TB on the V7 (ref MIU G3 injection V750) that might help
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I do have both 2Q000193 and 2Q000202...
The V7III manual (2Q000297) give me these specs for the coils:
Primary winding resistance: 550 kΩ ±
10%
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Secondary winding resistance: 3 kΩ ±
10%
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Tube resistance 5 kΏ
That doesn't sound right to me :huh:
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Revs above 4k? get worse or better?
Front to back nut and bolt torque check for a few hours on the driveway might be informative..
Ridden any 2 cylinders before this? Was the zuki a 4 cylinder?
Maybe just a seat of the pants difference (!) your suddenly aware of..good to get a second opinion, and he did say not excessive
No vibes in the bars/mirrors is better then the slight wiggle I get looking at the lights behind me at speed
Where’s your shifting point? 3k? 4,5,6k?
Try running the same speed but different gears…like 60mph in 3rd, 4th, 5th…vibrating more /less?
Just throwing out ideas..
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Your primary resistance should be real low, like .5 to 3or4 ohms. All the other specs look correct.
Paul B :boozing:
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I have a Roamer, I’ve put 15,000 miles on it, and it has no vibration issues.
Just asking, are you coming off inline fours? Is this the first Guzzi you have ridden?
If so too either, I would get a ride on another, just to have a baseline. Obviously they vibrate much differently than 3/4 cylinder bikes, but it shouldn’t be aggravating.
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Revs above 4k? get worse or better?
Front to back nut and bolt torque check for a few hours on the driveway might be informative..
Ridden any 2 cylinders before this? Was the zuki a 4 cylinder?
Maybe just a seat of the pants difference (!) your suddenly aware of..good to get a second opinion, and he did say not excessive
No vibes in the bars/mirrors is better then the slight wiggle I get looking at the lights behind me at speed
Where’s your shifting point? 3k? 4,5,6k?
Try running the same speed but different gears…like 60mph in 3rd, 4th, 5th…vibrating more /less?
Just throwing out ideas..
Only had 2cylinder bikes before this:)
Last bike was a Suzuki SV650x. 90° V-twin with no real vibrations. Before that Kawasaki ER6 with a parallel twin. A bit buzzy at certain revs, but didn't shake my butt angrily :)
I've tried to rev it more, less and inbetween. Seems about the same. Vibrations dies off as soon as the throttle is rolled off.
I really wish the V9 would have a tach. I think my flashing shiftlight is set to 4.5k ish. Steady light at 6. Will have a look.
Your primary resistance should be real low, like .5 to 3or4 ohms. All the other specs look correct.
Paul B :boozing:
That's what I thought aswell. I don't really trust anything written in these manuals. :grin:
I have a Roamer, I’ve put 15,000 miles on it, and it has no vibration issues.
Just asking, are you coming off inline fours? Is this the first Guzzi you have ridden?
If so too either, I would get a ride on another, just to have a baseline. Obviously they vibrate much differently than 3/4 cylinder bikes, but it shouldn’t be aggravating.
I test rode a Bobber 5 years ago. It was freezing cold and dark, so only a 10min ride. Can't remember any vibrations. Only thing I remember was having a flat tyre on the motorway on the drive home from the dealer.
Also had a short ride on the new V7 850. Don't remember any annoying vibrations.
Next thing to do is to find one of the other 5 people in Sweden who has a Roamer to compare...
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My Roamer has some vibration but I’ve never considered it intrusive. Taking the bar end weights off decreased the “floppy” feeling on bumpy roads. It vibrates more than many other bikes I’ve owned but certainly less than my XS650 and my son’s previous Sportster. I think vibration is mostly relative to an individual’s experience and tolerance.
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My Roamer has some vibration but I’ve never considered it intrusive. Taking the bar end weights off decreased the “floppy” feeling on bumpy roads. It vibrates more than many other bikes I’ve owned but certainly less than my XS650 and my son’s previous Sportster. I think vibration is mostly relative to an individual’s experience and tolerance.
I agree. I have ridden Guzzis for over fifty years now and the V9 I bought four years ago falls into the general range of vibration I am used to. Some shake more some less but the V9 is not something out of the the feel I would expect. I have run into several folks that tried a Guzzi for the first time and have asked me if what they are feeling is "normal" or is there something wrong.
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You mentioned short mileage, but what about age?
I’ve noticed stories about ujoints going bad after sitting for some years. I’ve guessed with no real facts that…heating/cooling cycles over several years gets moisture trapped in the rubber cover, turning into rust, especially around those itty bitty what evers that are in there. I had a ujoint last a long time, while it was likely screaming in pain while it ate itself.
Any indications from the ujoint area of vibrations? Right foot getting pummeled? Turning the wheel, any resistance against the ujoint? Tight spot?
I have no experience with the small blocks, or the newer bikes. This seemed to be the big block California models that sat too long in a garage
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Update on the torque process.
Engine mount: Two of the nuts on the left side turned slightly before my wrench clicked at 50Nm. Sump and rear of the gearbox.
The rest were rock solid.
The four bolts that joins the frame in front of the engine were good as well.
Checked the nuts holding the exhaust headers.
Whip out my small wrench and set it to 20Nm.
Click, spin, spin and spin in that order. Three of them were seriously lose.
Time for a coffee, cleanup and then go for a test ride.
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Following with interest. Mine primarily shake its handlebars, the LHS more than the RHS. Even at idle, the handlebars visibly shake up and down. Under load, it shake the most. Perhaps a little in the seat as well, never felt anything in the pegs. It is never really bothersome to me, it is not putting fingers to sleep or anything. It is mostly a bother because it feels like the engine is laboring. Lower gears can help a bit, but not eliminate the issue.
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The thing to do is ride a different one.
Then you will know if the problem is in the bike or one of perception.
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Following with interest. Mine primarily shake its handlebars, the LHS more than the RHS. Even at idle, the handlebars visibly shake up and down. Under load, it shake the most. Perhaps a little in the seat as well, never felt anything in the pegs. It is never really bothersome to me, it is not putting fingers to sleep or anything. It is mostly a bother because it feels like the engine is laboring. Lower gears can help a bit, but not eliminate the issue.
Removing the bar end weights calmed mined down.
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Removing the bar end weights calmed mined down.
Interesting! Worth a try. Thank you for the tip :thumb:
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Update 2:
Took the bike for a spin after my adventures with the torque wrench. No difference. Might actually be worse. Or am I getting fed up with it? :grin:
Same hefty vibrations when rolling on the throttle.
Tried to keep track of shift points.
First to second at 30km/h or above. Second to third at 60km/h. Fourth is sort of usable from ~80km/h.
No way to get into 6th at legal speed.
Rolling on the throttle in 4th at 80km/h is possible but it feels strained. Low power paired with tall gearing :wink:
Dug out my trusty big single, the DR650 and went for a quick ride to the shops. Some vibrations at high RPM but smother than the Guzzi. Only when lugging the engine could the DR rival the V9.
The thing to do is ride a different one.
Then you will know if the problem is in the bike or one of perception.
Yes, this is the only real solution, unless I can actually find something wrong.
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That sounds severe! On level ground, if I am gentle with the throttle, I can accelerate with minimal vibrations from and honest 30 mph (50kph indicated) in 6th gear with mine. It is going uphill, over distance, where there is too little power to accelerate easily, that my handlebars bounce and the engine feels unhappy. Mostly in 6th, 5th and sometimes 4th gear with speeds ranging from 45 mph (70 kph) up to 70 mph (110 kph) or so.
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That sounds severe! On level ground, if I am gentle with the throttle, I can accelerate with minimal vibrations from and honest 30 mph (50kph indicated) in 6th gear with mine. It is going uphill, over distance, where there is too little power to accelerate easily, that my handlebars bounce and the engine feels unhappy. Mostly in 6th, 5th and sometimes 4th gear with speeds ranging from 45 mph (70 kph) up to 70 mph (110 kph) or so.
Are you trying to gaslight me? :shocked:
Took a few hours off work today, loaded the bike in the van and drove to the dealer. Their Guzzi guy was back from vacation and was happy to give it a test ride.
Came back after 2 minutes and told me at ran just like a V9 should.
Not really sure where to go from here....
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I wonder if the flywheel was properly installed balance-wise.
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Sounds to me like your best option is to figure out if it's the bike, or you? Unless you're really confident in the tech at the shop, I wouldn't be satisfied with him telling you, it's normal. You did say you had a couple short rides on two other Guzzi, but said both rides had limitations. I would go to the dealer and ask them to let you ride a late model v7. Ride the v9 to the dealer, then get on the v7, Vibration wise, the two bikes should be quite close. You should be able to tell within a few klic's if it's a "Guzzi thing" or it's your v9!
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Right!
I've just come back from a 50 mile loop on my V9 Roamer and was pondering your problem.
I found that if I got the bike to 40 MPH and then banged the throttle open in ....
5th - it vibrated a lot
4th - it vibrated enough to notice it
3rd - virtually no vibration and took off like a scalded cat
If you're gentle though it will accelerate reasonably in any of them
If you trust your mechanic that there nothing fundamentally wrong mechanically, I suggest that before you sign it's death warrant, you go for a decent ride and consciously ride 1 or 2 gears lower than you expect to.
For me the rules are
Up to 30 MPH 1st or 2nd as appropriate
Up to 40 MPH 3rd
Up to 50 MPH 4th
etc.
Took me a while to work that out by the way, and the bike is much happier I think
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Maybe Tris can take a ride to your place and you can compare the 2 bikes.Just a short jaunt right?
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Simples - only the North Sea an a bit if Norway between us or I'd do so willingly :laugh:
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After reading this thread I an getting the feeling that the OP is not winding it out. Guzzis like to be wound up. They tend to shutter a bit at lower revs with a load. On my V7lll 3k is about as low as I go and mainly in lower gears. :thumb:
kk
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Are you trying to gaslight me? :shocked:
Never heard the expression, so I had to google. No. Absolutely not. I just told you how my bike acts.
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Just ride another one…
Just what Bad Chad said.
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I've never ridden a V9, but have owned and ridden a fair number of other varying Guzzi's. I also have ridden SV650's and put 120k miles on a 650 V-Strom. All this to say the Suzuki 650 experience is absolutely nothing like the Guzzi experience. My money's on the V9 being fine.
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Right!
I've just come back from a 50 mile loop on my V9 Roamer and was pondering your problem.
I found that if I got the bike to 40 MPH and then banged the throttle open in ....
5th - it vibrated a lot
4th - it vibrated enough to notice it
3rd - virtually no vibration and took off like a scalded cat
If you're gentle though it will accelerate reasonably in any of them
If you trust your mechanic that there nothing fundamentally wrong mechanically, I suggest that before you sign it's death warrant, you go for a decent ride and consciously ride 1 or 2 gears lower than you expect to.
For me the rules are
Up to 30 MPH 1st or 2nd as appropriate
Up to 40 MPH 3rd
Up to 50 MPH 4th
etc.
Took me a while to work that out by the way, and the bike is much happier I think
This...........
Keep the revs above 4K and try hard throttle. I don't go into 6th gear unless I am above 70. Guzzi's LOVE to hang in the 5-6K range and up to redline.
I too think this is a matter of learning how a new motorcycle responds and performs, but I wonder if this is a U Joint Issue?
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This...........
Keep the revs above 4K and try hard throttle. I don't go into 6th gear unless I am above 70. Guzzi's LOVE to hang in the 5-6K range and up to redline.
I too think this is a matter of learning how a new motorcycle responds and performs, but I wonder if this is a U Joint Issue?
But he doesn’t know what to expect as a base line and will not know unless he rides another one.
Also, if it’s a U joint, the vibration will not change with gearshifts.
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Fall has just started and hasn’t gotten too warm. Seems to me like the perfect time for a long weekend trip to the nearest V9 owner!
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When trying to work out which gear I should be in without a rev counter, I produced this - object being to keep the bike in the green for any given speed
(https://i.ibb.co/dL6DZMC/V9-Change-points.png) (https://ibb.co/dL6DZMC)
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In the absence of another Roamer to try it might help
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For me the rules are
Up to 30 MPH 1st or 2nd as appropriate
Up to 40 MPH 3rd
Up to 50 MPH 4th
etc.
That’s my system, too. I’ve found that my Roamer is happiest in those ranges. When it’s happy I’m really happy :grin:
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Maybe something like this?
https://www.guzzitech.com/forums/threads/mg-v7-intake-hose-crunch.24144/
or a loose clamp on that intake hose?
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Up to 30 MPH 1st or 2nd as appropriate
Up to 40 MPH 3rd
Up to 50 MPH 4th
etc.
I am curious to know what fuel consumption you get.
For me, unless I am accelerating, my shifting points typically are
up to 12-15 mph 1st
from 12-15 mph 2nd
from 25 mph 3rd
from 30 mph 4th
from 40 mph 5th
from 45 mph 6th
Sometimes, I will carry a tall gear to a lower speed and that, if there is very little load on the engine. Or I may go as high as 70 in 4th if climbing a steep hill and/or facing a strong wind. Overall fuel consumption is 3.95 liter per 100 km / 59.5 mpgUS. Average speed about 40 mph, but that is due to a lot of gnarly, winding mountain roads with pently of braking and acceleration combined with country road cruising up to 60 mph. If I ride on highways with speeds in the 70-80 mph range, fuel consumption goes up by about 10%.
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You are shifting way too low. No wonder your bike is shaking like a wet dog. Wind her up, won't hurt her, in fact she will love you for it.
kk
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This is a short stroke engine not a diesel tractor. That sound at 70 in fourth is what you need to shoot for. Third year in the right mountains!
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I am curious to know what fuel consumption you get.
For me, unless I am accelerating, my shifting points typically are
up to 12-15 mph 1st
from 12-15 mph 2nd
from 25 mph 3rd
from 30 mph 4th
from 40 mph 5th
from 45 mph 6th
Sometimes, I will carry a tall gear to a lower speed and that, if there is very little load on the engine. Or I may go as high as 70 in 4th if climbing a steep hill and/or facing a strong wind. Overall fuel consumption is 3.95 liter per 100 km / 59.5 mpgUS. Average speed about 40 mph, but that is due to a lot of gnarly, winding mountain roads with pently of braking and acceleration combined with country road cruising up to 60 mph. If I ride on highways with speeds in the 70-80 mph range, fuel consumption goes up by about 10%.
I don't really know, but there again if I want to save fuel, I'll take the diesel car
But I think that was part of the problem for me
The car has various warnings on the dash urging me to shift up
Without a rev counter for the first time on a bike I was shifting at the wrong time.
The chart above helped me to recalibrate the revs to something I could see, ie the speedo
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Usually new owners to Moto Guzzi need to recalibrate the ecu in their head. As stated previously by others, shift at higher rpm's.
Shift at 5K rpm. Without a rev counter check the speeds on the graph provided by Tris. :thumb: You'll still be below the rev limit. This is accelerating and not cruising.
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Today, I noticed some highly annoying tingling vibes/buzzing in the pegs, mostly in the left. This came into fruition when hitting 55 kph (about 35 mph) in 2nd gear, and lasted at least to 45 mph, accelerating up a very steep switchback hill. Never noticed this before, nor after, but I am going to experiment more.
For the record, when the load is light, my engine runs smoother at low rpm. Meaning it is smoother at 40 mph in 6th than at 50 or 60 or 70 or 80. If you place significant load in the engine, this changes. But that is why there is a gearbox: if there is load, I change down.
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I opted to pickup the Guzzi little brain box thing which among a bunch of other peramiters, turns your cellphone into a tach. Works great.
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A few days away from the computer but sadly no real ride on my big, red vibrator.
Next in line for my testing is removing the saddle bag rack. It doesn't cause vibrations, but it might amplify them. If i reach around and touch them while riding I can feel them vibration more than anything else on the bike.
I wonder if the flywheel was properly installed balance-wise.
That should be impossible? Aren't flywheels supposed to be keyed to only fit one way?
Also, those nasty vibrations are really only under load. Engine braking or free revving it doesn't do it. Any unbalanced rotating mass should make the engine shake like a washing machine.
I found that if I got the bike to 40 MPH and then banged the throttle open in ....
5th - it vibrated a lot
4th - it vibrated enough to notice it
3rd - virtually no vibration and took off like a scalded cat
40MPH should be 65km/h, and that's where I usually get in to third gear. Accelerate from there and my behind gets a big spanking (more like a hundred tiny spanks but anyway)
If you trust your mechanic that there nothing fundamentally wrong mechanically, I suggest that before you sign it's death warrant, you go for a decent ride and consciously ride 1 or 2 gears lower than you expect to.
For me the rules are
Up to 30 MPH 1st or 2nd as appropriate
Up to 40 MPH 3rd
Up to 50 MPH 4th
etc.
Those speeds and gears sound pretty much like what I'm doing already....
Simples - only the North Sea an a bit if Norway between us or I'd do so willingly :laugh:
Unless you happen to live on the Shetland Islands you would't need to cross Norwegian territory since i live in the southern most part of Sweden. But you might have to deal with the Danes :evil:
Never heard the expression, so I had to google. No. Absolutely not. I just told you how my bike acts.
Only joking. I'm just suprised at how different our experiences are.
All this to say the Suzuki 650 experience is absolutely nothing like the Guzzi experience. My money's on the V9 being fine.
I'm also starting to think the V9 is fine. It just differs greatly from any other bike I've ever been on. All bikes I've been on have had a different feel, but no bike, has ever given me the sense of "something is not right."
When trying to work out which gear I should be in without a rev counter, I produced this - object being to keep the bike in the green for any given speed
(https://i.ibb.co/dL6DZMC/V9-Change-points.png) (https://ibb.co/dL6DZMC)
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I do like the chart, and will try to keep it in my head the next ride so see how close I am.
(From memory feel the bottom edge of the green zone needs to be slanted upwards.)
Maybe something like this?
https://www.guzzitech.com/forums/threads/mg-v7-intake-hose-crunch.24144/
or a loose clamp on that intake hose?
I like the idea of something wrong with the intake. Different mixture left and right would cause issues, and best of all, it can be fixed :)
I opted to pickup the Guzzi little brain box thing which among a bunch of other peramiters, turns your cellphone into a tach. Works great.
If I keep the bike adding some sort of tach would be on the list.
Writing all this have made me hungry. Time to get on the bike in search of something to eat. I will try to ride it like I stole it and se if it puts a smile on my face, or a thousand slaps on my butt.... :grin:
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Hit the rev Limited in third gear, look at speedo, whatever speed it shows never drop below 1/2 that speed. Repeat for fourth. Drive all day without ever hitting sixth! Problem solved.
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Hit the rev Limited in third gear, look at speedo, whatever speed it shows never drop below 1/2 that speed. Repeat for fourth. Drive all day without ever hitting sixth! Problem solved.
That's pretty much how I'm riding it, and it doesn't really solve anything (for me.)
Rolling on the throttle any more than a few percent makes the bike vibrate badly - no matter rpm. Just before hitting the rev limiter the seat stops vibrating, and the vibrations are added to the already buzzing footpegs.
This increases with every gear, second is worse than first, third is worse than second etc.
Took the bike for a 100km ride this morning. Did most of the riding between 40-110km/h (25-70mph). Got into 4th a few times.
I think it safe to say that this doesn't work for me. :cry:
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I still think you need to ride another V9 for comparison. When it comes to Guzzi dealers, my default is to not trust them unless I know that they actually truly know the brand. It’s like Ural dealers—a lot of them don’t know the nuances or special bits about the machines. And these bikes are still unique despite losing a small amount of the classic Guzzi character over the past decades (in the case of electronics, that’s not a bad thing!).
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Dirk is right. All this wheel spinning is useless, if it turns out its just you! Find someone who will let you ride another v9 if possible, but really anything v7III or later as long as it's a small block will tell you all you need to know. Once this has occurred, come back and enlighten us.
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That's pretty much how I'm riding it, and it doesn't really solve anything (for me.)
Rolling on the throttle any more than a few percent makes the bike vibrate badly - no matter rpm. Just before hitting the rev limiter the seat stops vibrating, and the vibrations are added to the already buzzing footpegs.
This increases with every gear, second is worse than first, third is worse than second etc.
Took the bike for a 100km ride this morning. Did most of the riding between 40-110km/h (25-70mph). Got into 4th a few times.
I think it safe to say that this doesn't work for me. :cry:
My V9 would definitely vibrate annoyingly, especially through the pegs, if I carried such low gears and high rpm. At least according to how it acted in 2nd gear on my Friday ride.
As several have mentioned, we all differ in how we observe vibrations, and what annoyes us or not. I am usually not bothered by low-frequency, high amplitude vibrations, but those thingling high-frequenzy, low amplitute vibs really gets to me. Main reason why I generelly struggle with multis. Even the Z1300 six I had would numb my fingers within seconds if held at a constant 4000 rpm, even if the buzz was too mild to disturb the mirror images. Others didn't even notice the vibrations.
So what I am trying to say is that while your V9 may be within the range of normality, it still may be a pain to ride for you. I have sold a lot of bikes due to vibration issues over the years.
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A faulty temp. sensor?
https://www.guzzitech.com/forums/threads/new-2022-v7-850-how-much-vibration-is-too-much-vibration.23792/post-198457