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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Vagrant on December 13, 2025, 09:44:09 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41kBl7VH0pI
If this is in fact real there will be a red one at my house.
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WOW!! That is quite stunning!! :thumb: :bow: :cool: :boozing: Wonder what the MSRP will be??????
(https://i.ibb.co/ds0MsDmw/Screenshot-2025-12-13-at-8-49-35-AM.png) (https://ibb.co/ds0MsDmw)
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Means they gave up on the watercooled , problamatic pig
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WOW!! That is quite stunning!! :thumb: :bow: :cool: :boozing: Wonder what the MSRP will be??????
(https://i.ibb.co/ds0MsDmw/Screenshot-2025-12-13-at-8-49-35-AM.png) (https://ibb.co/ds0MsDmw)
:laugh: :laugh:
Just more totally fake AI generated bull$hit.
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Like the multiple 2025 and 2026 Moto Guzzi California 1400 videos.
Viewer discretion needed.
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Well if it is AI generated BS it sure goes into great detail.
I would have liked to had the specs (weight, seat height etc) included in the data.
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I wish it were real, but it is 100% fake.
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For anyone who is struggling with media literacy in the age of AI, which has progressed to the point of being pretty hard to tell in many cases, a few possible tells that suggest you should question if it's AI or not are the text-to-speech voice, panning of still images, and inconsistency between images. Once you notice those things you can dig more into the account posting it, if the images are in settings that makes sense (road paint appropriate for Italy), and the most sure telling thing in this particular video - text and fine detail squish. Though they're getting better, many generative models mess up those fine details and you'll see text that has issues with the characters or fine details get blurred. It looks like they have the silver fins on the cylinder stick out past the outer black part rather than being recessed in which is another visual observation that doesn't match up with how a real engine's fins would be designed so as to not chip them. The tire tread pattern is also not consistent. This was surely fed real images of Moto Guzzi motorcycles which is why at quick glance they look similar to real models.
Stay frosty.
(https://i.ibb.co/hxNw61W7/ai-slop.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hxNw61W7)
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THE most beautiful motorcycles I’ve seen in decades!!! If it’s AI, Moto Guzzi should pay close attention and produce these beauties!!!
It would create a major comeback for Guzzi and create a waiting list.
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I like the design, but it's a bullshit, AI video. I only watched a bit of it, but my complaints are 1) there is no way to characterize an air cooled V twin as competitive with modern (water cooled) sport bikes. It'd be a hoot to drive, but a fraction of the power output. 2) who the heck puts up pictures of riders without helmets? And a long haired person with the hair loose? Now... I may not have much hair, but I do have a wife and a daughter and I know the repercussions of riding with loose hair.
Still- I'll grant that those are some cool designs. I'd seriously consider a sport... let's be realistic... 850 model. V1200 is nonsense.
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Don't you think that if Moto Guzzi was going to put out a performance bike, it would use the V100 platform? All of these AI garbage images are based on the small block platform. I didn't watch all the way through.
FYI, if a picture is bouncing around or moving quickly, it's for a reason.
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I like the design, but it's a bullshit, AI video. I only watched a bit of it, but my complaints are 1) there is no way to characterize an air cooled V twin as competitive with modern (water cooled) sport bikes. It'd be a hoot to drive, but a fraction of the power output. 2) who the heck puts up pictures of riders without helmets? And a long haired person with the hair loose? Now... I may not have much hair, but I do have a wife and a daughter and I know the repercussions of riding with loose hair.
Still- I'll grant that those are some cool designs. I'd seriously consider a sport... let's be realistic... 850 model. V1200 is nonsense.
Well I can say that I WANT it to be true, but it probably isn’t.
Even if they don’t build it, they SHOULD have..
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…there is no way to characterize an air cooled V twin as competitive with modern (water cooled) sport bikes.
Depends how you define “competitive”.
The average Joe would relinquish 25 hp to be able to reach the ground. It’s not always kW based.
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I vote for April Fool's Joke. The cadence of the speech is AI. The future at MG has been decided and it is not larger air cooled bikes. However, I love the artwork on this.
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The only 'truth' in these AI generated videos is that AI seemingly has a better eye for certain Moto Guzzi design elements than does the current crop of Moto Guzzi designers. I long for the day when Piaggio broadens its focus for Moto Guzzi where they get back to leading in design by using more of their own (MG) heritage. It seems there is an over emphasis on the many V7 variants in their lineup. With the exception of the V100, too much seems aimed to compete with Royal Enfield. Please, make a man sized motorcycle again.
But, I'm 'guessing' Piaggio lost their shirt on the 1400 bikes. The reviews were so overwhelmingly positive. The designs paid a lot of attention to detail but the line only lasted a bit over 6 years. Sorry, the Euro 5 excuse doesn't cut it with me because China builds and sells the H-D 1200 Sportster in Italy and Germany still builds their R18.
With the full GTM exhaust system combined with the GTM fueling system, the 1400 successfully punches well above its weight.
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They built this bike 25 years ago.
(https://i.ibb.co/KxvVkFmS/20230920-123204.jpg) (https://ibb.co/KxvVkFmS)
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I loved my Audace, I put up with the iffy fueling at low rpm. But the rake and trail with the heavy weight and long wheelbase made it a hassle for me to ride with my advanced age and low weight, 150 lbs. So I had to reluctantly had to let it go.
kk
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I the more I see and learn about the Audace the more I like it. The Audace Carbon was another awesome addition.
If AI can design bikes so can we.
Therefore:
I think the entire 1400 line needed the same unique 1400 headlight.
And I certainly would have liked the CA Touring front end mated with the MGX back end.
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Every once in awhile I see these renderings for a future v85 sport. I even saw one a couple months ago that basically turned the v85 chassis into a V7 sport style. Of course I'd love it if they did, but I doubt it.
I'm still waiting to see the next iteration of the v100 motor, whether it's a California or a true faux fairing sport touring bike. I'm not however holding my breath.
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Every once in awhile I see these renderings for a future v85 sport. I even saw one a couple months ago that basically turned the v85 chassis into a V7 sport style. Of course I'd love it if they did, but I doubt it.
So why was I roundly criticised by the established luminaries when I suggested that very thing ages ago, when Beetle and Pete Roper were around ?
I was always shot down by conventional wisdom gems such as…
“It won’t stand up against the current crop of Japanese stuff…”
“They won’t pass the new emission regs..”
“Good idea…! They will sell at least two dozen of them…”
and a dozen other contrived responses.
Us old farts just want what we want and are not heavily swayed by popular (young) opinion.
A throw back to the Le Mans with a scaled down 850 version of the current V100 motor, would scuttle the sales base of anything else from Mandello del Lario.
They would not be able to keep up with demand.
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So why was I roundly criticised by the established luminaries when I suggested that very thing ages ago, when Beetle and Pete Roper were around ?
I was always shot down by conventional wisdom gems such as…
“It won’t stand up against the current crop of Japanese stuff…”
“They won’t pass the new emission regs..”
“Good idea…! They will sell at least two dozen of them…”
and a dozen other contrived responses.
Us old farts just want what we want and are not heavily swayed by popular (young) opinion.
A throw back to the Le Mans with a scaled down 850 version of the current V100 motor, would scuttle the sales base of anything else from Mandello del Lario.
They would not be able to keep up with demand.
Beats me, ask your fellow Aussie Residents and verbal abusers........... :cool: :cool: :cool: :boozing: :boozing: :boozing:
I'm hugely in favor of a Sporting Road Oriented NON ADV Woody Woodpecker Beaked V85. I'll do all I can humanly possible to ever ride a WC bike again. My C10 Concours, FZ1 and FJR1300's were all fine motorcycles, but I prefer Air Cooled. I'm thrilled with the V85, but wish they would do more with the chassis. Yes, it might/would impact other models, but they could tailor it..... Imagine a V85+ Griso? LeMans? Daytona? Sport? Heck, though Roper and Crowd insist they couldn't increase the displacement to 951+ (I dont buy it...... a wee bit more bore and change to stroke even if you have to make larger jugs), why not those models called V1000 and expand that range as a more sporting air cooled option, and leave the V7/9 as the classic cruiser?
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So why was I roundly criticised by the established luminaries when I suggested that very thing ages ago, when Beetle and Pete Roper were around ?
Well, many over exaggerated ’luminaries’ are often simpletons. That, like most people, only like or are interested in what ‘they’ want. The ‘not invented here syndrome’ is as real as your heartbeat. Best to accept and then filter their technical input and to discard much of anything else.
If you like it, build it or modify an existing model to get what you desire. Ideas are typically easy. It’s the process of making them a reality that stops most people.
The ‘Keyboard Commando’ types often find a perverse joy in shooting down the ideas of others. Ignore and avoid them.
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Well, many over exaggerated ’luminaries’ are often simpletons. That, like most people, only like or are interested in what ‘they’ want. The ‘not invented here syndrome’ is as real as your heartbeat. Best to accept and then filter their technical input and to discard much of anything else.
If you like it, build it or modify an existing model to get what you desire.
I sort of did…
(https://i.ibb.co/9kbXyP4G/IMG-4427.png) (https://ibb.co/9kbXyP4G)
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Huzo, then you sir, won the Moto Guzzi build your bike as you want it to be game.
Congratulations!
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Huzo, then you sir, won the Moto Guzzi build your bike as you want it to be game.
Congratulations!
Walk around…? https://youtu.be/W9ulUhJgVwk?feature=shared
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Walk around…? https://youtu.be/W9ulUhJgVwk?feature=shared
Ha ha that made me seasick. Holy shaky camera....
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41kBl7VH0pI
If this is in fact real there will be a red one at my house.
Look at 1:05 and tell me how those forks work :laugh:
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Ha ha look at 1:05 and tell me how those forks work :laugh:
They don't only tubes nothing traveling on them.
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Walk around…? https://youtu.be/W9ulUhJgVwk?feature=shared
Love it, the plate as well.
Well done sir, well done indeed!
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I sort of did…
(https://i.ibb.co/9kbXyP4G/IMG-4427.png) (https://ibb.co/9kbXyP4G)
Is that the one that now has many silver parts instead of black?
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Walk around…? https://youtu.be/W9ulUhJgVwk?feature=shared
When you put a proper headlight on it, and it goes missing, you will find it in my garage......... :cool:
I was thinking the other day that being that I turned the V7ii Stornello into a V85 alternative, I should buy a V85 and turn it into a V7 Sport Alternative. Maybe after I sell a couple....... The Stable is over filled.
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Is that the one that now has many silver parts instead of black?
Yes.
Engine is next.
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Yes.
Engine is next.
Silver looks better!
Although some of the off colors like copper, graphite, or a variant of olive green might also look good. the old Kal-Gard colors come to mind.
I used some of this on a DR650 790cc cylinder. Just a touch different from the OEM engine color.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Duplicolor-DE1651-3-Pack-Engine-Enamel-with-Ceramic-Cast-Coat-Iron-Color-12-oz/813965043
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Getting the old stuff off is the thing.
I’d like to get it done with dry ice blasting, the CO2 just melts then gasses off.
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Also, speaking with Pete Roper today, he enlightened me in a couple of areas regarding boring and stroking small blocks.
The crank will most usually crash into other metal stuff in there and it becomes impossible to control the crankcase presssure via conventional venting etc..
Just a royal PITA and you hit the limit of a whole lot of parameters.
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Smallblock motor is at it's end for enlargement but you could charge it w/a blower to blow the heads off!!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41kBl7VH0pI
If this is in fact real there will be a red one at my house.
If this were a real Moto Guzzi, and not an AI dream bike, it would probably list for $18,000-$24,000.
One could build a similar MC a platform, using an 1100 EV, and adding seats, bars, etc from any past Tonti frame machines. I can’t imagine one would need to spend more than $10,000, to create a very nice one.
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Put the V85 motor in a V7. Could easily be tuned to make 100 HP or more as an 850. Not superbike territory but at least be able to keep up with 750 Sportbikes. Just for reference the new Norton Manxman makes 206HP with a 4 cylinder 1200 or 103 HP from 600cc. Likely cut into V100 sales thiugh.
Pete
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Put the V85 motor in a V7. Could easily be tuned to make 100 HP or more as an 850.
So what is the displacement of the current V85 mill and how will it “easily be tuned” to get a 100 horse power figure …? :popcorn:
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Also, speaking with Pete Roper today, he enlightened me in a couple of areas regarding boring and stroking small blocks.
The crank will most usually crash into other metal stuff in there and it becomes impossible to control the crankcase pressure via conventional venting etc..
Just a royal PITA and you hit the limit of a whole lot of parameters.
Hear me out. Keep the same crankshaft, and head and pistons unchanged, but increase the stroke and use longer connecting rods, and taller jugs (cyls). My pea brain says to get to 950, you'd need to increase stroke/length by: (follow my ramble)
The current V85 is an oversquare motor - Bore = 84 mm (0.084 m) Stroke = 77 mm (0.077 m).
If you kept the 84mm bore, and went undersquare and used a 86mm stroke (9mm increase) by using taller Cyls and CRs, you'd be at 953cc.
The only real problem I would see with this is clearance at the case/lower cyl opening for the CR, but if youre making new CR's you can adjust for that. This is the red suspender snapping approach and only requires new 9mm longer Connecting Rods and Cyls. Heck, depending on the length of the CYL sleeve in the jug, you might be able to get away with a 9mm spacer and new CR's.
Keeping with the same insanity, increasing bore to 85mm is more involved, new pistons, remachining heads for larger jugs (maybe) but bumps displacement to 978CC.....
Both are close enough to call it a 1000 and you'd have a torquey little motor, but less potential power at the top end.
I've been round and round with Pete on this years ago, and I respect the man, but don't agree. Neither do I have the machine shop capabilities to do this. But in my mind, a 9mm (.34in) increase in stroke and cyl height isn't a bridge too far, nor is a 1mm increase in bore.
Pardon my geeking out, this is leftover slag from my time building High Powered NA VW/Porsche Type IV motors. If I had the ability and resources, I'd do it. Again, The ONLY real problem I see here is that the CR's could touch the case where the cyls insert, and properly fashioned CRs could be used to offset that potential.
I know, I know, you will say that the Guzzi Engineers would have done it if possible, but hey, they aren't even able to properly grease swing arm and steering yoke bearings......... :popcorn: :evil:
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Put the V85 motor in a V7. Could easily be tuned to make 100 HP or more as an 850. Not superbike territory but at least be able to keep up with 750 Sportbikes. Just for reference the new Norton Manxman makes 206HP with a 4 cylinder 1200 or 103 HP from 600cc. Likely cut into V100 sales thiugh.
Pete
Yeah, but why? the rest of the V7 is not made for that kind of power or speed......
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I don't think V7 buyers would be interested in that level of power. I know I wouldn't, my '26 V7 has quite a bit of power. However I haven't been able to see how much passing power it has at 80 or 90 mph. The Mandello had more than I ever used, I had it up to 113 mph corrected on a long line of cars out in the middle of Nevada. Would that much power be a good idea on the V7's frame which wasn't designed for it.
kk
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I am talking about a modern LeMans. Not a touring bike. My 50 year old LeMans can handle 130 MPH without flinching with far more primative suspension.
Ducati 851s were making 110 HP over 30 years ago without variable valve timing. The V100 is fine sport touring bike but fairly heavy for a pure sport bike. Why do you think a V7 couldn’t handle 150 MPH?
Pete
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Pete Roper has said there is no way a modern Guzzi 850 can make a reliable 100plus HP, period It's amazing they are able to get 80hp out of it.
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Walk around…? https://youtu.be/W9ulUhJgVwk?feature=shared
You need to turn the idle up on that beast. Sound too Harley-ish....
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Hear me out. Keep the same crankshaft, and head and pistons unchanged, but increase the stroke and use longer connecting rods, and taller jugs (cyls). My pea brain says to get to 950, you'd need to increase stroke/length by: (follow my ramble)
The current V85 is an oversquare motor - Bore = 84 mm (0.084 m) Stroke = 77 mm (0.077 m).
If you kept the 84mm bore, and went undersquare and used a 86mm stroke (9mm increase) by using taller Cyls and CRs, you'd be at 953cc.
The only real problem I would see with this is clearance at the case/lower cyl opening for the CR, but if youre making new CR's you can adjust for that. This is the red suspender snapping approach and only requires new 9mm longer Connecting Rods and Cyls. Heck, depending on the length of the CYL sleeve in the jug, you might be able to get away with a 9mm spacer and new CR's.
Keeping with the same insanity, increasing bore to 85mm is more involved, new pistons, remachining heads for larger jugs (maybe) but bumps displacement to 978CC.....
Both are close enough to call it a 1000 and you'd have a torquey little motor, but less potential power at the top end.
I've been round and round with Pete on this years ago, and I respect the man, but don't agree. Neither do I have the machine shop capabilities to do this. But in my mind, a 9mm (.34in) increase in stroke and cyl height isn't a bridge too far, nor is a 1mm increase in bore.
Pardon my geeking out, this is leftover slag from my time building High Powered NA VW/Porsche Type IV motors. If I had the ability and resources, I'd do it. Again, The ONLY real problem I see here is that the CR's could touch the case where the cyls insert, and properly fashioned CRs could be used to offset that potential.
I know, I know, you will say that the Guzzi Engineers would have done it if possible, but hey, they aren't even able to properly grease swing arm and steering yoke bearings......... :popcorn: :evil:
I think you meant to say the 9mm more stoke has to come from the crank itself (move the crank pin 4.5mm away from center), then shorten the connecting rod by 4.5mm. IIRC, that is how Powroll used to stroke the Honda single cylinder engines.
I might be misconstruing something.....
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Hear me out. Keep the same crankshaft, and head and pistons unchanged, but increase the stroke and use longer connecting rods, and taller jugs (cyls). My pea brain says to get to 950, you'd need to increase stroke/length by: (follow my ramble)
The current V85 is an oversquare motor - Bore = 84 mm (0.084 m) Stroke = 77 mm (0.077 m).
If you kept the 84mm bore, and went undersquare and used a 86mm stroke (9mm increase) by using taller Cyls and CRs, you'd be at 953cc.
The only real problem I would see with this is clearance at the case/lower cyl opening for the CR, but if youre making new CR's you can adjust for that. This is the red suspender snapping approach and only requires new 9mm longer Connecting Rods and Cyls. Heck, depending on the length of the CYL sleeve in the jug, you might be able to get away with a 9mm spacer and new CR's.
Keeping with the same insanity, increasing bore to 85mm is more involved, new pistons, remachining heads for larger jugs (maybe) but bumps displacement to 978CC.....
Both are close enough to call it a 1000 and you'd have a torquey little motor, but less potential power at the top end.
I've been round and round with Pete on this years ago, and I respect the man, but don't agree. Neither do I have the machine shop capabilities to do this. But in my mind, a 9mm (.34in) increase in stroke and cyl height isn't a bridge too far, nor is a 1mm increase in bore.
Pardon my geeking out, this is leftover slag from my time building High Powered NA VW/Porsche Type IV motors. If I had the ability and resources, I'd do it. Again, The ONLY real problem I see here is that the CR's could touch the case where the cyls insert, and properly fashioned CRs could be used to offset that potential.
I know, I know, you will say that the Guzzi Engineers would have done it if possible, but hey, they aren't even able to properly grease swing arm and steering yoke bearings......... :popcorn: :evil:
How will you increase the stroke if you retain the same crank ?
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If Norton steals 100 sales from anybody I'll be amazed.
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LOL, sorry for the distraction, ignore the maroon in the corner............. . Playing around with the idea of an "April Fools Joke" Seemed funny yesterday :popcorn:
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LOL, sorry for the distraction, ignore the maroon in the corner............. . Playing around with the idea of an "April Fools Joke" Seemed funny yesterday :popcorn:
Not a distraction at all. Alternative and optional ideas and questions are quite good and should be welcomed.
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LOL, sorry for the distraction, ignore the maroon in the corner............. . Playing around with the idea of an "April Fools Joke" Seemed funny yesterday :popcorn:
I think the quest for the Magical Moto Guzzi needs to continue.
Once upon a time, Moto Guzzi engineers thought invisible grease was an impossible goal.
Lick your wounds and carry on.
"To a wise man, every day is a new life!"
"One foot in front of the other, soldier, one foot in front of the other...."
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A stock V85 (853cc) makes about 65 rwhp. It can easily make about 83rwhp with readily available intake, tuning and exhaust mods. That’s a 27% increase over stock which is really quite impressive.
Can it make 100rwhp? Not without significant modifications in its inherent design. These modifications simply aren’t at all readily available. Neither is there anyone building the parts to take the V85 to the 100rwhp mark.
An 853cc V-Twin can absolutely be designed to make 100rwhp. The current Moto Guzzi V85 V-Twin just isn’t among the 100rwhp group.
If the Moto Guzzi V85 engine, transmission, frame, drivetrain etc can’t handle 100rwhp, I’d suggest that’s a design flaw from the start.
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LOL, sorry for the distraction, ignore the maroon in the corner............. . Playing around with the idea of an "April Fools Joke" Seemed funny yesterday :popcorn:
Actually, I think you meant “moron in the corner…”
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Actually, I think you meant “moron in the corner…”
Of course....
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Of course....
https://share.google/images/vEn2e1FzT6fM49t5l
I knew exactly what Bulldog9 meant. I always think of a picture I saw taken at some protest of a neck beard holding a sign that said"
"YOUR A BUNCH OF MORANS!"
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I knew exactly what Bulldog9 meant. I always think of a picture I saw taken at some protest of a neck beard holding a sign that said"
"YOUR A BUNCH OF MORANS!"
Ahhh yes.
Now I get it, that angle makes it funny…. :boozing: :thumb: :weiner:
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Ahhh yes.
Now I get it, that angle makes it funny…. :boozing: :thumb: :weiner:
It's a more polite way to call someone (or one's self) a Moron........... Sorry Huzo lol........... Too many Saturday Mornings listening to Looney Toons.............. . It's also where I got my education and exposure to Classical Music.
I just thought I'd have some fun with it. Then the next morning, the mood passed to keep it going.
BUt back on Topic, I would really like to see variations of the V85 with a proper headlight, lowered suspension, small fairing, more performance than a V7 but less than the V100..... It's a gap that could and should be exploited.
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According to the video, the V120 has that new transverse engine.
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If you're really chasing horsepower, wouldn't one ditch the shaft for a chain?
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A large under seat storage compartment for small essentials? Is that like jumbo shrimp?
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It’s all completely fake,why are people still talking about it?
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Simple. It's winter and we are all bored. Also we wish most of it was true!
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Yesterday I saw a YT video with many imaginary 2026 models. A 2026 California that was essentially a copy of the 2020 CA Touring. Also a V120 California that was stated as ‘just a concept at this time’.
They even showed a bunch of verticals twins using an existing Aprilia motor as well as a 350cc single.
Today, an Engineer that doesn’t master AI will quickly be subjected to it.
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I humorously suggest this thread be locked, to save the less well informed from being misled.
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I humorously suggest this thread be locked, to save the less well informed from being misled.
I already ordered two over the internet....
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I already ordered two over the internet....
Brilliant!!!