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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: simplyj on October 02, 2014, 09:11:52 AM
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So I've taken delivery of the salvage 2014 Moto Guzzi V7 Stone I purchased at auction to build into a mild street scrambler style bike inspired by the Baak V7. Finally had some time to assess the bike and order stock replacement parts. Overall the bike is in very good condition despite being a salvage title. Tank and headlight/dashboard took the brunt of the damage. I'm hoping the tank can be salvaged, because a $1200 new tank would be a big hit to the budget. The tank has one large crease and several dents, however, it is holding gas just fine. Speaking of gas, the nice folks at the auction company were nice enough to leave some gas in the bike and, despite the key being broken off in the ignition cylinder, the bike fired right up on the first try.
This build is going to take place in my NYC backyard. I've built or repaired 3 other bikes back there, much to the chagrin of some neighbors and the delight of others. Thankfully my building manager is a motorcycle enthusiast and doesn't hassle me. But, I've already ordered most of the parts so hopefully this build won't take too long and there won't be much in the way of custom work that will create noise or fumes to piss off the neighbors. I learned my lesson on my last build and after a shelling out for a nice bottle of wine for the upstairs neighbors, I won't be doing any more paint work out back, haha.
Inspiration:
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Bike as delivered:
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Tucked away in the backyard:
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my trusty shop dog Whisky in the background
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Tank damage
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Valve cover damage
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Front end with damaged headlight bracket removed. Fender is fine but brace is cracked. Looks like the bolts were bent as well so I'm now looking forward to drilling out the remaining two and possibly re-tapping fork mounting holes.
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Front brake line cut
Parts ordered from Harper's Moto Guzzi:
Fork Stabilization Plate: $34.73
Head Cover: $81.12
Spark Plug Cover: $unlisted - guys at Harper's are looking into it
Head Cover gasket: $4.82
Brake Hose: $42.23
Copper Washers x4: $1.30ea
Aftermarket parts (initial list):
Danmoto Classic Cockpit Gauge - I will be also making a custom Moto Guzzi vintage style gauge face to replace the standard Danmoto one
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Renthal streetfighter bars (using without the pad)
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LSL Clubman 6.5" headlight
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Emgo polished cafe style headlight ears
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Lossa Engineering Stubby Can mufflers:
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Kenda K761 tires
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Tomaselli grips (had em laying around and they look dark brown on black bars)
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As far as the bodywork goes, the plan is to have the tank fixed and painted in gloss black. Front and rear fenders will be bobbed and, along with the side covers, also painted gloss black. Seat is going to be shaved and recovered in brown bison leather by a local upholsterer Corinna of Via Meccanica in Brooklyn. All turn signals and tail will be LED.
Will be updating as the bike progresses. Most pressing issue is removing the ignition switch to bring to a locksmith to have the broken key removed and new keys cut. Damn shear rivet is making it a hassle. Looks like I'll have to remove the triple to get access and leverage to either cut a slot and use a screwdriver or drill it out. Top nut looks to be a 28mm or 29mm... anyone know for sure?
Cheers,
Jason
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That looks like that might just come out all right!
What really impresses me is your ability to work essentially right there in the street in an urban environment .... !
Looking forward to see how it all finishes up, keep us apprised ...
Lannis
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Thanks Lannis,
I've adapted to the environment during my last few builds... some hightlights from past builds:
SV650 rebuild and suspension swap after getting hit by cab
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CL350 build
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latest 2001 Triumph "scramblerization"
can't tell from pic but suffered from light front and rear accident damage
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Really looking forward to see how your yard build turns out! Do you do your custom seats by yourself? If you do send it out, who in NYC can you recommend?
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If the tank is holding gas I'd fill the damage and re-paint. That stubby muffler (if it can even be called a muffler) is very squid like. Ditch it and get something that will compliment your build not detract from it.
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Really looking forward to see how your yard build turns out! Do you do your custom seats by yourself? If you do send it out, who in NYC can you recommend?
As mentioned, I'll likely be using Corinna of Via Meccanica. http://viameccanica.com/
I don't have any personal experience with her, but saw one of her seats this past weekend at the DGR and was sold.
If the tank is holding gas I'd fill the damage and re-paint. That stubby muffler (if it can even be called a muffler) is very squid like. Ditch it and get something that will compliment your build not detract from it.
I'm not the biggest fan either, but I'm bound by her choices. I personally like the Lossa reverse cone (as used on my bike) but she saw this V7 on instagram and liked the look:
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Looking forward to following this thread! Off to a great start and wishing you well in the build. ;-T
And lots of :PICS!: (especially the GF when she gets to ride it finished for the first time, with a big grin of course!)
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good luck with the build, just don't let GF see the new ducati scramblers
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I hope she didn't like the look of those full knobby tires; that would be a miserable ride on the street ('cause I'll bet a small paycheck this bike's not going stump-jumping :o ) and would put ANYone off riding ... :-\
Lannis
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Do you mind sharing how much you paid for the salvage at auction? Or, how much the total build will end up costing? I'm thinking about a winter project and a salvage rebuild is something I'm considering.
Also, what would have caused the crease in the left side of the tank? Did the forks / triples rotate that far to the left?
Looks great, I love the inspiration.
Tom
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Good stuff! Looking forward to following your progress.
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Do you mind sharing how much you paid for the salvage at auction? Or, how much the total build will end up costing? I'm thinking about a winter project and a salvage rebuild is something I'm considering.
Also, what would have caused the crease in the left side of the tank? Did the forks / triples rotate that far to the left?
Looks great, I love the inspiration.
Tom
Paid $3500 for the bike at auction + fees and transport. Hoping to be around the $5000-5500 mark when it is all said and done which will put me at around 62-68% of a bone stock '14 model or 50-60% of the cost of performing substantively the same mods on a new or slightly used 2013-14 V7 stone.
The salvage title process in NY is a bit of a pain, having to make an appointment to meet with an inspector to go over the bike, go through receipts, and see pics of the repair process to ensure none of the parts are stolen. It takes a while to arrange and deal with, but beyond that it isn't so hard. I feel comfortable that it won't be a severe financial hit should we decide to sell and most importantly, it gives my gf the opportunity to get more involved in my hobby by designing and helping to build her motorcycle. I know I feel a much deeper connection to the bikes and cars I've poured my blood, sweat, and tears into rebuilding versus those I have viewed solely as means of transportation.
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After having Ed Milich rebuild my heads, I tried dime city' s 12 inch reverse cones on my V50III but removed them after I fired them up, couldn't take the noise level. Went with Lario mufflers and am pleased with the sound and appearance.
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Tell me about this bison leather upholsterer. I have a seat that I want done really nicely. This sounds interesting and the brown is what I'm looking for. Hmmm...
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I know I feel a much deeper connection to the bikes and cars I've poured my blood, sweat, and tears into rebuilding versus those I have viewed solely as means of transportation.
Ab so lutely..
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Tell me about this bison leather upholsterer. I have a seat that I want done really nicely. This sounds interesting and the brown is what I'm looking for. Hmmm...
She doesn't specifically do bison leather, however, she said she would source us a hide. My gf saw a triumph scrambler with a Baldwin bison leather seat and fell in love with it. So that's now the game plan.
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Got an email into Corrina; thanks. I like her seats also. Will see if pricing fits the bill.
Kevin
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Was at work late so by the time I got home, there was very little time for the bike. However, I was able to remove the top triple and get the lock cylinder out, install the new bars, and mocked up some adjustable levers and lollipop mirrors I had laying around so the gf could get a visual to help decide what style she wants.
Lock cylinder out and currently at my local locksmith. He got the broken key out and unfortunately it was broken off just a little short. When I left the shop this morning, he was trying to work out the last notch. Fingers crossed!
(don't worry, I vacuumed after I was done)
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Bars and emgo headlight ears on. Renthal ergonomics are better in my opinion and makes for a more comfortable riding position than the stock bars. Width is about the same.
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Tomaselli grip on to see how it looks (no grip glue at this point)
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Mirror shot. I'm partial to stock style mirrors as all the bar end and lower profile mirrors I've used over the years give crap visibility... gf isn't sold yet.
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The rest of the night was spent on the computer mocking up a gauge face in photoshop... my skills are rudimentary and I wish I had knew illustrator so I could make a vector image, but I think it'll work. The 160mph is a little ridiculous, but I stuck with the original gauge sweep.
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Those of us (myself included) who are sometimes prone to bitching about working in less than ideal conditions should remember your talent/ability to do much more with much less. Well done so far. ;-T
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Considering the bikes environment and intended use , leaving the small dent in the tank kinda makes sense . Oh , and yes to mirrors that function as mirrors , especially in NYC traffic .
Dusty
I'd agree if it were just a small dent. The big crease at the front of the tank is unsightly and she really wants to go gloss black with the bodywork. Finally found a body shop willing to take on the job though...
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I'd agree if it were just a small dent. The big crease at the front of the tank is unsightly and she really wants to go gloss black with the bodywork. Finally found a body shop willing to take on the job though...
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D Seems as though she is making all the decisions and you are doing all the work , pretty normal relationship ;D
Dusty
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I'd agree if it were just a small dent. The big crease at the front of the tank is unsightly and she really wants to go gloss black with the bodywork. Finally found a body shop willing to take on the job though...
I'm chiming in late here, but as I've mentioned several times, having the right tool is about 3/4 of the job. Paintless dent removal guys have those tools, and know how to use them.
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I'm chiming in late here, but as I've mentioned several times, having the right tool is about 3/4 of the job. Paintless dent removal guys have those tools, and know how to use them.
talked to a few local paintless dent guys and all said the same thing, the damage is too bad for PDR. The crease in the front is going to require a stud gun and puller. Doesn't really matter as the tank is going to be repainted anyhow.
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Gauge face looks good. Also, 160 doesn't seem too absurd since the stock gauge goes to 140, and the speediest I've been able to do was 98 and that downhill ;-T
Were you looking to incorporate all the idiot lights? If so, you left out the Check-Engine and Low-Fuel lamps.
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Gauge face looks good. Also, 160 doesn't seem too absurd since the stock gauge goes to 140, and the speediest I've been able to do was 98 and that downhill ;-T
Were you looking to incorporate all the idiot lights? If so, you left out the Check-Engine and Low-Fuel lamps.
Unfortunately the gauge I'm using with doesn't incorporate those warning lights. I'm planning on wiring two small LEDs in the gauge bracket for low fuel and check engine.
Ran home during lunch to meet my super about something and found a few packages waiting for me. Headlight arrived. Took the 5 min to install and couldn't be happier. 6.5" is slightly smaller than stock but still big enough to throw some serious light. Very happy with the look and quality of the LSL headlight.
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Also grabbed the ignition from the locksmith. After a lot of trial and error he was successful and I now have a fully functioning keyset for the bike! Knock on wood but things are going pretty smoothly so far.
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Moving right along ;-T Just noticed the poor bastid didn't even have a chance to remove the warning stickers before she got crashed. How many miles on this salvage and how did you locate the bike?
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Moving right along ;-T Just noticed the poor bastid didn't even have a chance to remove the warning stickers before she got crashed. How many miles on this salvage and how did you locate the bike?
not sure since the gauge panel went missing in the crash. Judging by the tire wear, I'd venture a guess of less than 500. Found it browsing copart.com. Sometimes I just browse for fun and happened to run across it about a week before my gf discovered Moto Guzzis and started her campaign to own one. She's a smart girl, she brought bikes up again after softening me up with some good bourbon... I slipped up and told her I saw a good candidate... and now we're here.
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Hats off to your endeavours so far. ;-T
It seems as though that you have caught "the disease". Most of us here have found Guzzi's to be strangely addictive, and very hard to shake. ;D
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That tank will repair ok. I rebuilt my first moto morini 3 1/2 in my house bus, very limitated space. had it on the kitchen table a lot of the rebuild. the joys of batchelor life ;)
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We got a little wrench time in today before the Jets
beatdown game started. Removed the heavy stock cans, passenger pegs, and grab rails then mocked up the Lossa stubby mufflers. Very happy with how they look and also, the amount of weight shed in the process.
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Then taped up the rear fender to figure out cut lines.
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Cutting
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mounted back on the bike. Going to go with a small black Bates style LED pedestal mount tail.
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Happy girl
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Does the small muffler, muffle? Looks cool.
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Does the small muffler, muffle? Looks cool.
My guess is they will seriously screw with the EMU's ability to trim and will make the bike run like a munter. Probably horribly loud as well.
Pete
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Does the small muffler, muffle? Looks cool.
Not entirely sure. I have a lossa reverse cone on my Triumph and it sounds great. A lot of Thruxton guys run the stubby mufflers on EFI bikes, but different bike so I guess we'll see on the V7
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My guess is they will seriously screw with the EMU's ability to trim and will make the bike run like a munter. Probably horribly loud as well.
Pete
Yep, those big Australian birds really don't like those small silencers. :BEER:
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Not entirely sure. I have a lossa reverse cone on my Triumph and it sounds great. A lot of Thruxton guys run the stubby mufflers on EFI bikes, but different bike so I guess we'll see on the V7
You might want to familiarize yourself with the Guzzidiag tutorial thread, and spend some time learning how to adjus the tune. Could be fun!
Looks like your girlfriend is going to end up with a very nice bike, with a very reasonable investment. Please keep updating as you make progress.
Cheers,
Shaun
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You might want to familiarize yourself with the Guzzidiag tutorial thread, and spend some time learning how to adjus the tune. Could be fun!
Looks like your girlfriend is going to end up with a very nice bike, with a very reasonable investment. Please keep updating as you make progress.
Cheers,
Shaun
I don't think Paul & co. have got Guzzidiag working for the MUIG-3 or whatever its called yet? Could be wrong. Paul?
Short, unbaffled, pipes will almost certainly cause problems with the O2 sensors, especially given their proximity to the foreshortened pipe exits. This will create issues, especially at idle and lower rpm and may well have serious implications for both fuel economy and engine longevity. Just sayin'.
As for noise? As long as it doesn't impact me I don't care what people do to their bikes but I would of thought in an inner city urban environment like NY you'd not be popular with your neighbours if you have a stupidly raucous motorbike. Antisocial, that's all.
Pete
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I don't think Paul & co. have got Guzzidiag working for the MUIG-3 or whatever its called yet? Could be wrong. Paul?
Short, unbaffled, pipes will almost certainly cause problems with the O2 sensors, especially given their proximity to the foreshortened pipe exits. This will create issues, especially at idle and lower rpm and may well have serious implications for both fuel economy and engine longevity. Just sayin'.
As for noise? As long as it doesn't impact me I don't care what people do to their bikes but I would of thought in an inner city urban environment like NY you'd not be popular with your neighbours if you have a stupidly raucous motorbike. Antisocial, that's all.
Pete
Thanks for correcting me, Pete. I thought I had read somewhere that they had accomodated the small-blocks, but that could just be a mistake on my part.
For what it's worth, I agree on the loud pipes issue -- I do like to be able to hear my bikes, but can't deal with obnoxious noise. I know that's subjective, but I find that many aftermaket exhausts -- with the DB killers left in -- provide a nice balance of sound level and pleasing tone.
Cheers,
Shaun
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Quite. At the moment I'm running a Mistral Hi-Pipe without the dB killer in on the Griso. With the latest map it doesn't sound too bad and its quite possible to ride through built up areas without it being obnoxious but this is partly because with the recent run of maps Mark has produced you can trickle along on a whiff of throttle at 1,800 rpm with none of the 8 and 16 stroking that used to make the gearbox 'Chatter' if you tried it. That meant that you'd tend to cog it down a couple of gears and although you wouldn't be using appreciably more throttle the noise level was substantially increased. Mark has hinted though that when he 's well again he'll be doing some work towards producing a dB killer installed map that he reckons will impact very little on performance but will substantially quieten the bike down. This to me is ideal as when I'm riding, especially if I'm doing the sort of speed that might draw me to the attention of Plod, the less I announce my presence the better. I want to be ignored! ~;
Jude and I went for a nice ride on the Mana yesterday and just as we were returning to Bungendore we got rounded up and passed by a trio of Pirates with the ubiquitous loud pipes and attitude. One of them had the number plate 'PHAT'. On arriving back in Bungendore they had all been pulled over at an RBT check and their bikes were being given the once-over by Captain Grunty. We puttered up. He took one look and waved us on. Brilliant! Suck it up 'Outlaws' :BEER:
Pete
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Simplyj, I don't know how you get any work done!
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Can I vote for Shinko 705s in place of the Kendas? I've had both and the Shinkos are awesome...Kendas not so much.
Note: On completely different bikes so YMMV.
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Can I vote for Shinko 705s in place of the Kendas? I've had both and the Shinkos are awesome...Kendas not so much.
Note: On completely different bikes so YMMV.
I run shinko 705s on my triumph and love them but wanted to stick as close as possible to the stock size tires and run tubeless tires. Kendas met the criteria better.
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Thanks for correcting me, Pete. I thought I had read somewhere that they had accomodated the small-blocks, but that could just be a mistake on my part.
Cheers,
Shaun
AFAIK there are options for the 15M-RC used with the earlier twin TB motors but not the single TB controller. As said though I could be wrong.
Given that it is so difficult to get appreciable performance increases with the smallblock I tend to advise against modifications that will radically alter the way the engine pumps, especially those that will immediately impact on the O2 sensor functions. That means that by seriously screwing about with stuff like pipes and air filters, especially going to 'Shorties' like those this lad is using will most likely create issues like service warnings, errors detected and possibly a drop into limp mode which wouldn't be fun in NY traffic.
Look, I'm NOT being critical of what the lad is doing. He's having a go and personalising his young lady's bike and that's great but I'd hate for him to get in over his head and end up with a potentially dangerous vehicle that could get him and his GF into trouble.
Pete
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Sounds (and looks) like this build is more for "show" and not "go". Best of luck...
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I have been planning to get the ECU reflashed by either Todd at GuzziTech or by my local Rexxer dealer to help deal with the stubby exhaust. Looks like Dave at Redline figured out the '13+ ecu a little while back and Rexxer has the '13+ listed on their website now.
The build is more for show than go, but still want to run reliably. I've spoken to another owner of a '11 V7 with these cans and after an ECU tune he's reported it running very well. Not for nothing, but there are always detractors and naysayers on every build. I'm not making any permanent modifications to the exhaust that cannot be changed or reverted back to stock should a serious issue arise. I'll be putting all the shakedown miles on and if there is a problem, I will deal with it.
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Rexxer does have a map for the single TB V7 but that map is based on the stock exhaust and intake. The Rexxer map deletes the O2 sensors so the ECU won't be getting conflicting signals from those sensors. Nevertheless, a major mod to the exhaust is bound to create a much leaner running condition, in spite of the re-map. You will need to put the bike on a dyno in order to adjust the map to your actual configuration. How lean? I guess it boils down to how lucky you feel.
BTW, most Rexxer dealers won't have a dyno. Redline does and that's how they were able to come up with the V7 map for other Rexxer dealers. Dave Lillard @ Redline would be the best person to talk to for ground truth on this issue.
Peter Y.
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Rexxer does have a map for the single TB V7 but that map is based on the stock exhaust and intake. The Rexxer map deletes the O2 sensors so the ECU won't be getting conflicting signals from those sensors. Nevertheless, a major mod to the exhaust is bound to create a much leaner running condition, in spite of the re-map. You will need to put the bike on a dyno in order to adjust the map to your actual configuration. How lean? I guess it boils down to how lucky you feel.
BTW, most Rexxer dealers won't have a dyno. Redline does and that's how they were able to come up with the V7 map for other Rexxer dealers. Dave Lillard @ Redline would be the best person to talk to for ground truth on this issue.
Peter Y.
you're right and sadly, VA isn't close enough for me to get a proper dyno tune. Been discussing the next best option with Todd at GuzziTech and I'm sending him the ECU/TB as well as the mufflers and he's going to work out a custom map on his '13. Seemed confident that he can work it out.
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Seems like a reasonable thing to do.
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1st attempt at the gauge face came out ok... but some of the numbers, the logo, and idiot lights are hard to read. Tweaked it in photoshop and will get some more printed out tomorrow. Crappy blurry pic but you get the point.
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Speaking for all of us old guys , we really just want to see more pics of your lovely GF ;D
Dusty
You're telling me that you're not interested in gauge faces and efi tuning discussions??? What kind of forum is this?
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1st attempt at the gauge face came out ok... but some of the numbers, the logo, and idiot lights are hard to read. Tweaked it in photoshop and will get some more printed out tomorrow. Crappy blurry pic but you get the point.
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I like it! ;-T
Dusty, you aren't dead but sure sound desperate. :P
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Give it another 12 years KD , you will learn to appreciate beauty :D
Dusty
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Those things are also interesting , but we like girls on bikes a lot , just do a forum search ;) Hey , most of us are old , we need to be reminded we aren't dead yet . Actually , this has been a fun thread , attaboy .
Dusty
Not technically on a bike...
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Cool looking muffler. ;-T ;) ;D
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Not technically on a bike...
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"Well the East coast girls are hip
I really dig those styles they wear "
The Beach Boys were right about that . Nice smile .
Dusty
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Ah, now I understand the choice of silencer (muffler). Those heels would play havoc with high mounted cans! ;)
Phil
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Not technically on a bike...
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Like I said earlier, I don't know how you get any work done :)
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'Long Legged and Easy To Live With'
Phil
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'Long Legged and Easy To Live With'
Phil
Only one of those is true, haha
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Only one of those is true, haha
The same could be said of a Guzzi bike. Long legged, but as for easy to live with, well.....
I'm late to this thread, but am enjoying it. Pay no attention to the naysayers, I've modified my V7's engine considerably with no error codes or dangers.
Of course I'm not saying it was a cake-walk either.
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Pay no attention to the naysayers, I've modified my V7's engine considerably with no error codes or dangers.
Of course I'm not saying it was a cake-walk either.
Nobody that I can see is 'Nay Saying'. What is being offered is caution and advice from people, some of whom have decades of experience and considerable qualification to offer that advice. Some of it, like my observations about noise, are purely subjective. The laws of physics and principles of engineering are VERY objective and are very hard task-masters. Any advice given on that level I would suggest is worthy of consideration. Like any other advice gleaned from the 'Net' though it's worth exactly what you pay for it.
Disagreeing with people is fine. Acting like a complete cock is a different matter. Just look at ATE......
Pete
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Nobody that I can see is 'Nay Saying'. What is being offered is caution and advice from people, some of whom have decades of experience and considerable qualification to offer that advice. Some of it, like my observations about noise, are purely subjective. The laws of physics and principles of engineering are VERY objective and are very hard task-masters. Any advice given on that level I would suggest is worthy of consideration. Like any other advice gleaned from the 'Net' though it's worth exactly what you pay for it.
Disagreeing with people is fine. Acting like a complete cock is a different matter. Just look at ATE......
Pete
I have been a member of many forums over the years and and been wrenching and learning even longer and I think I'm being diplomatic when I say that there is never a shortage of opinions... I joined this forum to see if I could glean some knowledge from the members and find a way to build the bike she wants while maintaining rideability. While not to everyone's personal aesthetic or audible tastes, I'm not building this for the forum (though I do enjoy sharing the progress). I do appreciate the technical advice and I've taken it to heart and sought out persons with the technical abilities and knowledge I lack.
Noise and aesthetic concerns are really personal preference. I live on a NYC block populated by several bikes... a Harley 1200 with V&H straight pipes, a Repsol CBR with a "gp" stubby exhaust, and another Triumph Scrambler with VW "pipes"... many of my neighbors know me well and I've never received a single complaint about my exhaust. When moving the bike for alternate side parking, I generally push it in order to avoid bothering neighbors at 7am. Competing with 2nd Ave subway construction, early morning garbage trucks, and the constant hum of traffic, I think the occasional bark of a motorcycle exhaust isn't much of a concern for most New Yorkers.
Now back to the aesthetic updates...
unfortunately the budget took a hit when she didn't like my Triumph mirror suggestion. In place, she really liked the Rizoma retro line so I picked up a set. Hate to say it, but I think she was right on this one...
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2949/15468405065_559236139d_c.jpg)
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FYI - Pete is a career Guzzi technician with significant factory training and first hand experience, especially with the cock-ups of DIYers (his most recent was someone who managed to toast a Guzzi motor using 02 manipulators). Not saying that's what you're going to do, but just he's of the opinion from watching these events that modern bikes run best when the balanced intake/exhaust systems are more or less left alone. ESPECIALLY the smallblock which doesn't respond well to little tweaks that say something like a Harley sportster might.
As for this:
Noise and aesthetic concerns are really personal preference. I live on a NYC block populated by several bikes... a Harley 1200 with V&H straight pipes, a Repsol CBR with a "gp" stubby exhaust, and another Triumph Scrambler with VW "pipes"... many of my neighbors know me well and I've never received a single complaint about my exhaust. When moving the bike for alternate side parking, I generally push it in order to avoid bothering neighbors at 7am. Competing with 2nd Ave subway construction, early morning garbage trucks, and the constant hum of traffic, I think the occasional bark of a motorcycle exhaust isn't much of a concern for most New Yorkers.
I was born in NYC, my dad and step-mom still live there.
I've seen anti-bike laws passed, parking or travel on certain streets restricted, and non-stock exhaust enforcements. Maybe your neighbors who know you don't bitch, but you KNOW someone on your block hates you. Such things just give us a black eye as a community, not that NY bikers need any help with image de-enhancement thanks to that well publicized incident with chasing down the Land Rover earlier this year.
Anyway, I really appreciate your aesthetic goals and the craftsmanship of your approach, but I do sincerely hope the exhaust is not too anti-social.
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Yes, perfect mirrors. She nailed it!
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FYI - Pete is a career Guzzi technician with significant factory training and first hand experience, especially with the cock-ups of DIYers (his most recent was someone who managed to toast a Guzzi motor using 02 manipulators). Not saying that's what you're going to do, but just he's of the opinion from watching these events that modern bikes run best when the balanced intake/exhaust systems are more or less left alone. ESPECIALLY the smallblock which doesn't respond well to little tweaks that say something like a Harley sportster might.
As for this:
I was born in NYC, my dad and step-mom still live there.
I've seen anti-bike laws passed, parking or travel on certain streets restricted, and non-stock exhaust enforcements. Maybe your neighbors who know you don't bitch, but you KNOW someone on your block hates you. Such things just give us a black eye as a community, not that NY bikers need any help with image de-enhancement thanks to that well publicized incident with chasing down the Land Rover earlier this year.
Anyway, I really appreciate your aesthetic goals and the craftsmanship of your approach, but I do sincerely hope the exhaust is not too anti-social.
Not to get into a debate on sound or neighbors' hatred of me, I was merely pointing out that there are much worse offenders on my block and throughout NYC. I've been riding in NYC since 2006 and was here when that plainly audible standard came out... not that I'm an offender, but I've never met anyone who has received a citation based on that measure. The measure of anti-social noise is based on a different standard here than in the quiet suburbs, but I am still cognizant of my neighbors and, as previously said, push the bike for alternate side parking in the morning rather than risk waking folks up. My 2-1 with a single 12" straight-through baffled muffler is not obnoxiously loud, and having heard the stubbies on several triumph twins, I do not anticipate this bike to be obnoxious either.
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I didn't think I'd like those mirrors....but I like those mirrors. Post a pic of them 'from the rear of the bike' whenever you're able.
The girl has good taste.
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Not to get into a debate on sound or neighbors' hatred of me, I was merely pointing out that there are much worse offenders on my block and throughout NYC. I've been riding in NYC since 2006 and was here when that plainly audible standard came out... not that I'm an offender, but I've never met anyone who has received a citation based on that measure. The measure of anti-social noise is based on a different standard here than in the quiet suburbs, but I am still cognizant of my neighbors and, as previously said, push the bike for alternate side parking in the morning rather than risk waking folks up. My 2-1 with a single 12" straight-through baffled muffler is not obnoxiously loud, and having heard the stubbies on several triumph twins, I do not anticipate this bike to be obnoxious either.
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Just expressing the concern.
Remember, there's a reason that standard came out in the first place, even if it is not being heavily enforced RIGHT NOW.
Enjoy the build (I know we will enjoy seeing it).
RIDE SAFE,
Kev
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You know the dude was just sharing. He didn't ask for any commentary or unsolicited advice.
Keep it coming J! The more pics the better!
-AJ
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I think you're handling and addressing concerns in a meaningful way (with regard to these pipes) by working with Todd. The way I look at it is there are smart ways and stupid ways to address these things with big negative consequences potentially. Your solution in the end may pave a better road.
Kevin
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You know the dude was just sharing. He didn't ask for any commentary or unsolicited advice.
Not to sound like Lannis, but he did, defacto, by starting a conversation.
If you don't want to hear it, don't bring it up kinda thing.
That said, I expressed the concern and moved on...
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Keep it coming J! The more pics the better!
-AJ
That's the best advice in this whole thread: More pictures!
(either of the bike, or the frail, or both)
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I'm inspired to say the least!
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Not to sound like Lannis, but he did, defacto, by starting a conversation.
If you don't want to hear it, don't bring it up kinda thing.
That said, I expressed the concern and moved on...
Oi, you!
First of all, you could do a lot worse than "sound like Lannis". 8)
Second, I checked my responses on this thread and they are encouraging and informational. If someone hasn't tried full knobbies on city streets, you're doing them a favor to warn them .... :o
Lannis
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Oi, you!
First of all, you could do a lot worse than "sound like Lannis". 8)
Second, I checked my responses on this thread and they are encouraging and informational. If someone hasn't tried full knobbies on city streets, you're doing them a favor to warn them .... :o
Lannis
Quite true about the knobbies. Thankfully dual sports like the shinko 705s and Kenda K761 have great road manners. Anyhow, I'm sure she'd give a fellow Virginian a pass (she grew up in Charlottesville) ;-T
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I have been a member of many forums over the years and and been wrenching and learning even longer and I think I'm being diplomatic when I say that there is never a shortage of opinions... I joined this forum to see if I could glean some knowledge from the members and find a way to build the bike she wants while maintaining rideability. While not to everyone's personal aesthetic or audible tastes, I'm not building this for the forum (though I do enjoy sharing the progress). I do appreciate the technical advice and I've taken it to heart and sought out persons with the technical abilities and knowledge I lack.
OK, go for yer life. It's no skin off my nose. Just be aware that the MUIG-3 controller has a fail-safe 'Limp Home' mode that severely limits throttle input. If it detects what it thinks is a serious issue it will limit the machine to effectively little more than walking pace. If you care for your partner I would strongly suggest that you experiment extensively in all manner of temperatures and conditions in a SAFE environment prior to sending her out onto the streets of New York on a highly modified machine built with enthusiasm but little technical understanding. It is a simple safety issue.
All your changes may be fine and have absolutely no serious impact on the way it behaves. On the other hand they might cause a sudden, serious, problem that might have very dangerous consequences, especially for a novice rider. My input was given solely to try and help you understand the risks. It would be a shame if you or your young lady ended getting hurt simply because you made an avoidable mistake. I wish you all the best in your endeavour.
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OK, go for yer life. It's no skin off my nose. Just be aware that the MUIG-3 controller has a fail-safe 'Limp Home' mode that severely limits throttle input. If it detects what it thinks is a serious issue it will limit the machine to effectively little more than walking pace. If you care for your partner I would strongly suggest that you experiment extensively in all manner of temperatures and conditions in a SAFE environment prior to sending her out onto the streets of New York on a highly modified machine built with enthusiasm but little technical understanding. It is a simple safety issue.
All your changes may be fine and have absolutely no serious impact on the way it behaves. On the other hand they might cause a sudden, serious, problem that might have very dangerous consequences, especially for a novice rider. My input was given solely to try and help you understand the risks. It would be a shame if you or your young lady ended getting hurt simply because you made an avoidable mistake. I wish you all the best in your endeavour.
slip ons and a remap does not equal a highly modded machine. After extensive discussions with Todd at GuzziTech, he feels confident that he can create a map to work with those mufflers. If not, then I will not just throw caution to the wind and hope for the best. Instead, I'll consider more tried and trued slip ons or go back to stock. No stock mufflers were harmed in the removal process. Beyond the ECU Map and mufflers, it is a simple rebuild with slight cosmetic changes. No frame or suspension modifications have been made and the new tires are very close to the original rolling diameters.
I have the manual with the torque values and will be following it religiously on the rebuild. And yes, I'm going to put more than just a few shakedown miles on the bike and get it checked over by my mechanic prior to handing over the keys. I'm a 33yr old attorney specializing in product liability and a lifelong gearhead; having restored, rebuilt, and modified countless cars and bikes. Admittedly, I am not well versed in the MIU ECU, however, am gladly passing that along to a person much more qualified than myself. I'll be relying on mostly OEM Moto Guzzi replacement parts and fasteners and everything will be checked and rechecked and many miles put on before giving her the keys this spring.
Anyhow, back to the updates:
swung by Fedex/Kinkos on my way to grab some lunch and printed out the V.2 gauge face. Small changes but these should be a bit easier to assemble and end up clearer.
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2948/15284171437_c037916568_c.jpg)
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Good of you to share this build but sure beginning to feel for you...
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Good of you to share this build but sure beginning to feel for you...
tough crowd :-\
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tough crowd :-\
It's a dead simple machine with a brain. Get the brain wrapped around your more open exhaust and you'll have it. I wouldn't worry about the sky falling if Todd works on this with you.
Nice gauge look! ;-T
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tough crowd :-\
Nah. Involved, concerned, honest, enthusiastic, brand-defensive, opinionated, and sometimes crusty.
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Nice, guage look is just right.
John
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tough crowd :-\
Hope you keep posting updates. I really want to see how this project turns out. ;-T
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tough crowd :-\
I've never seen a more helpful crowd. Every issue I've come up with has been solved within 24 hours. Most within a few minutes. ;D
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I've never seen a more helpful crowd. Every issue I've come up with has been solved within 24 hours. Most within a few minutes. ;D
Even issues you never knew you had... ;) ;D
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Even issues you never knew you had... ;) ;D
true.. but experience is a tough taskmaster. It gives you the test first, then the lesson. ;D The hard won experience on this board has saved me several lessons.. ;) ;-T
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true.. but experience is a tough taskmaster. It gives you the test first, then the lesson. ;D The hard won experience on this board has saved me several lessons.. ;) ;-T
No argument, but FWIW I was just making a joke about unsolicited advice. :BEER: ;)
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V.2 gauge face came out much better. A little bleed through in the black but overall very happy with how it came out
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NICE!! ;-T
-AJ
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Gage face came out nice! It should look "right" on the bike. ;-T
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Forgive me if I missed this, but what was the source of that gauge?
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Forgive me if I missed this, but what was the source of that gauge?
Dan-moto.com
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Dan-moto.com
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Nice graphics on the gauge. Full marks. :bow
Many bikes out there (KTM comes to mind) that look great, but have a Mattel or Tonka looking dash and just ruins the look. Not unlike a classy looking gal opening up her mouth and a squeaky mouse voice comes out. :P You have a Lauren Bacall dash there.
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Loud motorcycles in NYC...sigh. It's actually quite a bit quieter than it was 15-20 years ago with the sound of scooter's being the norm. I shared a moto garage with Indian Larry and his bike was LOUD compared to what I'm sure is going to be J's slightly annoying V7. But then NYC has turned into suburbia so who knows.
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Loud motorcycles in NYC...sigh. It's actually quite a bit quieter than it was 15-20 years ago with the sound of scooter's being the norm. I shared a moto garage with Indian Larry and his bike was LOUD compared to what I'm sure is going to be J's slightly annoying V7. But then NYC has turned into suburbia so who knows.
I think this cat knows better than the peanut gallery what is going to work for noise levels in HIS neighborhood. Let's cut him a break now. He's heard it plenty and I'm NOT a loud pipes guy myself. To each their own. I'm enjoying his work and I think we have things to gain by it.
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I think this cat knows better than the peanut gallery what is going to work for noise levels in HIS neighborhood. Let's cut him a break now. He's heard it plenty and I'm NOT a loud pipes guy myself. To each their own. I'm enjoying his work and I think we have things to gain by it.
Well we WERE done discussing it.
But funny Cat ended his comment with:
But then NYC has turned into suburbia so who knows.
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I think this cat knows better than the peanut gallery what is going to work for noise levels in HIS neighborhood. Let's cut him a break now. He's heard it plenty and I'm NOT a loud pipes guy myself. To each their own. I'm enjoying his work and I think we have things to gain by it.
What I'm saying is that his bike will probably be just fine and having ridden in NYC for most of my life with bikes that were louder than norm, it is a good thing, especially if splitting lanes is your norm.
Anyway, certain neighborhood's have turned into large NYU dorms, so noise is not an issue.
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What I'm saying is that his bike will probably be just fine and having ridden in NYC for most of my life with bikes that were louder than norm, it is a good thing, especially if splitting lanes is your norm.
Anyway, certain neighborhood's have turned into large NYU dorms, so noise is not an issue.
Yes, noise will not be an issue and a louder (but not too obnoxious) bike helps in many urban riding situations. Might not make cabbies take notice as a few scrapes and bruises on my left side will attest to, but I can't tell you how many times a few revs will clear jaywalking pedestrians out of the way as they seem completely blind to motorcycles. Anyhow, back to the build...
Looking like rain later this week so tonight's plan is to get the bike up on the jack and get the wheels off so I can drop them off at my local shop to have the tires replaced. If the weather cooperates I'm hoping to get the ECU out and shipped to Todd with the mufflers and get started on an aluminum gauge bracket/dash cover
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I've always thought that if we depend on exhaust noise to alert traffic to our presence, the megaphones should point forward.
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I've always thought that if we depend on exhaust noise to alert traffic to our presence, the megaphones should point forward.
They just lowered the speed limit in NYC from 30mph to 25mph*, so a few little revs (quicker than hitting the horn) at that speed lets people know where you are located. For about five years the horn on my CX was broken (don't ask) so engine noise was my only horn.
*"a pedestrian hit at 30 mph has a one in five chance of being killed, but a collision at 25 mph decreases the pedestrian's odds of death to one in 10. At 25 mph, a motorist's stopping distance is improved by 45 feet."
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So I've taken delivery of the salvage 2014 Moto Guzzi V7 Stone I purchased at auction to build into a mild street scrambler style bike inspired by the Baak V7.
Inspiration:
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-aX1ieWVp_dA/Uz6VjWcjuQI/AAAAAAAADkM/BqH0Mm7yMZc/s1600/httpcaferacerspecial.blogspot.it+(5).jpg)
The V7 Tracker BAAK is listed for the equivalent of $ 15k (€ 11,799) in France.
What's your budget for the project?
If your girlfriend doesn't like it, you could probably turn a profit on it?
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The V7 Tracker BAAK is listed for the equivalent of $ 15k (€ 11,799) in France.
What's your budget for the project?
If your girlfriend doesn't like it, you could probably turn a profit on it?
Trying to stay within $5000-5500 but I think that might be a little ambitious given some of her recent choices concerning mirrors, paint, and upholstery. Even at a $6k budget, I think she could turn a slight profit to the right buyer without being too greedy should the bike not work out.
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I think I could turn a slight profit to the right buyer
I hate to burst your bubble, but with a salvage title, it won't happen. BTDT, never let it worry me. It's a good way to get a "new" motorcycle with about half the cost, though. Or less.. ;D
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I hate to burst your bubble, but with a salvage title, it won't happen. BTDT, never let it worry me. It's a good way to get a "new" motorcycle with about half the cost, though. Or less.. ;D
I've also been down the salvage title road before. It is a harder sell but hardly a deal breaker for many. It is just one of the reasons I'm documenting everything; including taking a lot of pictures of the damage, replacing the majority of damaged parts with OEM, etc. Rule of thumb is salvage vehicles are worth about 60-70% of a comparable clean title vehicle. With a custom bike, that line gets a little blurrier, but I don't think I'd be out of line expecting to sell for 6-6.5k come springtime for a finished bike should it come to that. The bike market here is a funny and expensive one. I've had unsolicited offers over $6k on my 2001 Triumph with 22k miles on it (less than $4500 into it) and a year ago sold another 2004 Bonneville modified in a cafe style for $6250 ($5k all in on bike and mods + 2 years/6k miles of ownership). Considering the previous discussion of neighbors hating me, I actually sold that one to a neighbor down the block who approached me while I parking it after a ride. Older guy who finally got the OK on a bike from his wife and had admired mine when he walked past every morning... and still gives me big hellos and talks bikes whenever I run into him.
But nevertheless, I agree with you on not letting it worry me. I only considered potential resale when setting the budget and trying to keep the s/o within it. But really, I'm just enjoying the build and, more importantly, the look on her face as I get her involved, and you can't put a resale price on that.
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But really, I'm just enjoying the build and, more importantly, the look on her face as I get her involved, and you can't put a resale price on that.
That's the key right there! Profits can come in many forms, not just money.
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I've always thought that if we depend on exhaust noise to alert traffic to our presence, the megaphones should point forward.
Hyuk. But seriously, sound waves issue in all directions from a motorcycle...
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If you're looking to repair and paint the tank, I know a Guzzi guy in upstate NY that does a great job for a reasonable price. PM me if interested and I'll give you his info.
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A small teaser of things to come
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Leather seat and patch... nice touch.
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A small teaser of things to come
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3937/15305133799_0b533b5c53_c.jpg)
God I love cool motorcycle stuff! Keep it coming! :BEER:
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Looks like the distressed leather she offers? I like it!
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Looks like the distressed leather she offers? I like it!
actually it's distressed bison hide we sourced from a tannery out west. Gf wanted a specific look so it was easiest to seek out a hide ourselves. Meeting with Corinna Mon or Tues with the hide and stock seat to hammer out the design details.
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That's right, you mentioned the bison earlier. It's very cool looking. Keep us informed. Are you changing much with the stock seat or doing a variation on a theme?
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I love your style so far. Very cool goose. Can't wait to see the before and after.
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That's right, you mentioned the bison earlier. It's very cool looking. Keep us informed. Are you changing much with the stock seat or doing a variation on a theme?
sticking with the stock style seat with slightly more pronounced horizontal pleats and, hopefully, a slight slimming of the side profile.
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sticking with the stock style seat with slightly more pronounced horizontal pleats and, hopefully, a slight slimming of the side profile.
Ah, like the cross-pleats myself. The lighter color will make things look bigger so smart on possible thinness as well.
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A question about the gage face. Apparently you drew up the design on a computer at home and I saw a reference to printing at Kinkos. What material is the gage face printed on?
This build has been very pleasurable to follow.
Thanks in advance,
Dick
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Haven't done a whole lot recently as was waiting on parts. Todd is working on the ecu, Corinna was working on the seat, and waiting for stock replacement parts to come in from harpers. After heading out to the Moto Borgotaro bbq yesterday and seeing a few beautiful custom guzzis, I was ancy to make some progress on the bike so I was extremely happy to hear that the seat was finished. Came out incredible. I would not hesitate to recommend Corinna. I've had quite a few custom seats but this is by far my favorite. Pictures can't convey the quality of her work.
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And a crappy dark pic on the bike. Isn't latched in so don't mind the gaps.
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As far as the gauge face, it's a 2 part face. A transparency glued to an image printed on regular printer paper then trimmed.
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That seat looks fantastic.
Keep it up!
-Joe
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how much more of that leather do you have? ;) ;-T
-Kevin
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Keeping a close eye on this thread!
If you don't mind disclosing, how much did the seat job cost from Corinna?
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Have enough leather left over for a few small projects. Leather tool pouch perhaps??
Seat costs:
Leather hide:~ $100
Upholstery cost: $320
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(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3935/15015840534_af404bce63_c.jpg)
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And a crappy dark pic on the bike. Isn't latched in so don't mind the gaps.
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3933/15450468178_d2e8d87dc0_c.jpg)
Very nice! ;-T
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The seat is very nice. Good job.
Pete
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WOW ;D
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Outstanding seat! Matching too roll is a great idea.
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OK now, been over a week since last report. Surely some progress?
Bump for us guys enjoying your build! ;-T
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Just looking at that seat, I know I can't afford it ;D
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OK now, been over a week since last report. Surely some progress?
Bump for us guys enjoying your build! ;-T
Quit calling him Shirley.. ;D
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Even issues you never knew you had... ;) ;D
Chuck has issues? I thought the family wasn't going to publicize those...... ~;
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tough crowd :-\
1000x ;-T ;-T
Oh yea……the less said the better
For the record, thanks for sharing the build. You are a talented guy, more so considering the constraints of working in an urban environment without a dedicated work space. Love the Rizoma mirrors, anything to keep the gal smiling ;)
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That is going to be a great looking bike. Bravo!
Gersh
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Bike is for sale in NJ now
https://newyork.craigslist.org/jsy/mcy/5782662974.html
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Bike is for sale in NJ now
https://newyork.craigslist.org/jsy/mcy/5782662974.html
$11,000.00 , good luck with that there Simply J :shocked:
Dusty
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Yeah, I mean nicely done, wow
But that's a lot of money for a salvage title.
Still, in the eyes of the right buyer. Good luck!
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$11,000.00 , good luck with that there Simply J :shocked:
Dusty
Guess they broke up and he's trying to recover the cost of the relationship too. :boozing:
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Yeah, I mean nicely done, wow
But that's a lot of money for a salvage title.
Still, in the eyes of the right buyer. Good luck!
Don't believe he will find "the right buyer :rolleyes:
Guess they broke up and he's trying to recover the cost of the relationship too. :boozing:
I also had that thought , wonder what the little cutie is doing now :laugh:
Dusty
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Rear wheel drive too. Wow! No wonder it's expensive.......
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200 miles, really? poor GF must not have liked to ride much..