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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Tony/CT on December 07, 2014, 09:58:46 AM
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In the latest editon of the MGNOC! I like it. I like the color combination and retro styling. It would be nice if a nice looking set of aftermarket bags were offered and a backrest for a passenger. I bet the Vintage bags would look nice on it! I still don't think I could part with the white Calvin however!
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I looked at the Eldorado and the Audace the other night and of course I would really like a mash up of the 2 bikes. Mostly I think the Eldorado should have received the classic round headlight like the Audace has. For me I would like the Eldorado with Audace wheels foot pegs and headlight or the Audace with the Eldorado fenders. I need not worry because both are way out of my price range but If I could have my choice that is how I would like one set up.
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I was all set to buy a 1400 touring but will wait now to see the El Dorado, these bikes fit me like a glove.
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There are some shots of a red one here somewhere with leather bags and a passenger backrest. I agree, the retro Eldo should have the round headlight. They already gave it a different rear fender and round tail light.
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In the latest editon of the MGNOC! I like it. I like the color combination and retro styling. It would be nice if a nice looking set of aftermarket bags were offered and a backrest for a passenger. I bet the Vintage bags would look nice on it! I still don't think I could part with the white Calvin however!
here you go, factory- not after market + windshield, trunk and tank bag.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urVKsMlXpIg
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Thanks for video. I just noticed how low the rear turn signals are... Is that normal for cruisers? And I agree with an earlier post that something similar to some classic Wixom bags would look good on there. Certainly better than faux leather, IMO. Otherwise, nice bike... but they were obviously confused when it came to the fender color. They are supposed to be white with pinstripes, just like my '73 eldorado. ;-D
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Yes...I agree.. the headlight should be round, more vintage looking. I don't really like the leather bags. Still think the Cal. Vintage bags would look nice on the bike.
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I have to say that my first impression of this Eldo was...well it gave me a woody, first time I've had one for a new bike in years. (beer may be talking) But the leather is just gaudy to me. I've actually put it on my desktop as a goal to reach for. I like the wheels, whitewalls, seat, all the design cues from the old bird.
Dave
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It is sharp for sure. I think the fenders and rear light are a huge improvement over what is offered on the other models. Still at the price difference between a new Griso and an Eldorado I would have to buy a Griso if I were new bike shopping. I know other Brands performance cruisers are in the same price range as the 1400 I just think the Griso is a very good deal for what you get in a new bike.
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Well know one thing I'm liking that cooler cover........... any info on shipment dates.
Cheers.
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Not as nice as the real thing of course but not bad... Do something about the Headlight and dump the white walls..
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I don't know about the big headlamp. Maybe it's not so bad. I bet it puts out a lot of light. I'm kinda liking it.
The bike is not a replica of the old Eldorado. The semi-funky tank cutouts for the jugs is testament to that. The new headlamp sort carries through with that funk. Hey, they've probably bought a room full of them so they've gotta use them for a while.
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There are some shots of a red one here somewhere with leather bags and a passenger backrest. I agree, the retro Eldo should have the round headlight. They already gave it a different rear fender and round tail light.
The EICMA thread:
http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=72200.0
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I looked at the Eldorado and the Audace the other night and of course I would really like a mash up of the 2 bikes. Mostly I think the Eldorado should have received the classic round headlight like the Audace has. For me I would like the Eldorado with Audace wheels foot pegs and headlight or the Audace with the Eldorado fenders.
That's exactly what I thought when I saw them!
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Anyone know when these bikes will be available to US dealers? I thought I read some where that deposits were being taken. Thanks
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have you heard what the price is going to be, or is it to early yet?
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???
Interesting, I want to know more
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I just asked my sales Rep the same question, of course he didn't know anything yet!
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apologies if already posted...
http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/showthread.php?305359-The-Eldorado-1400-coming-in-May
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Local buddy just started getting them at his dealership:
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gawd that is beautiful, but I could do with thinner or no white walls...
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Italian art! Just beautiful. I wonder who their target market is. Hope it's a game changer for MG. But of course with the thin dealer network that will never happen in the US.
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>>I wonder who their target market is
Maybe all the dentists and not-quite-rich lawyers that buy Harley Softail Deluxes will be tempted to cross-shop the new Eldorado?
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I wonder who their target market is.
I'm sure they'd like to snipe a few sales from customers who would be buyers for the Softail Deluxe, Road King Classic, and Chief Vintage.
(http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/motorcycles/2013models/2013-Harley-Davidson-FLSTN-SoftailDeluxe1-small.jpg)
In addition, the bike might also appeal to dedicated Guzzisti who have been clamoring for a new Eldo or Ambo over the past years. No, the loop frame won't be coming back, but this is a pretty good tribute...
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too bad we don't get red in the USA (this year), only black...
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too bad we don't get red in the USA (this year), only black...
I'm still trying to figure out the black fenders on the red bike. All the old bikes I've seen had either white or silver fenders.
Maybe it's just a cost cutting measure, like with the V7 line. Make all the fenders one color and only change the tank and side covers.
Who knows?
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Why does it look bigger than usual or is it just me?
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I'm still trying to figure out the black fenders on the red bike. All the old bikes I've seen had either white or silver fenders.
Maybe it's just a cost cutting measure, like with the V7 line. Make all the fenders one color and only change the tank and side covers.
Who knows?
I can forgive cost cutting measures on the $8k Stone... not so much on an $18k Eldo.
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Why does it look bigger than usual or is it just me?
I think it's the phat tyres, and the new fenders.
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I think it's the phat tyres, and the new fenders.
Aren't the tires on the Eldo smaller than on the other Cali 1400 variants?
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Aren't the tires on the Eldo smaller than on the other Cali 1400 variants?
Fat 16-inchers front and rear, if I recall correctly. I think they're adding visual weight.
New rear fender add some visual weight, as well.
Interesting, looking at the last photo from Aldo, the front wheel appears to have an angled air valve, so that would mean ALPINA wheels! And, that's a good thing!
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Looks fabulous. I love the traditional tail lights - hate the embedded ones on the other variants. I guess some folks will say this bike is going flash and attempting to steal sales - and maybe it is - but to me it's almost like a big middle finger to those bikes. You want flashy fancy pants? Here's your flashy fancy pants.
I follow Ewan on Instagram and he's been posting today and yesterday while, I guess, shooting a new ad for these MGs.
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With the chrome panels as eyes and the seat as a beak it looks like an angry duck. 8)
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None of these on the MG USA website.
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gawd that is beautiful, but I could do with thinner or no white walls...
:+1
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None of these on the MG USA website.
They're due here in May, so www.motoguzzi-us.com website will be promptly updated in late June.
;)
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too bad we don't get red in the USA (this year), only black...
(http://g3.img-dpreview.com/A098FA5A8B95425781D5BED25C918195.jpg)
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Fat 16-inchers front and rear, if I recall correctly. I think they're adding visual weight.
But the actual rear tire is THINNER than the Cali 1400 C and T which also has a 16" rear wheel?:
Cali 1400 Touring
Front tire 130/70 R 18”
Rear tire 200/60 R 16”
Cali 1400 Eldo
Front tire 130/90 R 16”
Rear tire 180/65 R 16”
Audace:
Front Tire - couldn't find a spec, presume same as C and T
Rear Tire 200/65 R 17"
Or are you saying that up front the additional sidewall of the 130/90 on the Eldo looks "bigger" than the 130/70 on the C and T?
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Chrome the fenders and replace the white walls with black walls.
Dean
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None of these on the MG USA website.
Nor the Italy website either...
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Yeah. I'm meaning the taller sidewalls, along with the new fenders, changes the look a little bit.
I kind of like it, myself, but then the 130 front is a classic size for big bikes.
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Yeah. I'm meaning the taller sidewalls, along with the new fenders, changes the look a little bit.
I kind of like it, myself, but then the 130 front is a classic size for big bikes.
Especially in a 16.
Yeah, I don't have a problem with the front, it's the gawdawful 200 rear that I don't like, at least the Eldo is "down" to a 180, but that's still big in my book.
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Are the Eldorado handlebars the same as on the current Touring? They certainly aren't what's on my Custom... or is this yet a third variant?
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(http://g3.img-dpreview.com/A098FA5A8B95425781D5BED25C918195.jpg)
I'd ride it.
That's a really nice looking motorcycle!
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I'd ride it.
That's a really nice looking motorcycle!
:+1
:drool
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(http://g3.img-dpreview.com/A098FA5A8B95425781D5BED25C918195.jpg)
It would make a great "bookend" in my garage ;-T
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f82/juturtle/amb.jpg) (http://s45.photobucket.com/user/juturtle/media/amb.jpg.html)
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Love it! I'd like the red bike better if it had white fenders and I could do without the whitewalls.
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My 2014 Cali 1400 Custom has the angled valve stems...
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Absolutely stunning! If I weren't approaching the end my riding career, I'd order one now.
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Is the new Eldorado really 250 pounds lighter than a 1400 Custom? That's hard to believe. :BEER:
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Right off of Moto Guzzi`s Website. It says 401lbs for the New Eldo ??? http://www.motoguzzi-us.com/
(http://s26.postimg.org/ag1adttcp/Screen_Shot_2015_05_09_at_6_17_02_AM.jpg)
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Where in the wide world of sports did you read that figure ???
Dusty
On the USA Moto Guzzi website under Specifications. :BEER:
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No way in hell. That's V7 territory.
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Kilograms maybe ;D
Dusty
That would make it a lot heavier than the Custom! :BEER:
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No way in hell. That's V7 territory.
Maybe 400 lbs is the maximum weight for the RIDER ~;
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obviously a typo. not uncommon on guzzi literature over the years. The rear tire and rear fender are smaller, but the rear fender was plastic to begin with so not much to save. The Eldo rims look steel, I doubt they are lighter then the original touring/custom wheels. In other words, it will probably weigh what the Custom does, around 680# +-
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Typo.
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I posted this earlier in the week on another thread (rode the red bike).
http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=76285.msg1200326#msg1200326
I see the Eldo is on the MG USA website. And the spec says: Dry weight 401 lbs (182 kg) (I am sure that's a misprint)
Anyway, they're on their way for delivery.
http://www.motoguzzi-us.com/motorcycles/eldorado.html
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It's obviously a misprint since the bike is based on the 1400 Custom.
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New light weight unobtaitium materials and using light weight oils.... :BEER:
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Is the new Eldorado really 250 pounds lighter than a 1400 Custom? That's hard to believe. :BEER:
The 2015 Brochure says the Eldorado is 692 lbs dry, 743 lbs for the Touring. Pigs!
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Typo.
No. Say it ain't so.. A Guzzi spec that has nothing to do with reality?? ;D
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lmfao...somebody is gonna be surprised!
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New light weight unobtaitium materials and using light weight oils.... :BEER:
Did somebody say oil? Noooooooooooooo!!!!!!!
:pop
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Did somebody say oil? Noooooooooooooo!!!!!!!
:pop
maybe they meant kgs and the wrote lbs ?
400 kg seems right .
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Perhaps they just placed a bathroom scale under the side stand ?
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the new eldo does have aluminum tubeless spoked wheels. that is a plus...
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maybe they meant kgs and the wrote lbs ?
400 kg seems right .
As I mentioned earlier, the 2015 Brochure has the Eldorado at 692 lbs, the Touring model at 743 lbs
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In an effort to gain a competitive advantage, the tires are being filled with Helium.
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Most of you have probably seen this, but if not, MG sent this out yesterday on the Eldorado and the catalog
http://www.motoguzzi-us.com/motorcycles/eldorado.html (http://www.motoguzzi-us.com/motorcycles/eldorado.html)
http://www.motoguzzi-us.com/public/upload/brochure/mg_range_my15.pdf (http://www.motoguzzi-us.com/public/upload/brochure/mg_range_my15.pdf)
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Yeah, according to that, Guzzi is only importing the black version to the US for now.
At the recent Guzzi get-together here most folks really liked the new Eldo. We were not shown a red one but those familiar with it thought that was the most attractive version.
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I saw the red, and it would be my choice.
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Most of you have probably seen this, but if not, MG sent this out yesterday on the Eldorado and the catalog
http://www.motoguzzi-us.com/motorcycles/eldorado.html (http://www.motoguzzi-us.com/motorcycles/eldorado.html)
http://www.motoguzzi-us.com/public/upload/brochure/mg_range_my15.pdf (http://www.motoguzzi-us.com/public/upload/brochure/mg_range_my15.pdf)
Thanks for posting that!
So I started digging through the specs.
Judging from the weight numbers they provide for the Touring and Custom, it looks like they are giving wet weights on the Calis (though I see from the footnote it's without fuel, still that's all fluids and battery, close enough for these specs).
If that's true WOW, I'm going to have to take a closer look at the Eldo and Audace.
The Eldo is listed with a weight of only 692#! I know that sounds like a lot to some of you sport guys, but in a category of bike that most of the players are between 700-850# that's really not that bad... actually that's pretty impressive.
The Eldo is down to less than 100# difference between a Cal-Vin and it!
And the Audace HOLY CRAP, if that number is real - 637# puts it just 21# over a Cal-Vin, and probably less than 50# over my Sportster... only 75# more than my old B11, only 89# more than Griso 1200 8V!
Looking at another metric - hp/weight ratios (calculated with RWHP and Wet Weights as best as I can find) here are some comparisons to put that all in perspective:
Griso 8V (and my old Buell) 5.76 lbs/hp
Indian Scout 6.01 lbs/hp
Griso 1100 (2V motor) 7.33 lbs/hp
Breva 1100 (FBF Dyno) 7.50 lbs/hp
Audace 7.58 lbs/hp
Eldorado 8.24 lbs/hp
Cali 1400C 8.35 lbs/hp
Cali Black Eagle 8.66 lbs/hp
My Sportster (Stage I) 8.86 lbs/hp
Cali 1400T 8.96 lbs/hp
Victory Judge 8.97 lbs/hp
Cal-Vin 9.06 lbs/hp
Jackal 9.08 lbs/hp
Indian Dark Horse 10.33 lbs/hp
Harley RK 10.57 lbs/hp
Indian Classic 10.68 lbs/hp
Harley Fat Bob 10.70 lbs/hp
Indian Vintage 11.13 lbs/hp
Indian Chieftain 11.31 lbs/hp
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You got up early this morning, eh Kev?
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You got up early this morning, eh Kev?
LOL, well, Seamus gets up by 6:00 am no matter what... actually yesterday he woke me up a 4:00, but luckily I got him to go back to sleep... and so did I, for a bit. :boozing:
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The Eldo is listed with a weight of only 692#! I know that sounds like a lot to some of you sport guys, but in a category of bike that most of the players are between 700-850# that's really not that bad... actually that's pretty impressive.
The Eldo is down to less than 100# difference between a Cal-Vin and it!
And the Audace HOLY CRAP, if that number is real - 637# puts it just 21# over a Cal-Vin, and probably less than 50# over my Sportster... only 75# more than my old B11, only 89# more than Griso 1200 8V!
692-637=55
Where in the world did they find 55-lbs to remove from the Eldo to lighten up the Audace ?
I'm sure the fenders are plastic, so not much savings there. Not much weight in the fork shrouds, either.
And, I'd wager that the Eldo's 16-inch aluminum spoked wheels are lighter than the monster cast wheels of the Audace...
Hmmm...
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Too bad about the Red version. That would be my choice. Anyone know if the Suspension will be the same as the 1400 or Custom or different from either?
Pete
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Too bad about the Red version. That would be my choice. Anyone know if the Suspension will be the same as the 1400 or Custom or different from either?
Pete
Rear shocks on the Eldo are shrouded. So, they appear different from both the Custom and Touring.
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I posted a good review on the two bikes yesterday, I will find that link and post it here.
http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/moto-guzzi/2016-moto-guzzi-audace-first-ride-review.html (http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/moto-guzzi/2016-moto-guzzi-audace-first-ride-review.html)
In that review, he did mention following the Eldorado and watching the rear fender flex when hitting bumps, so must be plastic.
The shocks on the Audace are longer than the shrouded ones on the Eldorado and feel better to the reviewer.
The exhaust on Audace is much shorter (should be lighter) and the wheels are cast, probably lighter than the spokes on the Eldorado. But, the big 200mm rear tire (on Audace) might offset that. I believe the front fender on Audace is carbon fibre.
Just for kicks on the weight/ HP, my bike:
507lbs and 150HP
3.38 lbs/ HP
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692-637=55
Where in the world did they find 55-lbs to remove from the Eldo to lighten up the Audace ?
I'm sure the fenders are plastic, so not much savings there. Not much weight in the fork shrouds, either.
And, I'd wager that the Eldo's 16-inch aluminum spoked wheels are lighter than the monster cast wheels of the Audace...
Hmmm...
(http://www.cycleworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/MOTO-GUZZI-ELDORADO-AND-AUDACE-590x393.jpg)
Well, let's go through the list of differences:
Fenders and tail-lights are different - are you sure the Eldo rear fender is plastic?
Different wheels and tires - again, are you sure which is heavier? Those cast wheels are "spoked"?
Different shocks
Different seats
Eldo has chrome rail behind the passenger section that Audace does not
Eldo has fork covers and what not
Eldo has a different headlight
Eldo has floorboards instead of pegs on the Audace
Is a chrome exhaust heavier than a black coated one?
It could add up...
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I posted a good review on the two bikes yesterday, I will find that link and post it here.
http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/moto-guzzi/2016-moto-guzzi-audace-first-ride-review.html (http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/moto-guzzi/2016-moto-guzzi-audace-first-ride-review.html)
In that review, he did mention following the Eldorado and watching the rear fender flex when hitting bumps, so must be plastic.
The shocks on the Audace are longer than the shrouded ones on the Eldorado and feel better to the reviewer.
The exhaust on Audace is much shorter (should be lighter) and the wheels are cast, probably lighter than the spokes on the Eldorado. But, the big 200mm rear tire (on Audace) might offset that. I believe the front fender on Audace is carbon fibre.
Just for kicks on the weight/ HP, my bike:
507lbs and 150HP
3.38 lbs/ HP
Thanks for the additional info on the two.
And btw :shocked:
WOW, 507 wet and 150 hp AT THE REAR WHEEL????? FOR REAL?
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From the review:
Every component on the Eldorado appears carefully crafted with a premium look and feel in mind � save one. Unfortunately, the plastic rear fender, which looks so sultry at a stop, betrays its lack of metal construction in the form of fender flex when riding over bumpy roads.
http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/moto-guzzi/2016-moto-guzzi-eldorado-first-ride-review.html (http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/moto-guzzi/2016-moto-guzzi-eldorado-first-ride-review.html)
P.S. 150HP, at the crank I'm sure, still a bunch! Without the electronics you would be reading about many of these bikes in the ditch I'm sure! Great fun tho.
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I'll bet the monster rear wheel on the Custom / Audace weighs 30-lbs!!! (well, maybe not that much, but it's a chunk!) I doubt they're forged, the rims are wide, and there are lots of thick spokes.
On the other hand, the Eldo's wheels have spun aluminum rims, and they're a smaller width and diameter... Still not light, but my money says they're five to ten pounds lighter than the cast ones of the Custom/Audace...
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Also the Audace has Euro 4 air injection, and that unit is an add to weight.
The drag bars might be lighter than the Eldorado. Simple headlight compared to Eldorado with two big heat sinks for the LEDs probably lighter also. Audace has smaller seat.
I would think the biggest weight savings is in the shorter exhaust tho.
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From the review:
Every component on the Eldorado appears carefully crafted with a premium look and feel in mind � save one. Unfortunately, the plastic rear fender, which looks so sultry at a stop, betrays its lack of metal construction in the form of fender flex when riding over bumpy roads.
http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/moto-guzzi/2016-moto-guzzi-eldorado-first-ride-review.html (http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/moto-guzzi/2016-moto-guzzi-eldorado-first-ride-review.html)
P.S. 150HP, at the crank I'm sure, still a bunch! Without the electronics you would be reading about many of these bikes in the ditch I'm sure! Great fun tho.
That report on the rear fender is a real disappointment. NO BS that fender was probably THE one aesthetic component that put me over the edge and put the Cali back into consideration for me. If it shakes like my V7 fender, that might be enough to disqualify it again.
But maybe someone will make an aluminum aftermarket one?
And what bike are we talking about a Triumph Tiger 1200 Explorer ???
MCN put a 2012 @ 589# wet, 114 rwhp - so 5.17 lbs/hp on my previous list just edging out the top spot from the Griso 8V and my old Buell.
MCN (and various sources) give me 11.32 seconds in the 1/4 mile vs. 11.51 for the Griso and 11.90 for my old Buell... all of which sounds about right.
Albeit slightly less impressive than that first cast off of only 3 #/hp.
EDIT - never mind - just saw your signature - you're talking the KTM - I don't think I have data on that... off to look for some.
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That was quick:
http://www.ridermagazine.com/road-tests/2014-ktm-1190-adventure-road-test.htm/
131 hp
552 wet
4.2 #/hp - still pretty impressive.
http://www.cycleworld.com/2014/01/15/ktm-1190-adventure-road-test-review-photos-specifications/
10.68 1/4 mile .... phew... too fast for me. :boozing:
They ONLY :laugh: got 129 hp.
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I'm curious, how does one see his rear fender flex when riding over bumpy roads?
Do you have to turn your head around has your passing over road irregularities and look backwards at the fender, or do you have a friend ride along with you?
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I'm curious, how does one see his rear fender flex when riding over bumpy roads?
Do you have to turn your head around has your passing over road irregularities and look backwards at the fender, or do you have a friend ride along with you?
I'm going to assume you are trying to make the statement not to care about it because you can't see it from the rider's perch, yes?
That's kinda the same argument for not caring if you somehow get a poo stain on the backside of your pants or maybe walk out of the head with toilet paper stuck to your butt... why should YOU CARE, if YOU CAN'T SEE IT?
Personally, I'd care about the Eldo rear fender, or the poo/TP... :whip2:
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I'm going to assume you are trying to make the statement not to care about it because you can't see it from the rider's perch, yes?
I think he's wondering how the tester noticed the fender flex while he was riding.
My guess is there were multiple bikes in the test, so the writer noticed the flex on another bike.
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I think he's wondering how the tester noticed the fender flex while he was riding.
My guess is there were multiple bikes in the test, so the writer noticed the flex on another bike.
There are often multiple bikes, testers, photographers etc.
I didn't think he was asking such an obvious question... :boxing:
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That report on the rear fender is a real disappointment. NO BS that fender was probably THE one aesthetic component that put me over the edge and put the Cali back into consideration for me. If it shakes like my V7 fender, that might be enough to disqualify it again.
But maybe someone will make an aluminum aftermarket one?
You'd think a "premium cruiser" would have metal fenders from the factory. I know it's much cheaper to have Acerbis crank out plastic ones, but the market niche where this bike will live won't really accept the plastic. It's a major sticking point with typical cruiser buyers, and one I'm surprised Galluzzi and his design team missed...
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You'd think a "premium cruiser" would have metal fenders from the factory. I know it's much cheaper to have Acerbis crank out plastic ones, but the market niche where this bike will live won't really accept the plastic. It's a major sticking point with typical cruiser buyers, and one I'm surprised Galluzzi and his design team missed...
YUP YUP YUP - I can overlook it on the V7 for size/weight/cost.
But even so I've wondered if I could make one of the accessory/aftermarket Aluminum rear fenders work for mine - unfortunately they're usually more of a fender eliminator and probably wouldn't work with HB racks...no cleanly at least.
Still $8k - ok
$18k - NO WAY
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On the other hand, when I'm wrestling my big mofo California Custom around the garage, I appreciate that they saved a few pounds using the plastic.
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On the other hand, when I'm wrestling my big mofo California Custom around the garage, I appreciate that they saved a few pounds using the plastic.
Personally I could probably forgive it, if it at least was stout enough that the fender and tail-light didn't blur at idle (like it does on the V7).
And heck, after experiencing some rust problems on my Jackal I put a fiberglass front fender on and a new rear fender from a Sportster, but I seriously treated that thing to LAYERS of rubber undercoat. So I get using alternate materials.
In the cruiser market they'll be hard pressed to get people to overlook that detail. Probably will hurt sales some.
But it all comes down to perceptions of quality, durability, structure.
Harleys FEEL heavy, the grips, the bars, the clutch etc. and that's ON PURPOSE.
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On the other hand, when I'm wrestling my big mofo California Custom around the garage, I appreciate that they saved a few pounds using the plastic.
I'm kind of Olde Skool and would prefer my fuel tanks and fenders be metal.
The savings of a couple pounds would not be noticeable to the rider. The only reasons plastic is used are cheaper price and easier to accommodate low volume production.
But, if you're charging $16,000 for a motorcycle whose direct competitors are all steel, you're going to be at a serious disadvantage when the prospective buyers instinctively lean forward and tap the fender with their finger nail to listen for the familiar and satisfying metallic clinking.
Guzzi had it right with the Tonti California fenders. They were nice pieces, with nice shapes that recalled earlier machines. The Eldo 14 fenders don't have historic Guzzi lines, and the plastic construction is a huge mis-step by Galluzzi, showing that he doesn't really understand the market segment.
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The new Eldo is a nice looking bike and I wouldn't mind having one. And maybe I will someday. I could care less about the plastic fenders. The plastic fenders may not woo the HD guys from their "heavy" mounts, but I doubt if it would even if they were metal. I am sure there are a lot of prospective buyers out there, either from metric cruisers or new to cruisers that don't care about metal fenders.
And by the way, for a group of guys, many which tend to change details (seats, bags, windscreens, risers, handlebars, lights, etc ad nauseum) of the stock bike anyway...
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This Eldo is starting to look more and more interesting to me. At first I was turned off by the spokes, but the whole package actually looks to be superior to the other models. You get 10mm more rear suspension travel, looks like the seat might be a little comfier than the custom at least, has a slightly narrower and taller rear tire, and a taller front, which leads me to believe this model will deliver a smootheer/plushier ride than the other Cali14s, and should still remain nimble.
Anyone rode one yet?
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I'm curious, how does one see his rear fender flex when riding over bumpy roads?
Do you have to turn your head around has your passing over road irregularities and look backwards at the fender, or do you have a friend ride along with you?
I was quoting the tester, he was in a group with the new MGs for release, he was watching the Eldorado ahead of him while he was riding the Audace.
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That was quick:
http://www.ridermagazine.com/road-tests/2014-ktm-1190-adventure-road-test.htm/
131 hp
552 wet
4.2 #/hp - still pretty impressive.
http://www.cycleworld.com/2014/01/15/ktm-1190-adventure-road-test-review-photos-specifications/
10.68 1/4 mile .... phew... too fast for me. :boozing:
They ONLY :laugh: got 129 hp.
I think the weight savings is mostly from using Chromoly tubing instead of steel. It is stiffer and you can use thinner tubing to get the same strength as mild steel. Wish more bikes would use chromoly. I love welding it with tig, but I have special rods (and they are not chromoly like most people would think you need).
The bike wet is much lighter than their quote, they weighed as tested which included panniers. My Gobis off, but with Hepco and Becker racks, I'm still less than 515lbs and I have a OEM bashplate.
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On the plastic fenders, if the flex is really bad, one could lay in some plastic (abs) rods or tubing on the inside with epoxy to stiffen.
Or, remove the taillight and replace with a custom LED behind the seat. But then you would need to cover the holes in the fender or cut at that point.
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Personally I could probably forgive it, if it at least was stout enough that the fender and tail-light didn't blur at idle (like it does on the V7).
And heck, after experiencing some rust problems on my Jackal I put a fiberglass front fender on and a new rear fender from a Sportster, but I seriously treated that thing to LAYERS of rubber undercoat. So I get using alternate materials.
In the cruiser market they'll be hard pressed to get people to overlook that detail. Probably will hurt sales some.
But it all comes down to perceptions of quality, durability, structure.
Harleys FEEL heavy, the grips, the bars, the clutch etc. and that's ON PURPOSE.
Kev, your old rusty fender is still hanging in there on my bike. A good stripping, primer and paint job gave it a new life.
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I'm starting to feel better about the 200mm tire on the rear of the Audace. I checked the tables and they show that a 180/70/16 will fit a 6" wide 16" wheel. Comparing the two tires as to diameter per the Dunlop D251F that comes on the Audace. It would be better if they had put a 5.5" wide wheel like the Eldorado has.
200/60/16 Dunlop D251F = 25.4"
180/70/16 Dunlop D251F = 25.9" So, 1/2" bigger diameter, and 1/4" taller (better for cornering taller and rounder profile)
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On the plastic fenders, if the flex is really bad, one could lay in some plastic (abs) rods or tubing on the inside with epoxy to stiffen.
Good suggestion and if my V7 fender ever bugs me enough maybe I'll try it. But I just couldn't see buying a new $16k bike and having to do that... it would piss me off.
Kev, your old rusty fender is still hanging in there on my bike. A good stripping, primer and paint job gave it a new life.
:thumb: :thumb: :thumb: Glad to hear it's hanging in there so to speak. That bike lives on in multiple other bikes even though it was wrecked.
I'm starting to feel better about the 200mm tire on the rear of the Audace. I checked the tables and they show that a 180/70/16 will fit a 6" wide 16" wheel. Comparing the two tires as to diameter per the Dunlop D251F that comes on the Audace. It would be better if they had put a 5.5" wide wheel like the Eldorado has.
200/60/16 Dunlop D251F = 25.4"
180/70/16 Dunlop D251F = 25.9" So, 1/2" bigger diameter, and 1/4" taller (better for cornering taller and rounder profile)
Well, I still think a 180 is rather wide too...but that is making me feel better about it. Hmmm damnit, I want the Audace, with a METAL rear fender and tail-light set-up like the Eldo!
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On the plastic fenders, if the flex is really bad, one could lay in some plastic (abs) rods or tubing on the inside with epoxy to stiffen.
Or, remove the taillight and replace with a custom LED behind the seat. But then you would need to cover the holes in the fender or cut at that point.
Or perhaps this will turn out to be much ado about nothing. We have just expended considerable time bantering back and fro over the claimed flex in the rear fender, of a bike none of us has yet experienced, yet alone turned around backwards to observe the fender in flight, (that one is just for Kev :wink:). Or maybe it will turn out to be a real "shaker" fender, and in need of help, hope we soon find out.
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I understand on the having to mod a new bike, but I usually end up modding something on all of them, less the older I get seems.
I want the Eldorado's headlight but I'm starting to like the Audace, wish we would get the red tho. Dang, there is always something. When I bought the KTM, only 2 colors, I wanted the orange, but SO said NO, so we have gray! No on color is much better than no on bike.
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Or perhaps this will turn out to be much ado about nothing. We have just expended considerable time bantering back and fro over the claimed flex in the rear fender, of a bike none of us has yet experienced, yet alone turned around backwards to observe the fender in flight, (that one is just for Kev :wink:). Or maybe it will turn out to be a real "shaker" fender, and in need of help, hope we soon find out.
The rider never sees it, but when you stop, the guys always like to point out, hey, did you know your panniers are flying up and out every bump? This was on my Tiger 1050, the panniers would float out and up.
The dirt bikes are usually the ones with floppy fenders. I followed a California 1400 touring at swampscooters 2 years ago on a bumpy 2 lane, don't remember his fenders flexing. But, the Eldorado has a big traditional taillight not LEDs embedded in the fender. Like you say probably much ado about nothing in the end.
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Kev, where did you find the weights on the two, I can't find a spec on weight anywhere.
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Kev, where did you find the weights on the two, I can't find a spec on weight anywhere.
Full line brochure PDF link earlier in this thread.
Most of you have probably seen this, but if not, MG sent this out yesterday on the Eldorado and the catalog
http://www.motoguzzi-us.com/motorcycles/eldorado.html (http://www.motoguzzi-us.com/motorcycles/eldorado.html)
http://www.motoguzzi-us.com/public/upload/brochure/mg_range_my15.pdf (http://www.motoguzzi-us.com/public/upload/brochure/mg_range_my15.pdf)
Chad, yes, no one here knows for certain how bad it will flex, but I know how the V7 does and a reviewer just commented on it, so it certainly seems like a fair topic of speculation and conversation. No big deal really.
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^^^^ I have searched those two links. Will look again.
Found it, second link down at bottom, thanks.