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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: rodekyll on February 24, 2015, 11:53:23 AM
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Pot became legal this morning in Alaska. Despite the predictions of the hell-in-a-Hannity crowd, the state so far has not descended into anarchy and mayhem. Schools and stores opened as usual. Rain fell. Cars remained on the proper side of the street, and no busses or submarines have crashed into houses, airplanes or trains. The emergency room is empty, and nary a siren has been heard (except the daily tsunami test). The only bad thing that has happened is Wasilla made baking pot brownies illegal. That's because Sarah Palin lives there and she can't be trusted with either sharp or hot objects, being neither sharp or hot herself. If you didn't know things have changed, you wouldn't be able to tell. I hope when your state goes legit it's as unnotable as this.
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I think she used to be hot, but perhaps that's one of the things that's changed
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I have nothing good to say about that
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Yeah, been a non issue in Washington too. Biggest problem is they have taxed it so heavy that many if not most of the old users are still buying on the secondary market.
Many of the rest of us are too cheap (Guzzi content) to pay what the legal shops are charging even if we wanted to try.
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Now now RK - You need to delete your own thread. Remember, no political content!
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No, it's not political.
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Just for reference, in NC, possession of 1/2 ounce or less is a misdemeanor, and is punishable with a maximum fine of $200. That's about as close to legal as it gets without being legal. Possession doesn't become a felony here until 1.5 ounces.
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Neither sharp nor hot-- snort chuckle.
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Wild in the Streets!
Runnin
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Wild in the Streets!
Runnin
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No, it's not political.
Of course it's not political. "Hannity". "Sarah Palin". "Legalized pot". How could any of that possibly be considered political, in the Wild Guzzi context?
Lannis
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You can buy ounces grower-direct for $250 here in Montana while the legal stuff in WA is damn near $200 a 1/4 ounce
Happy for CO, AK, & WA they are going to reap millions in revenue! CO legal herb has already pumped so much tax revenue into the state, they are going to have to figure out how to refund some of it back to taxpayers!
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CO legal herb has already pumped so much tax revenue into the state, they are going to have to figure out how to refund some of it back to taxpayers!
Free pot for all Colorado residents!
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Reefer madness!!!??? Ahhhrrrrrrrrr!!!
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“The basic thing nobody asks is why do people take drugs of any sort? Why do we have these accessories to normal living to live? I mean, is there something wrong with society that’s making us so pressurized, that we cannot live without guarding ourselves against it?” – John Lennon
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Thats good news! I hope all the states legalize MJ. In this day and age, with really bad stuff like meth , Heroin, Crack, etc. Its totally ridiculous there are any laws against a plant that is medicinal, no one has ever died from it, etc. Heck, aspirin is more dangerous!
I also want to see the industrial hemp industry take off in the USA.
With all the crazy, fanatical stuff going on in the world right now, who really gives a hoot about MJ.
"I say pass the bong, and please"...."Dont Bogart that joint!", "No stems no seeds that you dont need, Acapulco gold is badass weed" and all that other good stuff!
;-T ;-T ;-T ;-T ;-T
Rick.
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I think she used to be hot, but perhaps that's one of the things that's changed
Tina Fey is the hotter version of Sarah Palin and would probably be a better candidate as well. ;D
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Of course it's not political. "Hannity". "Sarah Palin". "Legalized pot". How could any of that possibly be considered political, in the Wild Guzzi context?
Lannis
ssshhhh........ ;D
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Of course it's not political. "Hannity". "Sarah Palin". "Legalized pot". How could any of that possibly be considered political, in the Wild Guzzi context?
Lannis
I'm reporting on an event that obviously has a lot of interest here. It will become political only when you make it so.
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Why not? They have been smoking salmon up there since before that old Russian viking stole the place from the natives.
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Rode,
If my old neurons remember correctly, when I was a resident of Cook Inlet, the herb was legal in small amounts. No so much if one worked for an oil company with mandatory drug and alcohol testing.
Anyway I used to fertilize my neighbor's plants with Old English Sheepdog output.
Pulled a guy out of a mudhole once near Gunsight mountain. He wanted to pay me back with a baggie. Refused, and he got mad: you a police? you no like me? Paranoid. Didn't understand not my thingy, and I worky for the Marathonian Empire, sometimes out on the single rod platform. Took him a while to get it as I looked the part with long scraggley beard and dirty old Toy truck with muddies. Hawaiians would pull out big high quality flower buds when I visited. Same reaction...paranoid when I said no-no cause Barney the sniffy doggy at place where big aluminum pipes with wings land would finda and I woulda be in the cana.
Live and let live.
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Rode,
If my old neurons remember correctly, when I was a resident of Cook Inlet, the herb was legal in small amounts. No so much if one worked for an oil company with mandatory drug and alcohol testing.
Anyway I used to fertilize my neighbor's plants with Old English Sheepdog output.
Pulled a guy out of a mudhole once near Gunsight mountain. He wanted to pay me back with a baggie. Refused, and he got mad: you a police? you no like me? Paranoid. Didn't understand not my thingy, and I worky for the Marathonian Empire, sometimes out on the single rod platform. Took him a while to get it as I looked the part with long scraggley beard and dirty old Toy truck with muddies. Hawaiians would pull out big high quality flower buds when I visited. Same reaction...paranoid when I said no-no cause Barney the sniffy doggy at place where big aluminum pipes with wings land would finda and I woulda be in the cana.
Live and let live.
You've made a lot of important points in just a few lines:
legalization doesn't mean you are REQUIRED to use pot, only that the option is there. You can still do a Nancy Regan if you want to.
Some occupations and some employers have rules about inebriation on the job and illegal drug use on or off the job. So both employment considerations and common sense say not everyone should be smoking.
Legalization is still confined to within a legal state's boundaries. TSA is still going to pitch a fit on account of they do fed rules, not AK/WA/CO rules.
Selling pot without the paperwork is still an infraction (like a speeding ticket). Bartering, trading, or awarding it to the guy that helps you out of a snowbank seems to be kosher.
Right now the law is statewide, not federal. This gives the more controlling employers some wiggle room to continue including pot in their list of tested-for substances. It's unclear whether those rules will be enforceable for businesses not required to follow federal guidelines since the new law says pot will be regulated like alcohol. As a side note, both Anchorage and the state troopers say they will no longer be teaching their dogs to sniff for mj, and they'll have to retire the ones who indicate for pot.
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...and they'll have to retire the ones who indicate for pot.
Maybe just give them a bong hit before they start work, to swamp out the smell.
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You can buy ounces grower-direct for $250 here in Montana while the legal stuff in WA is damn near $200 a 1/4 ounce
Happy for CO, AK, & WA they are going to reap millions in revenue! CO legal herb has already pumped so much tax revenue into the state, they are going to have to figure out how to refund some of it back to taxpayers!
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While the Sweet Leaf is incredibly expensive in Washington's pot stores, an ounce of happiness can be had 'grower direct' for $200 +/-.
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When the state of Alaska makes their first $1M of income on this, will they ask "how much more weed can we buy with this $1M"?
Ken
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Alaska can't earmark funds coming into the state coffers. It all goes to the general fund. Otherwise I could see that happening. . . :D
Here's one of the few notices In the press about it:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/alaska-quietly-becomes-3rd-state-205033366.html
In summary it says that police were prepared for wild parties and such, but no pot-related tickets have been written and no pot-related complaints have been received by any law enforcement agency.
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Good on Alaska, our conservative federal government would rather drum up fear and ignorance than implement a system to control and legalize distribution. So the illegal trade continues to boom and groups like the Hells Angles continue to hold sway, madness.
But alas our federal government of the day panders to the politics of fear, for instance they want to build more prisons, get tough on crime, while every year violent crime drops across the country.
Many Canadians like to think we are more progressive than our cousins south of the border, reality proves otherwise.
Personally I no longer partake but I see no great harm in allowing consenting adults to choose as they wish.
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Local radio station yesterday said a girl scout set up her cookie table outside a medical marijuana facility and that she was selling a lot of cookies.
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Peyton Manning thinks it's been good for his Colorado pizza business.
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I wonder how DUI will be determined/tested. I'd think this will be a pretty good revenue stream for lawyers? Also, one of the better reasons for legalization was to reduce violence by the cartels. Any evidence this is happening? Hope so..
Peter
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I'd be very surprised if the events related to legalizing pot don't closely follow what happened after the alcohol prohibition. They've tracked pretty well for the last few decades. One big problem is what was posted above: excessive tax keeping the black market in business.
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That's been happening a lot lately , pretty smart cookies these girl scouts :D
Dusty
That'll be good for the future tax base; get kids involved in any way they can, follow the dopers around; maybe they can doctor up the cookies for them?
Lannis
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Another positive among many from letting the "dopers" do what they have been doing for some time.
"Since law enforcement often focused on marijuana possession charges in the past — even minor possession charges — Way said legalization has kept thousands of Coloradans from having to deal with the judicial system. Given that it costs around $300 to adjudicate each case — and that’s on top of the tax revenue generated by the marijuana industry — the state could potentially save $10 to $40 million from no longer prosecuting minor possession cases, according to the Colorado Center of Law and Fiscal Policy.
In the first half of 2014, Colorado’s marijuana industry was responsible for generating around $20 million in state taxes and fees. By the end of the year, Wellington said the state estimates it will collect $60 to $100 million in tax revenue from marijuana sales, as well as licensing fees and application fees."
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No, it's not political.
Oh no...of course not.... ::)
I find it ironic that MJ is now legal in DC, the seat of our Fed Gov who continues to insist that it's illegal nationwide. Odd considering our presidents drug use background. But then, this is a president that cant link Islamic and Terrorism together in a sentance.
And no - thats not political either - just a fact.
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Oh no...of course not.... ::)
I find it ironic that MJ is now legal in DC, the seat of our Fed Gov who continues to insist that it's illegal nationwide. Odd considering our presidents drug use background. But then, this is a president that cant link Islamic and Terrorism together in a sentance.
And no - thats not political either - just a fact.
Certainly is a fact. AND an event that has a lot of interest here on WG, so by definition it can't be political.
Lannis
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There is a difference between fact and opinion .
Dusty
Is that a fact or just your opinion? ??? :o
Lannis
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Is that a fact or just your opinion? ??? :o
Lannis
Well , and thanks for that . Yes , opinion , not to be confused with fact , and the fact is , I have not actually expressed an opinion on this topic :D
Dusty
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Not to change the subject of that -------- in the whitehouse. But I am.
Good for Alaska! What could possibly be more stupid than holding a bunch of pot smokers in prison?
Just my opinion.
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I was thinking someone should put a sign up: "You're leaving Colorado--deposit your pot here!"
Rich A
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I was thinking........... ...
Being an older and always in need of relief from old non-guzzi injuries.
Maybe I should take the Griso to Rallies and not-a-rally in those states that allow the relief I could use. :bike
just like wet-dry counties when it comes to beverages :BEER:
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Smoke yer bong in ak but be careful about booze...
Funny, the feds say the states cant legalize pot but the states can make booze illegal.
I'm confused. ???
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The state can outlaw something the fed does not but the state cannot legalize something the fed says is illegal.
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I was thinking someone should put a sign up: "You're leaving Colorado--deposit your pot here!"
Rich A
I heard a news article on the radio a few weeks ago. Seems Wyoming and Nebraska police and sheriffs are seeing a lot more possession charges, and much of the pot they're seeing in these additional cases was legally bought in Colorado.
Apparently those States going to file a lawsuit in federal court that seeks to put a stop to Colorado's legal pot sales...
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The state can outlaw something the fed does not but the state cannot legalize something the fed says is illegal.
Sez who?
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I believe the fed sez who but I am no expert by any means.
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It'll never happen here Virginia is too conservative, damnit.
Dean
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Sez who?
That question is obviously being tested by a few States, isn't it?
Traditionally, over the past 100 years, drugs have been a Federal issue.
These last few years have seen several States challenge that notion, and with no response from the Feds.
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Oh no...of course not.... Roll Eyes
I find it ironic that MJ is now legal in DC, the seat of our Fed Gov who continues to insist that it's illegal nationwide. Odd considering our presidents drug use background. But then, this is a president that cant link Islamic and Terrorism together in a sentance.
And no - thats not political either - just a fact.
not a fact at all, just plainly stoopid ::)
thanks for f#cking up the thread.
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Powers not given the fed are reserved for the states.
Also, fedgov may only regulate INTERstate commerce.
Selling pot within state borders falls to the individual state.
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Seems Wyoming and Nebraska police and sheriffs are seeing a lot more possession charges, and much of the pot they're seeing in these additional cases was legally bought in Colorado.
No knowing how the Colorado pot is packaged, I wonder how they determined the origin of that MJane? Is it color (organic dye?) coordinated for each state? ;)
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No knowing how the Colorado pot is packaged, I wonder how they determined the origin of that MJane? Is it color (organic dye?) coordinated for each state? ;)
Probably the poor souls who are now getting busted saying, "but I bought it legally in Colorado last weekend".
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not a fact at all, just plainly stoopid ::)
thanks for f#cking up the thread.
Wasn't this thread all about people legally getting "f*cked up"? How could it be any worse?
Lannis
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No knowing how the Colorado pot is packaged, I wonder how they determined the origin of that MJane? Is it color (organic dye?) coordinated for each state? ;)
It's double packaged and labeled. You actually have to buy the package separately. It's quite an education learning about the legal product, the varieties and the effects, even for an old time pot head. Even more info for the medical uses.
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These last few years have seen several States challenge that notion, and with no response from the Feds.
I recently read that in California there have been some federal arrests related to the medicinal sales, so they're not laying off entirely.
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You can buy ounces grower-direct for $250 here in Montana while the legal stuff in WA is damn near $200 a 1/4 ounce
MAYOR:
But you have to have a script.
Like any intoxicant, it's not okay for the 10% with addictive personalities; but I'm tired of the wasted resources of excessive drug prosecutions and incarnations. The justice, corrections and penitentiary systems are big business that will do what it takes to justify their collective existence.
OMG, was that political? Or just facts?
Spuddy
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Wasn't this thread all about people legally getting "f*cked up"? How could it be any worse?
Lannis
well, you wonder how it could get worse and then Lannis makes a post to prove it. ;)
that was wayyyyy tooo eazy
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Probably the poor souls who are now getting busted saying, "but I bought it legally in Colorado last weekend".
Amateurs. Don't they know you should say nothing to an arresting officer? I guess the pot must be good. ;D
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Amateurs. Don't they know you should say nothing to an arresting officer? I guess the pot must be good. ;D
but it's no laughing matter when a young loved gets caught up in it. :'(
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Wasn't this thread all about people legally getting "f*cked up"? How could it be any worse?
Lannis
I have a beer or a glass of wine every once in a while, but most of the time it isn't with the intention of getting all F'd up. Pot is safer IMO.
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but it's no laughing matter when a young loved gets caught up in it. :'(
I agree. The amount of lives that have been ruined by this ridiculous prohibition needs to end in all states.
In terms of action from the Feds/Congress on this issue. ;D ;D ;D. But until then, the States should move forward.
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I am against the legalization of marijuana. Not because I think it's a horrible nasty thing but because it's just vegetation and not the government's business...
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I am against the legalization of marijuana. Not because I think it's a horrible nasty thing but because it's just vegetation and not the government's business...
It sounds like you're against regulation, rather than against legalization. If so, me too.
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So Rough and Jim , how do you guys feel about Broccoli ? ;D
Dusty
I was OK until "Live and Let Die", then I went off him big time .....
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I am against the legalization of marijuana. Not because I think it's a horrible nasty thing but because it's just vegetation and not the government's business...
Grain and hops for beer.
Grapes for wine.
Not thinking that same argument is going to fly given the above. ;)
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So Rough and Jim , how do you guys feel about Broccoli ? ;D
Dusty
Rolled or in a bong? :BEER:
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It sounds like you're against regulation, rather than against legalization. If so, me too.
Yup, I am a Libertarian... and figured you are also...Or Anarchist ;D
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Legalizing something makes it seem "legal" and ok, like alcohol. Some don't like alcohol and may take to weed, some may take to both. In either case, I'm not certain that the productivity level of folks goes up. This I worry about. Probably good the Gov't is making revenue. It should come back to the folks in time.
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Ok Bill Clinton, you can inhale now. O wow man!
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It sounds like you're against regulation, rather than against legalization. If so, me too.
None of it (cocaine, heroin, etc) was illegal 120 years ago, and there wasn't a big problem.
However, there were two differences. One, it wasn't socially acceptable so very few people went down with it. Two, anyone who abused it just died. They couldn't work, there were no methadone clinics or "safety nets" or "disability payments", and so you were responsible for your own results.
If that was true again, I'd go along with it.
Lannis
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Oh, for the days of over-the-counter Laudanum...
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Legalizing something makes it seem "legal" and ok, like alcohol. Some don't like alcohol and may take to weed, some may take to both. In either case, I'm not certain that the productivity level of folks goes up. This I worry about. Probably good the Gov't is making revenue. It should come back to the folks in time.
Is there evidence to show that legalization increases long-term use? You can find evidence that claims it does not, and evidence that claims it does. One problem I see with the numbers is that once the drug is legal, more people are likely to admit using it, causing a false "increase". But worrying about decreased productivity seems unnecessary, since the same worry was a factor contributing to alcohol prohibition, and proved to not be connected to legality.
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Heroin and cocaine are not even close to MJ in terms of destructive dependence.
Statistically, the latest increase in drug use has been in the post 50 Baby Boomer generation. Maybe that is why you guys think the V7 doesn't need any additional power? :D
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To elaborate on my own statement about not legalizing and it's just vegetation. It's an intoxicant and when made legal more people will use it and abuse it. Then the next thing will be an outcry from those who feel a need to control others and it'll create more laws, and make more bullshit.
Leave it illegal if you must. Those who can use it with responsibility will continue to do so...
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kinda interesting to look at all the reefer madness back in the 1930s. Hearst Newspapers were all about the menace and the brown skinned crazed smokers.
Hearst also had a new patented process to make paper from wood rather than hemp. $$
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Heroin and cocaine are not even close to MJ in terms of destructive dependence.
Statistically, the latest increase in drug use has been in the post 50 Baby Boomer generation. Maybe that is why you guys think the V7 doesn't need any additional power? :D
I think this is an example of an increased reporting of use rather than an increase in actual use. Those over 50 folks were the hippies and beatniks of the 60s and 70s. As they mainstreamed, got jobs, had kids, etc, they had good reasons to hide or deny that they smoked. Now they're either secure in their careers, working in a non-impact job, or retired. Their kids are grown and don't need the role model. Social and civic times have changed. At least in Alaska, the over 50's led the charge for legalization.
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well, you wonder how it could get worse and then Lannis makes a post to prove it. ;)
that was wayyyyy tooo eazy
Does this mean I'm not invited to the Cedar Vale birthday party?
All I can say is, for a thread that's "justified" as being non-political and non-Guzzi because it's all Facts and no Opinions, there certainly are a sh!tpotfull of Opinions being bandied about here, masquerading as Facts .....
Lannis
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None of it (cocaine, heroin, etc) was illegal 120 years ago, and there wasn't a big problem.
If that was true again, I'd go along with it.
Lannis
A family history my Grandfather used to tell me was about how he would go to the "Pharmacy" and get Heroin for his Grandmother.
He was about 12 at the time.
He didn't need a prescription.
Of course this was Stone County Arkansas at the turn of the century.
Didn't have a problem with "illegal drugs".
For me my Griso has really helped with my back - and outlook.
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"Drug use is increasing among people in their fifties. This is, at least in part, due to the aging of the baby boomers, whose rates of illicit drug use have historically been higher than those of previous cohorts."
Stats, but who believes statistics unless they are your statistics?:
http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/nationwide-trends
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"Drug use is increasing among people in their fifties. This is, at least in part, due to the aging of the baby boomers, whose rates of illicit drug use have historically been higher than those of previous cohorts."
Stats, but who believes statistics unless they are your statistics?:
http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/nationwide-trends
I believe EVERYTHING my Government tells me. From years of blackcat posts, I know that you do too. It's a comforting feeling, isn't it .... knowing you get nothing but the truth and are being cared for?
Lannis
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Neither sharp nor hot-- snort chuckle.
somehow I think Hillary looks more like a stoner; she sure likes the munchies
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Oh no...of course not.... ::)
I find it ironic that MJ is now legal in DC, the seat of our Fed Gov who continues to insist that it's illegal nationwide. Odd considering our presidents drug use background. But then, this is a president that cant link Islamic and Terrorism together in a sentance.
And no - thats not political either - just a fact.
Our last three presidents have admitted to MJ use.. As well as over half of the supposed contenders for 2016
It's more a function of generation than party or politics
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I'm sticking with moonshine.
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The federal gov had nothing to do with local legalization in DC
That was passed by local referendum of DC residents
There was a weak attempt to block it by the Boehner & the House.. But it was short lived after the mayor & DC council basically said they would ignore it and follow the voter's will
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I believe EVERYTHING my Government tells me. From years of blackcat posts, I know that you do too. It's a comforting feeling, isn't it .... knowing you get nothing but the truth and are being cared for?
Lannis
Why don't you just take a break, milk a cow or whatever you do in your free time. God only knows, a joint is not going to solve your problem though a silent meditation might help.
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I still don't think the thread is political , the two individuals mentioned in the OP's original post are not politicians , well. maybe in their own minds :o ;D Other than that , it is more of a philosophical debate .
Dusty
I think, honestly, that you and the other pro-dope posters are fooling yourselves about whether this is a "political" thread or not. It very clearly is, but, because there are many opinions expressed that you enjoy and believe in, you talk yourselves into that it's somehow "not".
I could certainly come up with an exactly parallel thread, with the same sort of mix of "fact" and "opinion" and the same number of politicians and newsreaders mentioned, that would have Rocker's mailbox filled up with complaints about "Non Guzzi Political Thread, please stop it!".
But I won't. People can already see it, even the ones that are playing along ..... And, in the end, it's the Moderator's call. He's certainly cut some of the other "political" threads a lot of slack over the years, and most people (including me) see that as a positive for the list. I don't have to read the content; it's the hypocrisy of some of my fellow posters that's hard to swallow.
Lannis
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Why don't you just take a break, milk a cow or whatever you do in your free time. God only knows, a joint is not going to solve your problem though a silent meditation might help.
I know.
"AWW, WHY DON'T YOU JUST SHUT UP!?!" is generally a good discussion-ender for the person that's got nothing to say. OR realizes that he's stepped on his own crank ... :D
Lannis
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When did I ever state a position pro or con "dope" ? I am pro democracy , and the Alaska law was changed by a
vote , correct ?
Dusty
So no position on it, then?
I WOULD like to continue the fun on this thread that's such a combination of the "Up in Smoke" and "Beavis and Butthead" vibe, but Butthead here has to make like a tree and leave for a couple of days, so continue playing nice .....
Lannis
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Yeah,fun....My dad played pro baseball in the late 1930's, Triple A team in NJ. He said they played the Negro leagues in exhibition games . He went on to say the negro players smoked marijuana. My father and a few other white player hung out and smoked some ...My dad, who never drank alcohol in his life, said the marijuana made you laugh , it was no big deal. He admitted to me in the 1980's that he smoked pot maybe a few times more but that was it.
I have about one alcoholic drink every few weeks. And do a bit of laughing tobacco on occasion. I do know pot can cause panic attacks in people who are prone to being paranoid. It does affect your motor skills but nothing like alcohol. And although stoners are not dropping dead it's doing a person no good to be stoned constantly from a health point of view.
From this occasional personal experience I've had with marijuana, I don't believe it should be legal in addition to the reasons I gave previously in this thread.
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I know.
"AWW, WHY DON'T YOU JUST SHUT UP!?!" is generally a good discussion-ender for the person that's got nothing to say. OR realizes that he's stepped on his own crank ... :D
Lannis
I offered a link to stats and you offered.....nothing .
Edit: You did offer something, a veiled insult and then you double downed on your insults.
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From this occasional personal experience I've had with marijuana, I don't believe it should be legal in addition to the reasons I gave previously in this thread.
But to make/leave it illegal is saying the government should decide what people are allowed to do to themselves on their own time. That's not a Libertarian point of view. (no disrespect intended)
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There was a blurb on the news the other nite about a firm in BC (go figure!) that was developing a roadside THC detector similar to a breathalizer for alcohol.
It's in 'clinical' trials as we type.
Maybe they're waiting to legalize it until they have a way of determining who is high while driving, etc?
G
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Why don't you just take a break, milk a cow or whatever you do in your free time. God only knows, a joint is not going to solve your problem though a silent meditation might help.
;-T BC.
some folks sober up and others are just crazy the rest of their lives (WC Fields)
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Rough , normally I can follow your logic , not on this however ???
Dusty
Let me clear it up. To me,marijuana is none of the govt's business. But they made it their business to make it illegal. So you can decriminalize it or make it legal.Decriminal is fine with me for personal growing and use...Legal leads many to think it's ok to get stoned anytime, all the time.... It's not ok and a person needs to use common sense that seems to be lacking so often.So...too many people will get stoned, accidents will happen, and the gov't will clamp down again on marijuana and take down something along with it. More liberty lost.... I feel sometimes it's best not to be true to my beliefs to not make things worse than they are...
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It seems to me that the folks lacking in common sense are already using/abusing. The flourishing black market bears that out. I think the opposite will be true -- responsible folks who weren't using because there was no legal source will now be partaking.
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Legal leads many to think it's ok to get stoned anytime, all the time.... It's not ok and a person needs to use common sense that seems to be lacking so often.So...too many people will get stoned, accidents will happen...
I get your logic, and I can't say you're wrong. I'm not at all convinced that long term usage goes up significantly, or even at all, after legalization though.
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;-T BC.
some folks sober up and others are just crazy the rest of their lives (WC Fields)
In fairness, Lannis has proved a valuable point: Endless repetition of a statement does not make it true.
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"So...too many people will get stoned, accidents will happen..."
Sure accidents will happen, but from personal experience when I was smoking pot on a regular basis I was probably the safest driver on the road.
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OK Rough , but is there any evidence that legalizing something increases usage , or that making something illegal decreases usage . Just asking , really not trying to start a fight .
Dusty
To answer you and Jim...I have no evidence other than knowing human nature and some people have no self control....
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To answer you and Jim...I have no evidence other than knowing human nature and some people have no self control....
I didn't mean to put you on the spot, just asking. There is a lot of data around, but it varies quite a bit, since each group publishing it has its own agenda. Also, there's the effect of more reporting of use once it's not admitting to a crime to do so. Did drinking go up significantly after the alcohol prohibition was lifted? I have not researched that, but it might be informative.
Edit: The Wikipidia article on prohibition says "Studies examining the rates of cirrhosis deaths as a proxy for alcohol consumption estimated a decrease in consumption of 10–20%." So that would say the effect of illegality reducing consumption is real, but not terribly large.
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Cat , are you sure about that ;) Yeah , I don't have much experience with that , was never much of a stoner , but driving under any intoxicant increases reaction time and impairs judgement . True , stoners do try to pay more attention , and don't become aggressive like someone who has been drinking .
Dusty
Yeah, you're right. Anyway, that was 40+ years ago and everyone drives like a maniac nowadays so who knows how I would react to driving while stoned. Plus the pot is like 100 times more potent then it was back then.....
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I didn't mean to put you on the spot, just asking. There is a lot of data around, but it varies quite a bit, since each group publishing it has its own agenda. Also, there's the effect of more reporting of use once it's not admitting to a crime to do so. Did drinking go up significantly after the alcohol prohibition was lifted? I have not researched that, but it might be informative.
Edit: The Wikipidia article on prohibition says "Studies examining the rates of cirrhosis deaths as a proxy for alcohol consumption estimated a decrease in consumption of 10–20%." So that would say the effect of illegality reducing consumption is real, but not terribly large.
No, not on the spot at all. Your facts are probably accurate. Marijuana isn't a gateway drug or turn a person into a red eye madman but it can be insidious when it's easy to get. Start getting stoned before work....then at lunch....... and then night. Everything seems ok but slowly your life becomes one of less constructive activities. I have seen this in friends. You have to use self control and from the number of fat people and idiots with their cellphones, self control is in short supply.
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Marijuana isn't a gateway drug or turn a person into a red eye madman but it can be insidious when it's easy to get.
I understand what you are saying but I think pot is pretty easy to get right now, and unless you're doing something completely stupid it is unlikely you will get busted.(famous last words....) The people who have that uncontrolled personality are already abusing something and for the rest of us who would like to try it when or if it became legal, it would be an occasional novelty.
Then again, I smoked some pot a couple of summers ago and it was a bad experience, like everything that I hated about pot 40 years ago, only worse due to the potency. In defense of pot I smoked too much thinking it was like the old days and I had to go to bed and I blame it on the crickets. There were probably a half dozen of them in the backyard where we were smoking, but by the time we finished there were like 20 million of them in my head. :o :D
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...but know at least 5 places to obtain it easily at this moment .
That's pretty funny, but true. You can often get a dealer to deliver. Once it's legal you'll have to contend with store hours, proof of age, blue laws, etc.. :D
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damn Crickets...... SHUT UP !!!!!!!!!!
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In New York 25 grams or less of weed for personal use and not consuming in public is a violation not a criminal offense. It's been this way for maybe 25 years. I like this law but it should be extended to cover a few ounces and discrete cultivation for personal use. It's like having speed limits, if you had no limits the worst drivers would be driving fastest....
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Why do people think legalizing pot will cause round the clock use? It's an intoxicant, just like alcohol. Is everyone who drinks drunk 24/7?
Making it legal doesnt mean it can't be regulated. Go to work drunk, yer fired.
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Twochecks, you just hit the sweet spot! Alcohol has been legal for me for the last 33 years and I have never had a beer before work. I don't see myself smoking before work either. My job is fairly dangerous and I need my wits about me.
I have always had more difficulty with alcohol then marijauna.
The key is moderation, but Amercan culture sneers at moderation. Everything has to be Ultra,Mega,Hypermost.
Bill Lovelady is
Eskimo Spy
Dang, this thread has done made me thirsty
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In Alaska the bill said mj will be regulated like alcohol. Pee tests are to discover illegal drugs. Alcohol in Alaska is not an illegal drug. To me that means that pre-hire screens can only look for it if they also completely ban employees from drinking, or if the company is under federal rules.
That's not to say an employee can't be tested for mj, booze, or anything else if he's suspected of being impaired on the clock. My agreement as an employer was that I'm not going to pre-test, and as long as you're on-time, focused, and productive, I don't care what you ingest on your own time. BUT, if I think you're impaired on MY time I'll hand you a cup and watch you pee myself.
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Why do people think legalizing pot will cause round the clock use? It's an intoxicant, just like alcohol. Is everyone who drinks drunk 24/7?
Making it legal doesnt mean it can't be regulated. Go to work drunk, yer fired.
exactly.
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Legalization of marijuana appears to be an extremely polarizing issue, left vs right, liberal vs conservative ad nausea.
Logic tells me that if this drug is legalized as is the case with alcohol, the safety of the public by control of quality, packaging and distribution would be improved. Moonshine alcohol is pretty much a non issue and organized crime is no longer in control of a contraband substance. Every article I have read refutes the old argument that marijuana is a gateway to stronger illicit opioids. Legalized sale of alcohol does not appear to lead to widespread alcoholism. Social conditions, primarily poverty is a marker for substance abuse, that and prescription abuse of pain killers.
There seems to be very poor arguments for continuing to criminalize marijuana use. Criminalizing marijuana plays into the get tough on crime mantra that is so popular with some populist politicians. Far too many people are incarcerated for possession of marijuana, be it for personal use or trafficking. If governments legalized marijuana, controlled distribution and taxed the heck out of it the tax revenue perhaps could be used for social programs to address drug dependency, youth crime and education to give people an opportunity other than illicit drug culture.
Utopian dreaming?, perhaps, but the status quo on the war on drugs has lead to no where. Time to try another approach, this may be a start in the right direction.
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So Rough and Jim , how do you guys feel about Broccoli ? ;D
Dusty
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=dana+carvey+choppin+broccoli&FORM=VIRE1#view=detail&mid=A9E9DCE4B02B3BF48269A9E9DCE4B02B3BF48269
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I haven't noticed a left/right - liberal/conserve split at the people level. If that were true, solidly republican Alaska wouldn't have legalized. There's the prejuvenile "If your side is for it then I'm against it -- facts don't matter" mindset, but that's more of a top level thing, and all successful moves to legalize have been grassroots efforts. I see the split as more of who gains from keeping it illegal. I made up a quick list of 'special interests' that naturally want to keep things the way they were. They are (in no order other than the order I wrote them)
terrorists and their sympathizers
drug lords and their cartels
gangbangers
Big pharma
big booze
criminal lawyers
bail bondsmen
private prisons
Big lumber
Big cotton
I'm sure that given a few more minutes I could come up with more. When I hear some of totally silly arguments against legalization, I wonder with which of these groups the speaker is affiliated/supports, since arguing for continued prohibition is advocating for all of the above.
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"Drug use is increasing among people in their fifties. This is, at least in part, due to the aging of the baby boomers, whose rates of illicit drug use have historically been higher than those of previous cohorts."
Stats, but who believes statistics unless they are your statistics?:
http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/nationwide-trends
Maybe this is true because the over 50 crowd is finally fed up with all the bulls**t.
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"So...too many people will get stoned, accidents will happen..."
Sure accidents will happen, but from personal experience when I was smoking pot on a regular basis I was probably the safest driver on the road.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCXqbjo6cb0
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BUT, if I think you're impaired on MY time I'll hand you a cup and watch you pee myself.
In my experience, the policy of firing for not performing the job competently works better.
I won't ever pee in a cup or anything similar for a job, as a matter of principal. I was once told that the new contract required drug testing. I wasn't using any drugs, but told my employer that I was not willing to pee in a cup for the contract. He said that that wasn't a problem, that the contract required random testing, so he'd just make sure my name didn't randomly come up.
If everyone in the work force refused to take drug tests, the requirement would disappear. But they'd have to perform competently in their jobs to keep them, and they'd have to be willing to lose their jobs for the greater good of personal freedom.
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So when is the next Colorado,Washington, Alaska rally?? ;D
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yes
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As an employer I can't fire someone just because. It opens up a can of worms for lawsuits, and makes my unemployment insurance rates rise. I have to fire for cause and with proof. But my name is on everything that goes out the door. I can't deliver sloppy goods and services, and I can't have sloppy employees out in the field. So I have to reserve the right to pee test and take other measures with a problem employee if I think it's necessary to protect my business and my customers.
But I'm with you. I won't take a drug test as a prerequisite for being hired. I infer from that, that the employer assumes I'd lie if they just asked, and that starts us out mistrusting each other. And they want to make ME pay for it? I believe that an employment relationship should be based on mutual trust and respect. If they want to ask me about drugs I'll be happy to provide copies of my prescriptions. I've got nothing to hide.
I do a lot of 3rd-party tech support work in Alaska for lower-48 companies and I won't submit to criminal/domestic/credit/background/drug checks for their business, either. It's insulting. I've been up here doing the same thing for 25 years now and along with my professional credentials that ought to be all they need to know -- references on request. If they persist, they can fly someone in for the hour's work from Texas. I've got plenty of other things to do.
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So when is the next Colorado,Washington, Alaska rally?? ;D
Is that a trick question?
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Why do people think legalizing pot will cause round the clock use? It's an intoxicant, just like alcohol. Is everyone who drinks drunk 24/7?
Making it legal doesnt mean it can't be regulated. Go to work drunk, yer fired.
Because I have seen it repeatedly since I first became aware of marijuana in 1967 when I was 20 years old. I'm not saying it's a problem for the majority but the potential is there. And it's not the image of an alcoholic or drug user laying in the gutter or going through withdrawal swatting imaginary bugs....But it can cause a erosion of a person's get up and go ....Otherwords you get lazy....I believe out society is so used to being told what to do by the gov't that the ability to self control is lost ...
No legalization,just 100% decriminalize for personal use and cultivation....And see what happens....
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In my experience, the policy of firing for not performing the job competently works better.
I won't ever pee in a cup or anything similar for a job, as a matter of principal. I was once told that the new contract required drug testing. I wasn't using any drugs, but told my employer that I was not willing to pee in a cup for the contract. He said that that wasn't a problem, that the contract required random testing, so he'd just make sure my name didn't randomly come up.
If everyone in the work force refused to take drug tests, the requirement would disappear. But they'd have to perform competently in their jobs to keep them, and they'd have to be willing to lose their jobs for the greater good of personal freedom.
Same here. I've never knowingly been tested for illegal drugs. When the new folks took over the military recreational area where I worked I refused to sign, however I'm not all that sure what I would have done if my living depended on having that job. Nothing came of it and I was never tested. I was fired for not showing up for work. That was well over a year after I gave notice I was riding my motorcycle to Alaska. :BEER:
Matt
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No, not on the spot at all. Your facts are probably accurate. Marijuana isn't a gateway drug or turn a person into a red eye madman but it can be insidious when it's easy to get. Start getting stoned before work....then at lunch....... and then night. Everything seems ok but slowly your life becomes one of less constructive activities. I have seen this in friends. You have to use self control and from the number of fat people and idiots with their cellphones, self control is in short supply.
Then please explain why I do not drink scotch with breakfast? And usually not at lunch, especially when I have to return to work. But in the evening I like to sit, by the fire lately, and have a glass or three.
I have had three doctors in three different states tell me that they would prefer I smoked pot rather than taking Tylenol or Advil every night for joint pains. The California doctor did prescribe it for me. My Florida doctor said he is for decriminalizing pot. Only the pharmaceutical industry is against legalization.
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hang in there KS- best of luck ;-T
I'd like to think it's still legal here to "pursue happiness." As was mentioned last night on the tube..."get out and vote." (Even if they want to throw the DC mayor in jail.)
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I think this is an example of an increased reporting of use rather than an increase in actual use. Those over 50 folks were the hippies and beatniks of the 60s and 70s. As they mainstreamed, got jobs, had kids, etc, they had good reasons to hide or deny that they smoked. Now they're either secure in their careers, working in a non-impact job, or retired. Their kids are grown and don't need the role model. Social and civic times have changed. At least in Alaska, the over 50's led the charge for legalization.
This. You admit to parents hiding and denying their use from their kids. Why? Maybe they're a roll model? So now, you have to admit to your kids when they ask that it's legal because higher powers than them say it's ok. Legalizing something is not much different than saying it's ok in the back of someone's mind. I say we definitely see more folks using because it's "ok" now to use. It's the psychology of legalization that I'm talking about. I don't care what folks do.
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funny, my 76 year old Ma was saying that she'd like to "try it once."
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hang in there KS- best of luck ;-T
I'd like to think it's still legal here to "pursue happiness." As was mentioned last night on the tube..."get out and vote." (Even if they want to throw the DC mayor in jail.)
While the Citizens United case has made speech and money synonymous, none of the entities mentioned that benefit from mj being legal illegal (need to proof read) can yet vote. Votin's still us regular folks ace in the hole.
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I changed my mind. I am deciding not to comment on anything drug or law enforcement related on any online forum from here forward. I will probably even go back through old post and remove some of them as well. I have done a good job of staying invisible on the web. I don't have Facebook or my real name attached to anything on the web other than ebay and paypal because I prefer my privacy. As much as I would like to continue chatting with you all about this topic I think it is better to make sure I am not associated in anyway with anything controversial. I don't want anyone (employer, Law, ect) to be able to dig up any of my online history and use it against me in the future. Sounds paranoid right? I like that better safe than sorry philosophy.
On another note I definitely think the statistics will show an increase of people using pot but it will just be people admitting to pot use that previously denied using because of it being illegal.
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Sounds paranoid right?
Nope. I never get into discussions about valuable possessions or illegal activities for many reasons, including attracting burglars or worse. Remember the recent thread about posting photos from your cell phone, which may have GPS coordinates embedded in them? Posting your birthday is another one, since it's one more key piece of information that could allow someone to steal your identity.
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Nope. I never get into discussions about valuable possessions or illegal activities for many reasons, including attracting burglars or worse. Remember the recent thread about posting photos from your cell phone, which may have GPS coordinates embedded in them? Posting your birthday is another one, since it's one more key piece of information that could allow someone to steal your identity.
What about posting wrong information, to throw them off the trail? ~;
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I sure do. No GPS pics for me. I have known about the GPS tagging for years. I am flip phone no txt no pics no data no facebook. WG has been my guilty pleasure but I realized a way it can be linked back to me and am going to be much more careful on here as well. Prisons are not full of smart criminals. The Smart criminals own the prisons.
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Be safe out there, y'all...
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f3/Tin_foil_hat_2.jpg)
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Never did get the foil hat thing. Maybe I'm not paranoid after all.
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Then please explain why I do not drink scotch with breakfast? And usually not at lunch, especially when I have to return to work. But in the evening I like to sit, by the fire lately, and have a glass or three.
I have had three doctors in three different states tell me that they would prefer I smoked pot rather than taking Tylenol or Advil every night for joint pains. The California doctor did prescribe it for me. My Florida doctor said he is for decriminalizing pot. Only the pharmaceutical industry is against legalization.
Please, don't take my statement as personal or turn take it to mean everyone. And I know plenty of drunks who progressed from one drink to way too many. reading my posts here it's no secret I enjoy herb occasionally and reading between the lines some other guys here also enjoy it. But like I said after nearly 50 years of experience with marijuana I've seen many become all out stoners. And like drunks they will deny there's any problem...But at least the stoners don't get violent and kill each other like drunks do.And they don't go down the tubes but it makes them thinkers and not doers...
I have spinal arthritis and I have to say it relieves the pain as well as OTC analgesics.
And the worst? Gov't control of vegetation that's a result of legalization.... Grow your own like so many do,be in control and it's no ones business but your own....
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Even tho possession is legal in WA, manufacture without a license is not. Even a few for your own consumption. This leads one to believe that the tax revenue is a big part of the state's position.
I can remember my grandfather growing his own tobacco in Arkansas, back in the sixties. I wonder what the position of the state is on that?
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This is a little drift into policy, but it's still factual . . .
Alaska looked at the CO and WA models when writing their bill. We thought the WA model was the result of the administration being given to the (failed) liquor control board, which of course has to CONTROL something or they just don't feel busy. After losing their monopoly on booze they decided to really take hold of their new role. We were looking to get the gubbmt OUT of the situation as much as possible, and although some localities (Anchorage and Wasilla are big in the news) are trying to subvert the bill, so far we're doing a fair job of staying out of possession, sharing, and growing. [personal note] I really don't care how the commercialization part shakes out. I've got no dog in that fight. I just want to be left alone to do my personal thing for my personal self.
We felt that the main purpose of the change was to let folks grow their own. The commercial industry doesn't really play into it up here to the extent that some folks think it will. The majority of folks will continue on with their home gardens. Despite some curious inconsistencies, like allowing several plants, any one of which would exceed the personal possession limit of one ounce by several x. But we also built the ability to modify the bill into its structure. So as these speedbumps are encountered they will be dealt with.
Another thing we did was to say that mj would be regulated like alcohol. This allows municipalities the right to have wet, damp, or dry venues, just like they can with booze. They also get to define things like what is a 'public place' where consumption is banned. So one community can say 'public places' are anywhere a member of the public can see you do it, and others (like Sitka), say it's common hallways in apartment buildings, common city areas like parks and streets, and public buildings like stores and restaurants.
I see that debate at the federal level is focusing on a model close to ours. They are not looking hard at what Washinton is doing. The discussion topic for them takes the title of our law " . . to regulate mj like alcohol."
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The federal gov had nothing to do with local legalization in DC
That was passed by local referendum of DC residents
There was a weak attempt to block it by the Boehner & the House.. But it was short lived after the mayor & DC council basically said they would ignore it and follow the voter's will
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They (mostly three Republicans) were successful in the respect that you can't legally buy MJ the way you can in Colorado. In fact you have to grow it yourself or someone gives you the pot and it can only be smoked at home.
Alaska seems to have a similar plan but it sounds like that will change within the next year.
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Sometime in 2016 the commercial part kicks in. It would have been suspicious if there was local stock on-hand the same day growing it became legal. So they're taking some time to sort out the grower's/sellers rules and to grow some inventory. It's new ground. It will take a year or more before everything is defined and workable.
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My funniest pot story. Back in the day I was at a MX and I ran across a friend out in the infield. He was toking up and I didn't care. We chatted awhile and he said he liked to smoke up before a race because he thought it made him ride more relaxed. I said " That's all well and good, but isn't that you're moto that just came off the line?" Say what you want but pot makes you do stupid stuff. Oh yeah, I wrote this with a couple of gin and tonics in me. Should I duck now?
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Just so long as my kava stays legal.
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I hear that kava turns you into flesh eating Zombies. I'm sure it will be illegal in no time. Well wait nope it doesn't infringe on big paper, big cotton, or big oil so I think you are going to be ok.