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Title: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: johnr on September 30, 2015, 07:00:23 AM
Being hosted by England this time.

Our lot seem to be doing OK thus far. Their 1st game was against Argentina. We won, but the Argies were certainly no push overs.  The All Blacks gave them a standing ovation as the Argies left the field.

Wonder of wonders Japan, normally thought of as rugby minnows, actually beat South Africa! A magnificent achievement, beyond belief almost.
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: Pancake on September 30, 2015, 04:28:36 PM
There have been some good matches. Argentina held up well for quite a long time against the All Blacks but they got tired and started to make a lot of errors. Wales England was a cracker of a match.
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: ITSec on September 30, 2015, 04:30:06 PM
EAT YOUR DEAD!!!  :wink:
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: Lannis on September 30, 2015, 05:26:37 PM
One thing I've noticed is that there are no Women on these teams.

Why is that?   Are the leagues merely sexist misogynists?    Are they just discriminating based on gender?   Are there no rules to assure diversity based on sex?    I've heard (especially on this very experienced and broad-based list) that there are some very strong and tough women around, fully capable of physical equality with men.   Why are none of them chosen for these teams?   

There's a term for it when teams CLAIM to be "equal opportunity" but the fact of the matter is that no women are ever chosen.    In business, that's a clear signal that discrimination is happening and being blamed on something else, even if hidden.   Why is it allowed to go on?    There are men of every race, religious creed, color, national origin .... why are women so blatantly and completely excluded?

I'm not watching any more Rugby World Cup matches until this blatant bigotry and degradation of women is addressed, I can tell you ....  :boxing:

Lannis
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: Clancy on September 30, 2015, 06:34:46 PM
Wonder if the All Blacks will ever win a World Cup.....
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: Clancy on September 30, 2015, 06:36:41 PM
........without home ground advantage?  :grin:
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: balvenie on September 30, 2015, 06:42:37 PM


Wonder of wonders Japan, normally thought of as rugby minnows, actually beat South Africa! A magnificent achievement, beyond belief almost.

One of those "black swan" events :shocked: :grin: and their coach was a bloke that Oz got rid of :shocked: :shocked:
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: Kiwi_Roy on September 30, 2015, 06:53:13 PM
One thing I've noticed is that there are no Women on these teams.
 
If they were good enough they would be

Lot's of women play rugby

Ok Lannis, I know you are gust trying to wind us up  :grin:
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: ITSec on September 30, 2015, 07:24:40 PM
If they were good enough they would be

Lot's of women play rugby

Ok Lannis, I know you are gust trying to wind us up  :grin:

I wonder if he's seen some of those Sheilas...  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: LowRyter on September 30, 2015, 08:38:52 PM
Rugby?  Is that what they call Soccer?   :shocked:


Rugby?  I am clueless.   :evil:

 :popcorn:

Is Hope Solo playing?
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: johnr on September 30, 2015, 08:53:37 PM
I wonder if he's seen some of those Sheilas...  :rolleyes:

Scary as hell!
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: johnr on September 30, 2015, 08:55:26 PM
One of those "black swan" events :shocked: :grin: and their coach was a bloke that Oz got rid of :shocked: :shocked:

Yeah. He's a Kiwi isn't he?
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: Lannis on September 30, 2015, 09:11:41 PM
Did you watch any world rugby before you found out that no women were playing ? Somehow I don't think they are gonna fold up the tent due to your lack of interest  :laugh:

  Dusty

No, obviously not ....
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: oldbike54 on September 30, 2015, 09:14:50 PM
No, obviously not ....

 Kind of like my dislike of American beer , since my annual consumption is less than one gallon , don't think the brewers are worried  :laugh:

  Dusty
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: Yukonica on September 30, 2015, 09:47:37 PM
As a Canadian I salute rugby as part of my Commonwealth heritage and as the gentleman's game. Great Sport. Wish we could play it. On Ice.
Should ever we beat Anyone (even Bangladesh) at this game I'll celebrate by cracking a Kokanee to wash-back some maple poutine then burp 'eh!' and cuddle back into my flannel jammies.
Sports played outside of north america really should consider our time zones.
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: FreshEgg on September 30, 2015, 10:35:50 PM
WTF, Lannis?

Rugby is one of the fastest growing sports in America - exactly because of the participation of Women. Having played both American Football and Rugby I'd opine that the later is a tougher game. You don't have to sprint your guts out, and tackle, and ruck and scrum  for 80 minutes. Rugby players also know how to tackle, as opposed to spearing people with your helmets. Indeed, the (superbowl) Seahawks, here in Seattle, are trying to teach the rugby tackle to their players.

Ask the next hairy 240 pound rugby forward you meet what he thinks of women's rugby. Chances are you will get an enthusiastic and positive response. This RESPECT is part of the Culture of Rugby and it is International. Women are just as brave as men on the Rugby pitch. An analogy might be found in motorcycle racing, where even the slowest club racer is waaaaaaaay faster than anyone on the street. In that context, nobody gives a shit about gender.
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: not-fishing on September 30, 2015, 11:16:05 PM
Go All Black.

I have a thing for big men and clubs, maybe it's a Once were Warriors thing.
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: Yukonica on September 30, 2015, 11:29:42 PM
Go All Black.

"S" ~ All Blacks
I'm sure there are Kiwi's leaving the shore in rafts; just to find you. They are pretty keen on their team.
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: tris on October 01, 2015, 01:19:34 AM
There have been some good matches. Argentina held up well for quite a long time against the All Blacks but they got tired and started to make a lot of errors. Wales England was a cracker of a match.

It sure was ...... but we could do without the Aussies next

Still, somewhat curiously IMO the bookies have England to top the pool as of this morning - hey ho - watch this space
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: Lannis on October 01, 2015, 07:41:32 AM
WTF, Lannis?

Rugby is one of the fastest growing sports in America - exactly because of the participation of Women. Having played both American Football and Rugby I'd opine that the later is a tougher game. You don't have to sprint your guts out, and tackle, and ruck and scrum  for 80 minutes. Rugby players also know how to tackle, as opposed to spearing people with your helmets. Indeed, the (superbowl) Seahawks, here in Seattle, are trying to teach the rugby tackle to their players.

Ask the next hairy 240 pound rugby forward you meet what he thinks of women's rugby. Chances are you will get an enthusiastic and positive response. This RESPECT is part of the Culture of Rugby and it is International. Women are just as brave as men on the Rugby pitch. An analogy might be found in motorcycle racing, where even the slowest club racer is waaaaaaaay faster than anyone on the street. In that context, nobody gives a shit about gender.

Well, you sort of missed the context of what I was saying.   I'm fully in support of everything you said here.

On another thread, the one related to a woman on a long motorcycle trip,  I was praising the abilities of women to compete directly with men in many areas, and could find no reason why, in many sports and endeavors, that a woman shouldn't be the World Champion in areas that play to their strengths.   Or that a woman could easily outride a man on a motorcycle journey, and actually gave some examples.

But I said that there are some areas where a woman cannot play head-to-head with men.   I used the military as one of those, where women are being "placed" into combat positions in order to meet "diversity" targets in the sociology laboratory that the military has become.

I note, however, that in world- or national-level competitions, such as Rugby football, Association Football, NFL football, tennis, bicycling, golf, baseball, etc, there are NO women competing at that level with men.   None.

And that is NOT because the teams or leagues are gender-bigoted, or intolerant of women, or anything else, and it is not because women are not tough and can't endure.    It is that way because the team's goal is to WIN, and to WIN they have to competitively select the people that can get the job done.    If the team doesn't WIN, they're gone.

Unfortunately, the modern military isn't that way.   In this country, they're explicitly being set up to FAIL in the name of diversity and feel-good.   If, someday, we are fighting for our lives and HAVE to win, then we'll cut all that crap out and do what we have to do to win.

But the Rugby teams competing at the world level ALREADY have to win, and so they select their teams accordingly.    And that means men.    People hate to hear that, and want to assign some sort of "-phobe" word to it, but on a discussion board, well ....

Lannis
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: LowRyter on October 01, 2015, 10:14:40 AM
Lannis- our military is deliberately set up to fail in the name of diversity? 

All derived from Rugby jokes?  Sometime you really go out of your way to be a horse's ass. 
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: Lannis on October 01, 2015, 10:27:26 AM
Lannis- our military is deliberately set up to fail in the name of diversity? 

All derived from Rugby jokes?  Sometime you really go out of your way to be a horse's ass.

When there's no good answer to the argument, calling the other guy a "horse's ass" is a tried-and-true technique.

It's a good substitute for "Dang, he's right, I don't know what to say so I'll just do a quick insult".

Thanks!!   :thumb:

And now, in your honor and in the greatest Rugby traditions, we'll all link arms and sing "Shoot the Boot" to you .....

Lannis
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: LowRyter on October 01, 2015, 10:29:28 AM
no argument Lannis when it's self evident. 
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: Nick on October 01, 2015, 10:49:48 AM
Holy Shit!!!!
How TF did a Rugby World Cup post turn into a US Military post?
Can we please get back on topic? (http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s180/ndicroce/emoticons/TFR99.gif) (http://s152.photobucket.com/user/ndicroce/media/emoticons/TFR99.gif.html)
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: LowRyter on October 01, 2015, 11:06:50 AM
Holy Shit!!!!
How TF did a Rugby World Cup post turn into a US Military post?
Can we please get back on topic? (http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s180/ndicroce/emoticons/TFR99.gif) (http://s152.photobucket.com/user/ndicroce/media/emoticons/TFR99.gif.html)

my point exactly.
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: Lannis on October 01, 2015, 11:59:01 AM
my point exactly.

Good point.  It's not like Wild Guzzi allows any off-topic stuff.   It's made for Guzzi Motorcycles, so Rugby World Cup fits right in there.

What was I thinking?    :laugh:
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: Loftness on October 01, 2015, 12:27:40 PM
I'm very frustrated that I can't watch any games until the NBC coverage picks up in the last couple rounds. 
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: PJPR01 on October 01, 2015, 04:51:44 PM
These teams are pretty impressive.  By pure luck when we lived in Argentina, some of the All Blacks were staying at the same hotel.  I think they had a friendly match with the Argentina team in Mar del Plata that weekend.  These dudes are monsters!!
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: johnr on October 01, 2015, 08:18:23 PM
Well our next game is against Georgia and I'm a tad worried about it. I think the ABs are taking Georgia a bit lightly, and it's when we do that, that we might lose. The ABs always perform better if they think they are up against it.

The USA team plays South Africa next. It's a big ask, the South Afs are scary good.
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: johnr on October 02, 2015, 10:17:11 PM
Well the ABs won their game, but it was a scrapie effort.  They will have to up their game if they want to progress in the competition.

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Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: balvenie on October 03, 2015, 08:04:00 PM
          After being told that they weren't good enough to play for England, the Wallabies beat the Lions in every department of the game. Indeed, it seemed that they could do almost nothing wrong :grin:
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: johnr on October 03, 2015, 11:37:45 PM
I missed the game, but I sort of expected that.
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: Muzz on October 04, 2015, 11:40:01 AM
I have it recorded,  have yet to find the time to watch it.  Swap Meet coming up this week so it is going to be difficult to squeeze it in.
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: tris on October 05, 2015, 01:46:57 AM
England 13 Australia 33  :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

Well done the Aussies but who do I support now I guess it 'll be COMON Wales/Scotland/Ireland/France/Italy in that order  :grin:

Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: oldbike54 on October 05, 2015, 09:06:21 AM
England 13 Australia 33  :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

Well done the Aussies but who do I support now I guess it 'll be COMON Wales/Scotland/Ireland/France/Italy in that order  :grin:

  France  :huh: They play Rugby ? Like for reals ?  :evil:

  Dusty
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: Nick on October 05, 2015, 10:09:25 AM
Oh well....Italy tried, but no cigar!!  :sad:
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: Kiwi_Roy on October 05, 2015, 02:20:55 PM
  France  :huh: They play Rugby ? Like for reals ?  :evil:

  Dusty
The French are the ones I worry about, they play a different style, sometimes the All Blacks have trouble adapting to it.
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: johnr on October 05, 2015, 03:13:20 PM
England 13 Australia 33  :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

Well done the Aussies but who do I support now I guess it 'll be COMON Wales/Scotland/Ireland/France/Italy in that order  :grin:

France! FRANCE! How could they be supported under any circumstances?  nuclear polluting terrorist producing bullying ungrateful blackmailing back stabbing mumble mumble....


I would find it difficult to include France in that list.
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: Lannis on October 05, 2015, 03:58:29 PM
France! FRANCE! How could they be supported under any circumstances?  nuclear polluting terrorist producing bullying ungrateful blackmailing back stabbing mumble mumble....


I would find it difficult to include France in that list.

I'm surprised you didn't take the opportunity to say something like:  "Yes, their traditional style of running backward waving a white flag could be very disconcerting to a team used to conventional tactics ...."

I'D never say anything like that of course, because I like the French ....  :thumb:

Lannis
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: johnr on October 08, 2015, 07:14:01 AM

The USA team plays South Africa next. It's a big ask, the South Afs are scary good.

And so it proved. SA 64  USA 0. But it's South Africa for heavens sake, so no shame in that.

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb116/johnr39/Rugbuy%20Sa%20v%20USA.jpg) (http://s210.photobucket.com/user/johnr39/media/Rugbuy%20Sa%20v%20USA.jpg.html)
 Kriel skips past Kruger to score their ninth try

Actually I think the SAs may well win the competition this time. The way our lot is playing they will be lucky to survive the semis.
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: SPEIRMOOR on October 08, 2015, 02:30:03 PM
Japan/SA game was a joy to watch. Sad to hear Jean DeVilliers has since retired with a broken jaw. Eng/Wal (should've taken the 3pts) and Eng/Aus (Engs implosion) were both huge games. Cant wait for this weekend Aus/Wal and Ire/Fra. No easy games from now on.
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: Subdewd on October 09, 2015, 06:55:13 AM
awesome sport.  Got to watcha few matches over on Dublin last week. American football is downright boring compared worth all the delays.  Is there any tv coverage on the Internet
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: SPEIRMOOR on October 09, 2015, 08:49:17 AM
  Is there any tv coverage on the Internet
http://www.watchrwc2015.com/
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: johnr on October 09, 2015, 01:29:09 PM
http://www.watchrwc2015.com/

Didn't know about that site. Great!

I'm going to watch NZ v Tonga. It could be a bruising game. I think France V Ireland will be worth watching too.
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: ScepticalScotty on October 09, 2015, 05:37:11 PM
Fairly happy with the way the Wallabies are going.  :thumb: Pocock is a monster over the ball. Gits was sorely missed. Front row really have moved on from 12 months ago.

For my American freinds - the game may appear complicated with its many laws (NOT rules!), but it doesn't take too long to get the hang of it.
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: SPEIRMOOR on October 09, 2015, 11:20:51 PM
Fairly happy with the way the Wallabies are going.  :thumb: Pocock is a monster over the ball. Gits was sorely missed. Front row really have moved on from 12 months ago.

For my American freinds - the game may appear complicated with its many laws (NOT rules!), but it doesn't take too long to get the hang of it.
Bernard Foley is on fire also. They are the team that I think will go all the way this year.
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: johnr on October 12, 2015, 07:17:15 AM
So the Irish, bless em, managed to beat the French.

The Irish team now ranks 3rd in the world as a result. The are pretty good. In the 2013 cup they came within a hair of beating us. It was a very exciting game. Here is the last couple of minutes of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nV5zndjlv7w

That means the the All Blacks get to play the French in the semi final at Cardiff.

Oh dear oh dear! That's exactly what happened in 2007 and we lost!!! The shame of it! There were mutterings to the effect that that AB team should not be allowed back into the country!

The specter of that game will abound in the All Black camp this week, and much will be the work, the sweat and the gritting of teeth!
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: balvenie on October 12, 2015, 12:14:15 PM
There were some "gritted teeth" in Queensland, when the Welsh hurled themselves at our line, time and time again, last Sunday morning :shocked: :grin:
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: johnr on October 12, 2015, 06:55:59 PM
There were some "gritted teeth" in Queensland, when the Welsh hurled themselves at our line, time and time again, last Sunday morning :shocked: :grin:

Yep. The English have been having that problem with them for many centuries now.
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: SPEIRMOOR on October 12, 2015, 08:20:44 PM
France are not great in fairness but they are the bogey team for New Zealand. Ireland lose 3 players through injury and I'm sure O'Brien will get cited for giving Pape a thump so theres 4 first choice players gone for the Argentina game.
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: Subdewd on October 12, 2015, 09:18:59 PM
http://www.watchrwc2015.com/
Brilliant,  thanks
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: Steph on October 13, 2015, 04:54:09 AM
Yes, the French do know how to play rugby  :wink:

http://youtu.be/sQtbfOIrOyk

Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: oldbike54 on October 13, 2015, 08:29:15 AM
Yes, the French do know how to play rugby  :wink:

http://youtu.be/sQtbfOIrOyk

  :laugh: That might explain the increase in Bigfoot sightings in France recently  :grin:

  Dusty
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: archwaykid on October 13, 2015, 08:38:33 AM
Getting into Rugby as it is hosted by England. Love the respect these huge dudes show to the normally  little referee.

This NEVER happens in Football (Soccer) here in England or Europe even, with players swearing at the ref for every decision made.

Also, as it is normally tradition with us and sports in general, we are out of the competition. Bad display against the Welsh and the Aussies showed us who's boss. Shame they couldn't do the same in Cricket for the Ashes. Isn't it Aussies. ;)
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: johnr on October 13, 2015, 04:45:49 PM
Yes, the French do know how to play rugby  :wink:

http://youtu.be/sQtbfOIrOyk

Yep, and they all come from this little village where a druid by the name of Getafix mixes them a magic potion.
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb116/johnr39/Getafix.jpg) (http://s210.photobucket.com/user/johnr39/media/Getafix.jpg.html)
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: Yukonica on October 17, 2015, 04:21:54 PM
So; an Englishman walks into a pub.
Normally there'd be an Irishman and a Scot; but they are still at the World Cup of Rugby.
:)
All Blacks ~ Haka!
PM sent by a Kiwi friend.
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: injundave on October 17, 2015, 04:34:17 PM
All Blacks 62, France 13!!!!! Serves the nuclear polluting etc, etc, etc so-and-so's right.
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: oldbike54 on October 17, 2015, 05:02:38 PM
All Blacks 62, France 13!!!!! Serves the nuclear polluting etc, etc, etc so-and-so's right.

 So... the French DON'T play rugby  :evil:

  Dusty
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: Yukonica on October 17, 2015, 05:14:49 PM
So... the French DON'T play rugby  :evil:

  Dusty

They do... just not nearly as well as All Blacks.
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: oldbike54 on October 17, 2015, 05:23:08 PM
They do... just not nearly as well as All Blacks.

 Sorta like I can "play" racer , just not as well as Rossi  :rolleyes:

  Dusty
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: Yukonica on October 17, 2015, 05:49:51 PM
Sorta like I can "play" racer , just not as well as Rossi  :rolleyes:

  Dusty

Same.
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: johnr on October 17, 2015, 07:05:22 PM
1.30 minutes of highlights here.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/73121583/all-blacks-humiliate-france-to-reach-rugby-world-cup-semifinals

(http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/happy/jumping-for-joy-smiley-emoticon.gif) (http://www.sherv.net/)

I missed watching the game though. I wonder if there is a full replay anywhere?
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: nick949 on October 17, 2015, 07:06:35 PM
No shame for France being walloped by the All Blacks.  They've had their fair share of success:

"Overall, the All Blacks have won 42 Tests against France's 12, with one match drawn. The largest winning margin in a Test between the countries was a 61–10 victory to the All Blacks at Westpac Stadium in Wellington in 2007. The most career points scored by members of either team is 92 by Andrew Mehrtens; he also holds the record for points in one match with 29.

Despite the vastly superior win record of New Zealand in this encounter, France has the greatest number of wins against the All Blacks of any Northern Hemisphere opponent to date. France are sometimes called the "bogey" team of New Zealand, known for having inconsistent results in regular test matches, but have proven to be fierce opponents in the knockout stage of the Rugby World Cup. All Black campaigns in The Rugby World Cup were halted by defeats to France in 1999 and 2007, and were nearly upset again in 2011 with a very narrow 8-7 victory in the final."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_rugby_union_matches_between_France_and_New_Zealand (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_rugby_union_matches_between_France_and_New_Zealand)

Anyway, it was an entertaining game with some great moves.

Nick
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: oldbike54 on October 17, 2015, 07:10:44 PM
(http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/happy/jumping-for-joy-smiley-emoticon.gif) (http://www.sherv.net/)

   :1: Great emo  :bow:

   Dusty
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: johnr on October 17, 2015, 07:21:26 PM
I want to see the Wales v South Africa quarter final too. It sounds like a close one.  (23-19 to SA)

While our win over France is enormously satisfying, as Ritchie McCaw said after the game, it's only bought us another week.
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: Pancake on October 20, 2015, 01:42:24 PM
Scotland were robbed.
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: johnr on October 20, 2015, 05:06:20 PM
They were that.
I'm a bit surprised that the rules did not allow the ref to reference the video refs. I bet that changes soon, but then there is the risk that the ref will do it every time thus slowing the game.

It leaves us with an all southern hemisphere semi final. How the All Blacks will get on against the South Africans I just don't know, but I suspect  the Pumas might clean up the Ozzies which would be retribution for Scotland.
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: balvenie on October 20, 2015, 06:12:34 PM
There are a few implied "ifs" in the last couple of posts and I would like to add one of my own. For instance, if our goal kicker had converted all his attempts, the result would not be in question. What say ye, gentlemen? :grin:
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: PJPR01 on October 20, 2015, 06:17:02 PM
Vamos Argentina!  Let's see if they can make it to the Finals for once!  :)
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: johnr on October 20, 2015, 07:48:24 PM
There are a few implied "ifs" in the last couple of posts and I would like to add one of my own. For instance, if our goal kicker had converted all his attempts, the result would not be in question. What say ye, gentlemen? :grin:

Well true, but he didn't.
In any case I don't actually blame the ref. He had a call to make and made it to the best of his ability. Even in the slow mo replays it's a bit of a tough call so a fair enough result  in my opinion. 
I can though understand the Scotties being a mite miffed.
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: Pancake on October 21, 2015, 02:14:26 PM
There are a few implied "ifs" in the last couple of posts and I would like to add one of my own. For instance, if our goal kicker had converted all his attempts, the result would not be in question. What say ye, gentlemen? :grin:

I agree with this particular 'if' but the poor goal kicking was a player performance issue. Bad referee decisions are not. Not only was the wrong decision made art that point to award Oz a penalty, there was an incident just before where a Scottish player got barged off the field when he didn't have the ball, which should have been a yellow card and penalty to Scotland.
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: SPEIRMOOR on October 21, 2015, 02:21:51 PM
Vamos Argentina!  Let's see if they can make it to the Finals for once!  :)
I hope so. Ireland were crushed by their superior physicality and pace.
Scotland were robbed. If there is a TMO there why not change the laws and use them.
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: johnr on October 21, 2015, 05:29:58 PM
I hope so. Ireland were crushed by their superior physicality and pace.
Scotland were robbed. If there is a TMO there why not change the laws and use them.

As I said earlier, the rule probably exists to avoid a situation where a ref uses a TMO for every decision.  The game would grind to a boring halt in such a circumstance.

I agree with you though, it should be available. They can deal with the problem of over use when and if it arises.
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: Scorpione on October 21, 2015, 05:49:29 PM
Scotland: WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAA!!!!! We wuz robbed!!!!

OK, then if not a penalty, then the alternative was a scum to the  Wallabies and they score under the post: 7 points for a 5 point win with 5 try's to three. Or they work over to the posts for a three point drop goal, 3pts and 35-34 win.

See, i can use the 'if' as well.

All the whinging that goes on from losers never takes into account what could happen after the change in the game took place.

Suck it up FFS!



Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: Kiwi_Roy on October 21, 2015, 06:34:02 PM
As I said earlier, the rule probably exists to avoid a situation where a ref uses a TMO for every decision.  The game would grind to a boring halt in such a circumstance.

Like the games over here where they halt play for the ads on TV
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: SPEIRMOOR on October 21, 2015, 10:51:58 PM
Scotland: WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAA!!!!! We wuz robbed!!!!

OK, then if not a penalty, then the alternative was a scum to the  Wallabies and they score under the post: 7 points for a 5 point win with 5 try's to three. Or they work over to the posts for a three point drop goal, 3pts and 35-34 win.

See, i can use the 'if' as well.

All the whinging that goes on from losers never takes into account what could happen after the change in the game took place.

Suck it up FFS!
Scum awarded. Scotland push the Aussies off the ball and Laidlaw kicks it in to touch. Game over
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: oldbike54 on October 22, 2015, 06:54:36 AM
 Scum , TMO , "got barged off the field ?? OK fellas , speak English will ya  :huh: What a great thread , even if I don't understand about half  :thumb: :laugh:

  Dusty
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: johnr on October 22, 2015, 09:00:52 AM
Scum , TMO , "got barged off the field ?? OK fellas , speak English will ya  :huh: What a great thread , even if I don't understand about half  :thumb: :laugh:

  Dusty

Right Dusty,

A Scrum   is a method for the two teams to compete for possession of the ball. Here is a short vid that tells you all about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nH5mi1H8lgs

TMO or "Video referee", a television match official may be appointed to assist the referee in determining whether points have been scored. A television match official can only rule on exactly what the referee asks them (and in most unions they can only be asked about events in-goal or immediately before entering in-goal). Television match officials are commonly used in first class and international televised games. (quoting wikipedia)

Got barged off the field In Rugby you are only allowed to physically have at an opposing player if he has the ball. There is a fair bit of accidental or unavoidable contact which is generally ignored but if the Ref thinks it's deliberate he can react quite strongly, including "yellow carding" you which sends you off the field for 10 minutes.  If you do something deliberate like punch someone in the snout, you can get 'red carded' which means you are off for the rest of the game, and possibly more if there is a follow up later. In neither case can anyone be subbed on in your place.

There now, does that help?
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: guzzimike on October 22, 2015, 08:16:03 PM
We ( ARGENTINA ) are doing well.  Hopefully our team Captain ( Creevy ) will be back for the OZ game.

If we get past that  one fairly undamaged, I like our chances vs the Haka-Boys.


Looking good, so far.   :cool:   :boozing:


-
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: mikebr on October 22, 2015, 08:28:14 PM
Go All Blacks, playing against South Africa will be a hard game.
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: johnr on October 22, 2015, 10:10:08 PM
Go All Blacks, playing against South Africa will be a hard game.

I agree. I wouldn't like to try and predict the outcome either.
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: balvenie on October 22, 2015, 10:30:15 PM
              I am surprised that Argentina has done so well, seeing that we beat them not so long ago. After the narrow squeak against Scotland, I hope our boys are on their mettle.
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: oldbike54 on October 22, 2015, 10:34:08 PM
Right Dusty,

A Scrum   is a method for the two teams to compete for possession of the ball. Here is a short vid that tells you all about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nH5mi1H8lgs

TMO or "Video referee", a television match official may be appointed to assist the referee in determining whether points have been scored. A television match official can only rule on exactly what the referee asks them (and in most unions they can only be asked about events in-goal or immediately before entering in-goal). Television match officials are commonly used in first class and international televised games. (quoting wikipedia)

Got barged off the field In Rugby you are only allowed to physically have at an opposing player if he has the ball. There is a fair bit of accidental or unavoidable contact which is generally ignored but if the Ref thinks it's deliberate he can react quite strongly, including "yellow carding" you which sends you off the field for 10 minutes.  If you do something deliberate like punch someone in the snout, you can get 'red carded' which means you are off for the rest of the game, and possibly more if there is a follow up later. In neither case can anyone be subbed on in your place.

There now, does that help?

 Got it , thanks John  :thumb:

  Dusty
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: ScepticalScotty on October 23, 2015, 05:19:45 PM
If you want to be really confused, try;

"yeah he wasn't coming through the gate"

"slipping the bind"

"the dark arts"

"hands in the ruck"

"swimming up the side of the maul"

 :evil:

I'm quite worried about the game against Argentina but with HeMan Pocock and Duracell Bunny Hooper we should be OK.
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: oldbike54 on October 24, 2015, 05:40:02 PM
 Well how about that , the All Blacks prevailed over S.A. in a hard fought match , good job boys  :thumb:

  Dusty
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: PJPR01 on October 24, 2015, 06:22:36 PM
A tough game I gather as they two stepped their way to victory, now that I'm done playing outdoors I have to find the channel to watch the replay.  Definitely want to watch the Argentina match tomorrow though! 
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: balvenie on October 24, 2015, 08:54:24 PM
Those All Blacks are tough even with a man in the sin bin, or should I say Especially.
And how about Richie McCaw (hope I spelled that right) lobbing an overhead pass to another forward who scored like a winger in the corner :grin:
But first we have to get past the Argies......../color]
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: johnr on October 25, 2015, 01:25:54 AM
A sigh of relief all round, though a close call indeed.  I wonder who we are going to be playing in the final?
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: PJPR01 on October 25, 2015, 01:05:36 PM
Well...there you have it.   Good scrappy game, but the Argentines made too many unforced turnovers.  Several opportunities to get close, but the Australian defense was incredible.

Going to be one Hell of a Final!!
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: oldbike54 on October 25, 2015, 01:11:34 PM
 Oh hell , Ozzies VS Kiwis  :popcorn: Good thing they like each other , although having a 1200 mile wide ditch between is probably a good thing  :grin:


                                                                     Ozzie Ozzie Ozzie , oy oy oy


                                                                                    Ka Mate

 Just covering myself here  :grin:

 
  Dusty
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: johnr on October 25, 2015, 03:16:00 PM
Like each other Dusty? Hmm, well yes, Kiwis form I believe the largest sub culture in Oz, but there have been a few bones of contention of late. 

When it comes to sport though they are a country we love to beat.

Personally I would have preferred that we faced the Argies in the final, mainly because I think we would have a better chance of beating them than the Ozzies.

The Argies have had a pretty good campaign and should feel pleased with themselves having made the semi finals.
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: oldbike54 on October 25, 2015, 03:26:06 PM
 OK OK John , "tolerate" each other then  :laugh: Will this match effect the Earth's orbit around the Sun ?  :boxing:

  Dusty
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: injundave on October 25, 2015, 03:53:09 PM
If the All Blacks lose, definitely.
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: johnr on October 25, 2015, 04:51:50 PM
If the All Blacks lose, definitely.

True indeed! That would count as a global disaster of biblical proportions!
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: balvenie on October 25, 2015, 07:52:20 PM
           Michael Cheika has turned our blokes into a real team and I await next week's meeting with bated breath.
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: guzzler on October 26, 2015, 02:37:05 AM
True indeed! That would count as a global disaster of biblical proportions!
Ha ha
As a Kiwi living in Australia,it most certainly would!!!
Go the All Blacks!
Cheers Guzzler.
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: SPEIRMOOR on October 29, 2015, 06:51:41 AM
Looking forward to the Final but do we really need the runner up game between Arg and SA? I cant believe the players or fans are really in to it
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: johnr on October 29, 2015, 05:12:21 PM
Looking forward to the Final but do we really need the runner up game between Arg and SA? I cant believe the players or fans are really in to it

Well it does determine who comes 3rd and 4th. I suspect also it has something to do with providing something for the hordes of fans over there, not all of whom will be fans of the ABs or the Ozzies, and not all of whom will be able to go to the final.
It may also be something to do with making a bit of dosh.

I'm looking forward to the final too, though I would hate to call it.
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: balvenie on October 29, 2015, 07:35:42 PM
I'm looking forward to the final too, though I would hate to call it.

It's amazing who is into it now. Chuck Norris has "called it" and he is on our side :shocked: :undecided:
I'm not too sure what to think about that. Has he put the mockers on us? I don't know.
I'm going to take a few deep breaths :grin:
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: oldbike54 on October 29, 2015, 07:40:16 PM
It's amazing who is into it now. Chuck Norris has "called it" and he is on our side :shocked: :undecided:
I'm not too sure what to think about that. Has he put the mockers on us? I don't know.
I'm going to take a few deep breaths :grin:

 Chuck Norris  :huh: Surely not the same ex karate guy from Oklahoma that became the world's worst actor ?

 OK Bill , help your mate out , "put the mockers on us" ?

  Dusty
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: balvenie on October 29, 2015, 10:31:44 PM
To put the mockers on = To jinx someone

He just isn't the kind of bloke that you would expect to know anything about rugby, is he? :grin: and seeing the publicity he got strikes me as bizarre.

Come to think of it (which I probably wasn't doing very deeply in the first place) I think I'm being paranoid in paying any attention to him at all. Thanks for making me think Dusty; you rescued me from my delusion :thumb:
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: oldbike54 on October 29, 2015, 10:41:14 PM
To put the mockers on = To jinx someone

He just isn't the kind of bloke that you would expect to know anything about rugby, is he? :grin: and seeing the publicity he got strikes me as bizarre.

Come to think of it (which I probably wasn't doing very deeply in the first place) I think I'm being paranoid in paying any attention to him at all. Thanks for making me think Dusty; you rescued me from my delusion :thumb:

 So it is the Okie , dang , how in the heck did he end up having any influence on Rugby  :shocked: Don't give him to much thought , just another boy from Oklahoma . Actually , he is a nice enough guy , kind of Clint Eastwood with no acting talent :grin:

  Dusty
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: balvenie on October 30, 2015, 04:04:56 AM
Clint surprised me by directing some very good movies. Good for him.
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: johnr on October 30, 2015, 04:18:39 AM
OK. I can't resist.

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb116/johnr39/Rugby.jpg) (http://s210.photobucket.com/user/johnr39/media/Rugby.jpg.html)
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: oldbike54 on October 30, 2015, 09:41:38 AM
OK. I can't resist.

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb116/johnr39/Rugby.jpg) (http://s210.photobucket.com/user/johnr39/media/Rugby.jpg.html)

  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

  Dusty
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: SPEIRMOOR on October 30, 2015, 01:00:48 PM
NZ 4/9 vs Aus 9/4 at the bookies. I thought it would be closer.
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: pete mcgee on October 30, 2015, 05:13:59 PM
We have a bit of a hoodoo against the AB's, mainly when playing in UnZed (NZ), so in England we have much better odds.
One way or another it will be a brillant game.
Rumour has it Christchurch will slide off into the ocean if the AB's loose.........
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: johnr on October 30, 2015, 09:00:08 PM
We have a bit of a hoodoo against the AB's, mainly when playing in UnZed (NZ), so in England we have much better odds.
One way or another it will be a brillant game.
Rumour has it Christchurch will slide off into the ocean if the AB's loose.........

That would be a bit sad. Wouldn't matter so much if it was Auckland.
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: oldbike54 on October 30, 2015, 09:05:16 PM
That would be a bit sad. Wouldn't matter so much if it was Auckland.

 Yeah , we don't know anyone in Auckland  :laugh: Weird , never paid much attention to Rugby , you guys make it fun and interesting  :bow:

  Dusty
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: mikebr on October 31, 2015, 01:21:34 PM
Well Done All Blacks  :thumb: Ladies and gentlemen, your Rugby World Cup 2015 Champions - All Blacks. 34-17

What an awesome game, well played and well deserved win....Such a legend Richie McCaw you will be missed.
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: ScepticalScotty on October 31, 2015, 02:14:37 PM
Not too annoyed to be beaten by the worlds best team playing a perfect game. For NZ, they win the RWC for the 3rd time and a few of them join an exclusive club of people (all Aussies until now) who have one it twice.

My team the Wallabies were beaten by a better team on the day, and for the Wallabies the future begins NOW. 1 Year is no time at all to go from 8th in the world to 2nd. Now lets move on and do better.  :grin:
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: lazlokovacs on October 31, 2015, 03:47:47 PM
absolutely brilliant final, just great rugby, two excellent teams giving it their all

from a neutral's perspective...
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: Spuddy on October 31, 2015, 03:57:02 PM
I can't believe that the final was on network TV!  I think that is a first for the states. Great game.  For the most part, closer than the score indicated.  Still, having played in the olden days, I am amazed how the game has / rules have changed.  Even GPS/heart rate monitors in the uniforms.   Now when WE played.....

Spud
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: PJPR01 on October 31, 2015, 05:00:01 PM
Excellent game...hardly any mistakes from either side by the looks of it.  These guys are TOUGH!  So much fun to watch...I'm beginning to enjoy Rugby even more than US Football...The kicks were impeccable, and that last punt downfield for the final try was brilliant.

Congrats to the All Blacks...3rd time champions!
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: johnr on October 31, 2015, 05:12:12 PM
  Even GPS/heart rate monitors in the uniforms.   Now when WE played.....

Spud

Well  a few too many people fell over dead on the field I suppose. 

For my part, I've yet to see the game, but, Well done the ABs, 2nd in a row. (Has that been done before?)

Glad to hear it was on the networks in the US.

PJPR01
Quote
I'm beginning to enjoy Rugby even more than US Football

As you should PJPR01, as you should!
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: Pancake on October 31, 2015, 05:39:39 PM
What a stunning match. The Aussies were really good and took good advantage when the ABs were a man down but they were playing such an awe inspiring team that there is no shame in getting beaten by them.
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: balvenie on October 31, 2015, 07:19:41 PM
            The All Blacks have always been heartbreakers, the way they turn defence into attack by capitalising on the slightest mistake. We were beaten by a much better side and were only as good as the ABs let us play. When we did get the ball, we were danderous but our overall game was not up to the standard. Ah well, thems the breaks.
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: Muzz on October 31, 2015, 11:06:41 PM
Must admit to being a bit nervous between the 60 and 70 minute mark, being a man down and the Ozzies on a roll.  Then those "where the hang did that come from" moments that make the scoreline look a lot wider than it should have been.

A close and hard fought game.
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: oldbike54 on October 31, 2015, 11:16:15 PM
 Congratulations to our Kiwi friends , and also to our Ozzies , well done mates  :bow:

 Dusty
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: SPEIRMOOR on October 31, 2015, 11:35:50 PM
Great game. Carter was outstanding. Just saw Sonny Bill give his medal to a kid who ran out on to the field during the celebrations. What a great gesture.
Australia were terrific also they never gave up. I thought they were going to take the lead during the sinbinning.
What more can you say its been an amazing tournament
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: johnr on November 02, 2015, 09:09:13 AM
A couple of minutes of highlights here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ5R-0l7wdY

After match joy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUTuJjv5UiA

Sony Bill Williams giving away his medal (they gave him another one the next night)
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/photos-videos/news/video.cfm?c_id=1503586&gal_cid=1503586&gallery_id=155459

Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: oldbike54 on November 02, 2015, 09:16:52 AM
 Sonny Bill is my new hero  :bow:

  Dusty
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: azguzzirep on November 03, 2015, 04:00:12 AM
okay, I watched the game, IN NZ!!

It came on at 5am, and our room was in an Inn over a bar. The local were there and drinking already. Sue stayed in bed. I had a coffee and watched it all.

WHAT A HOOT!!  I was in the right place at the right time!!!

The second half was exciting!  Good on the All Blacks, putting on a strong defense! Now to get an All Blacks cap to wear to OZ next week!

Tom
Title: Re: It's Rugby world Cup time again
Post by: johnr on November 03, 2015, 08:05:51 AM
That would have been fun Tom.
Any chance you are making it to the deep South while you are here?