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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: lucydad on December 19, 2015, 09:47:02 AM
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All,
On my mind sometime in the spring of 2016 will be a "retirement vehicle". Right now I have the left-over red Mazda 3, 2008, daughter's college car (both of them), with 103K miles. Good little car, but I would not want to take it cross-country.
My interests are wildly divergent. The current short list: 1) Mazda CX-5 SUV, 2) Mazda Miata (?)--new version, 3) Porsche Cayman S (2008 or so), 4) perhaps a small truck (do they even make those anymore) 5) something else I have not considered.
Criteria are: safety, practicality, fun, poodle hauler, reliability, and cost of ownership. Ms. LD has a 2014 Lexus RX 350 SUV: fantastic machine. She does not let me drive it. Might even look for another one of those? I like being up high and love the air conditioned front seats and all the safety gadgets. In retirement I no longer commute. My monthly car mileage has probably dropped to no more than 100 miles? A lot of my driving is into Houston heavy traffic though, safety is paramount.
It is the old head or heart dilemma. I won't let myself have two cars. And I want to keep the next vehicle for probably 7-10 years. Style matters to me a lot, I love beautiful cars. And same with engines, like them to sing, and it has to be a manual transmission.
Head says CX-5 or a used Lexus type SUV.
Heart says the little sports car with the manual transmission. I came really close to pulling the trigger on a used Cayman last year, lack of a second key killed it, and the car was overpriced a bit and needed a decent stereo system with XM radio replacement. The new Miatas are in stock, and pretty much sitting. Saw just one on the road. With the big Houston oil crash: this is a superb time to pick up really quality used cars. Young professionals buy expensive cars, lose their jobs, then sell when payments can't be made. Have to be very careful about "flood cars" in Houston. Last May we had another huge flood event: results in some real junk being re-sold.
German cars give me the goose-step-kick-in-ass pain. Both the 1977 VW Scirocco and 2002 BMW 330i I owned were huge disappointments. Designs were fantastic, but reliability and maintenance were night mares. Both cars stranded me, the VW several times. Experiences with Japanese cars, especially Miata, have been excellent.
My buddy Ed has three cars and is about to add a new Corvette C7 (70th birthday). His four car garage helps. I owned a 1984 Corvette, fun car, but underpowered and terrible 4-speed manual. Newer Corvettes do interest me, including the sharp C6, and there a lot of used ones floating around.
None of the sports cars are poodle haulers though. But Ms LDs can fulfill that role. Hmm, another possible criteria: ability to drive into the Colorado cabin road--a typical car has enough clearance, but I wonder about a sports car. But, mostly I fly to ABQ and rent a car for those trips since the drive is so long across all of TX and all of NM.
Last thought: a Subaru wagon. Had one living in Colorado, and loved it, but heard new high compression engines leak oil. Another SUV of interest is the Toyota RAV. Friend in Durango has a 4WD version and loves it. Very pretty car.
Oh well, painters are here finishing up the interior of the house we are selling. Looking more promising we will have loan approval on the new house early next week. Builder still is confident in walk thru next Wednesday and closing 12/29. Three car garage and motorcycle bump-out gives options. Thinking about cars is good for morale. This week has been house hell on both ends.
Hmm, would poodles fit in back of a Porsche 911? Almost bought a gold 1986 Carerra while in Lafayette. Oil downswing killed that idea.
Apologies for the long posting, thinking on a PC, I tend to do that. This forum crowd has a lot of smart and experienced guys that love cars. So, comments are welcome. Time to walk poodles.
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love our 2015 subaru outback, goes anywhere, excellent safety ratings 5 star +. never heard of any oil leaking issues. put over 20k on it this first year.
this is our 5th subaru. only traded in the others for upgrades.
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WRX or WRX STI. Hauls everything, including the mail! :grin:
My 2 cents.
John Henry
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If I look at your criteria and not necessarily the cars you listed, I would suggest a new Mazda 3, top of the line with 2.5 liter engine and a manual (but the automatic is supposed to be a good one too). I bought one last year and love it. Japanese reliability, really fun car, practical, just all around great. The handle is almost BMW precise. Also, I traded a Volvo for it and the Mazda seats are even better than the Volvo's, which I didn't think was possible.
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My buddy Ed has three cars and is about to add a new Corvette C7 (70th birthday). His four car garage helps. I owned a 1984 Corvette, fun car, but underpowered and terrible 4-speed manual. Newer Corvettes do interest me, including the sharp C6, and there a lot of used ones floating around.
C7 answered my needs. 32-34 mpg on the highway. I've done 13,000 miles of long distance touring with no regrets. More trunk space then smaller cars and all the motor (460 hp) anyone in their right mind needs. The C6's are good buys as the owners move into the 7's. Drive both and see why.
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Poodles will easily fit in the Porsche...my 80 lb Labrador rides up front...haunches on the seat, chin on the dashboard for viewing pleasure.
Another idea...just a thought to consider is buying an SUV which can haul a motorcycle trailer...so you can drive in comfort, bring along the motorcycle with you when you go to Colorado or Oklahoma or other places where the ride out might be too long on the bike...best of both worlds. Nothing like riding Durango to Silverton to Ouray, over to Ridgeway, Telluride and then up to Gateway...pics of the V7 on those roads will put a smile on your face!!
If you're interested in seeing the trailer I've got Greg...let me know...it has made several trips out with me...
I'd say splurge a bit in retirement, or you could always buy an SUV/ Trailer combo and lease a smaller sports car...giving you the out after a few years if you don't want to keep it...
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You mention a Lexus SUV. The smaller RXs could meet all your criteria. Sit high and have excellent performance all around. Take a test ride in one. I only know three Suburu owners including one WRX. All have had serious mechanical problems within 3 years of owner ship. Heavy oil consumption or failed transmissions. All adult (read old fart) driven.
Ooops, just noticed the misses already has one. Never mind.
Pete
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Had a Subaru Outback with all the bells and whistles. Leaks oil from head gaskets. Dealer repaired them... Three times within a year. After the second repair the head gadgets ruptured as I drove the car out of the dealers driveway... Oil gushing from the bottom of the car. No more subarus for mr, can't recommend them as durable or reliable.
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3.8 Liter XKE . Enzo Ferrari said the early E type was the most beautiful car ever built , he should know. All other sports cars are really kinda boring :evil:
OK , back in the real world , Subaru . Name it Bailey :wink:
Dusty
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Lets see -- style matters a lot, you want it to sing, and you want a stick. When I quit working, I bought a CPO Porsche Cayman. Down 50 hp from the S version, but it has plenty; Porsches aren't dragsters. Also about $10 K less, and rides better. Of course, in these parts and with a steep, curved driveway, the Cayman wasn't going to cut it in the winter, so I got an all-wheel drive BMW 3 series sport wagon with 80,000 miles as my winter/utility car. I don't put a lot of mileage on either car since I use my bikes for 90 % of my transportation three seasons of the year, and frequently in the winter. But when I do drive the Cayman, I'm reminded that Porsches are not like other cars.
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WRX or WRX STI. Hauls everything, including the mail! :grin:
My 2 cents.
John Henry
Second that big time. Just turned 120K miles in my 2011 WRX, just replaced the clutch (inc/new lighter solid flywheel!) and aside from timing belt and brakes (normal stuff) no work required. And the thing runs and "feels" better than when it was new. Great cars, however I have no experience with the new 2.0 liter models.
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I'm having a problem taking the question seriously when you consider a Miata or CX-5 in the same conversation as a Lexus or Porsche and then mention reliability and cost of ownership.
For cost of the high end stuff you could buy the low end stuff twice and not care about reliability.
I'm gonna approach this a different way. What's the budget and work from there.
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I am looking for a C6 myself.
Not sure I want to pull the trigger on a C7 or the new Camaro SS.
But I am only kicking tires. :violent1:
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I'm very happy with my '14 Forester, basic model. Dog friendly, excellent visibility, reasonably nimble, and good in the snow. I think the problem with oil leaks has been fixed--I have 33k mi and no problems.
Rich A
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Rokon
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Kev,
Spoken like an engineer. Budget will be $50K, out the door including tax, title, license.
Yep, my brain is like a pool table with balls ricocheting all over the place. Free thinking, and lots of options.
Oh, and it is likely we will stay put in Sugar Land for at least ten years given the investment in the new retirement house.
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Kev,
Spoken like an engineer. Budget will be $50K, out the door including tax, title, license.
Yep, my brain is like a pool table with balls ricocheting all over the place. Free thinking, and lots of options.
Oh, and it is likely we will stay put in Sugar Land for at least ten years given the investment in the new retirement house.
Great, that budget allows for a lot of new and lightly used cars.
Next question, rank your priorities 1-6 (most to least important):
safety, practicality, fun, poodle hauler, reliability, and cost of ownership ???
This should help narrow down the field.
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Budget will be $50K, out the door including tax, title, license.
Yep, my brain is like a pool table with balls ricocheting all over the place. Free thinking, and lots of options.
Yup, You need to narrow down if your looking for a practical (boring) daily driver or something exciting that makes you want to ...run out to the garage and come up with an excuse to go somewhere. Your wife's Lexus covers you for practical. You need something you two can drop the top on, load in the pooch and go for a cruise.
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Kev,
Excellent point on priorities.
safety, practicality, fun, poodle hauler, reliability, and cost of ownership
My rank: with comments
safety-- face it Houston is risky and speeds are high, ABS and proximity indicators are helpful, so are modern airbags, and good visibility
reliability-- fed up with the twitchy BMW, fan of Japanese cars
fun-- been a long time since I had a fun car
practicality-- we do have the Lexus RX 350 in the garage, maybe if I was nicer to Ms LD she might share it ?
cost-- the insane repair costs of a unreliable car have burned me, part of that was a poor choice in maintenance for the BMW (Firestone mainly)--Houston has lots of dealers, some better than others, and I do not want to drive an hour across town for repairs
poodles--mostly their trips are to/from the veterinarian or dog park....so in reality...low rank.
Ms. LD used to love my old Corvette. So she is on board with a convertible sports car.
Just looked at US News and their rankings. Man, they love the new Miata. New Camaro and Mustangs are also high ranked. I might be open to a domestic car, but not a Dodge given horrid past experience with Grand Caravan.
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I, too, love fast, sporty cars. But if I could have only one vehicle, it would be a crew cab pick up truck. Frankly, I don't know how people get by without owning a pick up truck.
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Sounds like you're talking about a Japanese Sports car.
The Miata is a great candidate, but I wonder if your penchant for power would suggest considering something like a Nissan 370Z would fit the bill better, the NISMO maybe.
Other candidates could include the WRX (my favorite, the redesign last year is said to really have improved it all), or maybe the Lexus RC.
I kind like Infinitis these days, I wonder if a Q60 might fit the bill.
That said I would also list the new Focus RS cause it's basically a European hooligan hatchback but should be pretty darn reliable and available loaded for about $40k. I think I've mentioned a couple of times that if I hadn't decided to go a totally different direction with a new Wrangler Unlimited then I would have bought either the WRX or the Focus RS.
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We have had our 2015 Subaru Outback for a year now. Best machine we've ever owned.
No issues other than fighting over who gets to drive it!
She has the 3.6 six with auto/manual tranny. Auto around town, manual when playin in
the mountains. Quite fun playing in the snow!!
Woudn't hesitate buying another one but a V7II is next.....
There are a lot of good choices...the Outback is best for us. Enjoy whatever you decide on!
Ride safe and often,
Jeff
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Read up on the new Ford Focus RS. Given what you have in mind, I'd wait to see/drive one before I bought anything new. Racer boy car yes, but looks to be a pisser.
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We have 3 Mini Coopers. Great fun to drive, great second hand prices, and cheap to own.
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We just bought a very slightly used Outback with the 3.6 engine. Paddle shifting is cool and it seems no different than a conventional manual transmission. I haven't used it long enough to guess if there is a difference in mileage. I test road the 2.5 with the the CVT transmission and the engine feels underpowered, the tranny is weird and I wanted to tow a bike so that wasn't going to fly. I did test ride one with Eyesight and the buzzing drove me crazy in a short ride but you might want it. Evidently there is a way to turn it off or kill the beeping. Insurance is supposedly cheaper with it, but not by much; I take it that the insurance companies are not impressed.
I researched the oil issue and it wasn't really a problem on the 3.6's and mine hasn't used a drop of oil.
Car has heated leather seats but no cooling option and all the normal bells and whistles. Gas mileage is typical for this sized car which is not great but not terrible.
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Get a nice little roadster that you could lose your toupe with.. :thumb:
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:popcorn:
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recall and recall and recall. NO WAY NO HOW
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Just got my retirement drive, a 2000 Jeep Cherokee 4WD, 2 door, 63K mi, one owner. It's my 4th 4.0 MJ. Don't want to learn about a new vehicle. Plenty of these out there too.
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You're retired? Time to get a DeSoto.
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How about a Unimog? http://www.unimog.net/exchange/
You can add about any accessories you want. People won't want to bump into you in Houston traffic and if they do, you may not even notice!
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Ok, you have $50k to spend.
Get the base Miata and send it to Fly'n Miata in Colorado for a suspension and turbo upgrade.
https://www.flyinmiata.com/
Bet you might have a few bucks left over to buy a beater to haul the dog around.
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Quite an interesting range.
The Cayman is a great choice....except, have you ever sat in one? No room for anything but two people. Suitcase? Maybe a little one or two. As a sports car it is wonderful. But, as an only car I would not. And this is from someone who LOVES mid-engine cars. I'd rather admit the minimal approach and get a Lotus. FYI, if you have not driven a low sports car in city traffic, try it first. Like being blind most of the time. And, like a motorcycle, NO ONE SEES YOU.
If you ever think about having dogs in the vehicle then at least a rear seat is important. I'd go with one of two choices mentioned above. Mini Cooper or WRX. Have owned both (2002 that my daughter still has and a Mini Clubman that we traded off). Both were automatic and turbocharged. The Mini got better mileage and the Clubbie was perfect for med size dogs (our Old English Sheepdog outgrew it :) ). The WRX was a great car for me. The early automatic was not that great. The newer ones are more refined. I think they even toned down the STi suspension so it doesn't kill you on city streets anymore. An alternative these days is the BRZ if you want two seats and RWD, but, I'd only get one if they have the turbocharger. Miata is also a good choice, especially with some mods.
You also mention SUV's and traffic. For driving in traffic I like my truck (3/4T 4WD). High up so you can see further over the tops of most cars. When I go from it to a car I feel blind. I would not get a diesel, but would look at the 3/4T. The extended cab (not 'mega cab') is great for extra people or dogs (our Sheepie loves it), but, it can be difficult to park in tight spaces, like any larger SUV. Mileage basically sucks. 17-18mpg in city, 20mpg on highway if I stay at 70 or lower.
Have fun with your choices.
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Consider a c-6. Low mileage, steeply depreviated, true high performance, proven reliability. Use the rest of your budget for fly and ride vacations.
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C7 answered my needs. 32-34 mpg on the highway. I've done 13,000 miles of long distance touring with no regrets. More trunk space then smaller cars and all the motor (460 hp) anyone in their right mind needs. The C6's are good buys as the owners move into the 7's. Drive both and see why.
John, my son has a C 6. a 2007 Z o6 . you have owned both a c 6 and currently a c7.... what do you see as differences /improvements ?I kinda like the C 6s looks better myself, looks more compact, cleaner style. what are your opinions?
Rick.
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Had an SUV; hated it
It handled like a wheel barrow full of water
I have an MX 5; love it
Also just bought a VW Golf Sportwagon TSI
great car lots of space plenty of go
And it's not built with love so I don't have to wear a flannel shirt
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John, my son has a C 6. a 2007 Z o6 . you have owned both a c 6 and currently a c7....I what are your opinions?
Rick.
Hi Rick, I skipped the C4,5,6 series. My current C3 is having it's 25th birthday with me next month. I've had C3's since college. The new C7's grabbed me with their retro look of the C3. The only negative I read is from tall C6 owners who feel it's cramped. Others claim the step up was worth every penny. I believe there are only two parts that came from the C6 to the 7.
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John, my son has a C 6. a 2007 Z o6 . you have owned both a c 6 and currently a c7.... what do you see as differences /improvements ?I kinda like the C 6s looks better myself, looks more compact, cleaner style. what are your opinions?
Rick.
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and must have removable targa roof too.
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Interesting comment. Have you owned a convertible before, or a targa or sunroof? Did you use it much?
I've had all three and rarely put the tops down or slid the sunroofs open on any of them. Partly because if I do I either have to wear a hat or put on gobs of sunscreen. Neither of which I like to do when driving a car. Then there is just the noise of the wind, dust, bits kicked up from car and truck tires, etc. Too much for when I don't want to ride the bike.
The idea of a convertible is nice, but, I want a hardtop.
[note: when on the bike I have a full fairing, FF helmet, jacket, gloves, etc to protect me from those same elements]
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Convertible was a must.. I "suffered" with T-tops for 25 years. I had rag tops earlier and love the open air experience.
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I love the t-tops on my z/28, likewise moonroof on the Accord. If I consider a C6, it would definitely be a targa. I know some of the performance model C6 have a fixed roof, not sure of which models. BTW- I am not interested in used car with a supercharger, just too much performance and worries $$. I think I'll be fine with 425 hp.
C7 is really nice. But I like the idea of finding a nice used C6 too. Many have of them been pampered and depreciated. I do like the simple looks as well.
The other plan is to just put some upgrades in the Z. It's served me well with 165k miles.
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New CX-5 over all the others. You were thinking right . High end used cars are still high end to maintain and especially to repair and insure.
Your instinct was the CX-5, you'll probably be pleased with it when you buy it and 5 years from now too.
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Don't most ppl lease high end cars two to three years and they get another new one.
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Quite an interesting range.
The Cayman is a great choice....except, have you ever sat in one? No room for anything but two people. Suitcase? Maybe a little one or two. As a sports car it is wonderful.
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Humm... Since it's a mid-engine and has two trunks more than enough room. I fit my golf clubs in the rear along with shoes and more. Standard suit case in the front.
I don't pack any make-up kit.
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Ask yourself....what do you want? My father wanted a new Mercedes 450SL back in the 70's. We'd stop at the dealer on the way home from church and dream. He wasted years leasing 2 Caddies at a time until he realized at almost 80 years old he only needed one daily driver and purchased the 40 year old car he always wanted.
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Was looking @ used Corvettes, then I seen the Norge...... :boozing:
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I've put 90,000 trouble-free miles on a 2012 Honda PILOT 4WD.
Even pulled a 3,000 lb RV with it.
This SUV still impresses me daily.
'Geezer
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LD, if you have not done so....take a look at the Fiat 500 series. The 500 Abarth is one hell of a hotrod and they depreciate so fast that a used one with low mileage can be a real bargain. I have a 500L and really like the extra two doors. The 500L has the same turbo engine as the Abarth, just not that filling rattling suspension. On a trip I get 40 mpg with regular gas! Around town I can still get a bit of punch by letting the turbo spin up and do its thing.
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My retirement vehicle is a Caddi DTS.. have never regretted the decision. Smooth, quiet, comfortable and enough ponies to hold my own with anything in traffic. Gets 20+ mpg but that is a small concern, even if gas goes to $5 it's still the cheapest part of owning a car.
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All,
Wow as usual for the forum responses. Applause and thanks!
Trigger will get pulled sometime early March or so. I have tested the Mazda CX 5 (impressed) and a Cayman (very impressed). What the plan is to test some more cars for impressions: head and heart. Short list will be likely a MX 5 Miata, Cayman S, maybe a C6 Corvette, perhaps a Cooper Mini. No rush. Saw a WRX today: just can't stomach the looks.
Every time I see a Porsche my heart goes pitty-pat. Gorgeous yellow 911 twisted my neck yesterday.
Took the Triumph STRX out for a long, fast ride today, needed that stress buster. Windy though, and it is always good to look back on a vigorous ride and enjoy the after endorphins. I love fast, powerful machines. We had some fun.
Oh and saw an old SS Camaro today, around a 1966. Damn. The realization is that most cars sold in the 21st century do ZERO for me as far as that elusive "look". Guess I am old. Style matters. Saw a local guy today that had his Ferrari California out for a spin. Damn.
When we lived in Colorado, before moving to Africa, and had a 3 car garage the solution was my 1984 Corvette and a Subaru 4WD wagon. Worked for me. My slow as a turtle in cold mud brain realized today though: uh, maybe just keep the old Mazda 3 as my beater, and buy a true sports car for the fun and hell of it? Hmmm. Or get a beater truck?
Thanks again.
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Every time I see a Porsche my heart goes pitty-pat. Gorgeous yellow 911 twisted my neck yesterday.
Winner-winner chicken.........
That's what you need then. You slaved away for 40+ years. Treat yourself.
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If it were I it would be something along the lines of one of these..
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Abarth 695 Ferrari Tributo or Abarth Maserati Addition.
Small, practical , elegant , exclusive , Italian and 260 whp from a 2500lbs car. One of those would set you back maybe 35k$ . Car plus the 8-10k$ kit .
I have a tweaked Abarth with 210 at the wheel which is impressive.
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I agree on the 911. If the budget wont allow it you could consider the Alfa Romeo 4c or even the new Fiat 124.
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Winner-winner chicken.........
That's what you need then. You slaved away for 40+ years. Treat yourself.
Honestly this is right.
I no longer believe your priority list and that's cool.
Time to own up to it yourself.
Besides, car and motorcycle purchases shouldn't be made with the head... They should be made with the heart.
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Greg , you know where I stand on the Mary Ann/Ginger issue :laugh:
Dusty
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Before you could afford it, what car did you lust after? Say when you were 18 or even 30. Consider that one.
Regarding the WRX, make sure you look at the hatchback - the sedan's styling turns me away too.
In the opposite corner of the universe, I just bought two cars for about $5-6k each. A Chrysler Pacifica and a Suzuki SX4. In their own way, and for that money, both are FUN. But I suppose I have a warped sense of fun. They both look good to my eye as well.
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Regarding the WRX, make sure you look at the hatchback - the sedan's styling turns me away too.
There has been no hatch since the 2015 redesign, and WRX's are probably a bad car to pick up used since the probability they were thorough thrashed goes up exponentially over many other sporty cars.
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Retiring. You deserve a Cayman. I am semi-retired and just bought a Boxster. It is time to have fun. With that budget, I would get a 2009 or later to get the 9A1 engine. Cayman's and Boxsters have lots of room contrary to what some may say. You have both front and rear trunks - a lot more room than a Miata. They are actually quite nice for traveling with 2 people. You will not find a better balanced driver's car for anywhere near that price. Do you want to retire with a fun car or econo/suv/box?
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Gary, all:
Gary, thanks for the comment on the Cayman engine. I will remember.
Ok, the plan:
1) wait until we are in the new house, and Ms. LD has most of her desired furniture, landscaping and such
2) as she is shopping for the furniture, bring up the concept: share her Lexus, and I would share the sports car, sell/trade/donate the Mazda3
3) go test the new Miata and also go test a Cayman S (I only tried a 2008 base Cayman)--
4) if the Miata wins, it will be a loaded top of the line, new::: if the Cayman wins, it will have to be a splendid used example, probably 2009-2010 model year, and low mileage, and very well cared for
5) color matters a lot to me, I do not like dark colors although a solid medium red is ok, favorites are white/yellow.
The SUV, well we have one in the Lexus RX 350. A key is Ms LD, and I think she would love driving either a Miata or Cayman S. The Miata is a convertible. The new manual top design looks easy, but a question: how loud is it at speed, and how does it insulate in our horrid hot/humid Houston summers? Is the AC strong enough? Cayman S is not a flip top, with pros and cons.
Time to go pick both daughters up at airport. Flying in from NYC. The house is about to get loud and fun. Poodles will go wild and be incredibly happy.
Oh and when I was in college my friend Jim R. lusted after a Porsche. We were about 19 years old. Planted the seed then. And I almost bought a 911 while in Lafayette, but yet another oil crash killed that, with office closure, two layoffs survived, and move to Houston with small kids, then more layoffs. I don't have to worry about layoffs or educating daughters anymore.
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....and we're back to the original recommendation from several months ago, but now with a few more board members providing their confirmation of the 911.
It's inescapable Greg...it's meant to be! :)
If you want to go for a test drive one day just to see what it feels like, give me a ring. Zoom zoom:)
Have fun, enjoy the Holidays and hope you guys get a few rides in while I'm gone...
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Since you asked for advice, mine is buy a 911 because that's what you really want. After you've gotten out of your system you can sell it for little to no loss, you'll lose more on the cayman would be my guess. Or, you can do like my father-in-law did, buy the 911 new when your in your 20s (it's a 1968 911L) and keep it forever until you have grandkids to stand in front of it. I rode in it last weekend to a local car show, lots' of fun.
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Paul , did the authorities finally catch up with you ? :grin:
Dustu
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Paul , did the authorities finally catch up with you ? :grin: Dustu
Only when I slowed down enough for them to do so and give them a nice wave!! :)
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Only when I slowed down enough for them to do so and give them a nice wave!! :)
:laugh: Thought maybe that's why you were going away :shocked:
Dusty
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:laugh: Thought maybe that's why you were going away :shocked: Dusty
Aha! Just vacation plans to a warm and sunny place for a while...leaving the cold and wet behind for a couple of weeks. :)
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Aha! Just vacation plans to a warm and sunny place for a while...leaving the cold and wet behind for a couple of weeks. :)
Sometimes even I don't get my cryptic sense of humor :rolleyes:
Dusty
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Good thing we know someone who can translate for us! :)
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You should get a Grandpa Car, easy to get out of, enough room, you can always tow a trailer if you need more capacity. Gas mileage is ok at 20 mpg. Of course it will be used and you want the 6 speed manual. You can get it in white if you don't want to stand out. I've had my "V" for 130,000 miles and it's been one of the best cars I've ever owned.
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2010/11/12-2011-cadillac-cts-v-wagon.jpg)
Downside is it's scary-quick and scary-fast
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There has been no hatch since the 2015 redesign, and WRX's are probably a bad car to pick up used since the probability they were thorough thrashed goes up exponentially over many other sporty cars.
Yes, I'm in 'used only' mode to address the dog carrier issue. It seems a shame to put a dog in a new car.
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KIA. Bought my retirement car in 2011, a 2011 Kia Optima SXT. Sport model 275 HP 275 ft torque. 6 speed auto with paddle shifters. Leather interior with heated and cooled seats. It's a blast to drive and now has over 90,000 on it. 31 to 33 mpg hwy at 85 mph. 23 to 26 in town driving. All it has needed I'd oil and filter changes and standard factory upkeep. Not a drop of oil consumption. This one has surprised me for performance and reliability.
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F150, safe, reliable, practical and Texan. One you get a pickup you never look back. Test drive one before you buy anything else.
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That Kia Optima is a very nice car. I drove a turbo model equipped out, paddle shifters and selective ride control. Very nice. I am glad to hear it's been reliable.
That Caddie wagon is a pretty cool. I'd like to drive one.
I've been poking around in my Camaro today and I still love it. :laugh:
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That Kia Optima is a very nice car. I drove a turbo model equipped out, paddle shifters and selective ride control. Very nice. I am glad to hear it's been reliable.
That Caddie wagon is a pretty cool. I'd like to drive one.
I've been poking around in my Camaro today and I still love it. :laugh:
Not being a car guy , I had to google the specs on a 1994 Z28 . Damn , 156 MPH top speed , 14.1 second 1/4 mile , .85 G's on the skid pad . Pretty impressive .Didn't realize I was riding in something quite so potent .
Dusty
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Mine only went 14.3 but I didn't speed shift it. And was shifting in 4th at the line. I've gotten to 135 between stop signs on a section line road.
But the fun is steering with your right foot. :grin:
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Mine only went 14.3 but I didn't speed shift it. And was shifting in 4th at the line. I've gotten to 135 between stop signs on a section line road.
But the fun is steering with your right foot. :grin:
Yeah , the testers that managed the 14.1 ET probably weren't gonna have to pay for a clutch or transmission if they screwed up :laugh:
Dusty
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Have you considered leasing, perhaps one sports car and a nice truck?
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That Kia Optima is a very nice car. I drove a turbo model equipped out, paddle shifters and selective ride control. Very nice. I am glad to hear it's been reliable.
That Caddie wagon is a pretty cool. I'd like to drive one.
I've been poking around in my Camaro today and I still love it. :laugh:
Yea, I have been pleasantly surprised with the low maintenance and reliability. It's the turbo model. Sounds like your camero is the quite special.
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Ha ha - perspective is a funny thing.
I see you guys talking about low 14 second 1/4 miles and thinking that's fast and think to myself
"That's as slow as an 883 or V7". :police: :evil: :police:
Even a Golf R will do about that.
Hell a new WRX, A BMW 335 or M235, Infiniti Q50 AWD will all beat that with low-to-mid 13's (depending on the particular model).
HELL A JEEP GRAND CHEROKEE SRT8 will beat them with a 13.1
A Dodge Charger SRT 8 faster still at 12.6
And THEY all still lose to the smallest bike in our garage! (M696) at 12.21 or even a new Hipster Scrambler at 11.91.
Funny thing perspective is.
Oh and if I didn't get this Jeep that I am really, REALLY enjoying, I think I would have gotten this:
(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/bu7qub1jsyvkwsii53re.jpg)
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Kev m , how many cars built in 1994 were capable of 14.1 second 1/4 miles ? That is the point . Sure, cars and bikes are getting faster , but I'm betting , having been in LR's Z28 , that finding another 75 HP would be cheap and easy .
Dusty
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Kev m , how many cars built in 1994 were capable of 14.1 second 1/4 miles ? That is the point . Sure, cars and bikes are getting faster , but I'm betting , having been in LR's Z28 , that finding another 75 HP would be cheap and easy .
Dusty
I'm just saying it's not 1994 anymore, hell it's not 2004 anymore...
Actually the availability of fast cars and I mean stupid fast cars has just exploded in the last decade.
Hp levels that were once only available on SuperCars has become commonplace in entry level sport sedans, and SuperCars have become HyperCars.
That doesn't change my preferences for a V7, 883, or even a "lowly" 300-350 hp WRX or Focus RS.
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You didn't mention how much driving you'll be doing with this vehicle and to me that's a strong consideration, because I hate to give any more than I need to the petroleum industry or the government. The 4 wheel vehicles in the garage are a Nissan Titan, a Mercedes E350 and my little Jetta Sportswagen TDI. I bought the Jetta because I was tired of taking the Titan and getting 15 MPG when I had to play handyman with my rentals (and all of them are at least an hours drive away), or when I wanted to tow my ATV anywhere or haul a motorcycle to the shop. I purchased the Jetta with the 6 sp stick and all the bells and whistles. In about 18 months we've put 35,000 miles on it and the dash computer tells me that we've averaged 44 MPG.
I purchased an aluminum trailer to haul my motorcycles and ATV and put a hitch on the little VW. I had a Malone 1.5 tune put on the VW and when I put it on the dyno it showed 170 hp and 299 ft lbs of tq. It easily tows my bikes and ATV, and with the stick shift is a kick in the pants to drive. It's always difficult to get the VW, because my wife prefers it to our Mercedes for her trips (we're in a rural area with mostly two lane twisty roads), so it's frequently in use when I'd like it. With the VW diesel cheating scandal a used 2014 or 2015 can be purchased at a very reasonable price, and all VW will do because of the cheating will be to alter the software, which you can alter back for a few hundred dollars.
So if you want a great little car that is fun to drive, is a great grocery hauler (and poodle transporter), can easily tow you motorcycles and gets great fuel mileage, you might want to consider a VW Jetta Sportswagen TDI
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WRX or WRX STI. Hauls everything, including the mail! :grin:
My 2 cents.
John Henry
^^^^^^^^ Yeah that! Yehaa. Ready for some velocity citations? :copcar:
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This thread tells us that we are an affluent bunch, considering all the high end iron owned/suggested. On the 911; my son has one and I can hardly get in it, much less out. Can't say it would ever get used at my house??? Probably the same for other sports cars mentioned.
Good luck with whatever you decide on!!
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Hmm,
On petroleum industry, as a 40 year veteran, now retired: I think gasoline prices will stay very, very low for at least 5-7 years due to oversupply and much more efficient mileage vehicles.
A thought: advantage to the Cayman over the new Miata is trunk space. Miata has a tiny rear trunk, the Cayman has a small rear hatch, and a fairly reasonable front trunk for hauling some stuff.
Next step, sometime February is to go test a Miata. If it is a reject, finding the right Cayman could be a chore, and will involve monitoring the resale market in the Houston/Austin/San Antonio/Dallas areas.
A plus: no hurry at all. Youngest daughter absconded with the red Mazda 3 last night. She still has designs on it in NYC, but no firm plans.
Did you guys see Falcon-9 Space X? Wow!!
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Kev m , how many cars built in 1994 were capable of 14.1 second 1/4 miles ? That is the point . Sure, cars and bikes are getting faster , but I'm betting , having been in LR's Z28 , that finding another 75 HP would be cheap and easy .
Dusty
Since I **** ** *** ****, I'll comment. :evil:
I purchased the Camaro new in 1994 with the intention of hot rodding and upgrading when I needed to overhaul it. So far other than an oil drip, the car has been solid at 165k miles. And you're right, you can pick cam, ported heads, exhaust and tune and get 75 horsepower. Consider about $3k for the parts and whatever maintenance and overhaul is needed. And you can go 383 stroker kit. Certainly not cheap but much less than a new car. I think it feels a little "soft" on the top end but the torque is what makes it fun.
As you might remember, I looked at several turbo pocket rockets when I purchased my Accord. Nice cars. The GTI was especially nice driver but considering the expense and reliability I declined (BTW- how many 20 year old VWs do you see on the road?). I got real close to getting Kia Forte 5 Turbo. My youngest son purchased a Focus ST, loaded. Nice performance car. I've heard the little Fiesta ST is a barrel of monkeys and the new Civic Type R lapped the Nurburgring as fast as a new 911 Porsche. All FWD.
All would be good retirement cars, or again, I could just stick to the plan (10 years later than I imagined) and upgrade the Z and enjoy the TTops and steering with my tight foot (RWD + torque).
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Yep John , and even if you spent $10K (Bev , are you reading this :grin:) to do the motor and some other freshening up , still cheaper than any new car that will approach the performance level of your Z28 . AND , that new Honda in the garage is damn impressive , probably more real world capability than anyone can use , and doesn't draw attention from the local constabulary :evil:
Dusty
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Bev?
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Bev?
John's lovely wife .
Dusty
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John's lovely wife .
Dusty
Ahhhh, lol, that post makes sense now. :thumb:
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OK..here goes...I think I'll be able to take it. I really like our Jaguar XK convertible. I'm outa here!
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OK..here goes...I think I'll be able to take it. I really like our Jaguar XK convertible. I'm outa here!
Nothing wrong with a Jag! :thumb:
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As long as it's not a 60's version with the 'dark' electrics. :)
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Nothing wrong with a Jag! :thumb:
The new F-types are something else! :thumb:
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Your retired, you need to go see places:
As I'm in UK I don't know all your state side options but you can't go far wrong with a Landrover Discovery 4. Comfortable for long journeys, towing stuff - bike trailers,caravans..and hauling gear.
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Ha ha - perspective is a funny thing.
And THEY all still lose to the smallest bike in our garage! (M696) at 12.21 or even a new Hipster Scrambler at 11.91.
Not a Bone Stock Cadillac CTS-V with street tires.
http://gmauthority.com/blog/2013/06/bone-stock-cadillac-cts-v-coupe-runs-11-97-second-quarter-mile-video/
The real question is can a Hipster hang onto a Scramble @ 120 mph let alone 180. and I bet it's a little skinny 130 lb hipster
Also one thing about those Porsche's; look up intermediate shaft failures........... ....
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Youngest daughter absconded with the red Mazda 3 last night. She still has designs on it in NYC, but no firm plans.
It was costing me $800 bucks a month(more like $1,200-$1400 now) to park a truck and four bikes in Manhattan and that is not counting tickets. She might want to consider the downsides, as there are a few. Location of course is a factor.
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Not a Bone Stock Cadillac CTS-V with street tires.
http://gmauthority.com/blog/2013/06/bone-stock-cadillac-cts-v-coupe-runs-11-97-second-quarter-mile-video/
The real question is can a Hipster hang onto a Scramble @ 120 mph let alone 180. and I bet it's a little skinny 130 lb hipster
Also one thing about those Porsche's; look up intermediate shaft failures........... ....
Fair enough, but I didn't mention the CTS so it wasn't really part of the comparison, but it can be.
And my point really was just about perspective.
I did say that vehicles are getting stupid fast and stupid powerful.
So much so that bikes we now consider slow are as fast as cars we once considered fast.
BOOM - goes our heads.
:thumb:
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No one has mentioned the Alfa Guilia due out soon?
The Fiat website shows a 2017 124 spider- with turbo - that might be worth waiting for.
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They've been advertizing those new F type Jags with big discounts on local TV ads.
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The new F-types are something else! :thumb:
:drool:
(http://images.thecarconnection.com/hug/2014-jaguar-f-type_100425172_h.jpg)
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The answer is always a Miata. We love traveling in our '00 NB with factory hardtop. The only thing you hear on the highway is the AC running. When my DW retires in the spring of '18 were buying a Motor coach and pulling the Miata behind it.
Can't wait. :clock:
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Miata owners often love their cars! 2016 Miata will get a test ride and careful evaluation sometime in March. Love what I have read and seen so far. The convertible would be perfect on a day like this. Just guessing and projecting: the Cayman S used market is the wildcard. If the "perfect" car appeared, it might prompt a rapid decision. I have seen a few come and go over the past year.
New Jag is out of price cap range. Ms LD's flexibility is a key. If she won't share her Lexus, the sports car is toast.
Didn't mention the VW GTI. My nephew had one, and loved it. I like the car. But, VW is in the doghouse in my book, blacklisted.
Again, thanks for everyone's comments.
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I dunno, used Cayman S vs. Used F-Type, could be in same price range (I.e. lapping at the top of your limit).
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The Miata is nice choice (I had one in 2000) and one I considered before I bought my Boxster S 550 Spyder Anniversary Edition. A beautiful GT Silver with Cocoa Full Leather. The new ones are even better. The thing is that the Miata does many things well, and a few not so well - while the Cayman / Boxster does nearly everything well. "There is no substitute"
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Since you asked for advice, mine is buy a 911 because that's what you really want. After you've gotten out of your system you can sell it for little to no loss, you'll lose more on the cayman would be my guess. Or, you can do like my father-in-law did, buy the 911 new when your in your 20s (it's a 1968 911L) and keep it forever until you have grandkids to stand in front of it. I rode in it last weekend to a local car show, lots' of fun.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/1scrWHyxt5B9tnMxrtSUK_OWkmmI3AjH0d52p8S5OEErnXq4IFYXjTKLjfIK1DXsYWMHVgZFWpyyVRdbNEfkqiS2cPU3ie6H0qt16Meft6_41UOVCYQWlMjBIZ8jEcSIdlPkJFwjRVU9XFxy93vJrbGl30lZR7u95RyYI9pbiHPOUhem11ynfQvZ4Gh82bkRHuWy2uonjT1PcgsWEFMsHUU1Y4hNT5i3mFI5cj-AG2XFJ_FHN1w5MRE4u-jQgZROmXfDDGVn2H1IVVfwoqcdv25QicYh2jWfvgOgdEnV3AqRy6HmJ226ux2hrOW4Xr7WRH519pXB3CMyuVaalUBtTlgCU4AxBYqCjnP1SUM-QW0HyuyY2GQreocnyQZBneBki6qyW_I77Fptr0D4iCO3kF57N5YD25exR9JFhqVqJakyDD3k8ICUyHeJ_KC3wO_2f1gdMH14JT-V9qrb-z14vt78QWs4zT-J9izMYJSUaaA7TDYYQRcWBBYkmpDZ2lRiBeM1k5DQjH-7aKSfhfEcC8u05F55nv0_lI4Hlv58h68hAJPRbNpgXuiBZyOCJ75BVVRQ=w1151-h863-no)
My favorite Porsche of all time. What a beauty!
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The cover story of the Jan issue of Car and Driver is the "10 Best Cars of 2016". The mag leans pretty hard toward German and big power (Corvette, Mustang, etc.) but Mazda is the only brand with 2 cars in the top 10. The Miata and the 3. The new series of Mazdas really do a great job of combining the best of German and Japanese engineering.
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My favorite Porsche of all time. What a beauty!
Yup.
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Found the right Cayman S at the wrong time. Damn. Have to wait until we close on this existing house and get the big check. Sometime after 2/15/16. Beautiful red/sand with lots of upgrades, Porsche dealer trade-in here in Houston, right mileage, right price.
Oh well, there will be others. Or, maybe this one will sit for a while.
Patience grasshopper. Need to stick to Miata test drive plan.
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Need to stick to Miata test drive plan.
Maybe also swing by the local FIAT/ALFA dealer and test a new FIAT 124. And while you're there, an ALFA 4C.
The 124 is sisters with the Miata, and has the Abarth's 160bhp turbo engine. The 4C is just badass.
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Rocker,
Hmm on Fiat 124, thanks for that suggestion. We have several really good Houston Fiat dealers.
Would I be crazy to put the Fiat Abarth on my short list? Seems like it checks a lot of my boxes. Lot of car for dollar.
Serious shopping will start late February.
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Would I be crazy to put the Fiat Abarth on my short list?
I'd vote 124 spyder when it arrives. That's gonna be a head turning car you will sit in the garage and look at with your cycles.
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124.
http://www.fiatusa.com/en/spider/
Now, if a family sedan is more in order. A back seat to haul the poodles, etc. Then Giulia is calling your name:
https://www.alfaromeousa.com/cars/alfa-romeo-giulia
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(http://g3.img-dpreview.com/1BD205D5194C4146BB13D17612309FEB.jpg)
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(http://g3.img-dpreview.com/1BD205D5194C4146BB13D17612309FEB.jpg)
(http://g2.img-dpreview.com/00523363AC8546F48D6E56EBF8CBD6D9.jpg)
Did you pull the trigger John ?
Dusty
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Here's your rig, you grumpy old goomers!
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag65/guzzistajohn/walker_zpskra056pn.jpg) (http://s1299.photobucket.com/user/guzzistajohn/media/walker_zpskra056pn.jpg.html)
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pulled the trigger got a bull's eye.
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pulled the trigger got a bull's eye.
You're gonna need a bigger garage :laugh: So give us some details .
Dusty
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got it in Udall Ks. 47k miles. one owner. 6 speed manual, LS3 engine. Really clean.
putting the Camaro on the market.
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Very nice John! :bow:
GliderJohn
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A Miata would tick all the right boxes: reliable as can be, fun, well-under your $50K ceiling, and fits a dog just fine. It's clearly the correct choice. But the heart wants what the heart wants my friend. If your heart's going pitter-patter every time you spot a Porsche, I'd recommend you do what it's saying or be prepared to have a super-reliable, fun, and inexpensive car that you regret buying.
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https://www.audiusa.com/models/audi-allroad
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2Wings,
Thanks, that is an interesting vehicle. We close on this house in less than 2 weeks. Busy is the game with upcoming move to new house next week. After life settles down, my guess sometime April, perhaps May: the retirement vehicle happens. Saw a new Jaguar F-type coupe last weekend. Wow, now this car turns my head, but it is probably past my budget range.
http://www.jaguar.com/jaguar-range/f-type/f-type-models/f-type-coupe.html
Still torn between practical SUV, and a sporty car.
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Very nice John! :bow:
GliderJohn
Funny thing today. I drove up to Kansas and purchased the Corvette today. My neighbor was delivered a 2006 silver 911 to his house today (Chicago car with 11k miles, super super nice).
It was really funny seeing two sports cars delivered to two neighbors in a single day. We talked to each other and had a big laugh. We were happy for each other.
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2Wings,
Thanks, that is an interesting vehicle. We close on this house in less than 2 weeks. Busy is the game with upcoming move to new house next week. After life settles down, my guess sometime April, perhaps May: the retirement vehicle happens. Saw a new Jaguar F-type coupe last weekend. Wow, now this car turns my head, but it is probably past my budget range.
http://www.jaguar.com/jaguar-range/f-type/f-type-models/f-type-coupe.html
Still torn between practical SUV, and a sporty car.
Since I will not be able to give it love and a good home, I was hoping you could.... :wink:
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Got my retirement vehicle in the Fall.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f380/rmaund/2014%20Promaster/20150910_174227.jpeg) (http://s51.photobucket.com/user/rmaund/media/2014%20Promaster/20150910_174227.jpeg.html)
Replaces my old E350 van.
Turning this one into a camper as I can afford it. It's a front wheel drive 6 x 10 tool shed! Room for almost anything inside. I really like it. Handles better than a Sprinter I drove. It's a gasser (V6) with regular 6 speed auto. Diesel wasn't in my budget. It's been perfect so far. Almost time for it's first service. It'll swallow two bikes AND you can camp in it!
Only issue at all is unwanted attention. The day I brought it home a neighbor came by to see if we were all OK. He said "I was concerned when I saw that ambulance in your driveway." I laughed my butt off.
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A few small conversions and you can turn it into a Sportsmobile! Is it 4x4 or 2 wheel drive?
On another note Greg...if your heart was set on the Alfa Romeo Giulia...looks like its introduction will be delayed a bit...something to do with not passing crash tests.
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The Promaster is 2wd. (Front wheel drive.) Rear wheels are on a axle with leaf springs and shocks. On the plus side it has big Brembo disk brakes on all 4 wheels. Stops on a dime! The FWD limits the trailer towing to 5k lbs. But the FWD also gives it terrific maneuverability. You can get those driven front wheels almost sideways! Like driving a forklift backwards in parking lots!
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Saw a new Jaguar F-type coupe last weekend. Wow, now this car turns my head, but it is probably past my budget range.
http://www.jaguar.com/jaguar-range/f-type/f-type-models/f-type-coupe.html
Still torn between practical SUV, and a sporty car.
We'll probably never own one, but it's clearly my favorite current car.
Jenn really likes em too, but if she were to indulge she says she'd probably go for a Range Rover. She really prefers the taller stance/viewpoint like she gets in her Jeep GC to that of a car, especially in traffic.
But things change, so who knows. After the kid's 529s are sufficiently funded in a decade or so, and her student loans are payed off we'll have freed up about double the monthly cash we'd need for a reasonable short term payment.
Or maybe she'll keep liking Jeeps and we'll spend it all on hookers and blow. Or maybe a beach house lol... Who knows.
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(http://g3.img-dpreview.com/1BD205D5194C4146BB13D17612309FEB.jpg)
Sweet! :thumb:
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Now that is a "cherry" Corvette! Very nice. I had a 1984, loved it. There are some really nice C6 used Vetts floating around Houston: trades for C7s I would guess. Turned up a 2008 Porsche Cayman S I like, a lot, in San Antonio. No time right now to get serious though.
Its another day of mover prep for me. Ms. LD has spent all week, and most of this upcoming weekend working on a huge Ft. Bend County, TEXAS fund raiser. Great cause, and very efficient. But timing is not good for us. We will survive though. I expect a few days of chaos Twilight Zone just as we move, and for about a week afterwards....
Yeah, get to work! Ugh...
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Lucydad,
Retirement takes a lot of time to practice because everything else in life keeps getting in the way.
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I nearly went to Houston for one. But it was further than I wanted to travel. I missed a couple of apparent good deals in Little Rock and Dallas. I was holding out for the performance suspension package but a Corvette buddy told me if I wanted to upgrade for the track to go for the sway bars ($250) and save the harsh ride. This one was about $6k cheaper than the other ones. One owner with some 47k pampered miles. OTOH, my aforementioned buddy has only 11k miles on his '08.
I am amazed how smooth the ride is and how it doesn't rattle like I expected.
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John,
Umm, so far retirement for me has mainly been very busy. November was a bit slow, otherwise, yeah: always something cooking. I have been taking some (for college credit) classes. Two more weeks of a class, and yep I need to do my homework.
Corvettes, well yes they can be wonderful machines. My friend Ed has a brand new C7 on order, should arrive for his 70th birthday. It is black, with a tan convertible top, and tan leather inside. Should be very cool with the 7 speed manual. The C6s turn my head.
This house move rig-a-ma-role (aka Normandy invasion logistics) is convincing me I DESERVE a FUN CAR. Is that ego, or what speaking? Geez my body is tired. Humped all the garage liquids over today, and and most of the booze. Also ripped down some old attic boxes and separated styrofoam and cardboard for recycling, and some boxes reuse. We are trying to keep was to a minimum.
Sunday will be more house organization and hauling. Monday a buddy is coming over with his truck and we will hump all the outside and inside plants over, plus some big rocks from our Colorado cabin that I don't want to leave behind.
Retirement? What retirement?
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Retirement keeps you busy. I wonder how I ever had time to go to work?
:thewife: :violent1: :boozing: :food: :gotpics: :copcar: :boxing: :coffee: :popcorn: :shocked: :clock: :rolleyes: :undecided: :afro: :embarrassed: :angry: :laugh: :grin: :sad: :wink: :kiss: :blank: :azn: :evil: :weiner: :1: :tongue: :police: :cheesy: :Beating_A_Dead_Hors e_by_liviu :angel:
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I DESERVE a FUN CAR. Is that ego, or what speaking?
Stick to the term "fun car" when shopping. An suv or something that you could catch a mother in law owning will disqualify it.
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December 25th an eighteen reindeer sleigh ...err an eighteen wheeler pulled up to my neighborhood and delivered my retirement vehicle. I found a nearly perfect '04 Porsche Boxster S 50th Anniversary Limited Edition 550 Spyder in Arizona and had it shipped to Atlanta. Special paint, interior, and other goodies. Love it.
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k21/gt928/GTs%20986_zpsn3pjzegd.jpg) (http://s84.photobucket.com/user/gt928/media/GTs%20986_zpsn3pjzegd.jpg.html)
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she's a beauty Gary
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she's a beauty Gary
Thanks, I looked long and hard for this one.
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yeah, not many out there. I think it was limited edition of 1953? (commemorative for the year)
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50 Anniversary 911, prize to myself if I had the funds.
Dean
(http://media.caranddriver.com/images/13q2/510830/2013-porsche-911-50th-anniversary-edition-coupe-photos-and-info-news-car-and-driver-photo-519429-s-original.jpg)
(http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Images/upload/32150/images/05PORSCHE91150THCARREVIEW.jpg)
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Funny thing today. I drove up to Kansas and purchased the Corvette today. My neighbor was delivered a 2006 silver 911 to his house today (Chicago car with 11k miles, super super nice).
It was really funny seeing two sports cars delivered to two neighbors in a single day. We talked to each other and had a big laugh. We were happy for each other.
John,
In my area it is nothing to see two vehicles re-poed in one day.
Tex
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LMAO
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(http://keenhealthcare.com/store/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/d/_/d.walker.junior1.jpg)
Dean
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50 Anniversary 911, prize to myself if I had the funds.
Dean
(http://media.caranddriver.com/images/13q2/510830/2013-porsche-911-50th-anniversary-edition-coupe-photos-and-info-news-car-and-driver-photo-519429-s-original.jpg)
(http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Images/upload/32150/images/05PORSCHE91150THCARREVIEW.jpg)
Very nice! 911's are like Guzzi's, once they get in your blood, you have to keep enjoying them. Nothing like the sound of the flat 6 opening up in full throttle...and surprisingly comfortable for long hauls. Greg...will make those trips to Durango seem like a blink of an eye if you get one of these.
Now where is Porsche's National Rally going to be this year...hhmmm! May have to do that one too!
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(http://keenhealthcare.com/store/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/d/_/d.walker.junior1.jpg)
Dean
Ats no funny!!! :sad:
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Very nice! 911's are like Guzzi's, once they get in your blood, you have to keep enjoying them. Nothing like the sound of the flat 6 opening up in full throttle...and surprisingly comfortable for long hauls. Greg...will make those trips to Durango seem like a blink of an eye if you get one of these.
Now where is Porsche's National Rally going to be this year...hhmmm! May have to do that one too!
there's one a the local Porsche shop (I was test driving a used 'vette). This one was an automatic and the price was $120k. Used normally aspirated 911 .... sitting outside in the car lot with so many other Porsches
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Thanks John...I'm all set...love my 911...just gently "urging" Greg to keep looking for his since so many others have also found their dream car as well.
$120K is probably over the budget though...I think he wanted to spend $50K...
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What does a really nice Austin Healey 3000 sell for these days ?
Dusty
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2 bucks!! :)
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Oh dang , a bit of research shows that the Datsun 2000 roadsters are still pretty affordable . If I were a car guy , a slightly modernized Fairlady would be on my short list .
Dusty
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2 bucks!! :)
Heck , even I can afford that :laugh:
Dusty
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This I what the wife will get me when I finally retire.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0d/Caddy_DTS_hearse.jpg)
But I suspect it will be more like a cardboard box and involve fire.
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All,
At age 61 seems I have experienced it all as far as vehicles: from a Vega to a Corvette, Jeep to Peugeot 505, VW Scirocco and a BMW, and Mazdas. Motorcycles feature my V7R and STRX: yin and yang of beauty/character and razor/terror.
Does your moto choice in bikes and cars truly reflect personality? If so, I am all over the map, a true scatter diagram. Very non-linear.
Looking at the retirement car has my head wobbling like an Indian software programmer considering his latest C++ program (apologies).
I seem to be spinning my wheels. Maybe clarity will happen. At times I think, to hell with it, keep the old beat up 2005 Mazda 3, then at times I think..hmmm....afte r seeing some sharp sporty car or other shiney thingy-thing with pretty wheels.
No answers....but like the little Nash Rambler, I will keep on moving...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nash_Rambler
Fact is: very few cars capture my heart.. and the tug of war of practical and fun is frustrating....and then again life is short...and then again...
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Since this is just another thought on your retirement vehicle, I've merged it into your existing thread.
Repeating myself from earlier, check out the Fiat 124. It will go well in the garage with your Guzzi:
(http://www.allpar.com/photos/fiat/spider-124/red-124.jpg)
Or, for a little more dosh, check out the 4C spider next door at the Alfa dealer:
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Pi1dGMAIUEI/VXsxPlKv0VI/AAAAAAAA_gk/xCLumlFEgFM/s1600/Alfa-Romeo-4C-Spider-22355.jpg)
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Alfa above is NICE!! That or the Giulia...seems like Alfa is on the comeback trail again!
Looking at the retirement car has my head wobbling like an Indian software programmer considering his latest C++ program (apologies).
Most assuredly entertaining Rajiv Swami Guptachan, you make a very good point there!
Perhaps a night time session in Cedar Vale (are you coming??) to ponder the alternatives would be a good place to settle and make a commitment to one marque...or, perhaps the ones below will cause further dilemma:
(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p257/PJPR01/11063495_1168182546540016_6700933342823057753_o_zpsteko9tqv.jpg) (http://s130.photobucket.com/user/PJPR01/media/11063495_1168182546540016_6700933342823057753_o_zpsteko9tqv.jpg.html)
(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p257/PJPR01/546b2e55b7325_-_alfa_tipo_stradale_luning-lg_zpss5npwpdg.jpg) (http://s130.photobucket.com/user/PJPR01/media/546b2e55b7325_-_alfa_tipo_stradale_luning-lg_zpss5npwpdg.jpg.html)
(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p257/PJPR01/546b2e5fdfb88_-_jaguar_e-type_803mp_tony_baker_via_fox_syn-lg_zpsmyzoy5hf.jpg) (http://s130.photobucket.com/user/PJPR01/media/546b2e5fdfb88_-_jaguar_e-type_803mp_tony_baker_via_fox_syn-lg_zpsmyzoy5hf.jpg.html)
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Greg knows what to do here .
Dusty
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Alfa above is NICE!! That or the Giulia...seems like Alfa is on the comeback trail again!
Most assuredly entertaining Rajiv Swami Guptachan, you make a very good point there!
Perhaps a night time session in Cedar Vale (are you coming??) to ponder the alternatives would be a good place to settle and make a commitment to one marque...or, perhaps the ones below will cause further dilemma:
(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p257/PJPR01/11063495_1168182546540016_6700933342823057753_o_zpsteko9tqv.jpg) (http://s130.photobucket.com/user/PJPR01/media/11063495_1168182546540016_6700933342823057753_o_zpsteko9tqv.jpg.html)
(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p257/PJPR01/546b2e55b7325_-_alfa_tipo_stradale_luning-lg_zpss5npwpdg.jpg) (http://s130.photobucket.com/user/PJPR01/media/546b2e55b7325_-_alfa_tipo_stradale_luning-lg_zpss5npwpdg.jpg.html)
(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p257/PJPR01/546b2e5fdfb88_-_jaguar_e-type_803mp_tony_baker_via_fox_syn-lg_zpsmyzoy5hf.jpg) (http://s130.photobucket.com/user/PJPR01/media/546b2e5fdfb88_-_jaguar_e-type_803mp_tony_baker_via_fox_syn-lg_zpsmyzoy5hf.jpg.html)
Ohhhh, that Alfa.
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Right! That's a car to sell your soul for! Amazing barely begins to describe it!
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Rocker,
Yes, you are right. Note that Houston Alfa dealer has a 4C, in stock, in yellow. Man... :drool:
Pretty pricey though...
Ordered a Manta Dart flyscreen for the STRX to enhance long distance capability...may add a tail pack or larger tank bag too.
Damn windy today, its unusual I don't ride on a weekend.
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All,
Sniffed out a 2008 Cayman S, North Porsche of Houston. Black metallic paint, tan leather, 6 speed....might get serious about this one?
http://www.porscheofnorthhouston.com/used-Houston-2008-Porsche-Cayman+S-S-WP0AB29818U780534
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Nice looking! Do you lay wake at night lusting over it.......that's when you know you've found the right one! :thumb:
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That Alfa and the Ferrari 330 are great lookers. Too bad so few were made.
The new Alfa looks nice too. Kinda like the Lotus.
Nope, never find the right one, cause the ones I lust over are unobtainium. 1) way over a $1M budget, 2) I wouldn't drive it on the street and subject it to the rest of the unwashed who prowl the streets, 3) the race cars really are not easy to get in and out of them, to the point that I may not fit in the seating space, even with a custom seat (which is a given for these cars) and 4) there are so few that they only come up for sale about once a decade.
Everything else is a poor substitute for what I really want.
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Hey LD. I'd go for it.
I pounced when I saw what I wanted, otherwise I would be spending my retirement thinking about what to do vs doing it.
If you don't like it, sell it and get something else.
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The upcoming Miata RF looks good.
(http://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/2017-Mazda-MX-5-Miata-RF-show-floor-105-876x535.jpg)
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All,
Sniffed out a 2008 Cayman S, North Porsche of Houston. Black metallic paint, tan leather, 6 speed....might get serious about this one?
http://www.porscheofnorthhouston.com/used-Houston-2008-Porsche-Cayman+S-S-WP0AB29818U780534
You will never regret that one! There IS NO substitute... :thumb:
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I like the cayman more then the each version getting wider/fatter 911. The cayman is even lighter then a gt3 911.
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Talked with sales manager about the car. He knows our Paul, and Paul gave me his name (thanks!).
Anyway the manager clearly knows the car. Biggest negatives are: only one key (new one can be ordered and programmed for about $300) , and some minor paint damage and substandard repaint on front bumper and one of the rear panels. Otherwise everything sounds good. TOYO tires are so-so, but acceptable until burned out.
I am interested enough to drive clear across Houston to look and test Saturday morning. If I like it, and they will negotiate a bit, this car could happen. Have not discussed with Ms LD yet on details. Want to see if this is the right car first.
I would likely replace the standard radio/CD combo with a modern XM Radio/navigation/phone/backup camera unit. I know they can be had and installed for about $1800 or so, and are far superior to the original units.
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You tell him for that price he can throw an extra key in....*sheesh*
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geees......I think I'd want a clean car. Bad paint work doesn't sound good. I'd be concerned that it hadn't been maintained.
I must disagree with Chris. I think there are substitutes and other fast & solid sports cars. Personally, I like to have some open air.
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We shall see tomorrow. Opened topic with Ms. LD, no pushback. If it is not the right car, c'est la vie. Not emotionally involved. But, interested. Negotiations would be pretty vigorous given the price of oil, Houston economy, etc. Second key a must, and likely some repainting also...few black cars I have ever seen, after eight years, even low miles don't have some paint issues. Now, if I conclude the paint is really significant, perhaps an unreported collision, etc: walking away. Sales manager on the phone seemed very transparent. It is difficult to find a reasonable mileage Cayman S, with the six speed, that is not either trashed or really old, or really over priced.
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We shall see tomorrow. Now, if I conclude the paint is really significant, perhaps an unreported collision, etc: walking away.
Yup, you're in the drivers seat. You hold the money and they want it more then they want the car.
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All,
Sniffed out a 2008 Cayman S, North Porsche of Houston. Black metallic paint, tan leather, 6 speed....might get serious about this one?
http://www.porscheofnorthhouston.com/used-Houston-2008-Porsche-Cayman+S-S-WP0AB29818U780534
LD, the nephew has one of these of about that era. Drove it back from his holiday home recently, about 400kms. It is way out of our league so I was a bit in awe of that mighty V8 in it :grin: :thumb: but I was quite impressed with the vehicle and how nicely it drove. Know nothing about any faults etc.
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I'm confused.
A v8 in a Porsche Cayman???
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We shall see tomorrow. Opened topic with Ms. LD, no pushback. If it is not the right car, c'est la vie. Not emotionally involved. But, interested. Negotiations would be pretty vigorous given the price of oil, Houston economy, etc. Second key a must, and likely some repainting also...few black cars I have ever seen, after eight years, even low miles don't have some paint issues. Now, if I conclude the paint is really significant, perhaps an unreported collision, etc: walking away. Sales manager on the phone seemed very transparent. It is difficult to find a reasonable mileage Cayman S, with the six speed, that is not either trashed or really old, or really over priced.
No way I'd touch a car like that with paint issues and possible unreported collision repairs...
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Rocker,
You make excellent points, also on my mind. Cancelled the long drive/visit for this morning (Saturday). Looked at calendar and I have a noon and evening social calendar, plus Ms LD wants some house unpacking help to prepare for her ladies dice party Monday evening. Just ran out of time for today.
The more I mull over the metallic black color, the less I am enamored--reasons are 1) very difficult to keep clean, 2) shows every nick and bug and gravel hit, 3) heat retention in our climate and 4) overall visibility to other traffic for a low built and small car. My two favorite colors would instead be white, then red, then perhaps the right medium blue.
When living in Tunisia we bought several of their high quality, hand knotted rugs. Beautiful artwork, an investment indeed, and costly and value very relative. I learned to not get emotionally invested, and to walk away if the rug did not really fit desires.
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I'm confused.
A v8 in a Porsche Cayman???
My bad! :embarrassed: :embarrassed: Should have had my glasses on when I read the post. Thought it said Cayenne. More :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed:
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Continue to think Cayman S....one of the purest expressions of driving pleasure ever built...I kid you not
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I retired a year ago
I have an MX5 and it's a great car and lots of fun to drive.
I also bought a new VW Golf wagon for everyday use.
I like both but neither one of them comes close to the enjoyment I get from a bike.
Riding is so much better than driving
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All,
Cross the black Cayman S off my possible list. After viewing and riding in my friend Ed's new C7, in black: concluded I just can't live with the color again. My old 1984 Vette was black, and I hated trying to keep it even close to clean. Cayman also only had one key: a red flag, and salesman never offered to replace it, cost is over $300, plus trip to dealer. If they want to sell a car: have TWO keys! Ran into the same thing on another Cayman a year ago.
So, forget that one. Still pondering a new Miata down the freeway: right color (white), loaded, with warranty, two keys, etc. Saw where Mazda is coming out with retractable hard top version of the Miata: now that makes a lot of sense in our hot/wet climate to me.
So goes the retirement car quest.
Hoping Triumph dealer gets back to me on my STRX this week. Miss that bike. Likely Guzzi ride today although I think she needs a tune up based on fairly difficult starting, sometimes and closing on 15K miles.
Ride safe you all!
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Hey Greg,
I was in the neighborhood on the weekend and stopped by to talk to Rodger and look at the Black Cayman while drooling over some of the other newer items on the showroom floor. Too many panels had paint or overspray, so definitely no point in pursuing this one. The interior was in great shape, wheels/tires all good...but with so many painted panels, something must have happened, key issues is easily solved, but that's minor compared to the body issues. RG can still help you source your car...if you give him your specs, he can scan around not only locally but cast a wider net.
We had a blast driving up (3 car convoy - Carrera, C4S and Boxster) to Texas World Speedway in College station on Sunday, all of us got to drive on the track in a couple of fun speed parade laps and watch the top performers in the Red class run at full speeds up to 160 mph for the GT2...several other exotics out there, including a McLaren, several GT3's, quite a few 911 Turbo, Turbo S, and even a Cayman GT4 (check out Rodgers if you get up there).
Have fun in the search!!
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We had a blast driving up (3 car convoy - Carrera, C4S and Boxster) to Texas World Speedway in College station on Sunday
May I ask why you listed the Boxster last? Anything to do with the speeds reached on the drive up? :copcar:
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$30k + for a wrecked and poorly painted 2nd tier Porsche doesn't seem like a bargain for oil town Houston.
I know the local Porsche shop up here tried to pawn off a poorly painted black 'vette on to me here in oil town OKC for $30k-
no way in hell would I want a black car anyway but I was tempted to go see it.
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Hey Greg,
I was in the neighborhood on the weekend and stopped by to talk to Rodger and look at the Black Cayman while drooling over some of the other newer items on the showroom floor. Too many panels had paint or overspray, so definitely no point in pursuing this one. The interior was in great shape, wheels/tires all good...but with so many painted panels, something must have happened, key issues is easily solved, but that's minor compared to the body issues. RG can still help you source your car...if you give him your specs, he can scan around not only locally but cast a wider net.
We had a blast driving up (3 car convoy - Carrera, C4S and Boxster) to Texas World Speedway in College station on Sunday, all of us got to drive on the track in a couple of fun speed parade laps and watch the top performers in the Red class run at full speeds up to 160 mph for the GT2...several other exotics out there, including a McLaren, several GT3's, quite a few 911 Turbo, Turbo S, and even a Cayman GT4 (check out Rodgers if you get up there).
Have fun in the search!!
I've done a couple of track days in my 'vette since I bought it in Feb. It's a real blast, especially with 430 HP and all season (hard) tires. It's more of a peacock than track tool but it's a barrel of monkeys. I run a few laps and let her cool down, don't wanna replace the brakes and tires right away.
I plan to go to track school at Hallett in May.
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Ryder of Low,
Thanks, you confirmed my impressions of the Cayman after a closer inspection of the pictures and discussion with Rodger. I suspect an unreported crash, with very poor quality repair and paint. Not happening. I am waiting for the right car. I told Rodger to keep a look out for a better car. Caveat Emptor! Black just is not my color. Color matters a lot to me.
Glad you guys had fun. Much appreciated comment!!
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Whoops, thanks to Paul for checking the car out.
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May I ask why you listed the Boxster last? Anything to do with the speeds reached on the drive up? :copcar:
Purely unintentional I can assure you!! But I do have a 2 word suggestion for future runs:
Radar Detector! :thumb: :thumb:
By the way...lunch at Messina Hof winery after the race was spectacular!!
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Just turned up a 2007 Cayman S: yellow, loaded, 41K miles, local individual seller, also had some repairs-- (do all Porsche drivers have problems running into things?)--- $28K. Opened a bit of communication. Love the color combo, depends a lot on quality (OEM) of repairs, records, etc. Car would be worth about $25K to me. What do you think?
Not sure if this will link:
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=77002&endYear=2017&modelCode1=CAYMAN&showcaseOwnerId=0&makeCode1=POR&startYear=1981&listingType=used&firstRecord=0&listingTypes=used&searchRadius=50&showcaseListingId=0&mmt=%5BPOR%5BCAYMAN%5B%5D%5D%5B%5D%5D&listingId=407574871&Log=0
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Oooh...a bumblebee! Even that car mentions collision work done...and paint. No reason to pick up a car with that history.
By way of example Greg, my 2009 911 has had zero repairs, just regular maintenance at factory prescribed intervals.
In my view, better to spend a bit more on a clean car, no paint or collisions or body work and also one without any IMS issues...
One other place to check is the Lonestar Facebook page...if you put out a post there specifying what you are looking for, you'll get folks who are PCA members and someone may have a vehicle that fits your specs.
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Just turned up a 2007 Cayman S: yellow, loaded, 41K miles, local individual seller, also had some repairs--
That looks pretty clean. Ask the guy what got "bumped". I'd guess the front bumper got punched. A new cover, squirt of paint and you save thousands because of a Carfax record.
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Paul,
I hear you. The IMS issue is something I am aware of. Have to get to a 2009, I think, to avoid? Read a lot of conflicting info on IMS.
Love the yellow. Reminds me of the Ski-Doo snowmobiles of my youth: the 3 cylinder, 2 strokes with expansion chambers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SYsDh_tyIw
No response from seller yet.
Also emailed response to General manager Porsche North specifying what I am looking for. He is doing his job trying to figure out why I disengaged from the black Cayman.
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The IMS issue is something I am aware of. Have to get to a 2009, I think, to avoid? Read a lot of conflicting info on IMS.
http://theimssolution.com/ims-101/
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The 2007 yellow Cayman S gets more "interesting". Full disclosure from owner: car bought at auction, was totaled out, spent a huge sum on local repairs, OEM parts, some used though
Full documentation of repairs. Glancing front left hit, moderate speed, but deployed airbags. Very minor frame damage. Repair by local shop specializes in Porsches and exotics.
Owner is a local lawyer. Wife bought it for him as birthday present. Car never tracked, and he self described as gentle driver.
My guess is given the car's history that dealers would not take it in trade, or purchase it. He's got a very difficult problem.
If I bought the car, resale in future would be extremely difficult also given history.
But, damn its a pretty thing. Cars can be repaired. I have not killed the option yet. Not sure if I should proceed with asking for inspection, and other items.
Determining the true value of the car is difficult.
Advice? Run? Hide? Keep looking?
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Just one thing; If you buy it and decide to sell it later, you're going to be in the same boat that the present owner is in. A car with that history is very difficult to sell unless the price is SUBSTANTIALLY under blue book value. Like 40-50% below.
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Don't the armadillos chase after the Yellow Ones?
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If I bought the car, resale in future would be extremely difficult also given history.
And it still needs the IMS update or it has two strikes on it.
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Killed the yellow Cayman S.
Learning as I go.
Seller was very good on full disclosure though.
Back to the hunt. 2009+ model years = no IMS issues, right?
Great Guzzi ride today, but another hard restart after parked in sun, and engine hot.
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Great Guzzi ride today, but another hard restart after parked in sun, and engine hot.
Is your evaporative canister still on the bike? If any of these are clogged, it could cause your hard restart problem:
1. tank overflow line
2. tank breather line
3. evaporative canister
They're all connected together and if anything is clogged, when the tank gets hot from sitting in the sun, it can cause pressure to build from the combination of gas fumes & heat.
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make sure you drive several cars before you get hooked on a particular model. I drove a Boxster and knew that it wasn't for me. I wasn't ready for the $$ for a 911, nor did I want to drive something that could kill me either. And the maintenance costs for any Porsche isn't trivial either. So no Porsches for me.
So I knew what I wanted, the models and years I was interested in and then I found a bargain on a creampuff. So far so good. And I've done a couple of track runs. Now I hope this animal doesn't kill me too. But unlike some performance cars (cough-new Mustang-cough) you can drive a 'vette like an old lady without spilling your coffee.