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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Jerryd on January 12, 2016, 11:05:00 AM
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I noticed a dealer selling a 2008 Norge for $7599. Seeing that '07's are in the $5-6K range, I thought that the price for this '08 was kind of steep. Any thoughts?
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Seems a bit steep to me. Moto International was recently selling NEW 2014 Norges for $9,990 (+ setup & freight).
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MG has heavily discounted the 2014 leftover Norges for the last several months. I came very close to buying one that was offered to me (from an authorized dealer) for $11,800.......out the door (fees, freight, sales tax, license, etc). I decided to go with a different bike but you can still find a new Norge at a similar price. (depends on your sales tax rate from the state that you live in, etc).
That being said, IMHO, an 08 for $7599 is too much to pay.
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A good offer might be $3700 and go from there, if the bike has been well maintained and is in very good condition. Don't pay for accessories, those were their personal choices.
MSRP is over 16k and brand new they can be had for the high 9k range. For the lucky owner that is over 7k drop before it leaves the showroom floor.
While closeout year discounts are everyday, if you are buying right now, it is worth considering. For just over a couple of grand you get the latest generation, a warranty and brand new to you. That is a lot of benefit over a used Norge.
Right now, a one year old Norge might get $7k and still have warranty.
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A good offer might be $3700 and go from there, if the bike has been well maintained and is in very good condition. Don't pay for accessories, those were their personal choices.
MSRP is over 16k and brand new they can be had for the high 9k range. For the lucky owner that is over 7k drop before it leaves the showroom floor.
While closeout year discounts are everyday, if you are buying right now, it is worth considering. For just over a couple of grand you get the latest generation, a warranty and brand new to you. That is a lot of benefit over a used Norge.
Right now, a one year old Norge might get $7k and still have warranty.
NADA book for a 2014 Norge is around 12k.
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That's gotta be old. I'd sure be tempted to get the 2014 leftover. Oh wait, that's what I did! Worth every penny.
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A good offer might be $3700 and go from there, if the bike has been well maintained and is in very good condition. Don't pay for accessories, those were their personal choices.
MSRP is over 16k and brand new they can be had for the high 9k range. For the lucky owner that is over 7k drop before it leaves the showroom floor.
While closeout year discounts are everyday, if you are buying right now, it is worth considering. For just over a couple of grand you get the latest generation, a warranty and brand new to you. That is a lot of benefit over a used Norge.
Right now, a one year old Norge might get $7k and still have warranty.
I don't think anyone is going to sell a used Norge for $3700! They are selling in the range of $5-5500 for an '07. I sold one for $5500 and the other for $5700 a year ago. I would consider a new one, but I prefer a 2V motor and the warranty is only good if you have a "capable" dealer within a days ride! That doesn't seem to be common in many parts of the country :wink:
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NADA book for a 2014 Norge is around 12k.
Then pay the NADA 12k instead of 9k for a new one? I wouldn't.
Book values are all over the place and different locations have different demands and supply.
In some areas maybe 5000-5500. Not here, not even close.
This isn't the best time of year to sell a bike. The Norge has a much smaller market and an 09 bike is 7 calendar years old.
Truth is value is what it is to you. Some people pay MSRP and are happy, others get the same thing for thousands less and are happy too.
I didn't say you could buy one for $3700, I said it was a starting point. You can always go up in offer price, rarely back down unless something is wrong with the bike.
If they get insulted by a low offer, maybe they should keep it. Pay the least amount, not the most.
Maybe start at 3700 and end up at 4500 which is what they have sold for around here. Its 7 years old and is what it is.
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Book values aren't reliable very often.
2014 retail value is $10,555
2014 trade is $7470
That is KBB
Nada
Avg retail is $12170
Low retail is $9250
Quite a big difference and we know you can get brand new for the high 9k range.
Some sellers do well and get close to their asking price, they are good sellers and some people can sell a bike for top book value while others couldn't get low book. The book is just a guide and not a real good one at that.
Find the right buyer, an 09 goes for $5700. Find the right seller and pay $4500 for the same year and condition.
Its business and if you get emotional when buying or selling, no matter if its a Moto Guzzi or Hodaka, more than likely its the other guy that gets the best end of the deal.
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Keep rubbing it in. :thewife:
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Keep rubbing it in. :thewife:
You seemed to have done very well on your buy. At any reasonable price and some unreasonable, a Norge is an extraordinary bike and isn't the true measure of value not in the money it cost us but the pleasure we get from riding it?
Who among us Norge owners would sell the grins we get, the satisfaction we feel or the confidence we get from riding a Norge? That isn't something you can buy, its just for us lucky few who happen to make a better choice in motorcycles than most.
There isn't anyone riding anything else who has something on the Norge rider. No insult intended to anyone riding a different MG.
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NADA book for a 2014 Norge is around 12k.
NADA is well named - it's about what their information is worth (says a former motorcycle salesman). KBB is not really any better. The guys who do the books just don't know about bikes and the bike market the way they do about cars and pickups - and they have had some questionable business practices (a few years back there was a settlement of a lawsuit over manipulated valuations for bikes).
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NADA is well named - it's about what their information is worth (says a former motorcycle salesman). KBB is not really any better. The guys who do the books just don't know about bikes and the bike market the way they do about cars and pickups - and they have had some questionable business practices (a few years back there was a settlement of a lawsuit over manipulated valuations for bikes).
Here in California, the KBB or NADA can only be used to value a used vehicle for insurance payout purposes (vehicle totaled) when there are no comps in the last 90 days and no dealer to give a fair market value. Even the State realized those books do not represent the real value of vehicles in California.
jdg
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So, if I decided to break down and pick up on of these left over 8V Norge's, who has the best deals?
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So, if I decided to break down and pick up on of these left over 8V Norge's, who has the best deals?
Matthews Fun Machines in the suburbs of Charlotte was advertising them a few weeks ago. I don't know if they have any left; give them a call. *But...........be aware that they have a customer on this forum who has had problems with his 2012 Norge that he purchased from them and they have done a poor job when it comes to repairing the problems that he's had without having to return for multiple visits in an attempt to repair the bike properly. His forum name is bobbyfromnc. Here's his ID page on the forum: http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=14908
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So, if I decided to break down and pick up on of these left over 8V Norge's, who has the best deals?
Best way to find out is when you are ready to buy. Then it depends on where you are willing to go to get it. Money talks. MI has great deals but then so do other MG dealers who can and do equal MIs prices.
Call around. MI will give you a great deal if they have one there and willing to go get it. Call around.
In any case, a Norge is a great machine.
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Matthews Fun Machines in the suburbs of Charlotte was advertising them a few weeks ago. I don't know if they have any left; give them a call. *But...........be aware that they have a customer on this forum who has had problems with his 2012 Norge that he purchased from them and they have done a poor job when it comes to repairing the problems that he's had without having to return for multiple visits in an attempt to repair the bike properly. His forum name is bobbyfromnc. Here's his ID page on the forum: http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=14908
Matthews has two white 2014's and 1 black 2013 in stock. They've advertised them at $10,990 but that excludes shipping, setup, and a doc fee (and taxes and tags). Final negotiated price is up to you and them.
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When I needed something, Mathews was professional, courteous and prompt.
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Matthews has two white 2014's and 1 black 2013 in stock. They've advertised them at $10,990 but that excludes shipping, setup, and a doc fee (and taxes and tags). Final negotiated price is up to you and them.
At one point (several weeks ago), they had them in Cycle Trader at $9995. (plus freight fees, etc) but you are correct that they've now moved the price up $1000. Chances are that they want to move these bikes so the higher price would be negotiable.
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At one point (several weeks ago), they had them in Cycle Trader at $9995. (plus freight fees, etc) but you are correct that they've now moved the price up $1000. Chances are that they want to move these bikes so the higher price would be negotiable.
MI still has for <$10K less prep etc. Says $6.3K off.
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MI still has for <$10K less prep etc. Says $6.3K off.
Incredible: https://www.motointernational.com/catalog/hot-deals/2015-moto-guzzi-norge-1200-gt-8v (https://www.motointernational.com/catalog/hot-deals/2015-moto-guzzi-norge-1200-gt-8v)
This has got to be the screaming deal of the century! Why are not all of these Norges sold?
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Incredible: https://www.motointernational.com/catalog/hot-deals/2015-moto-guzzi-norge-1200-gt-8v (https://www.motointernational.com/catalog/hot-deals/2015-moto-guzzi-norge-1200-gt-8v)
This has got to be the screaming deal of the century! Why are not all of these Norges sold?
The market for the Norge is probably one of the smallest there is. While it is a good bike, take the typical buyer for an ST. First, the chances of even seeing one is close to nil unless you live close to a dealer that has one. Why fly and ride when you can pick up and ride pretty much anything else locally?
It sure isn't price because they can be had for a lot less than any other ST. The people willing to buy one without being able to drive down to a local dealer and even sit on one and then travel a long time, even across the country to see one in the hopes it is all that is insignificant. Even if it costs thousands more, typical buyers will go down and buy the Honda, BMW, Yamaha or a pick from many others because there are dealers around and they have the bike sitting there.
Most of us were willing to look for a Norge to buy, I know I did. It wasn't a money thing, just wanted a Norge. That is me, you and how many others? I'm in California where more motorcycles are sold than any other state yet I have yet to see another Norge. For all I know, there might be 3 of us that actually have one. :grin:
We talk about the bike's character, ease of maintenance and soul. Others hear little dealer support, slim parts availability, frequent maintenance, oil leaks, a DIY bike and so on. Perception often matters more than reality.
A double edged sword, good prices for those who wait for year end deals but overall, very few who want to bother. Just the way it is.
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This keeps up and maybe the Norge will be discontinued in North America?
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This keeps up and maybe the Norge will be discontinued in North America?
I hope not! It is a fabulous bike.
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I don't know how many people bought them at MSRP or even close so hard to tell if it's really worth selling them here. Does anyone know what it costs to make one?
From $16k + to $9k+ is a pretty big discount close to $6500k, closing on on half price for brand new typical sale.
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Australia, only 173 Guzzi's sold in 2013
http://www.fcai.com.au/news/index/index/year/all/month/all/article/339
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Australia, only 173 Guzzi's sold in 2013
http://www.fcai.com.au/news/index/index/year/all/month/all/article/339
One of the things I like about my Moto Guzzi is its rarity. I like riding something that is different/unusual.
I want Moto Guzzi to make and sell profitably as many bikes as they can, but I will continue to enjoy some exclusivity until Moto Guzzi sales sky-rocket...
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One of the things I like about my Moto Guzzi is its rarity. I like riding something that is different/unusual.
I want Moto Guzzi to make and sell profitably as many bikes as they can, but I will continue to enjoy some exclusivity until Moto Guzzi sales sky-rocket...
+1
Everybody rides an RT, ST or FJR! :boozing:
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I'm in California where more motorcycles are sold than any other state yet I have yet to see another Norge. For all I know, there might be 3 of us that actually have one. :grin:
I think there are currently about a dozen of us in California, although Damien is selling his, but it will probably stay in the state, just with a new owner. I've actually ridden with another person who also owns a Red first generation Norge. Kind of weird. The folks at Newcomb's Ranch couldn't believe they were seeing not just two Moto Guzzis at a time, but a matching pair (more or less).
Now if they would add cruise control and engine mapping we'd be close to the other ST offerings.
Oh, and I completely, and unconditionally recommend Moto International - that's were mine came from. I've still yet to meet Dave. The entire transaction was conducted by email and telephone with the bike shipped to my doorstep.
jdg
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My Moto dealer is 15 minutes away, buy local for better service.
There is like ONE leftover Norge in the mpls/ saint paul area and they want over 13k for a 2013.
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When did they change body styles from the first generation models? Was it at the same time as 2V to 4V motors?
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2011?
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2011 is correct.
GliderJohn
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So, was that also also the same time they went to the 4V motor?
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Incredible: https://www.motointernational.com/catalog/hot-deals/2015-moto-guzzi-norge-1200-gt-8v (https://www.motointernational.com/catalog/hot-deals/2015-moto-guzzi-norge-1200-gt-8v)
This has got to be the screaming deal of the century! Why are not all of these Norges sold?
$10,780.00 all in(excluding tax) for a 2015 Norge :shocked:
Why is it winter and why is SEATTLE 2600 miles away?!
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$10,780.00 all in(excluding tax) for a 2015 Norge :shocked:
Why is it winter and why is SEATTLE 2600 miles away?!
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You could fly there and ride one home, stopping along the way at a dealer for your 620 miles service. It would be a nice ride!
As long as you could avoid ice and snow, the Norge would do great and be nicely broken in by the time you arrived home.
I imagine Moto International could also ship it to you and spare you the ride.
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You could fly there and ride one home, stopping along the way at a dealer for your 620 miles service. It would be a nice ride!
As long as you could avoid ice and snow, the Norge would do great and be nicely broken in by the time you arrived home.
I imagine Moto International could also ship it to you and spare you the ride.
That's exactly what I'd like to do. It's just probably way too darn cold at the moment. For a 2600 mile trip, anyway...
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Being January, it's likely too cold in spots and also likely you'd be hit with a storm or three somewhere along the route. Add the fact that you'd be riding west to east, with some bad luck timing-wise, a storm could follow you most of the way.
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Or buy it now, arrange Seattle storage for several months (maybe even MI will do that for $$), and then fly-n-ride.
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Or buy it now, arrange Seattle storage for several months (maybe even MI will do that for $$), and then fly-n-ride.
Store it till the National in Oregon, fly and ride.
Dean
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Store it till the National in Oregon, fly and ride.
Dean
Yeah, I purchased my Norge in November, I could have stored it with them until spring.
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What is this storage of which you speak? :wink:
33 degrees + rain + darkness = an invitation to ride, especially a Norge!
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What is this storage of which you speak? :wink:
33 degrees + rain + darkness = an invitation to ride, especially a Norge!
Many dealers offer winter storage for customers bikes, just make a deal to have them store your bike until spring free of additional charges.
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^ I was joking.
You probably have snow there in Minnesota. Out here in Oregon and Washington, we mostly have cold rain. (I wish we had snow!) Consequently, out here, one could ride year-round for the most part and not bother with storage at all.
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Chances are waiting is no big deal either. In a few months it will probably be possible to find a Norge at a really good price too. It seems like there a are really good deals on them all year long.
There is no stampede to buy bikes right now.
MG hasn't announced some major new upgrades for the Norge so if its a 2013,2014,2015 or a 2016 they are the same bike.
Trade-ins are going to hit dealers with the new model releases in March so chances are getting a Norge at a super price won't be hard.
You've got dealers selling at $9k+, what do you think they will give on a trade? About $6500-$6700 for 2013-2014 models and then only if you are trading up. Otherwise figure high fives and the new FJR is going to attract quite a few as are other new models due out.
Time is on your side but its always a good time when you buy a Norge.
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Store it till the National in Oregon, fly and ride.
Dean
you are wise beyond your years
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I'm being told by my local dealer that there will be a $500 price increase pretty much across the board come the beginning of February.
Check the Fly 'N' Ride offer from MI - last time I looked, they covered up to $300 of your air fare if you wanted to do that.
jdg
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These are amazing prices.
Don't forget, you can have a purchased bike shipped to anywhere in the US for a few hundred dollars. No worries about fly n ride, storage and all of that.
In fairness, the 9,990 Moto International price is not out-the-door. Add about another $1000 of fees to close the deal. Then, of course on top of that,
you have taxes and tag fees at home to pay. Still a good deal. Other sellers around the country are offering similar deals.
You can also find killer deals on the California.
This initiates a discussion we've had many times. With inevitable price-slashing every year due to poor sales, why would very many people negotiate and pay anywhere near MSRP for a new Guzzi?
These dynamics close dealers and that hurts sales even more and adds to this downward spiral for the brand.
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you are wise beyond your years
Those years are adding up.
Dean
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These are amazing prices.
Don't forget, you can have a purchased bike shipped to anywhere in the US for a few hundred dollars. No worries about fly n ride, storage and all of that.
In fairness, the 9,990 Moto International price is not out-the-door. Add about another $1000 of fees to close the deal. Then, of course on top of that,
you have taxes and tag fees at home to pay. Still a good deal. Other sellers around the country are offering similar deals.
You can also find killer deals on the California.
This initiates a discussion we've had many times. With inevitable price-slashing every year due to poor sales, why would very many people negotiate and pay anywhere near MSRP for a new Guzzi?
These dynamics close dealers and that hurts sales even more and adds to this downward spiral for the brand.
What he said: By the time you pay the fees/sales tax/tags/title/etc.............you've be around $12k or over (depending on your state's sales tax rate. It's still a good deal if you're in the market for a Norge. I wonder how long MG will keep making them with these kind of price subsidies? (unless MG has a lot more margin in the bikes that I think that they have)
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A lack of customers among other things is what causes dealers to close. If there were more demand for Moto Guzzi bikes then the prices paid wouldn't be so negotiable or get dropped like they do.
The discounts are just a symptom of few people wanting to buy. We all like to think the Norge is one of the best ST bikes ( I am one of them) but the harsh reality is that most people who want an ST don't believe that.
Its very difficult to sell motorcycles if the manufacturer behaves like the IBM selectric typewriter salesman.
Change how the motorcycle buying public perceives MG and they will buy more MG bikes. Its a harsh reality few want to face but then you might notice the vintage of most bikes owned here, they aren't current manufacture. Why aren't most forum members out buying new MG bikes?
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Someone near Cleveland and Akron has been advertising this low mileage Norge for a long time. Since it has been relisted many times the $7200 price must be too high, at least for the northern Ohio market.
http://akroncanton.craigslist.org/mcy/5364348647.html
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Someone near Cleveland and Akron has been advertising this low mileage Norge for a long time. Since it has been relisted many times the $7200 price must be too high, at least for the northern Ohio market.
http://akroncanton.craigslist.org/mcy/5364348647.html
Suckie ad. Better ad, faster sale.
2007 Moto Guzzi Norge. An exceptional sport touring machine for the discriminating rider with unique looks and the benefit of exclusivity. This Norge has been well maintained and has low miles so the lucky buyer gets a practically brand new bike that should easily last longer than they'll want to ride a motorcycle.
With a smooth V engine that insures smooth performance at any speed, above 50mph the Norge is in its element, picking up miles and putting them down as long as you like.
The Norge is what Sport Touring is all about, being competent and comfortable on back roads that twist into knits or the open road with a destination beyond the horizon; it doesn't matter where you are going the Norge gets you there wishing the trip wasn't over.
Powerful Brembo brakes for stopping and the low maintenance CARC shaft drive for going all you need to do it grin you way to what others say is the ultimate experience in motorcycling, riding a Norge.
The 1200cc engine propels you and anyone or anything you take with you with effortless forward motion. The rumble of the V engine letting you know that it isn't asleep. The included side bags can each carry a full face helmet plus. Available ergonomic options allow you to make this Norge fit like a full body glove.
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Asking $5700, cash and local pickup only. I can deliver to a local pickup shipping company at your expense after you complete the sale.
The usual requirements for test rides apply.
Sell the story of riding a Norge and someone will buy it. Otherwise, chances are only other MG enthusiasts will be interested.
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New for 10,9 in Portland
http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/mcd/5388731778.html
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THE OTD price from MI is $10,780. It says so right there on the website. For me there would be an additional 8.75% sales tax in my own state of Louisiana and maybe another registration fee or two, so yes, all in I'm looking at very close to $12k after factoring in travel to get it and all else. But for a Brand new 2015 Norge... that still seems like a heckuvadeal! :thumb:
I personally want to make sure the bike fits, so I will try to go down to Pensacola and get my bum in one at their dealer, thought I don't think they have a demo to ride, which is ok. Maybe they can even come close in price on the 2014 norges they have, they still have 2 of them. Just haven't made the trip yet. Always something... :angry:
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Is this correct? The Norge was a 4 valver through 2010 then became an 8 valver starting 2011. 2011-2013 were flat tappet and 2014+ are roller tappet.
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Is this correct? The Norge was a 4 valver through 2010 then became an 8 valver starting 2011. 2011-2013 were flat tappet and 2014+ are roller tappet.
I could be wrong, but I thought the switch from flat to roller tappers occurred in 2012, which would make all 2013 and later Norges rollers.
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The discounts are just a symptom of few people wanting to buy. We all like to think the Norge is one of the best ST bikes ( I am one of them) but the harsh reality is that most people who want an ST don't believe that.
I think the average motorcycle rider probably doesn't even know that Moto Guzzi exists or what options they have for different riding classes. I remember seeing my first Red Norge back in 2009 and being smitten by the design, buying one 4 days later and wondering why I had never heard of the brand before that...probably just my ignorance, but I wonder how many other riders of BMW, Yamaha, Honda have actually heard of Guzzi, and I had had 2 Sport Touring motorcycles before buying the Norge.
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I, too, did not know much about Moto Guzzi until I began looking for a sport touring bike with locking, hard luggage that I could ride long distances in the rain, at night, and in the dark.
I could be wrong, but I imagine most buyers of sport touring motorcycles are older and more financially secure than many motorcycle buyers. For them, price may not be a determining factor. They may want features that the Norge does not have and are willing to pay many thousands of dollars more to get them.
For some, a BMW RT or a Triumph Trophy SE may be the bike for them because it has Sirius XM satellite radio, as well as electronic cruise control, heated seats, etc. If they absolutely must have those features, then the Norge is not for them, and they pass it by (if they have even heard of it).
I am really happy with my Norge. It would be nice to have a heated seat, electronic cruise control, and satellite radio, but I can ride contently without those (for now!).
Also, I dare day that motorcycles are toys for most buyers, like a boat or an RV. Few of us commute regularly on motorcycles. Toy buyers with $12,000 to spend on a bike might just have $20,000 for what they perceive as a nicer toy.
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Great points Jeff....nothing rides like the Norge...another 200 miler today out riding with Tom Nova on his Stelvio today up thru the Sam Houston National Forest, with the last hour back home after thawing out a bit in freezing cold and rain, and the bike is just rock solid, never skipping a beat.
Tomorrow a trip down to Galveston for lunch with Davedel and sunnier weather and Monday probably a loop out to Lockhart and back for some BBQ.
After that, into MPH for the regular service and some blacked out Xylan Valve covers to be installed by Larry.
My old BMW K1100 LT had a great stereo, bigger fairing, but buzzed a bit at 70 mph and was nowhere near as flickable as the Norge. Honest, I just absolutely love the Norge, and these days with Pandora Streaming or Iphones music thru Bluetooth to the Sena plus connected to the TomTom Rider, music, navigation and comms are covered nicely and just as efficiently as being built in. I also looked at the Trophy a couple of years ago, but never pulled the trigger, felt much more cumbersome than the Norge.
Even though my Corbin is super comfortable and has been great for 600-700 mile days, I'm also going to add a King of Fleece seat cover with a sheepskin underneath as Tom and I are thinking about getting IBA certified! We're probably nuts....but what the hell, more fun on the moto!!
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Going out of business since 1921.
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New for 10,9 in Portland
http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/mcd/5388731778.html
Expired?