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Title: Rosso For Sale
Post by: blackcat on January 16, 2016, 08:17:58 AM
Other than the scratches on the tank it looks pretty clean.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Moto-Guzzi-LeMans-V11-/252252337677?forcerrptr=true&hash=item3abb69360d:g:5JcAAOSw-zxWmUrc&item=252252337677
Title: Re: Rosso For Sale
Post by: guzziownr on January 16, 2016, 09:38:50 AM
titanium exhaust and the valve covers are not faded...  much.
Title: Re: Rosso For Sale
Post by: Sheepdog on January 16, 2016, 09:39:56 AM
Very nice. Wish I could make it mine...
Title: Re: Rosso For Sale
Post by: BMWDavid on January 16, 2016, 09:48:14 AM
Looks pretty nice...going to keep an eye on that one. Almost forgot, It will need a clutch replacement...
Title: Re: Rosso For Sale
Post by: arveno on January 16, 2016, 10:42:44 AM
Almost forgot, It will need a clutch replacement...



why ? this bike has dual plate clutch, pretty bulletproof .

Title: Re: Rosso For Sale
Post by: BMWDavid on January 16, 2016, 12:12:20 PM


why ? this bike has dual plate clutch, pretty bulletproof .

Yep you are correct...I was thinking of the '02 bikes (Scura, Tenni)
Title: Re: Rosso For Sale
Post by: drlapo on January 16, 2016, 12:40:49 PM
what is it worth?
I may be interested but I'd like to know it's value before I bid on it
are there any pitfalls to be wary of?
Title: Re: Rosso For Sale
Post by: Lcarlson on January 16, 2016, 12:48:56 PM
NADA book is $3792 w/ bags.
Title: Re: Rosso For Sale
Post by: Rox on January 16, 2016, 01:15:39 PM
NADA book is $3792 w/ bags.


These bikes always sell above NADA. But at 4k $ and reserve not met I'm sure they're expecting 7 or 8.  That bike is probably worth honestly $5k.. Maybe 5500. But this is e-bay and dumber shit has happened.
Title: Re: Rosso For Sale
Post by: JeffOlson on January 16, 2016, 01:15:46 PM
Very pretty! Wouldn't mind riding that!
Title: Re: Rosso For Sale
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on January 16, 2016, 02:18:57 PM
I'd say 6K is bottom dollar on that bike.
Title: Re: Rosso For Sale
Post by: blackcat on January 16, 2016, 02:37:39 PM
I'd say 6K is bottom dollar on that bike.

Yep. The forks and rear shock are probably worth almost half of that amount.
Title: Re: Rosso For Sale
Post by: drlapo on January 16, 2016, 04:39:48 PM
So NADA is that far off?
I'm thinking
Title: Re: Rosso For Sale
Post by: arveno on January 16, 2016, 05:20:21 PM
https://pennstate.craigslist.org/mcd/5403304422.html


6750 uds
Title: Re: Rosso For Sale
Post by: blackcat on January 16, 2016, 06:10:37 PM
what is it worth?
I may be interested but I'd like to know it's value before I bid on it
are there any pitfalls to be wary of?

I had one and put about 12,000 miles on the bike before I sold it and the only thing that went wrong was the speedometer but they all break for those years. Servicing the forks is not cheap but other than that they are well sorted and the bike handles great with that suspension. Buy it, they are pretty bikes and this one has the pipes and bags. I only sold mine because I purchased a Daytona.
Title: Re: Rosso For Sale
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on January 16, 2016, 07:26:49 PM
So NADA is that far off?
I'm thinking

It's worth the money..
Title: Re: Rosso For Sale
Post by: dxhall on January 16, 2016, 07:52:44 PM
I put the Ohlins forks and shock on my V11 Sport last year when I got the Le Mans fairing.  The Ohlins stuff is a definite improvement, and surely worth a premium over the stock setup.  If I hadn't done the swaps, I be very tempted to buy this Rosso.  They aren't making any more ...
Title: Re: Rosso For Sale
Post by: Arizona Wayne on January 16, 2016, 09:06:15 PM
Yeh, those Ohlins shocks may be superior, but every 25K miles they need to be rebuilt.   :huh:
Title: Re: Rosso For Sale
Post by: dxhall on January 16, 2016, 10:21:13 PM
Not so sure about the Ohlins rebuild interval.  The set I bought had 60k miles.  I sent the forks and shock to Racetech for a rebuild, and they told me all was well.  They just replaced the seals and set the forks up for my weight.
Title: Re: Rosso For Sale
Post by: bpreynolds on January 17, 2016, 08:56:14 AM
I had one and put about 12,000 miles on the bike before I sold it and the only thing that went wrong was the speedometer but they all break for those years. Servicing the forks is not cheap but other than that they are well sorted and the bike handles great with that suspension. Buy it, they are pretty bikes and this one has the pipes and bags. I only sold mine because I purchased a Daytona.

Just curious, what was so special for you about the Daytona that led you to sell the Corsa?
Title: Re: Rosso For Sale
Post by: blackcat on January 17, 2016, 09:28:07 AM
Just curious, what was so special for you about the Daytona that led you to sell the Corsa?

Quite frankly, I regret selling the Rosso. I was sort of half interested in selling the bike and someone came along with the right price and when he got here I tried my best to get him to not buy it, but he was sold. 

The Daytona is a much less refined bike compared to the RC, but if you ever rode them back to back you'd know right away which one is more appealing. Aesthetically, it is at the top of the list of the spine frame bikes, the engine is something else and I actually prefer the five speed over the later transmissions. The downside is of course parts.
(http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r317/blackkat-1/IMG_1200_zps652c18f2.jpg)
Title: Re: Rosso For Sale
Post by: Tom on January 18, 2016, 05:40:42 AM
Daytona RS vs. a Rosso Corsa.  Good question.  I have the Nero Corsa and Daytona RS.  They're both fun and good rides.  The Daytona is a sportier ride.  The Corsa is a long distance ride.  The Corsa feels more refined while the Daytona has a rougher edge to me.  The Daytona is the power bike.  The Corsa is a smoother ride to me.
Title: Re: Rosso For Sale
Post by: rocker59 on January 18, 2016, 08:24:01 AM
So NADA is that far off?
I'm thinking

NADA and KBB are almost meaningless in the Guzzi world.

There simply are not enough sales for them to establish a market, so they make basic mathematical calculations of depreciation.

Which don't count on a 1 of 50 special edition machine like a Nero Corsa, Rosso Corsa, Coppa Italia, etc...
Title: Re: Rosso For Sale
Post by: blackcat on January 18, 2016, 10:05:11 AM
Daytona RS vs. a Rosso Corsa.  Good question.  I have the Nero Corsa and Daytona RS.  They're both fun and good rides.  The Daytona is a sportier ride.  The Corsa is a long distance ride.  The Corsa feels more refined while the Daytona has a rougher edge to me. The Daytona is the power bike.  The Corsa is a smoother ride to me.

Yeah, that sums it up.
Title: Re: Rosso For Sale
Post by: bpreynolds on January 18, 2016, 10:36:55 AM
I've wanted a Nero or Rosso for the longest time, even recently almost purchased a Tenni but given the suspension and other issues, would obviously rather have one of the former.  Unfortunately, now on EBay at $5400 and reserve not met yet, they've already eclipsed what my post Christmas budget could afford  :boozing:
Title: Re: Rosso For Sale
Post by: bpreynolds on January 18, 2016, 11:34:42 AM
Hmm.  Of course, this is the non-Nero version and would possibly need a new clutch, but any ideas on what his "electrical" issue is/might be?
http://knoxville.craigslist.org/mcy/5406848260.html
Bad battery?  :laugh:
Title: Re: Rosso For Sale
Post by: rocker59 on January 18, 2016, 12:04:42 PM
Hmm.  Of course, this is the non-Nero version and would possibly need a new clutch, but any ideas on what his "electrical" issue is/might be?
http://knoxville.craigslist.org/mcy/5406848260.html
Bad battery?  :laugh:

2003 will not need a clutch, unless it's been abused.  All the 2003 spine-frame bikes had the good dual-plate clutch.

Starting issue?  He implied that it can be bump started, so my 1st guess would be bad starter. 
Title: Re: Rosso For Sale
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on January 18, 2016, 12:07:53 PM
^^^^ correctomundo. Probably a dirty starter soleniod or startus interruptus.
Title: Re: Rosso For Sale
Post by: rocker59 on January 18, 2016, 12:15:17 PM
^^^^ correctomundo. Probably a dirty starter soleniod or startus interruptus.

My Nero's starter had one of the magnets come loose and lock it up.  I just grabbed the starter off the Sport 1100 and all was good for my camping trip that weekend on the Nero.

Got a new starter for the Nero the next week, and returned the "loaner" to the Sport 1100.  Quick and easy on Guzzi !
Title: Re: Rosso For Sale
Post by: Tom on January 18, 2016, 02:00:09 PM
Hmm.  Of course, this is the non-Nero version and would possibly need a new clutch, but any ideas on what his "electrical" issue is/might be?
http://knoxville.craigslist.org/mcy/5406848260.html
Bad battery?  :laugh:

Boy.....are you guys lucky, I'm not looking for one. :laugh:  AS stated, easy fix.
Title: Re: Rosso For Sale
Post by: Tom on January 18, 2016, 02:07:33 PM
NADA and KBB are almost meaningless in the Guzzi world.


TRUE!  KBB is based on math for their numbers before a sale.  Marketing tool for car salesmen.  NADA based on actual reported sales by member dealers, in-lieu of actual sales calculated like KBB.  So for MG sales, it's a calculated guess all the way.
Title: Re: Rosso For Sale
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on January 18, 2016, 04:59:35 PM
Boy.....are you guys lucky, I'm not looking for one. :laugh:  AS stated, easy fix.

And, most likely FREE. (Guzzi content) Clean the solenoid, or glue the magnet back, or maybe add a wire & relay. If I was wanting one, I'd take cash in hand and take it off his hand.  :smiley:
Title: Re: Rosso For Sale
Post by: arveno on January 18, 2016, 05:29:18 PM
sorry to jack the thread , is anyone close by ?
seriously..... that's a good deal....

http://knoxville.craigslist.org/mcy/5406848260.html
Title: Re: Rosso For Sale
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on January 18, 2016, 05:58:26 PM
sorry to jack the thread , is anyone close by ?
seriously..... that's a good deal....

http://knoxville.craigslist.org/mcy/5406848260.html

That's the one we are (currently)  :smiley: talking about, Arveno..
Title: Re: Rosso For Sale
Post by: bpreynolds on January 18, 2016, 06:09:22 PM
That's the one we are (currently)  :smiley: talking about, Arveno..

I'm not too greatly far away.  You guys best stop the encouragement before I buy the thing.  Already traded voicemails with the fella so hopefully actually speak with him soon about it. He doesn't seem to list mileage in the ad. 
Title: Re: Rosso For Sale
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on January 18, 2016, 06:13:47 PM
I'm not too greatly far away.  You guys best stop the encouragement before I buy the thing.  Already traded voicemails with the fella so hopefully actually speak with him soon about it. He doesn't seem to list mileage in the ad.

Just go buy it.. *assuming* it doesn't have 200K miles.. I saw he didn't list mileage, either.  :smiley: Fix it for free and laugh up your sleeve.  :wink:
Title: Re: Rosso For Sale
Post by: Moto Fugazzi on January 18, 2016, 07:47:32 PM
Just go buy it.. *assuming* it doesn't have 200K miles.. I saw he didn't list mileage, either.  :smiley: Fix it for free and laugh up your sleeve.  :wink:
I'm with Chuck on this. I'd be all over this as well if I was closer.
Ken
Title: Re: Rosso For Sale
Post by: fotoguzzi on January 18, 2016, 07:51:02 PM
 

I want this thing pretty bad, can anyone help me?

have since cooled off on this one, hope someone can give it the love..
Title: Re: Rosso For Sale
Post by: Tom on January 19, 2016, 04:43:15 PM
Clean the connections to the starter.
Title: Re: Rosso For Sale
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on January 19, 2016, 06:11:27 PM
All the above are FREE. It should be in your shed by now.. :smiley: :boozing:
Title: Re: Rosso For Sale
Post by: Craig in Alabama on January 19, 2016, 06:16:47 PM
One ride on a Daytona started my Guzzi lust. I picked up a '95 1100Spot as soon as it was available, and then an EV11 and then a LeMans....
I'd still love to have a Daytona, or another Spot.

Cheers!
Craig
Title: Re: Rosso For Sale
Post by: stick on January 20, 2016, 11:50:22 AM
Could be the permanent magnets in the starter dropped off, like one did on mine.  New starter fixed it nicely.

Oops, missed the previous comments about the magnets!    Best of luck to the new owner!
Title: Re: Rosso For Sale
Post by: Tom on January 20, 2016, 04:50:19 PM
Buy a new magnet housing from John at Euroelectrics.  Best way to fix the starter. :thumb:
Title: Re: Rosso For Sale
Post by: BMWDavid on January 25, 2016, 08:31:51 PM
The Rosso sold for $6700.00!
Title: Re: Rosso For Sale
Post by: bpreynolds on January 25, 2016, 08:36:45 PM
The Rosso sold for $6700.00!

Yup.  It was on my watch list too.  Seems like some small bit of validation for what a good, mostly clean, and exceptionally rare and gorgeous Guzzi should bring. 
Title: Re: Rosso For Sale
Post by: BMWDavid on January 25, 2016, 08:42:44 PM
Yup.  It was on my watch list too.  Seems like some small bit of validation for what a good, mostly clean, and exceptionally rare and gorgeous Guzzi should bring.

Might this be the slow beginning in the rise of V11 prices? As others have said they aren't making these bikes anymore and clean unmolested examples surely should generate desire. I fully understand the concept that these bikes should indeed be ridden and enjoyed.

Title: Re: Rosso For Sale
Post by: bpreynolds on January 25, 2016, 08:54:25 PM
Might this be the slow beginning in the rise of V11 prices? As others have said they aren't making these bikes anymore and clean unmolested examples surely should generate desire. I fully understand the concept that these bikes should indeed be ridden and enjoyed.

I've been noticing V11s gaining a bit of much deserved cred in the used market of late; yet, I dunno if this one bike is any indication per se.  With only 7k on the odo and aside from the scratch, meticulous condition, it is a real gem and rarity.  I think the $6700 is maybe more than I expected it to sell for but not by much. 
Title: Re: Rosso For Sale
Post by: rocker59 on January 25, 2016, 09:17:58 PM
Might this be the slow beginning in the rise of V11 prices? 

It's in the ballpark for an Ohlins-equipped V11 LeMans.  The Rosso Corsa and the Nero Corsa.
Title: Re: Rosso For Sale
Post by: H-E-ROSS on January 25, 2016, 11:25:48 PM
As has been said before "book value" is not accurate. It took a a little bit of work on my part, to get a a fair settlement on my crashed Tenni.
In the end negotiations worked out. It did however subsequently sell on eBay, in it's damaged condition, for slightly less than my initial settlement offer.
If I hadn't all ready replaced my ride with a GRiSO I would have had a keen interest in this Rosso. It looked like a great specimen.