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Title: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: ohiorider on February 20, 2016, 07:12:35 PM
I posted pics a few years ago of my small Pioneer entry-level component system I purchased in 1980.  It was truly bottom-end ..... my buddies kidded me about the 'pottery wheel' belt drive turntable.  I used the amp in conjunction with a tv and speakers until 1995, when it failed.  Several years later (2013) I found an individual who was willing to find and install a power supply for the amp, and also rebuild the Eclipse speakers (that I inherited) that had dry rotted around the support rubber.

I truly enjoy playing old vinyl.  And one that exercises this little system is a Chicago album (Chicago 16.)  Lesser albums make it sound like what it was .... cheap.  But an album like Chicago 16 has this little component system rocking!

Kind of a neat feeling to know that I'm still enjoying a stereo I purchased when I was 37 years old, and I'm now the flip flop of that ......73!

Analog rocks!

Bob
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: HardAspie on February 20, 2016, 07:26:10 PM
I get it! My current audio system is a 1980s GE detachable speaker portable - an early boombox: AM / FM Cassette. It does not have a lot of power' being designed to operate off batteries. It cannot actually boom much. Its cassette deck has no Dolby and so there is some tape hiss. But dang. It was designed to reproduce music, not movie sound tracks with their explosions and deep faux bass. It just sounds, well, sweet. It has real limitations. It probably would impress few, but it makes music sound like music.
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: ohiorider on February 20, 2016, 07:31:18 PM
I get it! My current audio system is a 1980s GE detachable speaker portable - an early boombox: AM / FM Cassette. It does not have a lot of power' being designed to operate off batteries. It cannot actually boom much. Its cassette deck has no Dolby and so there is some tape hiss. But dang. It was designed to reproduce music, not movie sound tracks with their explosions and deep faux bass. It just sounds, well, sweet. It has real limitations. It probably would impress few, but it makes music sound like music.
I get it ..... and you get it!

Bob
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: HardAspie on February 20, 2016, 07:32:29 PM
 :boozing: We get it! High five!  :bow:
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: oldbike54 on February 20, 2016, 10:29:21 PM
 Analog is tha bomb  :thumb:

 Dusty
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: HardAspie on February 20, 2016, 10:31:59 PM
 :smiley:
We may be in the minority, but we are right.
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: HardAspie on February 20, 2016, 10:52:11 PM
Ohhh! Vinyl and cartridges. Stratospheric territory now.
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: HardAspie on February 20, 2016, 10:59:14 PM
I have a fond place in my heart for each: cassette and 8 Track. I loved my Akai Dolby open reel deck.
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: ohiorider on February 20, 2016, 11:22:29 PM
Don't have the open reel or 8 Track, but I do have the cassette player that matches the other component pieces.  All it needs is new drive belts, I think.  Unfortunately, I only have one cassette that I can play back.  Maybe I can find some blanks and record some of the vinyl albums over to tape, just for grins!

Bob
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: HardAspie on February 20, 2016, 11:24:57 PM
My open reel is long gone. But I can record and play cassettes.
Sometimes you can find used pre recorded cassettes is thrift stores. I have a few. The GE makes them sound so nice.
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: kirkemon on February 20, 2016, 11:48:42 PM
I'm looking for a new system.
For many I had a Bang and Olufsen 5500 system including the Beovision. When it worked it was nice, but it had reliability issues, so when I went to HD I dumped it. In hindsight, I should have kept the turntable.

I'm thinking about the Harman Kardon AVR 1610
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: HardAspie on February 20, 2016, 11:53:28 PM
If I had the bucks and space, I have neither, I would love:
Receiver: Pioneer SX 1250
Turntable: Sony PS 8750
Cartridge: Dunno: possibly an Ortofon
Tape: Pioneer CT 1250
Other processing: SAE 5000 Impulse Noise Reducer
Speakers: Klipschorn

Ha! That will be the day.
Happy with my GE "Thingie".
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: rob-mg on February 21, 2016, 12:14:29 AM
I posted pics a few years ago of my small Pioneer entry-level component system I purchased in 1980.  It was truly bottom-end ..... my buddies kidded me about the 'pottery wheel' belt drive turntable.

The cool kids had Empire turntables, and the really cool kids had Quad amps and Quad electrostatic speakers. The people who weren't cool enough to know about Quad speakers, or couldn't afford them, or thought that they were too weird looking, went with Tannoy (especially if they wanted a lot of bass and had plenty of room), and a subset, into a more neutral sound, went with B&W.

As far as I know, nobody dissed Pioneer - widely regarded as solid gear at a good price. It certainly wasn't seen as junk.
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: fossil on February 21, 2016, 12:27:59 AM
This is a nice thread!

Back in those glorious days I sold and repaired HiFi components. My favourite brand was Pioneer. They offered well-made, not too expensive stuff that sounded nice. The power supply of the amps and receivers had the same fault for decades: some regulating transistors did dissolder themselves. The amps then would bag like a pistol (not too good for the speakers). Properly resoldered they then worked for years.

I still use my old Pioneer SA 8500 II, the loudspeakers are S1010 (and need refoaming). My turntable is a Dual 1229, and I have several nice cartridges. I love that stuff!

Especially the small Pioneer receivers and amps were better sounding than some expensive equipment.

If I need new speakers, I will choose the Klipsch Heresy III - another very old design.
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: v65tt on February 21, 2016, 02:36:13 AM
so old meets new here then..

nice analogue turn table connected to sonos connect and onto sonos speakers...!  trust me to be different
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: Toystoretom on February 21, 2016, 02:50:13 AM
I love this stuff too. I have a Pioneer SX 1250 that I use with a Technics 1200 turntable that has a Stanton "Disco Duty" cartridge. I pump that into a set of Magneplanar (Maggies). A little Emmylou Harris, or Little Feat, or possibly Savoy Brown and you can just melt away.

The SX 1250 makes about 200 watts a channel and I think you can weld with it, but that's not what it is for. Even turned down so low it is almost off it has a punch and presence that you can't believe at such a low volume. It has a few ponies in reserve.

The Maggies are a combination of weird and awesome. You need 200 watts to drive those.

The Technics 1200 had LED stobe lights before LED's were invented and a  microprocessor before those were invented, what's up with that??? The turntable platter IS the motor (no belts or gears) and it just makes everything else look silly. I do believe it is the only real turntable still being produced today.

You guys should visit AudioKarma:

http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/index.php (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/index.php)
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: Toystoretom on February 21, 2016, 03:14:49 AM
But.... If I ever hit the lottery... I wouldn't say no to a couple of McIntosh tube amps   :grin:
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: Zoom Zoom on February 21, 2016, 04:39:16 AM
8 tracks never got their due.  they were superior to the cassettes that replaced them

Only on a convenience level. Otherwise not at all. As the tape wound its way to the middle, it was a declining radius, which meant it had to rub on itself as it wound smaller and then pull out the middle at a slight angle in order to make its way to the pick up head again. That was not doing the sound quality any good. I still have many 8 track tapes, as well as a tape deck that I can plug into my receiver and play them. Truthfully though, the 8 tracks never sounded as good as cassette tapes. Especially if you recorded your own and had a good blank to start with. I preferred the high end Memorex tapes that you could purchase at the time.

My current turntable is a Pro-Ject 5.1 SE. Three legs make it very easy to level, A longer carbon fiber tone arm with a counter weight and an anti skid weight with a decent cartridge at the end. A five pound platter and you have a nice turntable that keeps any resonance down. I do enjoy listening to vinyl.

A really nice source for vinyl, along with other stuff is here: http://store.acousticsounds.com/ . I have been buying from them for some time now and they are a great source for music of all kinds. 180 and 200 gran vinyl are easy to find there. They also opened up their own shop a few years ago and have repressed some music. Nothing better than a piece of virgin vinyl on a turntable.

John Henry     
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: Don Ivey on February 21, 2016, 08:34:26 AM
I'm streaming from Tidal to my iphone6, then through a Chord Mojo into Sennheiser HD-600 headphones.  The sound will blow you away.  But, I need to get a turntable to play all the vinyl I've accumulated over forty years.  Any suggestions? 

Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: fossil on February 21, 2016, 10:07:53 AM
Well, there are interestic solutions. Of course the Technics SL 1200 G (yes, they make a new version!). Thorens is still in production: http://www.thorens.com/home.html . And the same company that produced the Dual - turntables in the past make them still today (regrettably only in German: http://www.alfredfehrenbacher.de/1.html ). However I don“t know whether the Dual - tables are available overseas (for us Germans the USA are overseas...).
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: Guzzistajohn on February 21, 2016, 10:58:23 AM
I'm running a NAD amp I bought in the '80's with a set of Klipsch Herasy speakers. My music is all in ITUNES (over 7000 songs) but I have a V-Dak digital to analog converter between the PC and the amp. It's no Macintosh, but I do like the convenience of the song selection. Sounds pretty good : )
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: Zoom Zoom on February 21, 2016, 11:07:23 AM
I'm streaming from Tidal to my iphone6, then through a Chord Mojo into Sennheiser HD-600 headphones.  The sound will blow you away.  But, I need to get a turntable to play all the vinyl I've accumulated over forty years.  Any suggestions?

Follow the link I put in the post above yours. They have turntables from reasonable to over 40K. There is even a model that has a USB interface that you can take your vinyl and convert it into mp3's.

John Henry
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: pikipiki on February 21, 2016, 12:46:46 PM
Still had a Rega Plana 2 until 12 months ago. Vinyl being quite I fashion my daughter borrowed it. Rega turntables are still made almost the same as they have always been. Seem to hold most of their value you cant go far wrong with one new or second hand. Only issue with Vynil - styluses (styli?) are not cheap if need to replace one.
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: Two Checks on February 21, 2016, 01:50:12 PM
Old skool rules.
Fisher RS-2015 receiver and Kenwood KT-5500 tuner w/JVC JA-S55 amp.

Both bikes have points, too.
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: fossil on February 21, 2016, 01:51:42 PM
About the sound of analogue recordings: I still use a well-maintained ReVox A-77 open-reel recorder. And I make live - recordings of flute orchestras (yes, there are such orchestras). I use several Sennheiser microphones, for example the MD441. It sounds great! The interesting thing happens when I convert the recordings into digital signals (CD-mode, 44100 Hz, 16 bit). Boy does it lose in quality! Ant it is not a question of the converter appliance I use. It�s simply - it sounds harsh and unnatural.
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: K250 on February 21, 2016, 05:30:18 PM
A Good quality component system sure is nice to have around!  No doubt about it. 
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: HardAspie on February 21, 2016, 05:35:15 PM
A Good quality component system sure is nice to have around!  No doubt about it.

I doubt that I will ever again have a wonderful system, but I still like analog.
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on February 21, 2016, 06:01:02 PM
Quote
It�s simply - it sounds harsh and unnatural.

This. It's the same between fuel injection and carbs. Yes, both will get it done, but there *is* a discernible difference with analog vs. digital. Color me analog. <shrug>
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: BRIO on February 21, 2016, 07:48:33 PM
Can't figure out how to rotate this but I just finished this pair.

(http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/attachments/multi-way/528016d1454079275-system-pictures-description-image.jpg)

Love tubes:

(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSRhLXm4w6MzqYHa9hjPDSpv2OiCZPZ7jF5uwgZkiZwcJuzP-r3)

...and dials...

(http://www.hifiengine.com/files/images/Accuphase%20m-2000.JPG)

...tubes and dials...

(http://www.audioresearch.com/ContentsFiles/Ref75SEangleSM.jpg)

...lotsa dials...

(http://img-2.gizmag.com/moog-revival.jpg?auto=format&ch=Width%2CDPR&crop=entropy&fit=crop&h=394&q=60&w=700&s=d9134fb5810e934e99ce0205d299c46c)
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: HardAspie on February 21, 2016, 08:07:45 PM
Not only analog, but valves! Bravo!
I am so glad that I do not by nature succumb to jealousy.
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: kirkemon on February 21, 2016, 08:16:00 PM
OK - old school rules. But I'd like a few DMI inputs :tongue:
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: BRIO on February 21, 2016, 09:10:45 PM
Italian analog...

(http://www.sonusfaber.com/ContentsFiles/cover%20news(3).jpg)
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: HardAspie on February 21, 2016, 09:28:51 PM
I believe that the first car int he world with EFI was the Volkswagen Type 3 and its EFI was analog.
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: HardAspie on February 21, 2016, 09:36:05 PM
Good!

An unstirred pot is full of. . .  nah that ain't it
An unstirred pot falls from. . .nope not that either
An unstirred pot gathers, what does it gather? ... no
Well and unstirred pot does something lamentable so keep stirring.
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: kirby1923 on February 21, 2016, 10:08:07 PM
This. It's the same between fuel injection and carbs. Yes, both will get it done, but there *is* a discernible difference with analog vs. digital. Color me analog. <shrug>

Me too!
Carbs work on the principles of physics and Bernoulli which has kept me aloft for quite some time thru thick and thin.
Electric (digital) carbs  ) use 0's and 1's.
Analog is..well elegant.
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: HardAspie on February 21, 2016, 10:11:29 PM
it might be naught but traces of the things of my time, but I am comfortable with analog and with mechanical systems. Some think I am a bit off plumb for wanting gravity fuel feed to a carburetor. I well may be. But I still want that simplicity in lieu of digitronic's endless string of incomprehensible devices.
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: HardAspie on February 21, 2016, 10:51:43 PM
and all you carb people should go back to points...

Anything else is pointless.

I actually would if possible.
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: fossil on February 22, 2016, 01:57:54 AM
BRIO - a Moog! My favourite keyboard player comes to mind - Keith Emerson. He also drives one of my all-time favourite bikes, the lovely Norton Commando.
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: dguzzi on February 22, 2016, 08:04:03 AM
Geez and I have been trying to sell 70's tuner/amp (Kenwood) and Sony reel to reel for a friend for over a year. I'm sure he would let them go very reasonable. We did sell his speakers and turntable (wish I had that now)  I also have Marantz cassette machine but it seems to need a rebuild.
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: Dilliw on February 22, 2016, 08:18:57 AM
I went from 8 tracks to cassettes to cd's so I don't have that emotional connection to records that some of you have.  The 8 tracks and cassettes went away a long time ago and I have ripped all of my cd's to FLAC along with the album artwork.  Between my collection and Spotify I guess I've gained a whole lot in terms of sounds and convenience but lost a whole lot in terms of touches and smells.

Now I'm playing the  hi-rez game with admittedly so so results.

Top end of my system is Foobar2000 in ASIO mode feeding a 9018K2M based DAC. 


Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: bigtex on February 22, 2016, 09:20:35 AM
Whatever you do, don't run across your old Pioneer tape deck in a junk shop and be reminded how stunningly beautiful it was.  Because then you want one, and a receiver to play it, and the reel to reel you never had, ....

(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h140/big_tex_2002/Stuff/IMG_20160222_081126702_zpsfqm0sl5u.jpg) (http://s63.photobucket.com/user/big_tex_2002/media/Stuff/IMG_20160222_081126702_zpsfqm0sl5u.jpg.html)
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: kirby1923 on February 22, 2016, 09:32:15 AM
and all you carb people should go back to points...

Ha!
Tell you what I'm old enough to not be "afraid" of points. Got a couple of hundred K miles using them even my old Healey has 'em.
I can adjust them with a screw driver and a match book and change them on the side of the road in about 10 minutes.
mike
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: HardAspie on February 22, 2016, 09:51:47 AM
Ha!
Tell you what I'm old enough to not be "afraid" of points. Got a couple of hundred K miles using them even my old Healey has 'em.
I can adjust them with a screw driver and a match book and change them on the side of the road in about 10 minuets'.
mike

I have been let down on the road by digital systems that work perfectly until they don't. But I have never, ever, been left roadside by points. I think that is because if one just follows book service specifications including intervals one will rarely have a problem. But also, unlike digital that can simply stop at any time and require electronic diagnosis, points will start talking to you hundreds of miles before they fail. So, on that occasion in which the points are not going to make the service interval, take ten minutes and fix them up. I must say too that I always carried spares. I like them.
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: Mark West on February 22, 2016, 10:20:44 AM
If I had the bucks and space, I have neither, I would love:
Receiver: Pioneer SX 1250
Turntable: Sony PS 8750
Cartridge: Dunno: possibly an Ortofon
Tape: Pioneer CT 1250
Other processing: SAE 5000 Impulse Noise Reducer
Speakers: Klipschorn

Ha! That will be the day.
Happy with my GE "Thingie".

I had an SX-1250 for a while. What a beast. Weighing ~60 pounds and being wider and deeper than almost anything else meant it was hard to find a home for. I ran two pairs of JBL L100's off it and it could blow the roof off the house with a good rock record. I played with it for a few years and sold it on CL for 400 bucks. I had paid 80 at a salvation army store so a good deal for both of us.

Don't think it would work well with klipschorns though. They are designed for low power tube amps and the massive power from the 1250 would be wasted on them.
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: Shorty on February 22, 2016, 10:25:42 AM
I gave my son what was left of my old Marantz system, and vinyl recordings. All but my John Mayall records. He has to wait til I croak for those.  :wink: Also gave him most of my weapons and ammo. He probably thinks I'm terminal, lol.
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: Mark West on February 22, 2016, 10:27:54 AM
My current system is a Kenwood KR7600 receiver driving JBL L-100's and a recently acquired pair of DCM CX-17 monitors. For sources I have two turntables; Thorens TD145 for good vinyl and a Philips belt drive (not the famous one with capacitive switches), and a 1980 era Yamaha cassette deck. The only modern part is a USB sound card for ripping vinyl to digital.

In the garage a Marantz 2020 given to me by a bay area guzzi friend and a pair of late 70's marantz speakers that have had the surrounds replaced. Source is a yamaha cd changer and my iphone.

Vintage rules!
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: BRIO on February 22, 2016, 02:42:48 PM
BRIO - a Moog! My favourite keyboard player comes to mind - Keith Emerson. He also drives one of my all-time favourite bikes, the lovely Norton Commando.

He plays the big ones that look like a flight engineer panel. Pretty impressive. Are you familiar with these? Electric keyboard anno 1974

(http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af12/joachimroselio/Mobile%20Uploads/image_2.jpeg)

(http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af12/joachimroselio/Mobile%20Uploads/image_2.jpg)
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: HardAspie on February 22, 2016, 04:02:15 PM
I had an SX-1250 for a while. What a beast. Weighing ~60 pounds and being wider and deeper than almost anything else meant it was hard to find a home for. I ran two pairs of JBL L100's off it and it could blow the roof off the house with a good rock record. I played with it for a few years and sold it on CL for 400 bucks. I had paid 80 at a salvation army store so a good deal for both of us.

Don't think it would work well with klipschorns though. They are designed for low power tube amps and the massive power from the 1250 would be wasted on them.

It would be fine with the KHorns. Sure it would run at very low power, but the headroom woulld be unbelievable, and the 1250 has such clarity and a pre amp stage with variable cutoff frequency HF and LF capability and real Fletcher - Munson loudness curve tone controls and the combo would be fantastic.
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on February 22, 2016, 06:14:20 PM
I have been let down on the road by digital systems that work perfectly until they don't. But I have never, ever, been left roadside by points. I think that is because if one just follows book service specifications including intervals one will rarely have a problem. But also, unlike digital that can simply stop at any time and require electronic diagnosis, points will start talking to you hundreds of miles before they fail. So, on that occasion in which the points are not going to make the service interval, take ten minutes and fix them up. I must say too that I always carried spares. I like them.

Absolutely. That's why you don't see airplane engines with electronic ignition.
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on February 22, 2016, 06:15:48 PM
Quote
I guess I've gained a whole lot in terms of sounds

Maybe quantity, but *not* quality.  :evil: :smiley:
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: HardAspie on February 22, 2016, 07:49:13 PM
Absolutely. That's why you don't see airplane engines with electronic ignition.

Desackly!
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: TodkaVonic on February 22, 2016, 08:19:04 PM
Hey I just picked up one of these

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/gramovox/floating-recordtm-vertical-turntable

It works fairly well as an all-in-one system for a smaller room. It's not for the audiophile, not by a long-shot, but pretty cool nonetheless.

Also, check out

http://vinylmeplease.com

It's a record club. Remember those? I've been a member for going on two years. If you look back through the albums they've sent out, you'll get an idea of what to expect should you join.



Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: HardAspie on February 22, 2016, 08:21:29 PM
With speakers in same enclosure as tone arm base how do they avoid microphonic effect?
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: HardAspie on February 22, 2016, 08:27:01 PM
there does seem to be underlying qualities amongst the guzzisti.  doesnt surprise me there are a lot of pilots, and beer lovers, and tube amp stereo lovers, classic car lovers, and watch lovers..  it all goes with the territory.

I think you are on to something,

Watches! I have an inexpensive "Zavtra" (faux Russian brand, mechanical with a Sea-Gull TY 3600 movement (17J, no auto wind, HMS only with second hand at 9 o'clock position - 36 series movements are pocket watch) under mineral glass clear back. Seems to keep time within COSC specs...but since Chinese no COSC!

Lover of French cars.

Aviation enthusiast but the finances outclimbed my earning potential.

Love Guzzi but cannot afford, but love this forum and plan on a very very simple bike soon.
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: HardAspie on February 22, 2016, 08:43:00 PM
i want a sea gull

I will give that marque a strong recommendation. Mine keeps great time and looks great too - okay the Zavtra case is a bit bulky - but the movement is just downright pretty...if not baroque. I think this is the official US website:

http://usseagull.com/index.asp

Lookee this one: http://usseagull.com/EnProductShow.asp?ClassID=57&ID=93

Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: TodkaVonic on February 22, 2016, 08:44:55 PM
With speakers in same enclosure as tone arm base how do they avoid microphonic effect?

I think that that's not an issue since this is solid state and not a vacuum tube system. There is a very, very slight hum that's inaudible with any volume whatsoever from the speakers. Like I said, it's not an audiophile-level system, but a novel and relatively inexpensive all-in-one.

Addendum:
Wait, you're talking about interference between speakers and needle...no idea how they got around that. Seems to work pretty well though, for smaller spaces.
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: HardAspie on February 22, 2016, 09:00:11 PM
I think that that's not an issue since this is solid state and not a vacuum tube system. There is a very, very slight hum that's inaudible with any volume whatsoever from the speakers. Like I said, it's not an audiophile-level system, but a novel and relatively inexpensive all-in-one.

I was thinking the cartridge.
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: TodkaVonic on February 22, 2016, 09:04:19 PM
I was thinking the cartridge.

See above. Did this site just crash?
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: HardAspie on February 22, 2016, 09:07:02 PM
See above. Did this site just crash?

I think it did. I hope it was wearing a Snell full face and leathers.
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: TodkaVonic on February 22, 2016, 09:09:06 PM
I think it did. I hope it was wearing a Snell full face and leathers.

Ha!
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: fossil on February 23, 2016, 02:54:26 AM
Aeroplanes? Oh yes - I am member in a flying club (albeit not a pilot). I love working on these things. My two best friends have really nice planes: one has a Klemm 107 B (the last that was build), one a 107 C (three or four planes younger). Nice!

By the way: I like the electronic injection and the ignition of my V 7 Stone. Carburetors I have on my old Johnson outboards....

And watches? Well, the Tissot PR 516 I wear is about 40 years old. My fathers old watch. A nice memory.
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: kingoffleece on February 23, 2016, 04:56:19 AM
Loved the OHM F speakers.  And Magnaplaners!

Somebody mentioned the MOOG synths.  My Uncle Bill and father were two of the original investors in Dr. Moog.  I was at the factory many times as a kid and my sister worked there.  Met Keith Emerson several times and got to hear some amazing stuff in the factory control room.  I hadn't even thought of that in many years.  This thread brought back some very cool memories.

That same factory also had dozens of prototype "Sweet Sixteen" speaker arrays.  This system idea got to be better known as the BOSE 901 series.
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: Dilliw on February 23, 2016, 07:19:32 AM
Loved the OHM F speakers.  And Magnaplaners!


That same factory also had dozens of prototype "Sweet Sixteen" speaker arrays.  This system idea got to be better known as the BOSE 901 series.

Ah the loved/hated Bose 901's.  If you got the originals right, including adjustment of the EQ box and using the proper Phase Linear amplifier, you could get them to sound great.  And you had the best speakers ever for dorm parties as they sound great in a crowded room.  But you had to work for the magic and most people back in the day ended up with so so performance.

Modern sub technology has really made full range performers like the 901's obsolete in my mind.
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: fossil on February 23, 2016, 07:56:44 AM
The 901: take away the wooden stuff of the cabinet, take the plastic core with the 8 (or so) speakers to the audition and use it as a midrange guitar - and voice speaker. Then it is adequate. They call it the 803. As a HiFi - speaker it is useless. For parties however...

Give me any Klipsch of the Heritage series however and it blows away (nearly) each other speaker. And you can listen to good recorded music also.

Okay, for not-too-loud music a Quad ESL-63 (or its Braun licence version L-1000) is perfect. And an Ohm F with the correct equalizer-setting and a strong and good amp also.

Or - comparable to the Klipsch series - an Altec Lansing 19. An ElectroVoice Sentry III. Or...
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: Dimples on February 23, 2016, 08:56:13 AM

Well, how about horns?
This isn't entry level stuff, but it's analog and made in the USA:

http://oswaldsmillaudio.com/imperia

(http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad123/osteoglossum/Image_zpsmdsgwgxp.jpg) (http://s928.photobucket.com/user/osteoglossum/media/Image_zpsmdsgwgxp.jpg.html)
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: PJPR01 on February 23, 2016, 11:50:37 AM
I see that Macintosh seems to be a favorite in the Audiophile community and even some car makers are using B&W as well these days and even higher end Bang & Olufsen systems.

I've been running a Rotel Amp/Tuner/Receiver paired up with Bowers & Wilkins 804's and a Definity SubWoofer now for about 14 years - I figured it was like a Guzzi...better to pay for highest quality I could afford at the time and keep it for a lifetime and these things will last forever and they look amazing.  If you close your eyes and sit at the apex of the triangle of sound, you can hear the "position" of the instruments as if they were recorded on stage...absolutely sublime. 

The best part is they will play any sort of music from Maria Callas at La Scala to Snoop Dogg to Robert Cray and each one will come thru as if it were being played at the studio...at low volumes or full blast.

Now if you want to go NUTS...check out the AvantGarde speakers...that's a work of art!!

Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: Cool Runnings on February 23, 2016, 03:21:34 PM
 :popcorn:

(http://www.dead.net/sites/default/files/images/19740323_0943.jpg)
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: drums4money on February 23, 2016, 05:22:05 PM
I've ordered from these folks on occasion:
http://www.musicdirect.com/

I like that they still send out a good ol'fashioned catalog.  Lots of great gear from analog to digital.

I've recently picked up an amp by Emotiva:  https://emotiva.com/
I'm very impressed with the build quality, performance, and the price. . . Guzzi content!
My music is mostly on iTunes, so it's a dock, direct into the Emotiva amp, and into a pair of mid-size Polk Audio towers.
I'd like to try vinyl, but space is limited in a condo, and I'm reluctant to start from scratch building a vinyl library.

Every year I'll rotate this solid state setup out with a Jolida integrated tube amp & B&W CM series monitors. 

Modest price setups with decent performance.  Pleasant audio from each that's different enough to really appreciate the nuances of each.

I am pleased that I finally decided to do it proper- let audio be 2-channel - and stop buying the hype of a 11.1 channel 1,470 watt all-in-one setup. 
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: Guido Valvole on February 23, 2016, 09:29:53 PM
@ Cool Runnings -- yeah, somebody had to post the Wall of Sound  :grin:  First time I heard it was outdoors at Kezar Stadium in Golden Gate Park, SF. Waylon Jennings opened. Sound was a bit quite. So it got turned up -- imagine a high-end stereo going from 1 to 4. NO distortion. The Dead came on and did a long and wonderful show, sounded like a good audiophile system.

Which it was as they'd commandeered every McIntosh 2300 power amp available at the time. Absurd overkill from the ever-fertile mind of Owsley. They nearly went broke lugging that beast around -- 2 complete sets worth.

I used the Marantz 2020 receiver that I got circa 1975 until 2003 when one channel started to go out. Took it to the local repair place only to find they were having a going out of business sale.  :cry: Got a good deal on an Onkyo receiver and some Energy speakers, later inherited a pair of B&W DM 220s for the living room. Still have plenty of vinyl and lots that was never reissued on other media. I buy whichever medium is the cheapest, my ears are definitely not audiophile quality.

Did give up on tube/valve guitar amps because of tube availability and weight. Have an Evans EA100 that has trick circuitry that can come pretty damn close to a blackface Fender sound and enough headroom to deal with drummers. My back and Twin Reverbs are never gonna be friends again...
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Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: HardAspie on February 23, 2016, 09:39:29 PM
:popcorn:

(http://www.dead.net/sites/default/files/images/19740323_0943.jpg)

Disaster Area concert?
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: fossil on February 24, 2016, 03:45:03 AM
Dimples, the American-made Klipsch Heritage Series (Heresy, La Scala, Cornwall, the Klipschorn) comprises a lot of horns!
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: kingoffleece on February 24, 2016, 06:01:02 AM
Phase Linear-I remember them.  The engineers used to call the Fuzz Linear!

Nowadays those guys use the incredible Krell amps with no measurable distoration.
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: Dilliw on February 24, 2016, 07:33:21 AM
Phase Linear-I remember them.  The engineers used to call the Fuzz Linear!

Nowadays those guys use the incredible Krell amps with no measurable distoration.

Yep that was Bob Carver's first creation before he sold the company to Pioneer.  A lot of that noise came from the matching pre-amp they sold with them.  That was the king of high power, low THD amplifiers back in the day and you needed lots of horsepower (wpc) to make the 16 single drivers work in the 901s. 

I run the Nelson Pass Amp Camp Amp monoblocks with my single driver horns; they top out at a whopping 6wpc but that's twice as much as the tube amp they replaced.  It's all about pairing the right amplifier to the right speaker...
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: Cool Runnings on February 24, 2016, 07:50:44 AM
Whatever you do, don't run across your old Pioneer tape deck in a junk shop and be reminded how stunningly beautiful it was.  Because then you want one, and a receiver to play it, and the reel to reel you never had, ....

(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h140/big_tex_2002/Stuff/IMG_20160222_081126702_zpsfqm0sl5u.jpg) (http://s63.photobucket.com/user/big_tex_2002/media/Stuff/IMG_20160222_081126702_zpsfqm0sl5u.jpg.html)

Interested?

Reel-to-Reel Master tapes...

Santana

CCWR - Willy and the poor boy's

The Moody Blues - A question of balance

The Band - Stage Fright

Rolling Stones - Yet yer ya-ya's out

The Doors - Absolutely Live

Buffalo Springfield - Last time around

CCWR - Green River

The Doors

Santana - Abraxas

CCWR - Cosmo's factory

CCWR - Bayou country
Title: Re: NGC - there's just something nice about analog stuff ... Pioneer entry level
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on February 24, 2016, 11:22:54 AM
Probably the best I've had for speakers were Dahlquist DQ 10s with an add on sub.
Adcom power amp, pre amp, and tuner. DQs *need* a lot of power, but the sound stage is wonderful.
When I moved in with Dorcia to the 900 sq. ft. log cabin (including the upstairs) we had to downsize. NHT towers are pretty good, and as deaf as I am  :rolleyes: wonder why?? it'll be my last stereo system.