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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: harrytief on March 02, 2016, 09:27:41 AM
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I am turning seventy some time soon and there are still inappropriate bikes on my bucket list. Two are the griso and the sport 1100. I've ridden the griso and loved it but know very little about the sport 1100. I see sport 1100's come up here often enough but don't know enough to choose between the later bikes with the fuel injection and the usd fork or the earlier bikes. I would love to see a comparison of the two from owners of both. The griso (love it in red for 2016) strikes me as the circle closed for the sport 1100 and getting one is just a short drive down to the store. Do I wait for a primo sport 1100 (like the blue on WG currently) to present itself or think griso. Will someone who has owned both try a comparison of the sport 1100 and the griso.
Now back to pulling the clutch out of the cx100...
Thanks
Harry
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Depends on what you want. The Grease O is much more refined, and a "better" motorcycle. That said, the Kid is selling his big G and keeping the spot.
The Spineys are the last of the *real* Guzzis. :evil: :popcorn:
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Sport has the clunky 5 speed, Griso the smooth as butter 6 speed.. plus you need gorilla arms to reach the bars on the Sport.
for me there's no real comparison- get a Griso.
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I've only tooted around on a Spine but I rode the Griso about 300 miles the other day then hopped on my EV for a while. Holy shite Batman! The Griso is a completely different animal in terms of motor and transmission. It's crack for Guzzi addicts :grin:
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58- inch wheelbase on the Sport 1100. 62-inch wheelbase on the GRiSO.
Clip-ons for the Sport 1100, and not much room for height adjustment. Tubular bars on the GRiSO.
Sport 1100 is a 1980s-tech Italian racebike built for the street in the 1990s. There's no mistaking the link to the racetrack when you ride one.
GRiSO is a 21st Century standard roadster with a relaxed wheelbase and seating position.
I've owned a total of seven Guzzis. My first was the 1996 Sport 1100, which remains in my garage. It's an awesome, elemental Italian sportsbike. Definitely not for everyone. Really only right for a few. You will have to be willing to adapt to the Sport 1100 to become comfortable and confident on it. If not, then you will be disappointed.
I rode my Sport 1100 in the Colorado Classic 1000 last year. It was great fun. I know only a handful of people who would agree.
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I rode my Sport 1100 in the Colorado Classic 1000 last year. It was great fun. I know only a handful of people who would agree.
Count me in. The Sport is great out on the road. Not so much in town..
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You must have a very well cared for body to be considering an 1100 sport. Lol
Totally committed riding position (think Duc 916), but a most beautiful bike!
Did a SaddleSore1000 on my 1997 Sport i "just because". Most of the time bike is a constant
reminder of MY physical thresholds of pain, except on those glorious rare occasions (think fast sweepers). Body parts replacement will make you cry..
That said, it is a true BLB (Bucket List Bike) Lifes Short!!
I only have 300 on my new Griso, I just feel faster and smoother on it.With less effort.
It fits me, it suits me.
In your shoes, "I" would get the sport!!
In the fastest yellow color, of course!!
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Yeah it's a reach to the clip ons. Don't really notice it much at speed. Seat is surprisingly comfortable.
Not an "around town" bike for sure.
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Griso is a much more practical day to day bike. The 1100 is a force of nature, and only really feels right for me on fast curvy roads. And you need to be flexible, fit and slightly mad to deal with the sheer sporting commitment of the thing.
Having said that, I'm planning to put clip-ons on my Griso...
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I am turning seventy some time soon and there are still inappropriate bikes on my bucket list. Two are the griso and the sport 1100. I've ridden the griso and loved it but know very little about the sport 1100. I see sport 1100's come up here often enough but don't know enough to choose between the later bikes with the fuel injection and the usd fork or the earlier bikes. I would love to see a comparison of the two from owners of both. The griso (love it in red for 2016) strikes me as the circle closed for the sport 1100 and getting one is just a short drive down to the store. Do I wait for a primo sport 1100 (like the blue on WG currently) to present itself or think griso. Will someone who has owned both try a comparison of the sport 1100 and the griso.
Now back to pulling the clutch out of the cx100...
Thanks
Harry
Any 70 year old on a Sport 1100 is badass by definition.
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The thread needs pics.
My Sport 1100 has been from Sea Level in Mississippi, to 14,114 at Pikes Peak. Alabama to Utah, Mississipipi to Illinois, and most States in between. It's worn soft luggage, a Givi top case, it's been used as a commuter, as a track day mount, and for long distance riding. It's a super fine motorcycle.
Through all that, the bike has kept it's stock seat, stock pegs, and stock clip-ons, though I did try Heli-Bars for a bit, before returning to stock. I've upgraded the front brakes, the carbs, and the exhaust. The Staintune exhaust REALLY made a difference. The Keihin FCR41 carbs REALLY improved the riding experience. The bike dynos in the mid-80s and returns fuel economy in the mid-40s.
19-years of ownership:
Departing Cripple Creek for Denver, and the start of the 2015 CC1000.
(https://rocker59.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/2015-June-18-Western-Adventure/i-Pdmr2qT/2/M/DSCN4628-M.jpg)
Atop Pikes Peak, a couple days after the 2015 CC1000.
(https://rocker59.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/2015-June-18-Western-Adventure/i-pcdMdPK/2/M/DSCN4857-M.jpg)
Lunch Ride to Buffalo River. 2013.
(https://rocker59.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/2013-May-26-Low-Gap-Ride/i-pjkJQzg/0/M/05-M.jpg)
Watching Boxley Valley Elk after a Withrow Springs campout. 2012.
(https://rocker59.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/2012-December-1-Jasper-Ride/i-jwspV8t/0/M/DSCN9473-M.jpg)
Wringing it out at Barber's in Birmingham. 2005.
(https://rocker59.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Birmingham-Milk-Run-Barbers/i-v34zx7N/0/M/IMG_8063-M.jpg)
Hallett Oklahoma. 2004.
(https://rocker59.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Hallett-Trackday-October-2005/i-r3Gn2bt/0/M/mike%20guzzi%209-M.jpg)
Monticello Utah. 1999.
(https://rocker59.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Park-City-1999/i-v6mG5r7/0/M/devils%20highway-M.jpg)
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The 1100 sport , it is just a beauty .( imho )
no matter what .
I could look at it all day long....
I personally like the simplicity of the carbed model .
Look at this beauty.
http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/mcd/5458738717.html
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Amazing pics
Awesome. Great to see it on track! Just awesome.
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Do I wait for a primo sport 1100 (like the blue on WG currently)
Which blue one? Has someone listed a blue Sport 1100 for sale? I haven't seen it...
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Which blue one? Has someone listed a blue Sport 1100 for sale? I haven't seen it...
On the Classifieds MGNO
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Awesome. Great to see it on track! Just awesome.
Another Barber's pic
(https://rocker59.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Birmingham-Milk-Run-Barbers/i-CWqTNWh/0/M/IMG_8821-M.jpg)
Another Hallett pic
(https://rocker59.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Hallett-Trackday-October-2005/i-JvzNpgn/0/M/mike%20guzzi%209a-M.jpg)
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Rocker59 has given you great advice...I just want to emphasize the importance of fitness, the Sport is demanding and gets tiring after 5-6 hrs or even less time on challenging roads, but much more fun than my old BMW R1100R.
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may i suggest you a Le mans 1000 ?
Powerful engine , simple machine , less tiring riding position .
Have you already owned one ? of le mans ? ( in that case , disregard this post. )
btw the blue 1100 sport is gorgeous .
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Sport 1100 is a snorting crazy machine. The handling really only makes sense at speeds that will get you a ticket. Touring can e done but you have to have the attitude that it will be uncomfortable after 500 miles.
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I've got one, they're mad, make no sense in the modern world, only understand being ridden hard. and will make you young again.
Everyone should have one.
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Any 70 year old on a Sport 1100 is badass by definition.
We would say he is about 1/2 bulldog here in Oklahoma :bow:
Dusty
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I am in the process of putting the '97 back on the road.
It was put in long term storage a few years ago, the clutch rod was one of the batch that had a soft tip and needed to be replaced, I was not up to it then so I put it away and just a few weeks ago pulled it back out to get going on it again.
She will also receive new paint, I have neat Verlicchi multi adjustable bars to go on it, the PO had installed Centauro controls and those will stay...
The Sporti is absolutely visceral in it's power delivery and I love the roar of even the stock cans however, I cannot ride it for very long...
Like I told one of my colleagues just today, I am not old, I am chronologically mature... LOL
If I never did ride it again, I love to just look at it... gorgeous machine.
Best,
Rob
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I am turning seventy some time soon and there are still inappropriate bikes on my bucket list. Two are the griso and the sport 1100. I've ridden the griso and loved it but know very little about the sport 1100. I see sport 1100's come up here often enough but don't know enough to choose between the later bikes with the fuel injection and the usd fork or the earlier bikes. I would love to see a comparison of the two from owners of both. The griso (love it in red for 2016) strikes me as the circle closed for the sport 1100 and getting one is just a short drive down to the store. Do I wait for a primo sport 1100 (like the blue on WG currently) to present itself or think griso. Will someone who has owned both try a comparison of the sport 1100 and the griso.
Now back to pulling the clutch out of the cx100...
Thanks
Harry
Gidday Harry,
I have a 97 Sport 1100, really not suitable for town work, but get her on the open road and magic happens! As many have said, the seating position is a bit of a stretch but sitting fwd on the seat helps, I love mine puts a smile on my face every time I "throw a leg over her"!;-)
Flexible hips and knees are the go for this girl and good core strength! If you have these abilities then you should be ok, they are not the most comfortable! For me it's a real pleasure to ride through twisty mountain roads!
Try to ride one if you can before committing! As, I agree they are not for everyone.
Good Luck & Cheers!
PS I am 5'10" 86kg and good flexibility for my age (58) (LOL)!!!!
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May I suggest a V11 LeMans? A bit better riding position than a Sport due to the bars mounted above the triple clamps. Still a spiny and plenty of character. I'm 61 and have two of these bikes. Got into the Moto Guzzi's last year. Should have done this years ago.
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Quick Question , how similar/different are the engines 1100 Griso ,....Sport 1100
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Gidday Harry,
I have a 97 Sport 1100, really not suitable for town work, but get her on the open road and magic happens! As many have said, the seating position is a bit of a stretch but sitting fwd on the seat helps, I love mine puts a smile on my face every time I "throw a leg over her"!;-)
Flexible hips and knees are the go for this girl and good core strength! If you have these abilities then you should be ok, they are not the most comfortable! For me it's a real pleasure to ride through twisty mountain roads!
Try to ride one if you can before committing! As, I agree they are not for everyone.
Good Luck & Cheers!
PS I am 5'10" 86kg and good flexibility for my age (58) (LOL)!!!!
Welcome to WG, and you are absolutely right. I was really bummed when I was a mere youth in my 60s and had a problem riding sport bikes. I thought I was in pretty good shape for my age.. a personal trainer thought otherwise. What doesn't kill ya makes ya stronger.. :smiley: He said my core strength sucked, we'd work on that, and I was back on sport bikes in no time. I can now ride the Aero Lario or the Mighty Scura all day without an issue.
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Quick Question , how similar/different are the engines 1100 Griso ,....Sport 1100
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Well, they're both Moto Guzzi V-Twins... I don't think much interchanges, though...
The Griso makes more power, but the Sport 1100 is in a pretty high state of tune, so runs nicely. Especially with a little carb and exhaust work. The USA bikes were pretty corked up.
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Welcome to WG, and you are absolutely right. I was really bummed when I was a mere youth in my 60s and had a problem riding sport bikes. I thought I was in pretty good shape for my age.. a personal trainer thought otherwise. What doesn't kill ya makes ya stronger.. :smiley: He said my core strength sucked, we'd work on that, and I was back on sport bikes in no time. I can now ride the Aero Lario or the Mighty Scura all day without an issue.
Every ride, I have no weight on my arms as I start out, and if the ride is a few hundred mile I have all my weight on my arms at the end!
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Which blue one? Has someone listed a blue Sport 1100 for sale? I haven't seen it...
It is pretty nice looking to me. Not a bad price for a model that is on the rise.
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It is pretty nice looking to me. Not a bad price for a model that is on the rise.
Youse guys are killing me. How's about a link to this blue bike?
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may i suggest you a Le mans 1000 ?
Powerful engine , simple machine , less tiring riding position .
Turns like a truck and stops like a cartoon character on a banana peel.
The latter sports had much lighter wheels and a much better front suspension, there is also now the knowledge to sort the injection. Having said that I have the carbed version but they really need FCRs and a exhaust to sort them out some money thrown at the suspension and brakes also helps no end. I've ridden a 2valve griso yes the gearbox is a bit slicker but other than that was completely underwhelmed. I'm not sure what Guzzi did to the motor less compression milder cam smaller valves heavier flywheel, whatever it was the motor lacked the bite of the 1100 sports and its not like the sport is a fire breather to begin with. The half fairing on the sport is also pretty effective where as the griso at elevated speeds you'll be doing your very best impersonation of a wind sock Supposedly the carbed versions were the meanest edition of the 2valve motor ever made emissions and noise regs caught up with it after than although we are talking single digit percentages here. My understanding is the sport is quiet a bit lighter than the Griso to boot. Ride them both buy the one to like the most.
The other complication to throw in is the V11 Lemans offers good wind protection and middle ground between the sport and the Griso might be worth checking out.
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Youse guys are killing me. How's about a link to this blue bike?
http://www.mgnoc.com/classifieds.html (http://www.mgnoc.com/classifieds.html)
2nd or 3rd listing down
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http://www.mgnoc.com/classifieds.html (http://www.mgnoc.com/classifieds.html)
2nd or 3rd listing down
(http://www.mgnoc.com/images/classifieds/robsmith.jpg)
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Thanks Ponti and Dean. I was looking around here on WG and neglected to check MGNOC.
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The red is pretty...the yellow is sexy... but the blue, the blue is too gorgeous to be an inanimate object.
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A thought.
Not knowing the testicular encumberation of a Griso but well aware of that of the Sports.
Maybe a practical difference is in nard displacement?
Those Sports are swimmer killers.
Me? I have just enough inseam to be OK but I've seen folk struggle mightily for their love of the Sports. It's really not too comely a sight.
Todd.
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+1 Greenman. I've not owned a Sport, but have wanted one for years. I know it will be as comfy as the Daytona, with the same; Nobody passes me attitude. Full face grins in your full face helmet. Funny how I can do a 400 mile day on the Daytona w/ 10+ years on you. Question: Do you have a rowing machine? BTW. Getting the side stand down has always been big trouble.
Good fortune, R3~
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My friend has the carb version of the Sport 1100, 1996(?). Anyhow, I love this thing for the raw, uncompromising brute that it is. I used to call it Moto Guzzi's version of Kawasaki's ZX11 back in the day. Pulls like a freight train (comparable to a Buell S1 White Lightning), and easily goes past 100mph with no effort. Comfort wise, it's not! Even as a young man in my early 30s, I had no desire to ride the thing a long distance and this was after having had my LM3 for years with clip ons. Even though I've never been fortunate enough to ride a Griso, it sounds like from what others here are saying, that it's the way to go.
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BTW. Getting the side stand down has always been big trouble.
Good fortune, R3~
While sitting on the bike reach down with your left hand and extend the stand.
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Deploying sidestand.
For the longest time, I got off of the bike, then deployed the sidestand with my right foot.
Then, I picked up a V11 Sport/Lemans side stand with the wire handle on it. Now I can deploy the sidestand while seated.
Many people replaced the pivot bolt to disable the auto retract function, but I never did.
I got used to the auto retract, though I always have to warn people who might be tempted to sit on it! I use a bungee from the sidestand to the brake rotor, when the bike is left unattended in public places. A trick I picked up from a Bimota friend who learned the hard way...
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Deploying sidestand.
I got off of the bike, then deployed the sidestand with my right foot.
I always thought this is the way to do it , no matter the motorcycle. ( and it is what i have been doing it )
I only seen Harley guys deploying it while being seated....LOL that is funny as hell to me....
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I've used the left hand while seated. Definitely got rid of the pivot pin and stopped the auto-retract. I'm 5'8". Reaching the handle bars not a problem but you have to ride differently than a LeMans V11. A tank bag helps.
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yeah, that auto retract is crazy. WTH were they thinking?
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Cheap safety feature. Most riders start a bike up after getting upright.
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yeah, that auto retract is crazy. WTH were they thinking?
a "safety" law was enacted that a motorcycle should not be able to run in gear with side deployed. Late 80s / Early 90s law.
Instead of adding a side stand switch interlock, most Italian OEMs did the spring-loaded suicide stand.
Easy way to comply with the law without adding electrical complication to the bike.
Guzzi, Ducati, even Bimota had bikes so equipped, until in the late 90s the makers began doing the side stand switch that wouldn't allow the bike to run in gear with the stand deployed.
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I fortunately never found a need to deploy mine with my hand but I did learn to not lean it onto the stand till I was full off.
That "safety" return spring knob lasted something like a week for me.
Todd.
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My biggest problem with the auto retract is my other road bike doesn't do it. In gear let clutch out motor stops.
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After dropping the bike a couple of times trying to deploy the stand, I changed out the bolt so that it no longer retracts. I have never felt comfortable stepping off of a motorcycle that was not already "standing" on its own.
Gratuitous pic: (http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o54/HR1029a/100_0035.jpg)
And, everyone says it's completely impossible to tour on one. :evil: (Especially if you are old, fat, and ugly.)
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I have no trouble deploying the stand while seated. I do it every time.
I have no auto-retract. Also our 2015 Indians have no side stand interlock.
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64 years old, 70kgs 5 ft 6 and a bit. I call my 1100 sport the exercise machine. I have been riding motor cycles for over 50 years and this contraption has taken me to a new level of motor cycle pleasure. Track days, sport riding, touring, rallies,Sunday rides and also its not really that bad around town, just stick it in second and chaff along.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg3-5tYAVSo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg3-5tYAVSo)
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I dont know how these bikes have slipped through the classic cracks but they are very enjoyable to ride. I have to reach forward and deploy the side stand by hand while I am seated on the bike, no auto retract on mine.
Cheers, voncrump
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Great vid Voncrump
and nice smooth riding ..nice to hear that Guzzi roar ... :bow:
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Sport has the clunky 5 speed,
I actually prefer the 5 speed on the Daytona.
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Sidestands: the ones on the V11 sports with the wire loop are super-easy. Most of my street bikes have been easy to set on the stand and then dismount. But it's not a worry to dismount first and then deploy the stand - maybe dirt bikes have gotten me used to that.
1100 Sports - yummy. Thanks for the photos, especially the blue one. If one were to be available nearby at the same as I had some cash in pocket, it would extremely hard to resist...
To the OP: one of the "special edition" V11 sports with Ohlins suspension might be worth looking at: Scura (if flywheel issue already addressed), Rosso Corsa, Nero Corsa, Cafe Sport. All the V11 sports have the wonderful 6-speed tranny.
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I actually prefer the 5 speed on the Daytona.
Yeah. And, I don't mind it on the Sport 1100.
The bikes are geared pretty tall and don't require a lot of shifting.
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I own both.
The GRiSO is faster, more comfortable and smoother. It just is. It's by far a better bike than the Sport.
That said...
The SPOrT is WAY more rewarding to ride fast. I had the baby brother of the 916 - a 748 and it was a scalpel compared to the SPOrT, which is akin to a broadsword.
But take that Broadsword and perform a castration on a bull without dying - well now you're an artist...
Eric
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I've only ridden the 87v Griso some 500km, great power, great handling & I can understand the addiction of others, but not nearly as "exciting" as the Sport. The Sport is more satisfying to look at, more satisfying to sit on at rest, more satisfying to start up, more satisfying to ride. But then the Sport fits me like a glove (5'11", 33" inseam, 80kg, & now only 69) & is the most comfortable long distance tourer I've ever ridden.
No weight at all on the wrists usually (gravel roads excepted, but that my lack of skill) and at the end of one particular stretch of road - 80km & a reported 5,000 corners in mostly 2nd & 3rd gear the wrists did feel well-used. It's not nimble in town, so I compensate accordingly. My sidestand doesn't self-retract & the left hand reaches it easily - it's just down a bit from the hand grip, and I can kick it out with my foot to deploy it. I've put an extra couple of inches on the end of the stand, so it doesn't tend to fall over with luggage anymore, although it does flex alarmingly.
I'd prefer the Sport to the Griso, but it has to FIT you. So try each & see which "speaks" to you. The name of the game is "smiles per miles"
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I actually prefer the 5 speed on the Daytona.
Thanks Blackcat, I've never ridden a new bike so the Sport/Daytona 5 speed seems pretty normal to me.
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The GRiSO is faster,
The 8 valve Griso is the 2 valve isn't
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Faster? Eh, I could name *several* that are faster. Doesn't matter.. these things are toys. Do you enjoy operating it? Does it "speak" to you? If you're not having fun with your toys, you are playing with the wrong toys. :smiley:
Jets are for kids.. :wink:
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Faster? Eh, I could name *several* that are faster. Doesn't matter.. these things are toys. Do you enjoy operating it? Does it "speak" to you? If you're not having fun with your toys, you are playing with the wrong toys. :smiley:
Jets are for kids.. :wink:
yep this faster , slower than stuff means little ..its how you feel when you ride and having fun is what its all about IMO
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg3-5tYAVSo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg3-5tYAVSo)
What fun to watch! Wonderfully smooth, consistent and fast! But that key fob was driving me crazy - can't see the tach.
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Brake fluid?
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The brake fluid is just above the lower level mark. Castrol Response dot 4 replaced every year, coming up for replacement soon. I would not be charging around with dodgy brakes. One other wildguzzi member has commented on the fluid and he seems to be able to tell that it needs replacement. The front fluid gets a bit discoloured but the back gets very dark. This is why I replace it every year. The cap is a bit tatty but that is almost normal for an alloy brake master cylinder cap. I try to keep my bike in good condition but it is not MotoGP perfect. By the way I was disappointed with the key fob getting in the way of the tach. I was using 7000 rpm as a shift point and grunting it down below 4000 at several parts of the track.
Cheers, voncrump
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my cap looks similar, kinda like polish was left on and not wiped off.
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The brake fluid is just above the lower level mark. Castrol Response dot 4 replaced every year, coming up for replacement soon. I would not be charging around with dodgy brakes. One other wildguzzi member has commented on the fluid and he seems to be able to tell that it needs replacement. The front fluid gets a bit discoloured but the back gets very dark. This is why I replace it every year. The cap is a bit tatty but that is almost normal for an alloy brake master cylinder cap. I try to keep my bike in good condition but it is not MotoGP perfect. By the way I was disappointed with the key fob getting in the way of the tach. I was using 7000 rpm as a shift point and grunting it down below 4000 at several parts of the track.
Cheers, voncrump
Good to hear.