Wildguzzi.com
General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: BRIO on June 02, 2016, 11:06:17 AM
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Hasn't even had time to self destruct yet.
http://orlando.craigslist.org/mcy/5605542760.html
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God I love those Tennies, but $8500 seems a bit steep if the rollerization hasn't been done yet.
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The "very rare" is obviously not rare enough! I show up at a bike night and park right next to another one.
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g152/Dilliw/.facebook_1460746577448_zpsvty0kcxz.jpg)
Yeh the problem is he's competing against factory roller bikes that can be had at the same price point.
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He may very well not be aware of the rollerization thing ...... yet (or may be he does and that is why it's for sale).
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Called and talked to the owner...
said roller fix was completed by guzzi dealer in Jacksonville...
He said he has the paperwork as proof.
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Very nice color combo indeed!
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Tempting indeed...this one and the Blue Stelvio out in Cali!
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Ok...you fly out to Cali and ride the Stelvio back here! :)
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I'm tempted...but got a few other projects in the works at the moment, so going to pass, but it's a beauty. Out in Temecula...the guy who posted up here a week or ago...beautiful blue Stelvio...
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Gorgeous...but my plate is full right now, or up to ears in water and other projects....
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God I love those Tennies, but $8500 seems a bit steep if the rollerization hasn't been done yet.
If you think about it, it's still not bad. I remember saying that once or twice when any given 1000S was a couple of years old and their prices hardly when down from new, unless you lucked into one!
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Somebody in Houston buy this bike so I can be your pal and then we can swap bikes and. Crap, if it was local, I would be temped to pull out my checkbook if it rolls as advertised. Rode a Griso once. Damn impressive bikes. Had a bit of issue with forward kickstand. Heavy things, but once moving, yeah, wow.
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Even though the Griso is probably way more motorcycle than is good for me, if I wasn't in the middle of spending too much $$ on a new custom bicycle, I'd be lining up a shipper now.
The more I think about it, the more I think - when am I ever going to see a well-sorted, barely-used Tenni Griso come up for sale again? Knowing that the rollerization is done on it already, I have to take back my initial comment about it being priced too dear. I hope he gets close to what he's asking, I'll have to be content with my V7 for now. Luckily, I love it.
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If only it was closer...blah...bla h...
They make trucks that haul motorcycles.
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I'm gonna start a delivery business , Dusty's delivery service , you buy , I ride it to you . Our motto , it will get there , eventually :evil:
Dusty
I think you're onto something!
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I think you're onto something!
:thumb:
Yeah , now try convincing these other guys of the wonderfullness of my idea :laugh:
Dusty
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Dusty,
So you say you are approving my interest in this Tenni Griso, and would fly to Orlando, and then ride deliver it to my Villa, then drink my scotch and eat a steak from the Tiki grill? How much?
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ok
so now i just got a text from the owner that the jacksonville dealer that serviced the bike told him that it did have the roller issue and that it only effected 2009-2011 models...
is ther a vin number series that had the problem?
or is there a vin number where it had the good rollers?
i am strongly considering this bike, but need to be certain on the roller issue.
what say you Mr.Roper?
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Dusty,
So you say you are approving my interest in this Tenni Griso, and would fly to Orlando, and then ride deliver it to my Villa, then drink my scotch and eat a steak from the Tiki grill? How much?
Expenses , and a 100 bucks or so :laugh: Hey , just being a good Guzzi brother :grin: Oh , no worries on the Scotch and steak front , a burger and a beer will do nicely .
Dusty
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Dusty,
So you say you are approving my interest in this Tenni Griso, and would fly to Orlando, and then ride deliver it to my Villa, then drink my scotch and eat a steak from the Tiki grill? How much?
Well now that sounds like a sweet offer Dusty...you'd be the first to see this infamous villa, I keep thinking one day Greg is going to host a Houston Guzzi Monster Garage at the new digs...you know, Guzzis, Italian fizzy drinks, pasta and steaks, a little rock and roll music, dancing girls etc...
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There is no such thing as a 'Good' flat tappet bike. None of the Tenni Green models came with rollers ex-factory. If it is low mileage and has been rollerised and the sump cleaned properly you are probably OK but no cast iron guarantees. This is the sad and uncomfortable truth. Anybody who tells you that the issue only affected *Some* years and models and that theirs, miraculously, doesn't fit into that group is either misinformed or dishonest.
Pete
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There is no such thing as a 'Good' flat tappet bike. None of the Tenni Green models came with rollers ex-factory. If it is low mileage and has been rollerised and the sump cleaned properly you are probably OK but no cast iron guarantees. This is the sad and uncomfortable truth. Anybody who tells you that the issue only affected *Some* years and models and that theirs, miraculously, doesn't fit into that group is either misinformed or dishonest.
Pete
Do you really think a 2000 mile bike would have significant shavings in the sump already?
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Sorry, I was confusing this with Luap's Stelvio thread.
No, at 2,000 miles it is unlikely there will be DLC missing but if you look at them in strong sunlight from an oblique angle you will be able to see the difference in the surface texture and appearance of the coating that presages the delamination of the coating.
Regardless of this the fact is it isn't a matter of if it will fail, simply when. The rapidity of total failure varies greatly but short runs, damp climates and infrequent use are early killers and I suspect certain engine speeds are also a contributory factor. One thing that it's NOT a factor is oil delivery, there is plenty and it gets everywhere it should. Using a full ester synthetic is important but not really in relation to the tappet failure issue.
If this bike hasn't been rollerised knock two grand off the asking price or walk away. There are plenty more fish in the sea.
Pete
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Get him to pull a valve cover and send a pic. It's the only way to be sure.
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Waiting on a decision here Greg :laugh:
Dusty
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Dusty,
We need some way of determining the engine is rollerized, genuine fix. Then...you might be surprised.
I think the Tenni Griso is perhaps the most beautiful modern Guzzi ever made...
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Oh, another thing. It may well be that the current owner believes it's been rollerised but it may well in fact have just had the earlier recall swap from cast iron to DLC coated forged steel tappets. This is, unfortunately, NOT a satisfactory fix but it may be believed with good faith by the current owner that it has been rollerised.
As stated the only way to tell for sure is to look. I'll post up pics in a few minutes so you can tell the difference.
Rolly-Poly
(https://c3.staticflickr.com/1/757/20666596154_8a24be68bd_o.jpg)
Flatty Crappy
(https://c3.staticflickr.com/6/5759/20516760602_111c87d24e_o.jpg)
Pete
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Oh, and here are a couple of pics of damage at 14,000Km. These were off a 1200 Sport which, for some reason, seem to be harder on their tappets than other models. Usually they are worse than this by this stage.
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7415/27467667665_b36e9b97fc_o.jpg)
Note the tappet in the bottom left. If you only glance casually it would look OK but I got the light on it just right and you can see the decay. The damage to the other three is obvious.
And another pic from a different angle. I fear that some shops would see damage such as this and might just put it down to 'Normal wear and tear'. It Isn't.
(https://c5.staticflickr.com/8/7185/27368555732_24163acf71_o.jpg)
Pete
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I'm gonna start a delivery business , Dusty's delivery service , you buy , I ride it to you . Our motto , it will get there , eventually :evil:
Dusty
Reminds me of the old ARDU (Aircraft Research Development Unit) who were still running C-47's in the late 90's commonly known as Dakota Airlines, We Get There.... Eventually. 50 plus year old aircraft (at the time) tended to have a few breakdowns.
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Reminds me of the old ARDU (Aircraft Research Development Unit) who were still running C-47's in the late 90's commonly known as Dakota Airlines, We Get There.... Eventually. 50 plus year old aircraft (at the time) tended to have a few breakdowns.
Yeah , and I'm way past 50 :laugh:
Dusty
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My 2012 Tenni showed similar wear at 10K. Other folks have had similar photo's at around 5K if memory serves.
If you get the bike (global use of the word "you" there) the first thing to do is get her rollerized.
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the numbers were:
Stelvio from AC 12596 12-03-2012
Griso from A8 13524 12-04-2012
Norge from AA 12214 18-04-2012
And if numer is near, check it
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Thanks Paul.
Pete
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Dusty,
We need some way of determining the engine is rollerized, genuine fix. Then...you might be surprised.
I think the Tenni Griso is perhaps the most beautiful modern Guzzi ever made...
Agreed. Nothing beats that green with the tan seat. Classy as hell.
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just got a NASTY text from the seller because i asked him for pics of the valve train...
he sent me a pic with the number on the engine block:
13370
so according to the previous posts, this bike was made with FLAT tappets....
correct?
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just got a NASTY text from the seller because i asked him for pics of the valve train...
he sent me a pic with the number on the engine block:
13370
so according to the previous posts, this bike was made with FLAT tappets....
correct?
Yeah, got same response - this seller is a DB.
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Correct.
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What a shame. Scratch.
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Why not just offer him a price that would allow room for the tappet repair. Obviously his reaction reveals that he was hoping people didn't get wind of the issue, but now that it's known, unless a sucker buys it, his only recourse is to sell it with a discount for the repair or keep it. Either way...you still have a chance to score a very nice bike...if you want a Griso...
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......I think the Tenni Griso is perhaps the most beautiful modern Guzzi ever made...
Me too. But if it was closer it would be in my garage by now.
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Based on the rude, almost maniacal, replies to my emails to his CL post this is not an individual with whom I'd want to have much interaction - nice bike or not.
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Based on the rude, almost maniacal, replies to my emails to his CL post this is not an individual with whom I'd want to have much interaction - nice bike or not.
If he's being a douche, we should ALL email him and ask if it's been rollerized.
Yea, I'm easily amused.
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If he's being a douche, we should ALL email him and ask if it's been rollerized.
Yea, I'm easily amused.
If you do, expect to have your intentions, your honor, and even your sexual preferences insulted.
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If he's being a douche, we should ALL email him and ask if it's been rollerized.
Yea, I'm easily amused.
You go first Cam
If you do, expect to have your intentions, your honor, and even your sexual preferences insulted.
Bill , what did you ask to get the guy so upset . Tell us so will know where to start :evil:
Dusty
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Simply told him his listing was being discussed here and asked if he could clarify what status of valve train was with the service report from Orlando or a pic of the rockers......went quickly downhill from there. :boxing:
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Run Forest, run!
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Apparently he went off on Oranges3 as well.
I'm keeping my distance. His last email to me from about an hour ago was BLANK - ???
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Look, nobody likes to think that they've bough anything with a problem, especially one that can have such catastrophic consequences as tappet failure on an 8V but unfortunately for those of us affected, (Remember, it cost me an entire engine!) you have two choices if you want to sell the bike.
1.) Accept that because your machine is a pre roller model, no matter how pretty it is, it is handicapped. Be honest with potential purchasers and be prepared to take it in the shorts because I'm afraid that is what is going to happen.
2.) Pretend the problem doesn't exist and carry on like a pork chop insulting all who might ask any questions regarding the status of the machine WRT the flat tappet problem.
#1 Makes you a reasonable human being and pragmatic realist. #2 Makes you a 24 carat phesterhead. The choice is yours.
If You want more money from the sale? Get it rollerised! it still won't command the money a bike with a roller motor from new will but it will add substantially to its resale worth. The other alternative is to rollerise it and keep it.
Pete
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after alot of back and forth insults...
the owner sent me some pics of the valve train...
definitley fla tappets!
i informed him thanx but no thanks, his reply:
he dropped his price to 7500, then again asked what i would pay.
funny how when people are presented facts, all they can do is insult you.
thank you all for the help i clarifying the valve train issues on the griso.
i huess i will just stick to my v11 cafe sport and hydro cali...
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As long as its mileage is genuine then there is probably no reason to avoid it all together BUT....
The owner has shown himself to be less than pleasant so there is always the risk that he'd sell it and do something vindictive like put carborundum paste in the oil just to 'Show You'. Also you have to accept that it will need rollerising, the sooner the better. Budget $2K for that if its being done on your own dime.
Pete
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after alot of back and forth insults...
the owner sent me some pics of the valve train...
definitley fla tappets!
i informed him thanx but no thanks, his reply:
he dropped his price to 7500, then again asked what i would pay.
funny how when people are presented facts, all they can do is insult you.
thank you all for the help i clarifying the valve train issues on the griso.
i huess i will just stick to my v11 cafe sport and hydro cali...
As a data point I paid $7k for my 2011 Tenni with 8k on it this past Feb. I was able to get a dealer to support the claim so the cam update was around $450. The problem with this bike is, with that few miles, it might now have enough wear to gamble on the dealer route so you would just figure on buying the $1k kit yourself. Or, if it has a good service history, you could ride it a season and take a chance on an official campaign or something.
Either way $7500 plus do the work yourself is the top end that I would consider just to get the Tenni paint scheme. There are holdover '15s out there for $11k out the door and used Black Devils in the 8k range.
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For a really good wrench, the seller might not matter. I've had to rely on the trustworthiness of the seller and haven't gone wrong in my bike purchases. I would run for the hills but I'm not you. If you're confident you can fix whatever else is not as described and can get it for a song then maybe go for it. I wouldn't want to spend my short time on this earth dealing with people like that seller unless I couldn't avoid it.
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Look, nobody likes to think that they've bough anything with a problem, especially one that can have such catastrophic consequences as tappet failure on an 8V but unfortunately for those of us affected, (Remember, it cost me an entire engine!) you have two choices if you want to sell the bike.
1.) Accept that because your machine is a pre roller model, no matter how pretty it is, it is handicapped. Be honest with potential purchasers and be prepared to take it in the shorts because I'm afraid that is what is going to happen.
2.) Pretend the problem doesn't exist and carry on like a pork chop insulting all who might ask any questions regarding the status of the machine WRT the flat tappet problem.
#1 Makes you a reasonable human being and pragmatic realist. #2 Makes you a 24 carat phesterhead. The choice is yours.
If You want more money from the sale? Get it rollerised! it still won't command the money a bike with a roller motor from new will but it will add substantially to its resale worth. The other alternative is to rollerise it and keep it.
Pete
Very well put Pete. As the owner of a rollerised 12' NTX this is just the way it is. Got over that a long time ago. Fortunately I love the bike and will be happy to keep it until I am no longer able to ride it (I am 66 and each year a lighter bike becomes more appealing.) or the engine fails. It was properly done but as Pete points out there is no guarantee that it will not still go south before its time. Either way I will cross that bridge when the time comes. In the mean time I will ride it as much as I can. One thing that is a bit of a silver lining, I can thrash the crap out of it with out any worry as the old girl is already tainted with a bad reputation! :evil: