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Title: Another competitor (Yamaha) for Retro bikes comes to play
Post by: PJPR01 on June 10, 2016, 09:26:02 AM
http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-hy-yamaha-scrambler-20160606-snap-story.html?yptr=yahoo



Title: Re: Another competitor (Yamaha) for Retro bikes comes to play
Post by: Spuddy on June 10, 2016, 10:09:07 AM
Not impressed...

Spud
Title: Re: Another competitor (Yamaha) for Retro bikes comes to play
Post by: rboe on June 10, 2016, 10:34:43 AM
Like slapping boots on a kid and calling him a hiker.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Another competitor (Yamaha) for Retro bikes comes to play
Post by: rocker59 on June 10, 2016, 10:43:05 AM
Nicely restyled Bolt.

It'll be a good seller for them.

Title: Re: Another competitor (Yamaha) for Retro bikes comes to play
Post by: Travman on June 10, 2016, 11:04:03 AM
Looks terrible. The bent front down tubes of the frame look broken.
Title: Re: Another competitor (Yamaha) for Retro bikes comes to play
Post by: bad Chad on June 10, 2016, 11:30:53 AM
It may sell well, but it could have been done better, though it would cost Yamaha a few more shekels I guess.

The only obvious flaws I see are, the rake of the forks is too much, and 2.8" of rear travel claimed!
Title: Re: Another competitor (Yamaha) for Retro bikes comes to play
Post by: rocker59 on June 10, 2016, 11:36:49 AM
It may sell well, but it could have been done better, though it would cost Yamaha a few more shekels I guess.

The only obvious flaws I see are, the rake of the forks is too much, and 2.8" of rear travel claimed!

Yeah.  The scrambler version has a new (higher) seat subframe.  Too bad they didn't relocate the upper shock mounts and put longer travel shocks on the scrambler.  Strange.  2.8" of travel sucks, no matter how nice the shocks are.
Title: Re: Another competitor (Yamaha) for Retro bikes comes to play
Post by: JProdun on June 10, 2016, 12:19:12 PM
https://www.yamahamotorsports.com/sport-heritage/models/scr950

To me, looks like an answer to the new Sportster Roadster... Or the V9... Smaller displacement and cheaper price though...
Title: Re: Another competitor (Yamaha) for Retro bikes comes to play
Post by: Guzzistajohn on June 10, 2016, 12:41:30 PM
Looks ok, rather have a triumph scrambler
Title: Re: Another competitor (Yamaha) for Retro bikes comes to play
Post by: Triple Jim on June 10, 2016, 01:08:48 PM
My newfound fondness for small, light motorcycles keeps me from being interested in this 546 lb model.  One of the new Yamaha FJs or FZs is way closer to something I'd enjoy riding.  The FZ-07 is just under 400 lbs. wet with 20+ hp more.
Title: Re: Another competitor (Yamaha) for Retro bikes comes to play
Post by: Dave Swanson on June 10, 2016, 01:32:23 PM
This is more to my liking,  the Yami XSR900

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee165/dswansbiker/xsr900_zpsb6njeelm.jpg) (http://s233.photobucket.com/user/dswansbiker/media/xsr900_zpsb6njeelm.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Another competitor (Yamaha) for Retro bikes comes to play
Post by: Triple Jim on June 10, 2016, 01:35:13 PM
This is more to my liking,  the Yami XSR900

Agreed!
Title: Re: Another competitor (Yamaha) for Retro bikes comes to play
Post by: pikipiki on June 10, 2016, 02:04:35 PM
Agreed!

 :1:
Title: Re: Another competitor (Yamaha) for Retro bikes comes to play
Post by: JJ on June 10, 2016, 02:35:39 PM
Even though its just a "tarted-up Bolt", I kinda like it.  However, for the same money, (about $8700+) you could have this:

2016 Triumph Street Twin! :cool: :thumb:


(http://thumb.ibb.co/ngr7MF/IMG_5809.jpg) (http://ibb.co/ngr7MF)
Title: Re: Another competitor (Yamaha) for Retro bikes comes to play
Post by: rboe on June 10, 2016, 05:30:01 PM
The XSR900 just looks odd to me, but sat on one after a fellow CB1100 bought one (he loves it!) and ergo's seemed good. Once in the cockpit the bike was attractive so I dared not ride it.  :grin:
Title: Re: Another competitor (Yamaha) for Retro bikes comes to play
Post by: Sasquatch Jim on June 10, 2016, 05:38:59 PM
  That double cradle frame looks like it might make a good sidecar tug.
Title: Re: Another competitor (Yamaha) for Retro bikes comes to play
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on June 10, 2016, 05:51:18 PM
This is more to my liking,  the Yami XSR900

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee165/dswansbiker/xsr900_zpsb6njeelm.jpg) (http://s233.photobucket.com/user/dswansbiker/media/xsr900_zpsb6njeelm.jpg.html)

That's just way too busy looking to my eye. That's why they make all kinds, I guess.. <shrug>
Title: Re: Another competitor (Yamaha) for Retro bikes comes to play
Post by: Triple Jim on June 10, 2016, 05:54:17 PM
That's just way too busy looking to my eye. That's why they make all kinds, I guess.. <shrug>

I agree about the looks being horrible.  It's the light weight and power that is reasonable.
Title: Re: Another competitor (Yamaha) for Retro bikes comes to play
Post by: beetle on June 10, 2016, 06:06:13 PM
That's just way too busy looking to my eye. That's why they make all kinds, I guess.. <shrug>


 :1:

When looking at it, the eye doesn't know where to stop. Gives you eyeball ache.
Title: Re: Another competitor (Yamaha) for Retro bikes comes to play
Post by: beetle on June 10, 2016, 06:09:57 PM
...and the opposite end of the retro spectrum, this horror looks like a transformer. Egads!

(http://i35.servimg.com/u/f35/18/91/78/64/image12.jpg)
Title: Re: Another competitor (Yamaha) for Retro bikes comes to play
Post by: Triple Jim on June 10, 2016, 06:22:09 PM
I get a kick out of the tag/turn signal mounts that the manufacturers make so they're just enough to pass government requirements, but very easy to remove once the bike is sold.
Title: Re: Another competitor (Yamaha) for Retro bikes comes to play
Post by: swordds on June 10, 2016, 06:41:29 PM
I'm sticking with my V7II, none of the bikes pictured or mentioned impress me as much as the one I already own.
Title: Re: Another competitor (Yamaha) for Retro bikes comes to play
Post by: johnr on June 10, 2016, 06:53:23 PM
I think the bike looks a lot better than some of the creations featured in this post, which almost seem an exercise in ugly.

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb116/johnr39/Yamaha%20Scrambler%202.jpg) (http://s210.photobucket.com/user/johnr39/media/Yamaha%20Scrambler%202.jpg.html)

However several things that I don't like immediately caught my eye.
Bent down tubes (frame) These may be OK but to my eye they don't look as though they should be.
The 'racing' number place on the side panels. An affectation I find distasteful. Don't like it on the V7 racer either.
Petrol tank looks too small, both from an aesthetic and range point of view.
'Kicked up' rear sub-frame. Not pleasing aesthetically and needlessly restricts passenger comfort and luggage attachment.
Too heavy.
Seat height is too high.

No, if I was in the market I wouldn't be going for that one.

The following pic is a Yamaha which may not even exist at this point. I think it is only a concept. In many ways I think it is a more pleasing machine.

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb116/johnr39/yamaha-tokyo-2015-concept-9.jpg) (http://s210.photobucket.com/user/johnr39/media/yamaha-tokyo-2015-concept-9.jpg.html)

With a bigger (and lower slung) engine, a rear guard... in fact turning it into a 'universal road motorcycle' they may have something here.

Title: Re: Another competitor (Yamaha) for Retro bikes comes to play
Post by: wymple on June 10, 2016, 11:49:21 PM
Roamer looks far better, no contest.
Title: Re: Another competitor (Yamaha) for Retro bikes comes to play
Post by: yogidozer on June 11, 2016, 05:30:44 AM
Rather see them bring back the 650 twin
Title: Re: Another competitor (Yamaha) for Retro bikes comes to play
Post by: Cool Runnings on June 11, 2016, 07:49:58 AM
(http://motorcycle.com.vsassets.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/020415-2015-star-bolt-c-spec-40941.jpg)
Title: Re: Another competitor (Yamaha) for Retro bikes comes to play
Post by: oldbike54 on June 11, 2016, 08:03:35 AM
 My understanding is the Bolt series has been a success for Yamaha nee Star MC's . The scrambler will probably sell , we aren't the target audience .

 Dusty
Title: Re: Another competitor (Yamaha) for Retro bikes comes to play
Post by: mentalfloss on June 11, 2016, 08:14:16 AM
Beauty in the eye of the beholder.... as they say...
The scram-bolt-er has potential but seems like a poser in its stock form. The triple , on the other hand is pretty exciting looking.
 The scram-bolt-er will not sell well is my guess....I would still like to have some time in the saddle and get a real test.
 Just looking at the scrambler market I would want the stornello and spend money on it to get it sorted out or the BMW 9-T scram...both because of the lump powering them seems to fit my style.
Title: Re: Another competitor (Yamaha) for Retro bikes comes to play
Post by: Seamaster on June 11, 2016, 09:00:31 PM

(http://thumb.ibb.co/k9K2MF/IMG_8587.jpg) (http://ibb.co/k9K2MF)
I think the bike looks a lot better than some of the creations featured in this post, which almost seem an exercise in ugly.


However several things that I don't like immediately caught my eye.
Bent down tubes (frame) These may be OK but to my eye they don't look as though they should be.
The 'racing' number place on the side panels. An affectation I find distasteful. Don't like it on the V7 racer either.
Petrol tank looks too small, both from an aesthetic and range point of view.
'Kicked up' rear sub-frame. Not pleasing aesthetically and needlessly restricts passenger comfort and luggage attachment.
Too heavy.
Seat height is too high.

No, if I was in the market I wouldn't be going for that one.

The following pic is a Yamaha which may not even exist at this point. I think it is only a concept. In many ways I think it is a more pleasing machine.


With a bigger (and lower slung) engine, a rear guard... in fact turning it into a 'universal road motorcycle' they may have something here.

I like the color combination.
Title: Re: Another competitor (Yamaha) for Retro bikes comes to play
Post by: cruzziguzzi on June 11, 2016, 10:57:45 PM
I think it's a cute enough little scooter and I'm really quite past worrying over the "Scrambler" moniker following scrambler function. just like I no longer chafe at the mis-used "muscle car" term.

On this one, while I like so much of it, I don't think I could ever get used to the, 70's chopper, cobbed-up-compromise of that ridiculous bend in the frame members.

Then too, looking at it, if they wanted to tap into Yama-retro - they should have gone even more TT/SR/XT and used one of the designators as well.




Todd.
Title: Re: Another competitor (Yamaha) for Retro bikes comes to play
Post by: leafman60 on June 12, 2016, 12:02:42 AM
This is more to my liking,  the Yami XSR900

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee165/dswansbiker/xsr900_zpsb6njeelm.jpg) (http://s233.photobucket.com/user/dswansbiker/media/xsr900_zpsb6njeelm.jpg.html)

Uuuuugly

Just look at the conglomeration of non-discernible black casings and plumbings. Big old boxy radiator hanging out there too.

Title: Re: Another competitor (Yamaha) for Retro bikes comes to play
Post by: leafman60 on June 12, 2016, 12:04:50 AM


(http://i35.servimg.com/u/f35/18/91/78/64/image12.jpg)

Even worse