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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: kenvil1 on November 07, 2017, 11:28:42 AM
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With a chrome exhaust system, cast wheels, aluminum fenders (?), and familiar side covers, the Milano is looking pretty good, I find.
(http://thumb.ibb.co/n9xf0w/Milano.png) (http://ibb.co/n9xf0w)
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Looks like my v7 III Special, with alloy wheels, and different side panels. Not much else different. Nice name tho.
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Milano? Another one? I guess Morini and Guzzi will have to fight over who gets to use it.
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Looks like I found my next motorcycle purchase, thanks for sharing!!
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The "Rough" and "Carbon" versions are pretty awesome too.....gotta give MG credit for keeping things fresh!!
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The "Rough" and "Carbon" versions are pretty awesome too.....gotta give MG credit for keeping things fresh!!
Doing the tank and fender shuffle on a bike with 1960's suspension and a motor is keeping things "fresh" , do you happen to work in marketing?
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Doing the tank and fender shuffle on a bike with 1960's suspension and a motor is keeping things "fresh" , do you happen to work in marketing?
Hey Debby Downer, I happen to love the brand, the motor has a lot of new design elements, no more heron head, the bike has everything I could want in a street bike. And yes, giving us more flavors of ice cream is always good, and how long has ice cream been around?
I was going to get a V7III Special but wanted the cast rims, the Stone fits the bill but I hate the "all black treatment", the Milano has the Stone wheels and the Special classsy look, and a tach too....I'm in!! :drool:
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the Stone fits the bill but I hate the "all black treatment"
I too was leaning towards the Stone for the cast wheels, but I didn't like the black exhaust either, or the new side covers. The Milano nicely resolves these two gripes AND replaces the plastic body parts with aluminum ones. Nicely done!
Nice name tho.
Yes, it does have a nice name.
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Hey Debby Downer, I happen to love the brand, the motor has a lot of new design elements, no more heron head, the bike has everything I could want in a street bike.
+1 Brazilian! [emoji56]
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...to many motorcycles, not enough money to buy them all!
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Milano? Another one? I guess Morini and Guzzi will have to fight over who gets to use it.
And Pepperidge Farms, my favorite cookie.
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Hey Debby Downer, I happen to love the brand, the motor has a lot of new design elements, no more heron head, the bike has everything I could want in a street bike. And yes, giving us more flavors of ice cream is always good, and how long has ice cream been around?
I was going to get a V7III Special but wanted the cast rims, the Stone fits the bill but I hate the "all black treatment", the Milano has the Stone wheels and the Special classsy look, and a tach too....I'm in!! :drool:
I'd like to buy a new bike off them but currently they are putting out underwhelming underperforming poorly braked and suspended fashion statements, if I buy a new bike I expect it to be actually better than the one I already own and my current road bike is now 23 years old, the Griso was the only thing that came vaguely close since.
Guzzi can make a fantastically balanced bike thats brilliant to ride fast they did it a little while ago. With a new power plant they could possibly bring that experience to the road, currently we have a company thats doing the very minimum at the last possible moment, it rarely ends well you don't even have to go far back through Guzzi's history to see examples of this. This been touted as a new model is just a bunch of accountants running a company into the ground and its crap to watch.
More flavours of ice cream is bad from a marketing point of view, if you give people more choice they are less likely the buy. http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/neuroeconomics-the-science-of-irrational-choice/5520958
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That Milano really does look nice. Had it been available in September it's likely I'd own one now rather then a V7 III Special.
Paul
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As a serious question-bikes 20 some years ago were fast-are the new bikes supposed to be so much faster?
Poor brakes? My 15 V7 stone has the best non ABS brakes I've ever used. Ever. The bike stops RIGHT NOW.
The suspension on my old Bonnies was at least as bad as the OEM on my 2015 but I have not experienced anything close to what I'd call good suspension on any retro entry offering from any OEM.
Heron head to new style? Seems like "progress" to me.
The accountant point seems correct and what I expect going in with Guzzi.
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As a serious question-bikes 20 some years ago were fast-are the new bikes supposed to be so much faster?
Poor brakes? My 15 V7 stone has the best non ABS brakes I've ever used. Ever. The bike stops RIGHT NOW.
The suspension on my old Bonnies was at least as bad as the OEM on my 2015 but I have not experienced anything close to what I'd call good suspension on any retro entry offering from any OEM.
Heron head to new style? Seems like "progress" to me.
The accountant point seems correct and what I expect going in with Guzzi.
As much as I'm annoyed by Murray's whining (and it's significant), I also understand what he is saying.
The brakes on my V7 are perfectly fine, no actually they're downright strong.
BUT if I'm being honest they're not as STOP RIGHT NOW as the dual Brembos on Jenn's 696, or the linked 1-finger stop Brembos on my RK.
The suspension is fine on my V7 and does the job.
BUT it's not even as good as my Harley Sportster, never mind my old B11, or Oilhead, or hell even my old Buell.
So I understand what he's saying, but I don't care. There's a reason there's a huge price difference between say the Triumph Street Twin and the Thruxton R. Similarly there's a pretty big price difference between a V7 and a Griso or Cali.
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I'd like to buy a new bike off them but currently they are putting out underwhelming underperforming poorly braked and suspended fashion statements, if I buy a new bike I expect it to be actually better than the one I already own and my current road bike is now 23 years old, the Griso was the only thing that came vaguely close since.
Guzzi can make a fantastically balanced bike thats brilliant to ride fast they did it a little while ago. With a new power plant they could possibly bring that experience to the road, currently we have a company thats doing the very minimum at the last possible moment, it rarely ends well you don't even have to go far back through Guzzi's history to see examples of this. This been touted as a new model is just a bunch of accountants running a company into the ground and its crap to watch.
More flavours of ice cream is bad from a marketing point of view, if you give people more choice they are less likely the buy. http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/neuroeconomics-the-science-of-irrational-choice/5520958
Sounds like you just need to keep your bike two more years and put a vintage plate on it and save all those registration fees every year. For me personally, the V7 has enough power. It is balanced with the suspension, brakes, and handling. Some of us don't need to ride at illegal speeds every time we ride. I've had performance bikes and got that out of my system. I'm about just enjoying the ride now.
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Boring paint to me. I like the blue one.
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With a chrome exhaust system, cast wheels, aluminum fenders (?), and familiar side covers, the Milano is looking pretty good, I find.
(http://thumb.ibb.co/n9xf0w/Milano.png) (http://ibb.co/n9xf0w)
(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/77/b4/cc/77b4ccc7de0167305024e59d82f4b97f--garfield-cartoons.jpg)
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With a chrome exhaust system, cast wheels, aluminum fenders (?), and familiar side covers, the Milano is looking pretty good, I find.
(http://thumb.ibb.co/n9xf0w/Milano.png) (http://ibb.co/n9xf0w)
(http://thumb.ibb.co/gckUdG/odie.jpg) (http://ibb.co/gckUdG)
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(http://thumb.ibb.co/gckUdG/odie.jpg) (http://ibb.co/gckUdG)
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Like the Milano a lot. I bought 2 Months ago the stone in Black. If I would buy now a bike, I thik I would order this one.
But still like my black stone enough to smile when I see her :)
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I'm more partial to the Carbon, but bottom line am happy to see more variants that don't scream "tail tidy!" Shame it took them so long.
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I had an Alfa Romeo Milano, I guess coming out with a V7 Milano is payback for the Alfa Stelvio.
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happy to see more variants
Variants are a good thing indeed. The V7 is an ideal platform for creative expression; the more flavours (unquote), the better.
(http://thumb.ibb.co/i1cUTG/V7xx.jpg) (http://ibb.co/i1cUTG)
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Italian EICMA video of the new V7III and a peek at the new V9...
The Milano tank looks almost like an ivory or off white?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwyyuRsHPc0
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As a serious question-bikes 20 some years ago were fast-are the new bikes supposed to be so much faster?
Poor brakes? My 15 V7 stone has the best non ABS brakes I've ever used. Ever. The bike stops RIGHT NOW.
The suspension on my old Bonnies was at least as bad as the OEM on my 2015 but I have not experienced anything close to what I'd call good suspension on any retro entry offering from any OEM.
The accountant point seems correct and what I expect going in with Guzzi.
The bike from 20years ago is pedestrianly slow compared to bikes of today (94 1100 sport) however Guzzi currently offer nothing better, its steering geometry is a bit outdated as well, I've already upgraded things like brakes carbs exhaust etc but simply its an old bike the engineering will only ever do so much. As for the extra cost associated with suspension brakes etc I'll pay its always worth it IMO.
I'll happily skip the retro styling its not that important to me, If I go to the time and expense of buying a new bike it should be better than the current old dinosaur I own otherwise what's the point, I enjoy it but its a steam train in the microchip world.
The v7 brakes are doughy and lack any real bite the throttle is doughy and lacks any bite sure fine for new riders I'm not a new rider anymore, even the 1400 cali on Veloce is pretty tame and I didn't really understand why it has other riding modes the most aggressive is perfectly manageable in all situations. It still turns like a boat and stops like a train its better than most cruisers but it is still a cruiser. Actually why bikes have multiple riding modes is a bit of a mystery the other ones with switchable modes I've found to be more than manageable on their most aggressive in traffic.
The last bike I brought from Guzzi wasn't even road registrable its not perfect but its a brilliant step up on anything that Guzzi made before or since ands thats my issue 10 odd years after i brought that bike there is nothing available for the road with similar performance even when it wasn't even cutting edge at the time? Guzzi have disappearing into their own little world only ever competing with itself which is fine if your customer base only ever exclusively rides their bikes which is a very small customer base when we talk about guzzi.
I'd like the marketing department to pick up a new marketing line, Higher Better Faster Stronger, hopefully it will be reflected in the engineering.
BTW If anyone has exclusive rights to the Names of Milano and Stelvio it is the city and the mountain pass.
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I understand what you mean, but why do you repeat every fart what you don't like on a Guzzi? I think everybody here knows the disadvantages of a Guzzi, I like it because it is new but beside Harley very close to their roots from technical point of view but with ABS TC... and when retro styling is not for you, there are better bikes out there, you are right. But I don't like sport bikes an have no need to tell people in a Sport bike Forum why I don't like these bikes.
So what is your reason to tell people endless that Guzzi build bad bikes?
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Well, Murray,
if you don�t like bikes in a classical design ( V7, Bonnevilles, Sportsters, Interceptors and the like), then don�t buy them. I am happy about each bike that has the flair of a nice 60�s or early 70�s product but sports good brakes (and the brakes of my V7 Stone are adequate), catalytic converters, a modern fuel injection, and so on. Of course for the price of my Guzzi I would have been able to buy an Aprilia Shiver, a small Monster, a Street Triple or a Yamaha MT-09. But only looking at bikes like these gives me no joy. And as good and strong as these engines are - where is the feeling of a real combustion engine?
Don�t bad-mouth them, ignore them and get a Honda. But please do not try to convince us we have bought the wrong bike.
I like the Milano very much.
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Well, Murray,
if you don�t like bikes in a classical design ( V7, Bonnevilles, Sportsters, Interceptors and the like), then don�t buy them. I am happy about each bike that has the flair of a nice 60�s or early 70�s product but sports good brakes (and the brakes of my V7 Stone are adequate), catalytic converters, a modern fuel injection, and so on. Of course for the price of my Guzzi I would have been able to buy an Aprilia Shiver, a small Monster, a Street Triple or a Yamaha MT-09. But only looking at bikes like these gives me no joy. And as good and strong as these engines are - where is the feeling of a real combustion engine?
Don�t bad-mouth them, ignore them and get a Honda. But please do not try to convince us we have bought the wrong bike.
I like the Milano very much.
Gut gesagt! [emoji16]
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Good grief, Murray, they're flipping motorcycles. It's not brain surgery.
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The bike from 20years ago is pedestrianly slow compared to bikes of today (94 1100 sport) however Guzzi currently offer nothing better, its steering geometry is a bit outdated as well, I've already upgraded things like brakes carbs exhaust etc but simply its an old bike the engineering will only ever do so much. As for the extra cost associated with suspension brakes etc I'll pay its always worth it IMO.
I'll happily skip the retro styling its not that important to me, If I go to the time and expense of buying a new bike it should be better than the current old dinosaur I own otherwise what's the point, I enjoy it but its a steam train in the microchip world.
The v7 brakes are doughy and lack any real bite the throttle is doughy and lacks any bite sure fine for new riders I'm not a new rider anymore, even the 1400 cali on Veloce is pretty tame and I didn't really understand why it has other riding modes the most aggressive is perfectly manageable in all situations. It still turns like a boat and stops like a train its better than most cruisers but it is still a cruiser. Actually why bikes have multiple riding modes is a bit of a mystery the other ones with switchable modes I've found to be more than manageable on their most aggressive in traffic.
The last bike I brought from Guzzi wasn't even road registrable its not perfect but its a brilliant step up on anything that Guzzi made before or since ands thats my issue 10 odd years after i brought that bike there is nothing available for the road with similar performance even when it wasn't even cutting edge at the time? Guzzi have disappearing into their own little world only ever competing with itself which is fine if your customer base only ever exclusively rides their bikes which is a very small customer base when we talk about guzzi.
I'd like the marketing department to pick up a new marketing line, Higher Better Faster Stronger, hopefully it will be reflected in the engineering.
BTW If anyone has exclusive rights to the Names of Milano and Stelvio it is the city and the mountain pass.
Go buy an H2 GTX and stop your whining. LOL!
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Just a subjective opinion, but I think older 'primitive' bikes are lots of fun to ride, that is their appeal despite the maintenance, when new bikes can feel like a 'means of transportation'.
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Go buy an H2 GTX and stop your whining. LOL!
The thought has crossed my mind although I've got to find a shop locally that has a couple of brain cells in the parts and servicing department, not as easy as it should be.
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If the V7 were to become highly refined and powerful, I think several people on this forum would feel compelled to jump ship and to start shopping around for a Royal Enfield or perhaps a Ural. You know, to get their fix.
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No need to. They can stay with the same brand and pick up a Loop.
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The thought has crossed my mind although I've got to find a shop locally that has a couple of brain cells in the parts and servicing department, not as easy as it should be.
Now that I can definitely agree with. Most I have met I wouldn't call motorcycle enthusiasts.
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Now that I can definitely agree with. Most I have met I wouldn't call motorcycle enthusiasts.
The local Guzzi shop is very good so it would be nice if Guzzi spat out something I dunno I might actually want to buy, from the line of Lemans Daytona 1100sport V11 MGS-01 Griso 1200 sport there is probably a few around.
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I was going to get a V7III Special but wanted the cast rims, the Stone fits the bill but I hate the "all black treatment", the Milano has the Stone wheels and the Special classsy look, and a tach too....I'm in!! :drool:
I agree. And that glossy off gray color is sooo cool. Just wish I could fit a dustbin fairing!
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A dustbin fairing would look cool around town but west of the Mississippi, the crosswinds in the open West would drive you nuts.
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The V7 is an entertaining and distinctive platform, I hope they bring out as many variations as the market will allow. The world is full of functional, efficient, soul-less machines. The V7 is not one of them. It's not the best at anything, but it's pretty damn good at the stuff that matters, and in the end, that's what matters the most.
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Guzzi ain't got the cash, the management, nor the incentive to build a bike that would please Murray. Maybe if they rebadged an Aprilia? I'm tickled to death and also mystified Guzzi remains in business. The old engineers, and apparently the passion to perform/innovate seem to have passed away. Budget constraints, environmental rules, a soft market, seemingly unbeatable
Nipponese competition? Lucky indeed a Mandello built Guzzi is still available, no matter how milquetoast you may find them. Think about it. What truly competitive bikes have Guzzi built since the 1970s? And, what does it matter to the average Guzzi customer?
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I'm always amused at the "better" discussion. Endlessly circular.
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Yesterday I took the morning to escape the daily grind and attend a MGNOC of NJ Guzzi breakfast. The location was a good 100 miles or so away which meant an early (6:45) departure in cool weather.
I briefly entertained the thought of taking the RK (or the Sportster) due to the large windshield and better seat which would make the chilly (58F) morning ride more pleasant.
But I hadn't been on the V7 in a week or so, and really couldn't resist riding a Guzzi to the Guzzi breakfast.
So it was off on the least powerful bike in the garage.
It was glorious.
I remembered instantly why I love this bike so much.
I won't lie, but the end of the day I remembered why I prefer the seats on some of my other bikes, but I didn't care as I was completely happy with my choice of mount for the day thanks to other qualities.
Life is good, don't stress about the little things so much.
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Guzzi ain't got the cash, the management, nor the incentive to build a bike that would please Murray. Maybe if they rebadged an Aprilia? I'm tickled to death and also mystified Guzzi remains in business. The old engineers, and apparently the passion to perform/innovate seem to have passed away. Budget constraints, environmental rules, a soft market, seemingly unbeatable
Nipponese competition? Lucky indeed a Mandello built Guzzi is still available, no matter how milquetoast you may find them. Think about it. What truly competitive bikes have Guzzi built since the 1970s? And, what does it matter to the average Guzzi customer?
I found no competition for my V7 III Carbon. No one else builds a mid size standard with drive shaft and good looks.
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Was out at the weekend with my friend on his new just run in v7 which performed as well as my ev despite it's capacity deficit except on fuel consumption where it thrashed the older bike, where i got my normal 10 miles to the litre after 90 miles he put in just 5 1/4 litres , wow, amazing, impressed, might have to buy a newer bike.
John
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That little fairing looks pretty balanced on V7 that with the bags. I'm impressed. Does what you need it to, I take it?
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That little fairing looks pretty balanced on V7 with the bags. I'm impressed. Does what you need it to, I take it?
So I've been back and forth with the V7 and some form of shield since I bought it.
Because I generally prefer an open face helmet I have struggled to find the right solution.
Used a Dart flyscreen at first.
Moved to the pinelands and realized I was riding everywhere at highway speeds and tried a Dart Marlin.
Both were good, but not really ideal for constant highway speeds and an open face helmet.
Tried this fairing (inexpensive take-off from a board member here, used to be a on Jackal I believe), and it was more of the same.
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THAT IS, until yesterday, when I broke down and wore my Nolan N44 with the large (removable) face shield. And BAMN.
It was damn near perfect.
Like the Dart and Marlin before it the fairing keeps most of the air off my chest, but leaves my face largely in clean air.
Add the Nolan face shield and I can ride at highway speeds with it positioned to allow some venting or basically blocking everything. PERFECT.
So yes, I'm happy with this (and I like the looks better than the Dart or Marlin), but I probably would have been happy with the Dart or Marlin too if I wore a FF or had tried this damn Nolan sooner.
That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.
I think it looks ok without bags too:
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The world is full of functional, efficient, soul-less machines. The V7 is not one of them. It's not the best at anything, but it's pretty damn good at the stuff that matters, and in the end, that's what matters the most.
Lucky indeed a Mandello built Guzzi is still available, no matter how milquetoast you may find them. Think about it. What truly competitive bikes have Guzzi built since the 1970s? And, what does it matter to the average Guzzi customer?
So true. If you were a fan of Guzzi (or BMW or Morini) in the 70's & 80's you can buy a brand new motorcycle right now that tickles the good memories without as many of the bad ones.
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There always has been & always will be a Murray. Allways with ideas & opinions to improve what engineers & R&D create. That's not neccessarily bad. I think it was Alan Girdler who wrote an editorial explaining the affect $ & R&D had on sales & summed it up by saying that all that $ & R&D merely increases the speed at which one day you will eventually crash.
There are simply to many people/riders to make'm all happy. Most bikes now days will never be used to their fullest capacity by most riders regardless of the exceleration, brakes, suspension, seat, hdlbar placement, mirror length/placemant, seat comfort, no ctr std, to loud, to quiet, to heavy style.
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So true. If you were a fan of Guzzi (or BMW or Morini) in the 70's & 80's you can buy a brand new motorcycle right now that tickles the good memories without as many of the bad ones.
And this is exactly why I bought my white V7 Stone in March 2013. Only I would add Norton to that list.
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Tried this fairing (inexpensive take-off from a board member here, used to be a on Jackal I believe), and it was more of the same.
THAT IS, until yesterday, when I broke down and wore my Nolan N44 with the large (removable) face shield. And BAMN.
It was damn near perfect.
Yup, it was off a Jackal. And coincidentally, that board member is also sportin' an N44. Glad it's working well.
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I find the Dart pushed just a touch of turbulence into my helmet so I may lower it just a bit. Otherwise the V7 it's pretty much a perfect ride for me.
Met Kev for Sunday breakfast and his set up looks good.
Here's my "Roughed up" Stone (tires, taller suspension, and cosmetics):
(https://thumb.ibb.co/fJE498/semi_rough_1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fJE498)
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I find the Dart pushed just a touch of turbulence into my helmet so I may lower it just a bit. Otherwise the V7 it's pretty much a perfect ride for me.
Met Kev for Sunday breakfast and his set up looks good.
Here's my "Roughed up" Stone (tires, taller suspension, and cosmetics):
(https://thumb.ibb.co/fJE498/semi_rough_1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fJE498)
Nice looking set-up! Whose bags are those?
As for Murray, no doubt one of these guys that if you said the sky was blue he would argue that it is not blue enough! :bow:
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As much as I'm annoyed by Murray's whining (and it's significant), I also understand what he is saying.
The brakes on my V7 are perfectly fine, no actually they're downright strong.
BUT if I'm being honest they're not as STOP RIGHT NOW as the dual Brembos on Jenn's 696, or the linked 1-finger stop Brembos on my RK.
Is the front brake on your V7 different from the gold Brembo on the Breva Kev? I can have the front wheel breaking away 2-up going down a hill, and that's not really hauling on it. I don't think I would want it any "stronger".
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Is the front brake on your V7 different from the gold Brembo on the Breva Kev? I can have the front wheel breaking away 2-up going down a hill, and that's not really hauling on it. I don't think I would want it any "stronger".
I dunno, but I doubt it.
Of course you're probably right from a practical usage point of view.
But then again there can be differences in weight bias, tire compounds, road surfaces etc that might alter performance.
So here's the thing, there's obviously a greater chance of fade on the single disc. Plus I like the look and feel of duals even if I don't "need" them.
I'm currently writing the repair manual for the Kymco XC400i Scooter with ABS. This is not a big or powerful machine and even it has dual fixed 4-pot calipers.
There's something about the low effort immediacy of high quality dual discs. I miss it on the V7, the ONLY BIKE we own with a single disc.
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I dunno, but I doubt it.
Of course you're probably right from a practical usage point of view.
But then again there can be differences in weight bias, tire compounds, road surfaces etc that might alter performance.
So here's the thing, there's obviously a greater chance of fade on the single disc. I like the look and feel of duals even if I don't "need" them.
Sport Demon on the front. 15kms downhill with lotsa tight turns :grin: :grin: :thumb:. Good surface (always checked it out going over before hoofing it on the way back). Never had brake fade; I guess it does have a fairly large disk on the front to help the cooling.
Never had a bike with duals, but there is the aspect of unsprung weight which is going to be higher with duals fitted. I must say I have never wished for more braking even with "spirited" riding.
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And I've never wished for less unsprung weight.
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Nice looking set-up! Whose bags are those?
They're Chase-Harper Stealth 3100 semi-rigid universal bags. Ran the straps under the seat. https://chaseharperusa.com/collections/saddle-bags-1/products/stealth (https://chaseharperusa.com/collections/saddle-bags-1/products/stealth)
Picked them up used on eBay - for $50 if I recall.
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I haven’t posted for awhile but on this thread I do. I agree the Milano wins the appearance award
For the V7 series. I’ve been wanting one for some time now. I’ve watched YouTube riding reviews
And viewed threads on Advrider com. The thing that’s been holding me up is , I hate blacked out
Motors and exhaust. Maybe I’m not the only one because there are 17s still on dealer floors. I think
A blend of finishes like on the Milano and maybe a couple colors along with it. I’ve been looking at the Ducati scrambler and the 797 monster too, but the V7lll is still a more realistic bike for me. I ride backroads in East Tn and small bikes fit that order much better. Another thing that hurts Guzzi sales
Is the knowledge that they will discount floor models a year later.
Cadre cycles in Cincinnati had a red 2106 Stone that was well equipped but it is gone.
Some good dealer support might go a long way along with some advertising also
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I haven�t posted for awhile but on this thread I do. I agree the Milano wins the appearance award
For the V7 series. I�ve been wanting one for some time now. I�ve watched YouTube riding reviews
And viewed threads on Advrider com. The thing that�s been holding me up is , I hate blacked out
Motors and exhaust. Maybe I�m not the only one because there are 17s still on dealer floors. I think
A blend of finishes like on the Milano and maybe a couple colors along with it. I�ve been looking at the Ducati scrambler and the 797 monster too, but the V7lll is still a more realistic bike for me. I ride backroads in East Tn and small bikes fit that order much better. Another thing that hurts Guzzi sales
Is the knowledge that they will discount floor models a year later.
Cadre cycles in Cincinnati had a red 2106 Stone that was well equipped but it is gone.
Some good dealer support might go a long way along with some advertising also
There are leftover '16 V7s out there. Just the nature of the beast I guess. I could have bought a '17 Stone or Special at a discount, but decided that I really wanted the Carbon and every time I have bought a bike at a discount I have spent thousands more trying to make it the way I really wanted it. I decided I didn't want any plastic bits on my V7 and would have eaten up any savings when changing out all the plastic parts for carbon or aluminum.
Of course I could have waited another year and bought a leftover Carbon, but I might not be alive tomorrow and I have the money so...
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There are leftover '16 V7s out there. Just the nature of the beast I guess. I could have bought a '17 Stone or Special at a discount, but decided that I really wanted the Carbon and every time I have bought a bike at a discount I have spent thousands more trying to make it the way I really wanted it. I decided I didn't want any plastic bits on my V7 and would have eaten up any savings when changing out all the plastic parts for carbon or aluminum.
Of course I could have waited another year and bought a leftover Carbon, but I might not be alive tomorrow and I have the money so...
Remember you could recoup some of you parts investment by selling the plastic bits...
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Looks like I found my next motorcycle purchase, thanks for sharing!!
It sure is sweet looking. Mags & a tach! That tank color is strange but it's sooo glossy it looks wet in person. I like it.
I think a tan leather tank bag and seat would be the icing on the cake.
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There is no perfect m/c. The '18 t120 & '18 Carbon Shine I have now are perfect. Through 53 yrs of riding many different bikes there were a few perfect for me @ different times. If I HAD to submit a consideration for a perfect m/c, all variables considered, it would be BMW's k75. Murray wouldn't have liked it either. The 2 main complaints were similar to Murray's here. Too slow & to small. Those complaints were almost always by riders that wanted to EXCESIVILY speed or were obese.
As Alan Girdler once opined, all the R&D by mfgrs increasing performance .2 or .3 over last years model merely increases the speed at which one day you will eventually crash.
In the meantime, Murry, please take it somehere else.
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I found that with K75 engines the higher the rev's maintained while riding the character of the bike changed.
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A well sorted Tiger 1050 was the same way. Completely different bike from 6K to 7.8K or so.
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It's also typical of the Moto Guzzi engines too. Crank t :thumb:hem up to within 1000K of max and the nature of the bike comes out with the torque.
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I found that with K75 engines the higher the rev's maintained while riding the character of the bike changed.
That could be said of every bike I have owned. Some become monsters at the higher RPMs, and some become vibrating slugs, but all have a change in character.
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In the case of a K75 or Moto Guzzi engine, the character change is a plus.
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There are leftover '16 V7s out there. Just the nature of the beast I guess. I could have bought a '17 Stone or Special at a discount, but decided that I really wanted the Carbon and every time I have bought a bike at a discount I have spent thousands more trying to make it the way I really wanted it. I decided I didn't want any plastic bits on my V7 and would have eaten up any savings when changing out all the plastic parts for carbon or aluminum.
Of course I could have waited another year and bought a leftover Carbon, but I might not be alive tomorrow and I have the money so...
Same thoughts I had when I bought a new Anniversario when they first came out. That bike caught my imagination and it’s what I wanted. I’m 60 now, so not so many riding years left.
Now I have been drooling over the V85TT. Maybe in two years either the KTM or BMW will need to go. That V85 looks like a great one up touring bike, mild dirt road and camping bike. We shall see.
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I like the tubeless wheels, speedo & tach, aluminum fenders, and all the V7 iii layout/characteristics.
But ... the color ... or lack of, not a fan. Every picture looks like a bike in black & white artsy photo attempt. I've also seen them in person, I just don't understand glossy gray. :huh:
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I like the tubeless wheels, speedo & tach, aluminum fenders, and all the V7 iii layout/characteristics.
But ... the color ... or lack of, not a fan. Every picture looks like a bike in black & white artsy photo attempt. I've also seen them in person, I just don't understand glossy gray. :huh:
Tanks are easy to paint or swap out. Or buy a special and change out the wheels for cast. Many possibilities.
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Or buy a special and change out the wheels for cast. Many possibilities.
This...AF1 has the cast wheels on short turnaround for $900
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I just really want the Milano....it's like the perfect bike for me. Guess I need to learn how to adjust the valves because no dealers within hours of me...
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I just really want the Milano....it's like the perfect bike for me. Guess I need to learn how to adjust the valves because no dealers within hours of me...
Did the dealer in Pensacola stop servicing them?
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Did the dealer in Pensacola stop servicing them?
No...and I would need them, but they have never worked on a V7III before. I like those guys but with my V7II it was a mixed bag. They were awesome to get the latest fuel map on PADS and make the bike run right, but when doing the first service they "double filled" the transmission and it puked everywhere on my commute, covered the exhaust, rear brake and tire. They cleaned the bike up and refilled the tranny but when the service manager handed me the half of bottle of tranny oil to take home it was the wrong spec, the wrong stuff. So I did it myself.
If I had the confidence to check and adjust valves on the V7III all I would need the dealership for is tire changes
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If I had the confidence to check and adjust valves on the V7III all I would need the dealership for is tire changes
Would it help if I did a photo Essay? I'm supposed to be getting my first 'Nuovo Hemi-head' small block in this week. I can document that bit if you want?
Pete
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Would it help if I did a photo Essay? I'm supposed to be getting my first 'Nuovo Hemi-head' small block in this week. I can document that bit if you want?
Pete
I, for one, would find that useful !
Glenn
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Would it help if I did a photo Essay? I'm supposed to be getting my first 'Nuovo Hemi-head' small block in this week. I can document that bit if you want?
Pete
Pete, you're a top bloke, mate. Of course that would help, I'm inexperienced wrenching on bikes, but I can follow instructions!!
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I just really want the Milano....it's like the perfect bike for me. Guess I need to learn how to adjust the valves because no dealers within hours of me...
I LOVE the Milano! Everything about it. The tank color, the mag wheels, the aluminum side covers and the steel fenders. I just need to buy it!
P.S. The valves are easier than an oil change.
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Would it help if I did a photo Essay? I'm supposed to be getting my first 'Nuovo Hemi-head' small block in this week. I can document that bit if you want?
Pete
Awesome! :thumb:
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Would it help if I did a photo Essay? I'm supposed to be getting my first 'Nuovo Hemi-head' small block in this week. I can document that bit if you want?
Pete
Would be much appreciated by me also.
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Bike and owner have vanished. I'll do it if and when they appear.
Pete
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No...and I would need them, but they have never worked on a V7III before. I like those guys but with my V7II it was a mixed bag. They were awesome to get the latest fuel map on PADS and make the bike run right, but when doing the first service they "double filled" the transmission and it puked everywhere on my commute, covered the exhaust, rear brake and tire. They cleaned the bike up and refilled the tranny but when the service manager handed me the half of bottle of tranny oil to take home it was the wrong spec, the wrong stuff. So I did it myself.
If I had the confidence to check and adjust valves on the V7III all I would need the dealership for is tire changes
Service Manager....was this David who no longer works there?
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Yes...
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Well, I know where I WON'T be going to get my Milano.....
Cycles of Jacksonville....tho se guys need help.
First their Milano was $11,600 OTD.....then when I called a month later, that sales rep was no longer with them, got a nice young lady who came back with $10,250.....much better.....came back a week later to offer $9999 cash and turns out the young lady, she is no longer with them...the new guy, Terrance, came back with $12,250...WTH?? I got ahold of another guy, Ross, who said the Milano was sold with a $200 deposit, woman was gonna pick it up today...Terrance said not the case....WTH?? Ross told me if the mysterious woman did not pick up the bike he would sell to me for $9999.....understand there is a $500 rebate from Piaggio, so it's $8890 plus taxes and fees...not like I am bending anyone over...called three times today, do we have a deal or not? Bike was still unclaimed..they said they would get back with me within 5 minutes...never heard back, when I called a 4th time, they were closed for the day...
Texted Terrance and told him offer withdrawn, I'm taking my $$ elsewhere...even if it has to be far far away...
Why must it be this hard for a cash buyer??
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Well, I know where I WON'T be going to get my Milano.....
Cycles of Jacksonville....tho se guys need help.
First their Milano was $11,600 OTD.....then when I called a month later, that sales rep was no longer with them, got a nice young lady who came back with $10,250.....much better.....came back a week later to offer $9999 cash and turns out the young lady, she is no longer with them...the new guy, Terrance, came back with $12,250...WTH?? I got ahold of another guy, Ross, who said the Milano was sold with a $200 deposit, woman was gonna pick it up today...Terrance said not the case....WTH?? Ross told me if the mysterious woman did not pick up the bike he would sell to me for $9999.....understand there is a $500 rebate from Piaggio, so it's $8890 plus taxes and fees...not like I am bending anyone over...called three times today, do we have a deal or not? Bike was still unclaimed..they said they would get back with me within 5 minutes...never heard back, when I called a 4th time, they were closed for the day...
Texted Terrance and told him offer withdrawn, I'm taking my $$ elsewhere...even if it has to be far far away...
Why must it be this hard for a cash buyer??
Who the hell is in charge there?
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That could be said of every bike I have owned. Some become monsters at the higher RPMs, and some become vibrating slugs, but all have a change in character.
I had a V65. Wasn't happy with it. The dealer said ride it closer to redline. I did and i LOVED it.
Some more pics of the Milano....
(https://thumb.ibb.co/hpy03A/Guzzi-Milano.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hpy03A)
(https://thumb.ibb.co/hAiNGV/Guzzi-Milano-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hAiNGV)
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So had a deal last Saturday from Eurocycle Las Vegas from a nice salesman Mike....sent them my license, waited for the paperwork to be emailed so I can print, sign, and send in payment. By Wednesday morning still had not received anything, do not think it was Mike's fault, but never saw anything in writing, so I let him know I was going in a different direction. Honestly, the thought of trans-shipping the bike across the country did not appeal to me, would rather pick up and haul myself. But it's a moot point now.
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So had a deal last Saturday from Eurocycle Las Vegas from a nice salesman Mike....sent them my license, waited for the paperwork to be emailed so I can print, sign, and send in payment. By Wednesday morning still had not received anything, do not think it was Mike's fault, but never saw anything in writing, so I let him know I was going in a different direction. Honestly, the thought of trans-shipping the bike across the country did not appeal to me, would rather pick up and haul myself. But it's a moot point now.
man, I would have run the other way by the 2nd rep change over...
hopefully this doesn't kill the fun with this motorcycle...cus it is fun!...well, the part that you ride on it is...
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There are leftover '16 V7s out there. Just the nature of the beast I guess. I could have bought a '17 Stone or Special at a discount, but decided that I really wanted the Carbon and every time I have bought a bike at a discount I have spent thousands more trying to make it the way I really wanted it. I decided I didn't want any plastic bits on my V7 and would have eaten up any savings when changing out all the plastic parts for carbon or aluminum.
Of course I could have waited another year and bought a leftover Carbon, but I might not be alive tomorrow and I have the money so...
I’ve heard a lot of negative comments about the blacked out Stone V7s which I agree with
So the new Milano I do like because of the blend of surfaces, it looks good.
I still love the look of the Silver finish on my BMW 1150.
Hopefully the Mandello mothership will get what people want on the floor so they don’t sit there
And maybe the new V85 with change that trend