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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Jerryd on October 18, 2018, 09:06:51 AM
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at one time or another I've probably owned just about every brand of motorcycle including numerous MG's since I started riding. But never a Harley. I thought it was about time I try to be little bit more open minded and give one a try. I've got my eye on a 2018 1200 Custom Sportster. Maybe is just the look, but what the heck, Any experience with the newer Sportster? Not interested in any other models.
Thanks
Jerry
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Yup, LOTS of sportster experience what do you want to know?
And when you say not interested in other models, do you mean other Sportster models (like the CX Roadster)?
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Yup, LOTS of sportster experience what do you want to know?
And when you say not interested in other models, do you mean other Sportster models (like the CX Roadster)?
Hey Kev,
I knew you would be the first to reply :smiley: I appreciate it. What I meant by other models, was those other then Sportster. I just like the look of the 2018 Custom. Just looking for impresssions of the bike in general
https://cdn.dealerspike.com/imglib/products/harley-showroom/models/1200-custom/black-tempest-fs8.png
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Well, here are some thoughts, take as you will.
The rubbermount 1200 Sportys remind me a lot of my old Jackal (Tonti Cali). They are similar in size/weight/power. Subtle differences include more torque at lower rpm, which is important since they don't wind out as far so they have to be shifted sooner. The Sporty is less nimble and takes a little bit more effort to steer, but that can change with seat and bars and tire choices to some extent, still it will never be quite as nimble as a Cali. Similarly it won't lean quite as far as a Tonti, though the Roadster models get close. The current 1200C has shorter rear shocks which limits lean angle (and comfort) somewhat, though they are easily changed for something better (and taller if desired).
The 1200C has the 4.5g tank which is good for a safe 150-170 miles depending on your mileage. Mine illuminates the low fuel light at about 3.6g and I usually get low 40's, though some claim to get up to 50+ mpg.
Starting in 2014 they upgraded the brakes so the single front doesn't feel bad (honestly it feels close to my earlier/smaller duals), but it's hard to beat the duals and USD forks on the Roadster. Of course the Roadster has the smaller tank.
Fueling is fine stock, maintenance is simple and easy. I continue to enjoy ours which is now the bike I've owned the longest in my lifetime recently surpassing my Jackal for that title.
Don't hesitate to ask if you have any other questions.
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What he said. I'm a big Sportster fan.
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Well, here are some thoughts, take as you will.
The rubbermount 1200 Sportys remind me a lot of my old Jackal (Tonti Cali). They are similar in size/weight/power. Subtle differences include more torque at lower rpm, which is important since they don't wind out as far so they have to be shifted sooner. The Sporty is less nimble and takes a little bit more effort to steer, but that can change with seat and bars and tire choices to some extent, still it will never be quite as nimble as a Cali. Similarly it won't lean quite as far as a Tonti, though the Roadster models get close. The current 1200C has shorter rear shocks which limits lean angle (and comfort) somewhat, though they are easily changed for something better (and taller if desired).
The 1200C has the 4.5g tank which is good for a safe 150-170 miles depending on your mileage. Mine illuminates the low fuel light at about 3.6g and I usually get low 40's, though some claim to get up to 50+ mpg.
Starting in 2014 they upgraded the brakes so the single front doesn't feel bad (honestly it feels close to my earlier/smaller duals), but it's hard to beat the duals and USD forks on the Roadster. Of course the Roadster has the smaller tank.
Fueling is fine stock, maintenance is simple and easy. I continue to enjoy ours which is now the bike I've owned the longest in my lifetime recently surpassing my Jackal for that title.
Don't hesitate to ask if you have any other questions.
Thanks Kev! Lots of good information! Also, seems like I read somewhere they are using fatter tires on the newer Sportster? Not sure where I read that. Had something to do with better ride and maybe handling?
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Thanks Kev! Lots of good information! Also, seems like I read somewhere they are using fatter tires on the newer Sportster? Not sure where I read that. Had something to do with better ride and maybe handling?
Depends on both your model and definition of newer.
Solidmounts (through 2003) used a 130 rear / 100 front
Rubbermounts (2004+) MOSTLY use a 150 rear / and the front could be 90, 100, 120, 130 depending on the model. The current 1200C in particular runs a 130 front.
To put these in perspective the original RK used a 130 front and rear - but these days is up to a 180 rear.
Anyway, PERSONALLY I find the larger bias-ply tires tend to slow lean/steering down a bit.
I went DOWN to a 140 rear to gain a little quicker break-over, but I went up to a 110 front for the meat/look and that probably increased steering effort and slowed it down slightly.
I don't know that any of the larger tires ever really helped handling though in some cases they probably helped tire life.
On the flip side a few of the models (SuperLow and the Roadster CX) use radials with shorter tire life, but even more stick.
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Sportsters are a Lot of fun, especially on backroads. You don't need to wind them up to get on the power and, they handle pretty darn well also.
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at one time or another I've probably owned just about every brand of motorcycle including numerous MG's since I started riding. But never a Harley. I thought it was about time I try to be little bit more open minded and give one a try. I've got my eye on a 2018 1200 Custom Sportster. Maybe is just the look, but what the heck, Any experience with the newer Sportster? Not interested in any other models.
Thanks
Jerry
I had a 2014 Custom Sportster. Fat 16 inch tires were stock, 4.5 gallon tank. Required replacement of the stock shocks and fork springs to make it rideable. After those changes, and the addition of a Harley Sundowner seat, the Custom was an 'all-day' ride. I didn't like the forward foot controls, but beyond that it was an enjoyable bike to ride: adequate handling, acceleration, braking and fuel economy.
I traded the Custom for a 2016 CX Roadster. Totally different ride. Great suspension, dual front disks. Riding position is more aggressive than the Custom, but works well for me. Shortcoming is the smaller tank, which limits the range to 120-130 miles between fill-ups.
I'm not a big Harley fan, but I do like Sportsters. The Rubbermounts display little or no vibration once they are moving. I find them comfortable to ride up to 80 mph. I don't feel stock Sportys have much oomph above that. A Sportster remains on my 'short list' of potential lightweight touring bikes, once I can't push the 700lb Cali Custom around. (Just wish Sportys were a little lighter).
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Thanks for all the good info guys!I had thought about another Griso, but I think I'll give this Sportster a try!
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Jerry, check this site out. http://xlforum.net/forums/index.php
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Thanks!
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Newer rubber mount Sportsters feel and ride very different than older iron and earlier Evo versions. Soon after we built his XR1000 (which was payment for us building another friend's 72 alloy XR750) my best friend replaced his low mile VRod with a nearly new XR1200. We were anxious to compare it to everything else Sportster and XR that we had owned and/or ridden because, in our opinion, that is the only true HD performance engine platform.
Neither of us enjoyed it at all- tall by comparison and completely unsportster-like with the engine movement doing its own thing separate from the frame & rider. Very disconnected vs the close direct feel of earlier bikes. He soon moved through it into a V7 Classic. By comparison, the V7 Classic felt like a closer relative to my V7 Sport than the rubber mounted sportster was to a solid mounted Sportster.
Part of the problem with Sportsters, especially used ones, is that they are typically cheap so they are usually carelessly flogged and/or neglected as many (often new) riders move through them into a "real" HD. Get one that is new or hasn't been beaten to death and it's a great machine. After numerous other sportster projects, I bought my 84 XLX 1000 with 2200 original miles about 10 yrs ago. With a brand new S&S carb, drag pipes and a solo seat, it's just plain fun and exactly what riding a motorcycle like that is supposed to be. To me, riding a new rubber mount just isn't a Sportster but it is a lot more compatible with many modern riders.
Whatever the model, a sportster is best employed as a sportster. They're a hot rod with a finite range and relevance of use. Stay within that relevance and all is good. Once you add a big tank and change things up, the fun is gone. Tour or ride two-up on a big bike.
Get a Sportster and have some fun.
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Newer rubber mount Sportsters feel and ride very different than older iron and earlier Evo versions. Soon after we built his XR1000 (which was payment for us building another friend's 72 alloy XR750) my best friend replaced his low mile VRod with a nearly new XR1200. We were anxious to compare it to everything else Sportster and XR that we had owned and/or ridden because, in our opinion, that is the only true HD performance engine platform.
Neither of us enjoyed it at all- tall by comparison and completely unsportster-like with the engine movement doing its own thing separate from the frame & rider. Very disconnected vs the close direct feel of earlier bikes. He soon moved through it into a V7 Classic. By comparison, the V7 Classic felt like a closer relative to my V7 Sport than the rubber mounted sportster was to a solid mounted Sportster.
Part of the problem with Sportsters, especially used ones, is that they are typically cheap so they are usually carelessly flogged and/or neglected as many (often new) riders move through them into a "real" HD. Get one that is new or hasn't been beaten to death and it's a great machine. After numerous other sportster projects, I bought my 84 XLX 1000 with 2200 original miles about 10 yrs ago. With a brand new S&S carb, drag pipes and a solo seat, it's just plain fun and exactly what riding a motorcycle like that is supposed to be. To me, riding a new rubber mount just isn't a Sportster but it is a lot more compatible with many modern riders.
Whatever the model, a sportster is best employed as a sportster. They're a hot rod with a finite range and relevance of use. Stay within that relevance and all is good. Once you add a big tank and change things up, the fun is gone. Tour or ride two-up on a big bike.
Get a Sportster and have some fun.
There's just about nothing I agree with on this post.
A Sportster hasn't been an actual hot rod or sport bike for about 30-40 years.
The solidmounts could be horrible as actual motorcycles except for limited uses.
The rubbermounts changed it enough to make it a decent jack-of-all trades. It retains enough of the feeling of the original to be fun, but is tamed enough to be useful.
You can ride it reasonably aggressively, you can tour on it, you can commute on it.
You can make it whatever you want.
I don't get the disconnected comment at all, there's nothing the felt disconnected about any of the ones I've owned or ridden, unless you mean that the engine vibration is not an issue anymore.
But then again maybe I ride a rubbermount and a V7 Stone instead of an Ironhead and a V7 Sport for a reason. Maybe I don't want the complete experience/feel of those antiques anyway.
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where you at in Fl.?? Palm-Bay HD wheels and deals and has lots of XL's
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There's just about nothing I agree with on this post.
A Sportster hasn't been an actual hot rod or sport bike for about 30-40 years.
The solidmounts could be horrible as actual motorcycles except for limited uses.
The rubbermounts changed it enough to make it a decent jack-of-all trades. It retains enough of the feeling of the original to be fun, but is tamed enough to be useful.
You can ride it reasonably aggressively, you can tour on it, you can commute on it.
You can make it whatever you want.
I don't get the disconnected comment at all, there's nothing the felt disconnected about any of the ones I've owned or ridden, unless you mean that the engine vibration is not an issue anymore.
But then again maybe I ride a rubbermount and a V7 Stone instead of an Ironhead and a V7 Sport for a reason. Maybe I don't want the complete experience/feel of those antiques anyway.
From personal experience, I can say that riding that XR1200 exactly as hard or harder down the same roads as my plain XLX, an well sorted XLCR and a retired full race engined XR1000 is a much different experience. The rubber mounted engine made it a much more neutral experience- probably safer and better handling, but taller, more isolated and less visceral than any of the others. It was more flawless on the rubber mounted bike, which appeals differently to different people. That's the way it felt to me.
Sounds like each of us knows what we like and what we don't. That's why almost all my bikes (except my 90 Evo Classic bagger) are 30-40 or more yrs old and yours aren't.
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From personal experience, I can say that riding that XR1200 exactly as hard or harder down the same roads as my plain XLX, an well sorted XLCR and a retired full race engined XR1000 is a much different experience. The rubber mounted engine made it a much more neutral experience- probably safer and better handling, but taller, more isolated and less visceral than any of the others. It was more flawless on the rubber mounted bike, which appeals differently to different people. That's the way it felt to me.
Sounds like each of us knows what we like and what we don't. That's why almost all my bikes (except my 90 Evo Classic bagger) are 30-40 or more yrs old and yours aren't.
True dat and fair enough.
I do get tempted by antique bikes again and again, then I remember what they are like and why I don't have any.
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I put a bunch of years on an EL and a FLH, solid mounted.
Absolutely love them. they have a feel that is unobtainable otherwise IMO.
I suppose that a person "gets it" or they don't.
I haven't been on a rubber mounted HD and can't imagine that you'd get the same feeling. Just a little too sanitary.
Though I am open to the possibility that I am wrong about that.
It's like Oreo vs Hydrox.
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I think there's an obnoxious quality to the "gets it" term. By definition it suggests ignorance not preference.
I put 40k miles on a solidmount Harley in 2 years. I "got it" enough to hate it.
Without rubbermounts or a counterbalancer it's genuinely faulted for no good reason.
What I love about the rubbermounts is they make and deliver power the same way, they still feel solid and planted like a freight train, but they literally don't do things like shake off bolts, crack oil tanks and licence plate frames, or shake light bulbs to premature deaths.
Maybe they were fine when running half dirt roads and half the speeds of modern highways or raced in limited venues.
Now that said, if you dig it still, cool, go for it. Some people actually LIKE running marathons or riding iron butts. That's not my gig... And I'm cool with that.
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What you think about "getting it" is not really important.
The first time I got on my panhead, it had a feeling that was unique and I knew it was for me.
I don't expect that everyone gets that same feeling.
I was away from the forum for over a year I expect. Now I remember why. Thanks Kev.
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What you think about "getting it" is not really important.
The first time I got on my panhead, it had a feeling that was unique and I knew it was for me.
I don't expect that everyone gets that same feeling.
I was away from the forum for over a year I expect. Now I remember why. Thanks Kev.
Cool, glad to help. Don't let the door hit you...
... No seriously, I have no problem with YOU liking something different. I do have a problem with terminology that suggests superiority based on preferences. I don't even assume you meant it that way and as such I meant you and mean you no animosity if you didn't.
Seriously like what you like... No problem.
Ride safe and all that too.
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I got a new 2018 Harley Heritage this year and look like the big brother to that sporter. I like it. It’s like a new gril friend you just want to ride it all the time. But the forward controls do drag a lot.Rudyr
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I got a new 2018 Harley Heritage this year and look like the big brother to that sporter. I like it. It�s like a new gril friend you just want to ride it all the time. But the forward controls do drag a lot.Rudyr
So, the bike has the forward controls? Or is the girlfriend in drag? :shocked:
Coffee, more coffee :laugh:
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I thought about a later model Sportster for a "sport touring" bike ....I sat on a friend's Sportster...I didn't really like the feel or the look of the bike and the rubber mounted engine sensation reminded me of why I sold the 97 Buell...A different seat, different shocks ,different fuel tank,a proper tuned two into one exhaust could make noticeable differences...for a not so small pile of money...I did like the fact they are reliable and just need oil changes...And no matter where you ride in the USA, if something breaks, help is just a few miles away...And with so many of them for sale, prices are reasonable..
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...good discussion in this one... yep, same for me, lots of bikes, Euros and Asians. Lots of happy miles. Figured I should own one Harley so second season with mostly local miles on my �17 Roadster, 14,000ish miles. Had to change the shocks (126lbs could not get preload low enough), raise the bars, change the seat, amongst other things but I�m as happy as can be expected. Other changes may continue, the availability of accessories home grown and aftermarket is amazing. Always over 50mpg, couple tanks over 60mpg. I carry 1/4 gallon of extra fuel so I�m not afraid to push the limit to over 160miles per fill, light on 120ish. Planned trip to Colorado next summer, should be fun, no hesitation with this bike.
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If you are looking at new bikes, you owe it to yourself to test ride a few different model bikes before making your decision.
Pick out a bike from the new softail lineup, and if you are strong enough to handle the Road King, take a new one for a ride as well.
Considering the bike you are interested in, the Low Rider or the Street Bob might be a good choice to check out for a test ride.
Then you will have an informed decision if the Sportster is the bike for you.
I personally like the look of the 48 special and need forward controls on all cruisers because of the low seat height and rider triangle, but what kept me from buying it at the time was the range with the peanut tank. I might pick up a used one to have and for my niece to ride when she visits. The V7 has her on tip toes.
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Change "gets it" to "preference" perhaps?
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Change "gets it" to "preference" perhaps?
Sure, no problems then.
And again, if there's no real mal-intent it's not a big deal either way. One just can't tell.
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Yup, LOTS of sportster experience what do you want to know?
And when you say not interested in other models, do you mean other Sportster models (like the CX Roadster)?
While you're at it. What year & models had rubber motor mounts, mag wheels, dual discs up front and non-low, standard appearance with mid-controls?
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While you're at it. What year & models had rubber motor mounts, mag wheels, dual discs up front and non-low, standard appearance with mid-controls?
4 come to mind:
- 2004 to 2008? XL1200R Roadster
- 2008-2012 XR1200
- 2016-current XL1200CX Roadster
- 2005-2007 XL883R Sportster
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While you're at it. What year & models had rubber motor mounts, mag wheels, dual discs up front and non-low, standard appearance with mid-controls?
Rubbermount = 2004+
Carburetors < 2007
EFI 2007+
Dual discs came on:
* 1200S (solidmount only though 03)
* 883R (available in solidmount and rubbermount models through ~06 ish in the US, much later overseas)
* 1200R 04-08 (08 only had 4.5g tank)
* XR1200 and XR1200X (had unique EFI system, some unique bodywork, USD forks etc) ~09-12ish
* 1200 CX Roadster 16-present (USD forks)
All of them had mags, BUT tubed spokes were an accessory on the S and R models.
All of those models had mid mounts standard (except the XR/XRX which had rearsets), but of course forwards were available as accessories.
All had tall suspensions and 3.3g tanks except as noted.
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I got a new 2018 Harley Heritage this year and look like the big brother to that sporter. I like it. It�s like a new gril friend you just want to ride it all the time. But the forward controls do drag a lot.Rudyr
The Heritage has floorboards, not forward controls.
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where you at in Fl.?? Palm-Bay HD wheels and deals and has lots of XL's
I guess right down the street from you Bodine :wink:
Its funny how this thread has taken on a life of its own, since I first posted it. I thought I might get a hard time from the Guzzi hardliners, but surprisingly many here also have Harley and seem to like them.
I did go to Space Coast Harley and purchased a 2019 Custom 1200 Sportster. I had only been there one other time for a visit when I was shopping at Bass Pro Shop which is on the same property. Space Coast Harley is quite a place. Supposedly the largest H-D store in the U.S., and yes they will deal. Under $10K out the door, 2 year warranty, and other extras, I couldn't go wrong.Now I've got to ride it and see for myself!
Thanks everyone for the input!
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I guess right down the street from you Bodine :wink:
Its funny how this thread has taken on a life of its own, since I first posted it. I thought I might get a hard time from the Guzzi hardliners, but surprisingly many here also have Harley and seem to like them.
I did go to Space Coast Harley and purchased a 2019 Custom 1200 Sportster. I had only been there one other time for a visit when I was shopping at Bass Pro Shop which is on the same property. Space Coast Harley is quite a place. Supposedly the largest H-D store in the U.S., and yes they will deal. Under $10K out the door, 2 year warranty, and other extras, I couldn't go wrong.Now I've got to ride it and see for myself!
Thanks everyone for the input!
SWEET! Enjoy. Don't hesitate to ask if you have any questions - service is dead simple.
And post pics at some point!
RIDE SAFE(ly),
Kev
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Well alrighty!!! Enjoy, and don't fall for the if we don't service it your warranty is void. Be very wary of the shops in Brevard. The only independent shop for HD's is in Melbourne. Southern V-Twin Cypress Ave. Wayne has been there since 1998 and only does HD's. Best of luck with it
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Well alrighty!!! Enjoy, and don't fall for the if we don't service it your warranty is void. Be very wary of the shops in Brevard. The only independent shop for HD's is in Melbourne. Southern V-Twin Cypress Ave. Wayne has been there since 1998 and only does HD's. Best of luck with it
Nah, they didn't say that at Space Coast. In fact, when I had the service orientation they even mentioned that some owners have preferred service shops. The only thing they would like is for me to bring it in at 1,000 miles for the first checkup, readjustments, etc. I know V-Twin, but there are others I've used here in town that are also very capable..
What Guzzi do you own?
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Even that "first service" pitch is BS, but it is the service you would most likely need a primary chain, belt, and/or clutch adjustment and it's a good time to see if anything is wonky.
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Even that "first service" pitch is BS, but it is the service you would most likely need a primary chain, belt, and/or clutch adjustment and it's a good time to see if anything is wonky.
Yeah, I know. But I had a couple of new Guzzi's that problems right out of the box, believe it or not :wink: So why take a chance,
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Yeah, I know. But I had a couple of new Guzzi's that problems right out of the box, believe it or not :wink: So why take a chance,
Say it wasn't so?!? [emoji28]
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I did go to Space Coast Harley and purchased a 2019 Custom 1200 Sportster. I had only been there one other time for a visit when I was shopping at Bass Pro Shop which is on the same property. Space Coast Harley is quite a place. Supposedly the largest H-D store in the U.S., and yes they will deal. Under $10K out the door, 2 year warranty, and other extras, I couldn't go wrong.Now I've got to ride it and see for myself!
Congrats! :gotpics: :gotpics: :gotpics:
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Congrats! :gotpics: :gotpics: :gotpics:
OK, picked it up last week and have had some time to put some miles on it and break it in.
Coming off 3 different Norge's, a Griso, and several CalVin, I'm finding this Sportster much different both good and bad.
-Its a very comfortable around the town bike. However, with my short 31" inseam, I 'm always catching my pants on the when coming to a stop. So, I've ordered a kit that moves the pegs forward about 3". It should take care of the problem.
-Compared to the Guzzi's it seems kind of industrial. Clunky shifting, and noisey motor. Although it doesn't vibrate much at idle. Easy to see with the mirrors.
-It pulls well. However, I'm still under 1,000 miles so I haven't wound it out yet.
-I miss the displays I'm used to with the Guzzi's. The sportster has just one large guage which is the speedometer. Everything else is displayed below it on a small digital display. Hard to see if you have mediocre vision or bright sun.
-No easy to remove seat for storage of my bike documents. I'm not sure a tank bag would look ok.
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Actually, for what I'm using it for, and the experience of trying a Harley, It will be fine
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Nice looking bike. I kinda agree about the gauges. Twin clocks with a display in between would be nice. Love the seat & spoked wheels.
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Yeah, twin clocks are my preference too. So it was ironic I had to add them to my last two Sportsters and my first Guzzi (Jackal).
Though at least the Harleys had easy plug-n-play kits.
Speaking of they may still on these new ones, I dunno. But I guess they have the tach function in the odo screen in you want so it's not all bad.
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Yeah, twin clocks are my preference too. So it was ironic I had to add them to my last two Sportsters and my first Guzzi (Jackal).
Though at least the Harleys had easy plug-n-play kits.
Speaking of they may still on these new ones, I dunno. But I guess they have the tach function in the odo screen in you want so it's not all bad.
The tach/gear indicator is displayed on the bottom digital display, but quite small. What is available is a $300 option that has a 4 inch analog Tachometer on top with a large back lit digital display underneath that has speed and all other options
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OK, picked it up last week and have had some time to put some miles on it and break it in.
Coming off 3 different Norge's, a Griso, and several CalVin, I'm finding this Sportster much different both good and bad.
-Its a very comfortable around the town bike. However, with my short 31" inseam, I 'm always catching my pants on the when coming to a stop. So, I've ordered a kit that moves the pegs forward about 3". It should take care of the problem.
-Compared to the Guzzi's it seems kind of industrial. Clunky shifting, and noisey motor. Although it doesn't vibrate much at idle. Easy to see with the mirrors.
-It pulls well. However, I'm still under 1,000 miles so I haven't wound it out yet.
-I miss the displays I'm used to with the Guzzi's. The sportster has just one large guage which is the speedometer. Everything else is displayed below it on a small digital display. Hard to see if you have mediocre vision or bright sun.
-No easy to remove seat for storage of my bike documents. I'm not sure a tank bag would look ok.
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Actually, for what I'm using it for, and the experience of trying a Harley, It will be fine
I got this to hold my paperwork on the V7III
https://www.twistedthrottle.com/stash-box-lockable-license-plate-storage-box-by-twisted-throttle
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I got this to hold my paperwork on the V7III
https://www.twistedthrottle.com/stash-box-lockable-license-plate-storage-box-by-twisted-throttle
Thanks!
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I had a 2008? 1200R. Pretty good power, handled great. It had really good brakes. Rear shocks just worthless from the factory. Really good gas mileage.
Factory seat was not even close to being the worst seat ever but it was not so good. A buddy has one of the last XR1200's . The bike gave me leg cramps but nice ride. I'm not an advocate of loud pipes . The factory XR1200 has potato's in the exhaust pipes. The exhaust strangles that bike.
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Well, I've had the new Sportster for a few weeks. Its a nice bike and I'm enjoying it. Unfortunately, I took a 2019 Softail Low Rider for a ride, and I might exchange my new Sportster for one!
The new Milwaukee-8 is a great motor. Pulls like a freight train, smooth, runs cooler, and less tractor like and clunky then the Sportster's 1200 Evolution. The new softail frame is much stiffer and lighter then the old dyna frames and much more comfortable on the highway. The bike also comes standard with a full size tach, cast aluminum wheels with tubeless tires, security/FOB system, better adjustable suspension, etc.
I still haven't neglected the Guzzi though :wink:
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Well, I've had the new Sportster for a few weeks. Its a nice bike and I'm enjoying it. Unfortunately, I took a 2019 Softail Low Rider for a ride, and I might exchange my new Sportster for one!
The new Milwaukee-8 is a great motor. Pulls like a freight train, smooth, runs cooler, and less tractor like and clunky then the Sportster's 1200 Evolution. The new softail frame is much stiffer and lighter then the old dyna frames and much more comfortable on the highway. The bike also comes standard with a full size tach, cast tubeless tires, security/FOB system, better adjustable suspension, etc.
I still haven't neglected the Guzzi though :wink:
Ha ha, yeah they really did a great job on the M8 and the new Softails.
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Well, I've had the new Sportster for a few weeks. Its a nice bike and I'm enjoying it. Unfortunately, I took a 2019 Softail Low Rider for a ride, and I might exchange my new Sportster for one!
The new Milwaukee-8 is a great motor. Pulls like a freight train, smooth, runs cooler, and less tractor like and clunky then the Sportster's 1200 Evolution. The new softail frame is much stiffer and lighter then the old dyna frames and much more comfortable on the highway. The bike also comes standard with a full size tach, cast aluminum wheels with tubeless tires, security/FOB system, better adjustable suspension, etc.
I still haven't neglected the Guzzi though :wink:
This is exactly the reason, most big harley dealers have quite a few newer, low mileage Sportys on their lot, that were traded in, for a "big twin".
A friend of mine who used to sell Harleys calls it "The most expensive test ride".
You see it over,and over again.
If I were looking for a nice ,low mileage sportster, I would check the big harley dealers first.
Rick.
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This is exactly the reason, most big harley dealers have quite a few newer, low mileage Sportys on their lot, that were traded in, for a "big twin".
A friend of mine who used to sell Harleys calls it "The most expensive test ride".
You see it over,and over again.
If I were looking for a nice ,low mileage sportster, I would check the big harley dealers first.
Rick.
Thing is Sportsters and BTs are different things.
Sportys are, for what it is worth, the small(ER) and light(ER) and narrow Harley chassis. The unitized motor and 5-speed is rugged and reliable and in some ways (belt replacement for instance) quick and easy to maintain. But the chassis and motor hasn't received any of the refinements that the BTs have received since the EVO.
I mean, the Sporty is still an EVO Sportster while the BT went through an entire birth, revision, and death of a platform (Twin Cams) and now has benefited from the development of the M8.
Big Twins are even larger, and heavier, and more expensive so often got better components (6-speed, better suspensions, better brakes, even Brembo these days). They are not unitized, so they contain separate motors and transmissions. Some maintenance procedures are easier like there's no primary chain adjustment (auto tensioner) and many have hydraulic clutches now, but other items like belt replacement is generally much more involved.
Thing is Sportsters ARE less expensive, so a lot of people buy them to get that Harley feeling then realize there are some trade offs and some differences. The motor itself is a difference. Sure they're all 45 degree, shared crankpin, knife/fork rod, air-cooled V-twins. But the 4 camshaft, unitized EVO has always been tuned for slightly higher rpm - generally being happiest in the 3-4k range instead of the more 2-3k ish range of a BT.
Between those little differences in feel and the much bigger differences of the chassis and these days even power output and refinement of the M8, a lot of people buy a Sportster and later decide they want a BT.
Still a decent number realize the Sporty is right for them.... or have both. :angel: :angel: :angel:
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I had a 2006 XL1200C (rubbermount) for several years, and loved it for what it was — a brawny backroads runabout. The rear shocks were unusable, but easily replaced with Progressive 412s, which were adequate for what I was using it for. The build quality and fit & finish were outstanding, and not a thing ever went wrong with it. It was not a particularly versatile machine, though, and I would consider some things — like touring — to be completely out of its range of suitability.
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Well, will you look at that. :grin: If I could do mid controls the Low Rider would be in my garage right now. As it stands I would have to modify any of the softails quite a bit to meet my wants in a softail Harley.
My first Harley was a '16 Road Glide Ultra, but I worked my way up to it by putting 55,000 miles on a Kawasaki Voyager XII and 60,000 miles on a Vulcan Voyager 1700.
Well, I've had the new Sportster for a few weeks. Its a nice bike and I'm enjoying it. Unfortunately, I took a 2019 Softail Low Rider for a ride, and I might exchange my new Sportster for one!
The new Milwaukee-8 is a great motor. Pulls like a freight train, smooth, runs cooler, and less tractor like and clunky then the Sportster's 1200 Evolution. The new softail frame is much stiffer and lighter then the old dyna frames and much more comfortable on the highway. The bike also comes standard with a full size tach, cast aluminum wheels with tubeless tires, security/FOB system, better adjustable suspension, etc.
I still haven't neglected the Guzzi though :wink:
If you are looking at new bikes, you owe it to yourself to test ride a few different model bikes before making your decision.
Pick out a bike from the new softail lineup, and if you are strong enough to handle the Road King, take a new one for a ride as well.
Considering the bike you are interested in, the Low Rider or the Street Bob might be a good choice to check out for a test ride.
Then you will have an informed decision if the Sportster is the bike for you.
I personally like the look of the 48 special and need forward controls on all cruisers because of the low seat height and rider triangle, but what kept me from buying it at the time was the range with the peanut tank. I might pick up a used one to have and for my niece to ride when she visits. The V7 has her on tip toes.
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Thing is Sportsters and BTs are different things.
Sportys are, for what it is worth, the small(ER) and light(ER) and narrow Harley chassis. The unitized motor and 5-speed is rugged and reliable and in some ways (belt replacement for instance) quick and easy to maintain. But the chassis and motor hasn't received any of the refinements that the BTs have received since the EVO.
I mean, the Sporty is still an EVO Sportster while the BT went through an entire birth, revision, and death of a platform (Twin Cams) and now has benefited from the development of the M8.
Big Twins are even larger, and heavier, and more expensive so often got better components (6-speed, better suspensions, better brakes, even Brembo these days). They are not unitized, so they contain separate motors and transmissions. Some maintenance procedures are easier like there's no primary chain adjustment (auto tensioner) and many have hydraulic clutches now, but other items like belt replacement is generally much more involved.
Thing is Sportsters ARE less expensive, so a lot of people buy them to get that Harley feeling then realize there are some trade offs and some differences. The motor itself is a difference. Sure they're all 45 degree, shared crankpin, knife/fork rod, air-cooled V-twins. But the 4 camshaft, unitized EVO has always been tuned for slightly higher rpm - generally being happiest in the 3-4k range instead of the more 2-3k ish range of a BT.
Between those little differences in feel and the much bigger differences of the chassis and these days even power output and refinement of the M8, a lot of people buy a Sportster and later decide they want a BT.
Still a decent number realize the Sporty is right for them.... or have both. :angel: :angel: :angel:
Right on Kev! The only thing left off was the oil cooler :wink:
The good thing is that the dealer I bought the Sportster from is willing to buy me out at exactly what I paid, and at my request include different bars and a windshield for the LowRider and is still under MSRP for the bike. They sell roughly 15-20 bikes a day and supposedly are the largest HD dealer in the U.S. Its a huge place!
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How times have changed.. :grin:
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I had a 2006 XL1200C (rubbermount) for several years, and loved it for what it was — a brawny backroads runabout. The rear shocks were unusable, but easily replaced with Progressive 412s, which were adequate for what I was using it for. The build quality and fit & finish were outstanding, and not a thing ever went wrong with it. It was not a particularly versatile machine, though, and I would consider some things — like touring — to be completely out of its range of suitability.
I'm gonna leave this right here:
https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/would-you-ride-the-iron-butt-rally-on-a-sportster
(https://revzilla.imgix.net/blog_content_image/image/33373/gallery/IBASporty5.jpg?w=273&dpr=1.25&auto=compress%2Cformat)
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Right on Kev! The only thing left off was the oil cooler :wink:
The good thing is that the dealer I bought the Sportster from is willing to buy me out at exactly what I paid, and at my request include different bars and a windshield for the LowRider and is still under MSRP for the bike. They sell roughly 15-20 bikes a day and supposedly are the largest HD dealer in the U.S. Its a huge place!
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(https://i.ibb.co/pKWPvy5/ihjlu06lmg-Lma7i-O-aykj8-Fn-THW-id7suvk-Nj5x0zd-K4-Zvj-Pak3-ODcuxs-H1-GDW8mhz-PLb-BYJ8-1-XJKk-Opfx-Ae8r1-Pav-Suj-Ir-Hwm-JUPglx-Sxl9-LQQcopa-LQh-w-V695-C-Fn-KY4fua8-Qn-Q-w600-h315-p-k.jpg) (https://ibb.co/pKWPvy5)
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(https://i.ibb.co/pKWPvy5/ihjlu06lmg-Lma7i-O-aykj8-Fn-THW-id7suvk-Nj5x0zd-K4-Zvj-Pak3-ODcuxs-H1-GDW8mhz-PLb-BYJ8-1-XJKk-Opfx-Ae8r1-Pav-Suj-Ir-Hwm-JUPglx-Sxl9-LQQcopa-LQh-w-V695-C-Fn-KY4fua8-Qn-Q-w600-h315-p-k.jpg) (https://ibb.co/pKWPvy5)
True, and not taking anything away from Brett, but he had dealer support and he didn't START out with a bike that already had over 150k miles on it (or over 200k the second time).
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Right on Kev! The only thing left off was the oil cooler :wink:
The good thing is that the dealer I bought the Sportster from is willing to buy me out at exactly what I paid, and at my request include different bars and a windshield for the LowRider and is still under MSRP for the bike. They sell roughly 15-20 bikes a day and supposedly are the largest HD dealer in the U.S. Its a huge place!
The bars were my favorite part of the low rider. Of course the dealer had them installed wrong and I had to get them to adjust them for the test ride. They had them pushed too far forward which put the grips in an awkward position. Once I got them rolled back to where buckhorn bars are supposed to be installed then they were very comfortable. They tried to orient them like mini ape hangers since that is all the rage along with tall T-bars.
What bars are you having them install?
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The bars were my favorite part of the low rider. Of course the dealer had them installed wrong and I had to get them to adjust them for the test ride. They had them pushed too far forward which put the grips in an awkward position. Once I got them rolled back to where buckhorn bars are supposed to be installed then they were very comfortable. They tried to orient them like mini ape hangers since that is all the rage along with tall T-bars.
What bars are you having them install?
The stock bars referred to as "Hollywood" bars, are much to wide for me. There are a lot of choices, but I'd like something narrower like the ones that came on the Sportster I'm trading back
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The stock bars referred to as "Hollywood" bars, are much to wide for me. There are a lot of choices, but I'd like something narrower like the ones that came on the Sportster I'm trading back
The Hollywood bars are on the slim. https://www.harley-davidson.com/us/en/motorcycles/2019/softail/softail-slim.html Scroll down to style and features.
The Low Rider has buckhorn handlebars