Author Topic: OHC Guzzi  (Read 8215 times)

Offline Seagondollar

  • Gaggle Hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 5840
  • Wake Forest, NC
  • Location: Wake Forest, NC (US)
OHC Guzzi
« on: March 16, 2015, 09:54:35 AM »
Ennio Carraro of the Guzzi club posted these photos on Facebook about the last open house at Mandello.  Of interest to me where these photos of a true OHC big block twin Guzzi.






2002 BMW 330i
1988 Toyota MR2
1974 V7 Sport
1989 Le Mans 1000 (V) - � morto

Offline Chuck in Indiana

  • Gaggle Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 29654
Re: OHC Guzzi
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2015, 09:57:11 AM »
It's a small block..  ;D Very kool, though.
Chuck in (Elwood) Indiana/sometimes SoCal
 
87 AeroLario
95 Skorpion tour
25 Triumph Speed 900
"Social media made y'all way too comfortable with disrespecting people and not getting punched in the face for it."

Mike Tyson

Offline Seagondollar

  • Gaggle Hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 5840
  • Wake Forest, NC
  • Location: Wake Forest, NC (US)
Re: OHC Guzzi
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2015, 10:02:11 AM »
Just heard that on FB.  Maybe there is hope for the small block V7 Sport in terms of HP!
2002 BMW 330i
1988 Toyota MR2
1974 V7 Sport
1989 Le Mans 1000 (V) - � morto

Offline rocker59

  • Global Moderator
  • Gaggle Hero
  • *
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 24296
  • "diplomatico di moto"
  • Location: Aux Arcs
Re: OHC Guzzi
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2015, 10:05:40 AM »
Love the belt routing.  Sure to keep the rubber properly warm.    :o
Michael T.
Aux Arcs de Akansea
2017 Triumph T100 Bonneville
"Do what you can, with what you have, where you are." - Theodore Roosevelt

Offline LowRyter

  • Gaggle Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • Posts: 16794
  • Location: Edmond OK
Re: OHC Guzzi
« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2015, 10:20:47 AM »
Love the belt routing.  Sure to keep the rubber properly warm.    :o


 ???
John L 
When life gets you down remember it's one down and the rest are up.  (1-N-23456)

Offline jas67

  • Gaggle Hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 5438
  • Location: Palmyra, PA
Re: OHC Guzzi
« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2015, 10:35:31 AM »
Love the belt routing.  Sure to keep the rubber properly warm.    :o

I was thinking they same thing.

Push rods work fine on (relatively) slow-revving V-twins (vs. high RPM inline fours), why add the additional maintenance items of cam belts if you don't have to?


2017 V7III Special
1977 Le Mans
1974 Eldorado
2017 Triumph Thruxton R
2013 Ducati Monster 796, 2013 848 Evo Corse SE, 1974 750GT, 1970 Mk3d 450 Desmo, 1966 Monza 250
1975 Moto Morini 3 1/2
2007 Vespa GTS250
2016 BMW R1200RS, 80 R100S, 76 R90S ,73 R75/5
76 Honda CB400F, 67 305 Super Hawk, 68 CL175

Offline rocker59

  • Global Moderator
  • Gaggle Hero
  • *
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 24296
  • "diplomatico di moto"
  • Location: Aux Arcs
Re: OHC Guzzi
« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2015, 10:50:19 AM »

 ???

The cam belt routing is really close to the exhaust header, which would surely shorten the belt's usable life.
Michael T.
Aux Arcs de Akansea
2017 Triumph T100 Bonneville
"Do what you can, with what you have, where you are." - Theodore Roosevelt

Offline Antietam Classic Cycle

  • Gaggle Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • Posts: 14758
  • Happily stuck in the past.
    • Antietam Classic Cycle
  • Location: Rohrersville, Maryland
Re: OHC Guzzi
« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2015, 12:00:21 PM »
I was thinking they same thing.

Push rods work fine on (relatively) slow-revving V-twins (vs. high RPM inline fours), why add the additional maintenance items of cam belts if you don't have to?

IIRC, that bike revs to ~ 10k rpm, doubt it could do that with pushrods.
Charlie

Offline Chuck in Indiana

  • Gaggle Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 29654
Re: OHC Guzzi
« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2015, 02:20:27 PM »
IIRC, that bike revs to ~ 10k rpm, doubt it could do that with pushrods.

If it could, it wouldn't for very long.. ;D
Chuck in (Elwood) Indiana/sometimes SoCal
 
87 AeroLario
95 Skorpion tour
25 Triumph Speed 900
"Social media made y'all way too comfortable with disrespecting people and not getting punched in the face for it."

Mike Tyson

Offline Bob Wegman

  • Gaggle Hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 1121
Re: OHC Guzzi
« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2015, 05:22:59 PM »
Harley 250 short stroke Sprints revved to 10,500 rpm.  Pushrod engine.
02 EV1100, 2010 V7 Classic, 80 Yamaha 650, 80 Yamaha SR500, 77 Yamaha XS650, 67 Honda 305 Superhawk, 66 Ducati 250 Monza(apart)
MGNOC # 20848
AMA# 548668

Offline Tom

  • Gaggle Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • Posts: 28778
Re: OHC Guzzi
« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2015, 05:58:26 PM »
So all the work that's done to it.  What are the benefits?  Top end?  Reliability?  More Torque?  'cuz I have something that's different?  I think the latter.  :-*
From the Deep Deep South out in left field.  There are no stupid questions.  There are however stupid people asking questions.  🤣, this includes me.  😉 Hawaii.

Offline Antietam Classic Cycle

  • Gaggle Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • Posts: 14758
  • Happily stuck in the past.
    • Antietam Classic Cycle
  • Location: Rohrersville, Maryland
Re: OHC Guzzi
« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2015, 06:24:44 PM »
So all the work that's done to it.  What are the benefits?  Top end?  Reliability?  More Torque?  'cuz I have something that's different?  I think the latter.  :-*

It's been posted here before and IIRC, the horsepower was around 100 and the whole bike was very light. I'd count those as a "benefits".  ;)
Charlie

Offline Guido Valvole

  • Gaggle Hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 1165
Re: OHC Guzzi
« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2015, 07:16:29 PM »
100 hp from a smallblock engine?!? Must be small horses… I *would* like to see the combustion chamber design as it looks to be SOHC with inline valves. Perhaps an improvement over Heron heads but not likely to produce 150-200 bhp/liter. Hey, even 50 or 60hp at the rear wheel and curb weight under 400 pounds could be major fun!
cr
V50 II
V50 Monza
Le Mans 1000 (IV)
Martinez, CA

Offline Tom

  • Gaggle Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • Posts: 28778
Re: OHC Guzzi
« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2015, 09:23:32 PM »
It's been posted here before and IIRC, the horsepower was around 100 and the whole bike was very light. I'd count those as a "benefits".  ;)

I'd count those as benefits too until the next repair is needed.  ;D
From the Deep Deep South out in left field.  There are no stupid questions.  There are however stupid people asking questions.  🤣, this includes me.  😉 Hawaii.

Offline Chuck in Indiana

  • Gaggle Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 29654
Re: OHC Guzzi
« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2015, 05:47:05 AM »
I'd count those as benefits too until the next repair is needed.  ;D

I'd imagine that the guy that is capable of building it isn't too concerned about that.. ;D :BEER:
Chuck in (Elwood) Indiana/sometimes SoCal
 
87 AeroLario
95 Skorpion tour
25 Triumph Speed 900
"Social media made y'all way too comfortable with disrespecting people and not getting punched in the face for it."

Mike Tyson

Offline rbond

  • Gosling
  • ***
  • Posts: 174
  • Location: Alexandria, La.
Re: OHC Guzzi
« Reply #15 on: March 17, 2015, 01:42:37 PM »
The only way that configuration would work, is to have the cams push directly down on the valves. There is no room for rockers, the ports would be 90 degrees to normal; exhaust coming out the side of the cylinder instead of the front, intakes going straight under the tank too. Still seems to be a Heron head, OHC setup does not improve anything to me. Just a new way to change belts more often.....
2012 MG V7C
1976 Suzuki GT500A
1978 Suzuki GS400C (long gone)
1973 Suzuki TS 100K (first new bike)
1969 Honda S90 (very first bike)

Offline Antietam Classic Cycle

  • Gaggle Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • Posts: 14758
  • Happily stuck in the past.
    • Antietam Classic Cycle
  • Location: Rohrersville, Maryland
Re: OHC Guzzi
« Reply #16 on: March 17, 2015, 02:06:49 PM »
The only way that configuration would work, is to have the cams push directly down on the valves. There is no room for rockers, the ports would be 90 degrees to normal; exhaust coming out the side of the cylinder instead of the front, intakes going straight under the tank too. Still seems to be a Heron head, OHC setup does not improve anything to me. Just a new way to change belts more often.....

If the cam lobes were ground conical (not as outlandish as it sounds, the Aprilia Pegaso Cube had cams with conical lobes), then there could be a narrow valve angle.

In any case, I'm only relaying information I remember reading about it here on Wildguzzi in the past. Maybe someone has more information about it. I searched the web and came up empty.
Charlie

 

***Wildguzzi Official Logo High Quality 5 Color Window Decals Back In Stock***
Shipping in USA Only. Awesome quality. Back by popular demand. All proceeds go back into the forum.
Best quality vinyl available today. Easy application.
Advertise Here