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The 1400 gear oil spec is interesting. It's like a Loop 4spd. GL4 for the transmission (the part you shift) and GL5 for the rear end.Tom
There is only one reason manufacturers mention brands of oil.They get paid to do so.
I was thinking that something got lost in the translation. "Transmission" refers to the shaft drive pumpkin, or does it ?
Peraz----You're all wet. Sorry. You're adding nothing but BS. SG rating is important for legacy motorcycles- that's the standard with high zinc levels (ZDDP). It was obsolete in late model cars with low friction gas mileage engines and catalytic converters but the oil offers less internal protection. The JAS MA2 is likewise motorcycle specific standard.Having said all that, I'm not here to debate which standards are good or bad. I was just calling your bluff if you can tell us what $22 oil meets the weight and standards specified by the manufacturer. I am not here to debate if the standards are correct or not.I am not saying the cheaper oil won't work and provide no problems but that wasn't the question. I know riders that have been using Rotella for years and it might be fine. But I am not taking the risk my Ducati and want SG/MA2 for my other bikes. If you can get 15-50 for $22, let's hear it. Until then, I am done with the conversation.
Agreed. How do you expect us to save money if you won't tell us what brand and where to buy the lower cost oil that is "just as good"!!!So far you are just blowing smoke!!Dan
Any comment on the question about which is more important API CCMC G-4 rating or weight?
Both are important . Dusty
So which one is more important? The manual as posted states:SAE 10W-60. As an alternative for recommended oils, top-branded oils that meet or exceed the requirement of CCMC G-4 SG specification can be used.So if SAE 10W-60 is not avalaible and if an alternative is to be used as long as it meet or exceeds CCMC G-4 rating per the manual its okay to use. The manual makes no mention of what weight the "alternate" oil is to be only that it meets a rating. Oils that meet or exceed CCMC G-4 ratings come in different weights. Also do modern Guzzi engine with roller lifters and caytalic converters require the high zinc content as are in SG rated oils?
Alternate brands , not alternate weights . Dusty
Anything other than 10-60 is only in a pinch. Using other than 10-60 regularly can and most likely will void the warranty.YMMV
I read it as alternate brands-not weights.I saw a tech bulletin dated quite a while ago to dealers informing them that the 1100 motors like my Jackal were now recommended for 10-60 as a supersede to the old recommendation. I did NOT pay attention to all the years listed as only 2001 mattered to me.Dusty, I'm not sure what you meant with the comments directed to me.
How can using an oil that is acceptable by the manufacture going to void a warranty? Guzzi flat out states oils that meet or exceed CCMC G-4 ratings are acceptable.
Go back and read what I wrote.
To save the trouble Guzzi says to use 10-60. Other viscosity oils can meet or exceed that spec except in viscosity. You must use the proper viscosity as well as the proper type. 10-50 will not work as well as 10-60 in high heat situations. The 10-50 will not maintain viscosity.
As for wet clutches they get gummed up by using "energy conserving" oils which contain added molybdenum to make up for reduced zddp. If the container has the energy conserving "starburst" on the label don't use it with a wet clutch. This is usually on oils of 10-30 or thinner.
Most bikes with wet clutches require 10-40 and usually they don't have the added moly. Read the labels.
Go back and read what I wrote. To save the trouble Guzzi says to use 10-60. Other viscosity oils can meet or exceed that spec except in viscosity. You must use the proper viscosity as well as the proper type. 10-50 will not work as well as 10-60 in high heat situations. The 10-50 will not maintain viscosity.
He already knows that. Should be easy by now to spot someone who's talking BS just to "keep the party going" .....Lannis
Quote from: Perazzimx14 on Today at 11:11:31 AMHow can using an oil that is acceptable by the manufacture going to void a warranty? Guzzi flat out states oils that meet or exceed CCMC G-4 ratings are acceptable.Go back and read what I wrote.To save the trouble Guzzi says to use 10-60. Other viscosity oils can meet or exceed that spec except in viscosity. You must use the proper viscosity as well as the proper type. 10-50 will not work as well as 10-60 in high heat situations. The 10-50 will not maintain viscosity.As for wet clutches they get gummed up by using "energy conserving" oils which contain added molybdenum to make up for reduced zddp. If the container has the energy conserving "starburst" on the label don't use it with a wet clutch. This is usually on oils of 10-30 or thinner.Most bikes with wet clutches require 10-40 and usually they don't have the added moly. Read the labels.
I use Fuchs Silkolene Pro 10W-60 with Liqui Moly Ceratec additive for my 2006 Breva 750. Way better than anything else...
