European vs. Japanese vehicle reliability

[Cdn850T5NT]

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I did test drive a new Alfa Giulia TI, and was fairly impressed.  I might consider one.

PhilB

I KNOW I'm a dinosaur when I say this... and I KNOW that the new Alfa has a ZF8 - excellent conventional A/T - but... an Alfa without a manual 'box?????

Having said this... I have a '17 Mazda6 with a 6MT.  It likely will be my last MT car...  Still gives me joy, though.  And in daily driving (just relatively sane, easy-going driving) it actually is a bit slower than if it were an automatic.

[twowheeladdict]

So this thread started with reliability between Japanese and European vehicles. 

We all know what the statistical researchers say about that.

Of course there has always been some blending of technologies among the various manufacturers, like Brembo brakes emerging as the most common name in performance braking for the masses.  Bosch electronics, etc.

Then there were partnerships where some Japanese cars were rebadged cars from other manufacturers, and some American cars were rebadged cars, etc.

The latest is the Toyota Supra / BMW Z4.  Is it Japanese?  Is it European?  A little of both?  The best of both, or the worst of both?

[LowRyter]

I KNOW I'm a dinosaur when I say this... and I KNOW that the new Alfa has a ZF8 - excellent conventional A/T - but... an Alfa without a manual 'box?????

Having said this... I have a '17 Mazda6 with a 6MT.  It likely will be my last MT car...  Still gives me joy, though.  And in daily driving (just relatively sane, easy-going driving) it actually is a bit slower than if it were an automatic.

I've got a '14 Accord with 6MT.  I understand that Honda has finally dropped the manual in the Accord this year.  Not only are Honda sticks fun to drive (a poor man's Beemer) but they were also cheap.  The dealers drop the price to get them off their lots.  Easily 15% off retail and they just throw in all that dealer installed ProPac (i.e., fru fru) that they tart up the car to build in more profit. 

[Cdn850T5NT]

I've got a '14 Accord with 6MT.  I understand that Honda has finally dropped the manual in the Accord this year.  Not only are Honda sticks fun to drive (a poor man's Beemer) but they were also cheap.  The dealers drop the price to get them off their lots.  Easily 15% off retail and they just throw in all that dealer installed ProPac (i.e., fru fru) that they tart up the car to build in more profit.

100% on the Dealer wanting to deal.  The car I got had delivery miles on it... 7 km, when I test drove it.  When I came back 2 mos. later, it had 12km... the 5 km being MY miles. Fantastic deal!

[bad Chad]

Answer, the Latest Supra has no relation to Supra of the past, it is esentially a BWM.  Dig deeper if you disagree.

[twowheeladdict]

Answer, the Latest Supra has no relation to Supra of the past, it is esentially a BWM.  Dig deeper if you disagree.

Totally BMW with Toyota badging?  What happened to Toyota and sport cars?  The 86 is 100 percent Subaru BRZ. 

[bad Chad]

Right.  I’m thinking your first sentence was intended to end with a period rather than a question mark.

[Antietam Classic Cycle]

https://www.caranddriver.com/toyota/supra
Pay no mind to the fact that the 2021 Toyota Supra shares much of its chassis and powertrains with the BMW Z4—it offers its own distinct personality and is an utter blast to drive.

[PhilB]

I KNOW I'm a dinosaur when I say this... and I KNOW that the new Alfa has a ZF8 - excellent conventional A/T - but... an Alfa without a manual 'box?????

Having said this... I have a '17 Mazda6 with a 6MT.  It likely will be my last MT car...  Still gives me joy, though.  And in daily driving (just relatively sane, easy-going driving) it actually is a bit slower than if it were an automatic.

I fully agree.  I'm driving a Mini-Cooper S now, with a 6-spd stick.  I have rarely owned any automatics, and never liked them.  I was very disappointed when Alfa decided not to offer this with a manual.  But the paddleshift works pretty well, and I'm considering giving it a chance.

PhilB

[LowRyter]

https://www.caranddriver.com/toyota/supra
Pay no mind to the fact that the 2021 Toyota Supra shares much of its chassis and powertrains with the BMW Z4—it offers its own distinct personality and is an utter blast to drive.

I saw one the other day.  I don't like the looks, but man, the sound, wow.  And that transmission was shifting like an F1 car. 

Bet it's fast but you can't fix ugly.